Thread 717101364

I killeded Diablo :)

this game is almost 30 years old and is still kino

>zero combat skills, pure normal attack spam for the entire game
it's genuinely a shit game carried by atmosphere alone

>>717101718
>attack spam for the entire game
you just described every single arpg.

>>717101718
There is just something about it. Your brain gets used to the simplicity. For melee characters it becomes more about positioning, use of terrain, and picking off enemies. Also the loot system is simple in a good way. Finding uniques and magic rings/ammies is always fun, and finding a high tier magic base is awesome too.

the atmosphere can indeed sustain any game if it's good enough. Diablo vibes are immaculate.

>>717101718
There's nothing wrong with one attack and attack button.

I SENSE A SOUL IN SEARCH OF ANSWERS

>>717101364 (OP)
I've been playing the PS1 version on my phone while at work. Shit's uber comfy

>>717102842
I hate the red succubus sluts

am I ever gonna replace this? The resist all is insane.

>>717103824
No.

>turn corner
>like 6 black death

>>717103824
No. Thats as good as it gets for Warrior.

Have I ever told you how much I hate those dog things that spit acid and leave acid puddles behind when they die?
I hate them a lot.

>>717105254
I hate them too

>In D1 Warrior is considered the overall strongest class, dealing the most damage and having the highest tankiness, but does struggle somewhat vs kiting enemies
Are there any other ARPGs where a melee class is the strongest?

>>717102273
it's item system is way better than what they did with d2 and every arpg subsequently copied

>>717105658
but warrior is the weakest class in d1?
surgery is strongest by far, then rogue just because she can basically become a mini sorcerer and use bow against triple immunes. warrior had to use telekill techniques, wall sliding, and lots of bullshit chasing down stuff.

warrior is like challenge run

>>717105834
Warrior absolutely chews through melee enemies though and doesn't have to worry about an errant step getting them killed.

I wish halls of torment devs made a diablolike.

>>717106624
They have the graphical style down, but yeah it is easier to just make a VS clone for more money.

>>717106624
>I wish the guys who made a diablolike would make a diablolike
Huh?

>>717102842
pretty sure you can run devilutionx on a phone

>>717106410
just spam chain lightning and the whole screen dies
in early game rogue is probably best since ranged attack that doesn't cost mana.

warrior kind of struggled actually since it's not too higher levels the about calculations really kick in and you can afford to wear lower ac gear with good fixes.

Diablo 1 is really cool like that, warriors optionally end up in rags of the whale and emerald bucklers, the best bow is a shortbow of swiftness for rogue.
I enjoy the trope of equipment becoming less important once people levels are high enough

>>717101718
>Play as Warrior
>Sword and Board with firewall
>Bow with +15 all stats on floor 10
>Staff of Chain lightning on floor 12

Best of all worlds

>>717105834
Rogue is alright. The problem is she never really has a point where she excels at anything. You have to spread your points way too thin. Still a totally playable class, but I wish she had just a bit more utility.

>>717106713
They were smart with it but I'm sure a diablolike by them would also make money if it was even halfway decent.

>>717106882
You know what I mean.

>>717107240
you wind up with all stats maxed.
really In d1 sorcerer is like three times stronger than anyone else, to the point it became fashionable to play them 'beyond naked' trying to get the most cursed equipment possible. rogue like I said it's mainly good because she doesn't get the cast speed penalty of warrior and so she can transition into a mini-mage mid game to carry her through nm catacombs and such.
at the end of the day it's more about playing the classes for fun. you play warrior to get good at the movement techniques.
the fact that you can get 100% block and get stuck in block lock is like an added hazard for bad warrior play

>>717107959
My on criticism of D1 is that sword and board is just too strong of a combo, even with the chance of block lock. I wish they had done something like give axes native cleave attacks just to mix things up.

>>717108273
yeah, there is a unique 2h axe hellslayer that does bonus damage vs demons that some people make roleplay builds around. but being a warrior with out a shield is really dangerous in higher difficulties. these kinds of things were popular.
another is getting -80% light radius since enemy agro is based on that, then using town portals to illuminate the dungeon floor (but not enemies) and scrolls of infravision to see the enemies then stealthing down to stack and killing only him.

>>717108872
I was using a maul until like dungeon level 13 or 14 and then the blood knights or whatever just did so much damage I had to swap to a sword + shield. Even though I 2 shot them with the maul the amount of damage you take is crazy.

>>717101718
Noooo where is my hecking rolls and stamina bar??

>>717101364 (OP)
>killeded
ESL.

>Book of Yog (PC idle gacha thing nobody has heard of) devs want to eventually make a diablo-like soon
mite b cool? obligatory all-female character/classes game in the genre

best thread on /v/

Diablo 1 is something I comeback to because I enjoy the atmosphere.
Even when games try to replicate it, something is missing. Even D2 felt like it was lacking something in aesthetic that made it less tense.
Also, for some reason, whacking stuff with the warrior feels good, and trying to figure out the logistics of getting my sword in their face without being gunned down can be fun.
The last run I had, I opened a door to about 12 succubus that might as well have had automatic rifles because I was drowned in whatever bullshit magic they were firing. It took around 4 deaths, and several towns portal scrolls, just to figure out how to slowly pick them off without dying.

>>717109557
It being one big dungeon that goes deeper and deeper really helps. Even though the different layers have different tilesets, it just creates the feeling of traveling further and further where you do not belong as things get more twisted. In D2 you're in a gothic horror adventure, then a desert adventure, then jungle adventure, etc.

>>717109745
>The succubus death pose where they are face down ass up

>>717109729
yeah I always felt the first bit of d2 was very lacklustre. D1 you start off straight into the horror of the ruined church. D2 you're fagging around in a grassy field killing porcupines

>>717101364 (OP)
I couldn't tell ya always get too spooked & start having nightmares before I reach end zones

THE SANCTITY OF THIS PLACE HAS BEEN FOULED.

>>717111735
I think D3 is better than D4?

>>717111769
d3 was bad enough that I never tried d4

>>717101718
>carried by atmosphere alone

soo...the most important part ?

>>717111735
D3 got a lot better after the expansion, if that counts.

>>717111735
The templar and monk class is kino
D1>D3>D2>>>>D4
and i'm 100% serious about it

>>717111735
Huh? What do you mean? Diablo stopped after LoD

Opinions on Hellfire?

>>717101364 (OP)
Gj anon

>>717113040
it's trash but amusing no reason not to try it, but then you uninstall and revert to regular d1

Regardless of your opinions on either game, you have to commend just how much BIGGER D2 was. From gear, enemies, zones and playable classes like seriously its insane how much is packed. I miss when sequels were like this.

>>717113536
d2 is better overall, but it downgraded some things, and honestly items are one of them. rares just make magic items redundant there is no reason to have that intermediary tier. I also hate the idea of build enabling items and cross character storage, it removes the purity of just going into the dungeon and upgrading as you go

>>717113536
i hate the jungle level so much it's unreal and the sand level and the hell level...

>>717114498
I like the hell level it's just way too short

Grats on killing Diablo. He's tough. If you never played it, try Torchlight 1. It's a Diablo 1 style inverted Spire, and you have a pet that you can transform into monster via fish. It's cool.

>>717113536
>not playing with Hellfire
>not playing Barbarian chad.

>>717111735
the only thing D3 did right was have each class being able to be each gender imagine if diablo 2 let you pick female warriors the population of warriors would triple overnight

>>717115279
>monk bard & barbarian

WHAT!?

>>717113536
Also, Diablo 2 was smaller than that before Lord of Destruction. A lot of Quality of life and basic stuff were added with Lord of Destruction.
2 classes, Charms, Jewels, Runes, Etheral Items, double the Stash size, big resolution change.

Playing through with Devolution, and going through the Hellfire expansion. I neve rplayed Hellfire back in the day because everyone shit on it, and still does to this day. I can tell why. Its so different than the rest of the game and was obviously halfassed and made by different people, but its still fun. Hellfire barbarian is pretty fun. Give me an actual excuse to use 2 handed weapons. In the base game 2 handed was suicide.

>>717115279
Hellfire is a garbage expansion.

>>717106905
What is this? Some mod for D1?
Besides that the PS1 version actually has shortcut commands built into the game which is breddy fuggen neato. Very few games back then used shit like R1+(button) to map commands

Also I will never play Diablo 3 or 4 EVER

>>717101364 (OP)
Unfortunately d3 and d4 don't come even close.
How could the game turned into an actual rpg?
The gameplay shouldnt be as depended on random loot runs. Would a diablo crpg or jrpg work?

>>717115795
Hellfire "OFFICIALLY" added Monk. But they left in the code the Bard and Barbarian classes, and you can access them by just toggling a simple thing in a notepad file.
Toggling the hidden stuff also add hidden quests.

Monk main gimmick is that they can have Staves, Dex boost melee damage and they can search via a special skill making items highlighted
https://diablo.fandom.com/wiki/Monk_(Hellfire)

Bard can dualwield but have the Ranger melee speed, so they suck.
https://diablo.fandom.com/wiki/Bard

Barbarian chads can one hand equip two handed items and have increased range with two handed weapons, but they have -50 Magic, so no spells.
https://diablo.fandom.com/wiki/Barbarian_(Hellfire)

>>717116178
Moo.

>>717102273
>>717101718
Is that it? Simplicity and atmosphere? It's much more, really. It's basically the only true dark fantasy rpg we have. Art direction is stellar. Monster design is good, albeit 90s. Skills are serviceable. Characters are as iconic as it gets.

>>717109326
>all-female character/classes
Pass.
I like sexy bitches but the complete absence of male characters to play as just screams trannoid to me.

>>717116330
I beat the game as bard. At some point you become a subpar mage. Warrior is likely the worst class late game.

>>717116663
chasing Succubuses as Warrior is the worst feeling ever

>>717113006
Truth.

>>717116493
Bro. Stop putting tranny into everything. The flavor of the month passed.

>>717109745
>>717116898

>>717116898
It is, although one could imagine them being needy hoes that need a sword, but are too afraid to beg for it, so they run.

Which games like Diablo are actually challenging before getting to endgame stuff, on a first playthrough?

>buy kickass weapon from wirt for tons of gold
>1 dungeon floor later griswald has something better

>>717117526
Disfigured trans enemies... No one would ever dare.

>>717117812
Challenging? ARPGs are loot piniatas games, so not a ton. Path of Exile 2 is pretty rough to play right now.
Grim Dawn is fairly difficult depending on your build.

Book of Demon is a Card based ARPG? that is supposed to be hard
https://store.steampowered.com/app/449960/Book_of_Demons/

I would recommend Grim Dawn if you want a step up in difficulty

>>717118185
Futa girls are not trans brah.

>>717118262
Thanks, looks great. I'll give that a shot.

>>717116312
it's a reverse engineered version that works on modern systems and has been ported to consoles

>>717118402
It's a spiritual sequel to Titan Quest. The whole promise of Titan Quest / Grim Dawn, is that you start with no class, then you choose one, and then a little bit later you choose a second one. You get access to the skills of both class, allowing you to build weird stuff. For example my last Grim Dawn run, I played a Oathkeeper Necromancer aka Opressor making it a Dark Paladin type who ressurect zombies and give them a ton of Auras.
New DLC is coming soon adding a Berserker class who has Druid type abilities like becoming a Werewolf.

>>717117526
Disfigured trans enemies... No one would ever dare.

Do you find better items on nightmare and hell?

>>717118262
>Grim Dawn is fairly difficult depending on your build.
When does this difficulty start? I played it with a random build and had little to no difficulty so far. Beat the game and the dlc.

>>717118804
Could've been implemented better. Just adding two classes into one is bit boring. I miss synergies there. Tq2 seems dissapointing so far.

>>717118841
Not in Diablo 1 no. It was meant for Multiplayer games
https://diablo.fandom.com/wiki/Difficulty#Nightmare

>>717118896
It's a step up from Diablo 2 in difficulty. It's not hard hard, but it's harder.

>>717119010
So there is no reason to do nightmare or hell after you beat the game?

>>717118841
Iirc it depends on the item. Use the tables that are online, some items spawn rather act 3 normal while for others you have to search in act 1 hell. Look the items or fixes you want up, and farm the respective enemies back and forth. I was looking for a certain item and didn't find it until hell. Finally I looked it up and had to do nihlatak runs on nightmare. Got the item in less than 30 minutes.

>>717119115
Not really no. Diablo 2 is where they made difficulty stuff give you more stuff

>>717119067
I don't remember diablo anymore. AFAIK it was easy af, except few bosses or special enemies. Patch dependant, too.

>>717116312
The changes from Diablo 2 to Diablo 3 perfectly encapsulate what happened to vidya in general from ~2008 onward.
Everything got dumbed down and oversimplified so that even the dumbest dumbfuck could play and beat the game. Everyone is a winner, everyone gets to see the end credits no matter how shit you are at videogames. No more wacky experimentation, just sterilized copypasting of existing formulas to guarantee the most profits.

What's the best way to play D1 coop with a fren on modern hardware without give blizzard money? I see DevilutionX mentioned above

>>717118812
Futanari, not troons.

>>717109729
Diablo 2 may not match the subtle dread of Diablo 1, but it has atmosphere galore as well.
Both the desert and the jungle ruins evoke quite a bit of that lovecraftian horror feel as well...
Ancient ruins, defiled temples, unstoppable encroaching doom...

>>717119513
Yeah just buy or pirate the GoG version and install devilutionx

>>717107240
You don't need to spread your points, you can just go all bow and not use magic. She fires fast enough that a lot just die as long as you don't awaken too many foes.

>>717119848
No network config fuckery required?

>>717114335
>rares just make magic items redundant there is no reason to have that intermediary tier.
Based take.

>>717116312
Do yourself a favor and try DevilutionX. The QoL features, like stash and running in town really improve the experience. Not to mention the very tastefully done touchscreen controls and UI.
It's the one game app I have on my phone... Excluding the emulator apps.

>>717114335
>cross character storage
that didn't exist without d2r or mods

>>717120731
you could transfer stuff between characters though, i guess it was private games that bnet held open? its been a while

>>717101718
You couldn't beat it.

>>717121348
you could drop or have someone hold it while you swapped characters but online games also allowed trade so complaining about being able to transfer items to your other characters is a bit silly

wasn't possible in singleplayer without mods or ancient tools that allowed save editing

>>717119409
>Everything got dumbed down and oversimplified
Everything except for the economy was more complex in diablo 3. Which is really saying something because diablo 3 is an absolute retard game.

>>717121568
>gold as trade currency
>itemization greatly simplified
>is more complex than the barter economy of d2
what

>>717121186
Colors? in my grimdark game? NOOOOOOOOO

>>717101718
scrub alert

>>717115847
Did jewels EVER serve a purpose? Everyone just used runes

I felt jealous about OP killing Diablo so I went ahead and killed him, too. (in Diablo II)

Killing the Vizier of Chaos was a real bitch, since he's fire-immune and I'm a Fire Druid.

>>717122704
Runes do specific things depending on what you slot them into. Jewels can give you stats that you couldn't get socketed otherwise in that slot. High rolled jewels can also be quite powerful.

>>717111769
Are you asking or telling?

>>717113536
>how much BIGGER D2 was
For me, that was the problem. Pointless sprawling maps.

>>717124015
I am leaning towards D3 being better but I am also not too sure.

Hey guys can I join

>>717126136
i always liked d3 man its such a fun game

>>717107240
huh. i went pure bow and just put every point into dex. i had a really easy time and very anticlimactically stunlocked diablo to death

>arcane sanctuary
>river of flames
peak areas in diablo for me

>>717127564
Same, Also loved the first area in Act 5 trying to keep those NPC barbs alive and the highlands area just before the cathedral in Act 1 when you finally feel a bit powerful and got some cool spells.

Playing Diablo 1 barbarian is so much fun. You can run into hordes like a wreckingball and just start swinging your twohanded weapons like a madman.

thread theme:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Uxg5W5wKvLE

>>717101718
Zoom zoom

The atmosphere hard carries this game. Fuck it's cozy. God tier Halloween game.

>>717126136
ultra contrarian take coming through
I liked pre reaper of souls D3 more
Also endlessly running rifts is FUCKING BORING

>>717119409
Their excuse? lol diablo 2 skill tree and stats were simple and solved

so... do your job and have more stats? You don't even have to build a system, just keep copying dnd. And then there's the full retard passive tree that POE has, god i hate POE so fucking much it's unreal

i never played diablo and i wanted to get into it
how do you guys feel about playing this online "ladder" thing for your first playthrough?

>>717126136
they turned the skeleton king from something legitimately creepy in D1, to a goofy WOW raid boss

>>717128809
I dont know what that is, but if you are playing D1 online you are going to get alot of shitty people and bots/hackers. You are best to just play it alone for your first play through to get the true feel of being hopelessly alone against the forces of hell.

Also might as well use DevilutionX. It runs on just about anything.
>DevilutionX is a port of Diablo and Hellfire that strives to make it simple to run the game while providing engine improvements, bugfixes, and some optional quality of life features.

https://devilutionx.com/

>>717129150
D1 has no ladder
>>717128809
Play ladder/story mode, the characters will eventually turn into regular characters when the ladder ends but you'll have exclusive looking loot

>>717121348
>you could transfer stuff between characters though
you could do that in d1 too

>>717128017
With DevolutionX you can actually just play vanilla Diablo 1 but with the new classes

>>717106624
Me too. HoT is cool but like most survivorslop is gets extremely boring once you know how it works. Making good builds is especially annoying in HoT because you have to write down a list of shitty upgrades to avoid.

Why is everyone playing POE instead of POE2?

POEtards only play live service trash

>>717130219
PoE 1 is still going to be getting active development. It is the game that got the most recent big update.
PoE2 has a lot of issues that need to get solved and is not finished yet.

PoE2 will get a huge burst of players when 0.3 launches this month.

>>717129732
not solo online, you needed to use a program

>>717118896
If your build is not dogshit the difficulty starts after you beat ultimate and choose a sufficiently high SR/crucible level, or try to fight a celestial without good gear. In other words, the game is kinda easy. I'm hoping the new expansion adds some interest/challenge.

>>717114335
Magic Items are literally some of the most overpowered items in D2, you don't know shit.

>>717130217
HoT's upgrade system is definitely one of the weaker ones among VS likes. Once you get high level on a run you start running out of all the good upgrades and only have the shitty ones left.

The Diablo art style carried it and it was early enough into the VS clone spree that it got popular despite some of its poorer design choices.

>>717126136
PEVK

DiabloIV su....

>>717133269
They actually have more tiddy in PoE2.

>>717133498
post em

>>717132649
This looks like Warcraft, not Diablo.

>>717134096
They even have jiggle physics when you run around, dodge roll, or spin her in the viewer.

>>717133498
that's not a good thing! i like my woman flat just like my soda

Is Diablo IV any good? It's been a few years since I played an ARPG and I'm kinda getting the itch again.

>Vessel of Hatred Deluxe Edition is on sale, but standard edition is not, making deluxe dition substantially cheaper
Blizzard really isn't putting a lot of effort into their sales, huh

>>717134894
I just meant they have outfits that show off more cleavage, there aren't any titty monsters in PoE2. See: >>717134559

>>717135234
It's good on your first playthrough. Endgame is kind of ass. But when you're just leveling up and playing through the campaign, it's comfy. There are a lot of dungeons to explore, quests to do, and a large open world environemnt with other players running around.

>>717135234
Okay, so people will just mindlessly say it is dogshit but I'll try to be more detailed:

If you just want to play an ARPG to go through the campaign, fight some bosses, and then do some end game to find loot it is fine. It has lots of quality of life (arguably too much), it drops a ton of loot, the movement/combat is smooth without a lot of clunk.
The main issue is that if you want to actually do the end game and really grind and engage with mechanics it is very shallow. Build creation for classes is shallow. It is basically a very streamlined ARPG experience made for casual fans of the genre or people who have not touched it. If you want a crunchy ARPG you play PoE1 or 2, if you want something casual you can play D4.

>>717135386
>>717135409
thanks, anons. sounds like it might be a good fit for what i'm looking for.

How the fuck do you put Diablo 1 in windowed mode. Alt+enter does nothing

>>717136965
DeviationX has a windowed option