Thread 717112747

>supposed to simulate controlling an army
>no ranged units

>>717112747 (OP)
>he plays woke garbage
That's on you.

>>717112882
Very original and funny joke, anon.

>>717112972
Thank you.

I know this is a troll thread but chess is really just Fire Emblem with simpler rules when you think about it. Also only one field (board).

>>717112747 (OP)
>no ranged units

Bishop, Rook, and Queen can move any distance, so they're like ranged units.

>>717113294
What's your problem with En Passant? It means that aggression is favoured, and you can't just easily block someone.

>>717112747 (OP)
>no ranged units
Retard. The only melee units are pawns.

I wonder why nobody plays this game anymore

Oh wait, yeah, now I remember because it's fucking gay

solved game that hasnt recieved any content updates in millenia

>>717113914
Launching your body at someone isn't a "ranged attack", dummy.

>>717113989
>solved game
Lmao
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Did you watch Esports World Cup? The best player in the world makes mistakes, and that means it's not solved. Time pressure is how chess stays interesting.

>>717114056
>Did you watch Esports World Cup
No I don't watch literal ads for fascist regimes no matter how much they pay for it.

>>717114213
>No I don't watch literal ads for fascist regimes

What? Are you talking about Muslims? Damn. I thought Reddit loves brown people. I guess they found out what non-whites are actually like.

>>717112747 (OP)
>no tanks
>no healers
>every piece is just a glass cannon

>>717114349
I do in fact love brown people as much as any people of any colour of the rainbow that's why I don't support regimes that oppress them.

>>717113810
Not that anon, but
>Aggression is favored
Yeah. Thats the issue. Aggressiveness and defensiveness arent balanced anymore. Aggression is favored. This cuts down usable strategies and thus lowers the skill ceiling.
>And you cant just easily block someone
Again, this again cuts potential strategies down. Rooks are weakest pieces individually and rely on both other rooks for support and to act as low-value trade blockers. Gimping one of their main fuctions makes reduces ways how they can be used.

>>717114457
>that's why I don't support regimes that oppress them.

Oh, nice one. You're going to fix the brownerinos by removing their religion, even though their nature is why that religion came into existence. The absolute state of bleeding hearts.

>>717112747 (OP)
You have bishops. You can fianchetto them and have little sniper's nests.

>>717114668
I'm a Chess noob and I get sniped by Bishops all the time. People who think Chess doesn't have ranged units don't play the game. I always think
>oh my god where did he come from

how do i play chess?

>>717114457
>color with a u
Spotted the britbong fagtard

>>717114639
You're going to fix the brownerinos by removing their religion
Sounds like a plan as long as we kill it off at the root. All abrahamic beeswax has to go.

>>717114770
You can play on Chess.com
It even teaches you the game if you don't know what each piece does.

>>717113989
>solved game
Absolutely not. It's solved for when there are 7 or less pieces on left on the board.

>>717113998
>attacks over multiple tiles (at range)
>not a ranged unit
?????

>>717114495
>Rooks are weakest pieces individually
???

>>717115098
If I shoot you with a bow and arrow does my physical position meaningfully change?

>>717115098
That's a charge melee attack, not a ranged attack

>>717114770
dont listen to anon, chessdotcum is gay and full of indians. Go to lichess, its way better and you get tons of shit for free that chessdotcum charges for.

>>717115171
How do you stab me with the arrow when I'm 50 feet away from you and also standing behind 3 dudes?

>>717115334
>chessdotcum is gay and full of indians

Do you hate them because they beat you at Chess? Why would they bother you?

>>717115430
I skillfully arc it over them, dummy.

>simulate controlling an army
What m8

>>717115563
Yeah, and then you run up and stand on my corpse to assert dominance. This is what is happening in Chess. QED.

>>717115436
Does anyone else understand why someone would be afraid of shitskins in a game where you play against them? 4chan is gay and full of Indians, and he's using this site. What a fucking coward.

>>717115825
I really hope that motherfucker is in the rest of the website, which is literally this image. Why not play against an Indian and then stomp his fucking sub-human head in.

>>717115598
Yes, chess is a distillation of thousands of years of war games. This is well-known and also obvious to anyone with a three digit IQ

>>717115696
Fuck I would do that.

>>717112747 (OP)
The ability to play Chess well is a sure indicator of a life wasted.

>>717116857
she said, /v/postingly...

>>717116857
Sounds like high level cope. There are people whose entire career is playing Chess.

>>717116946
>she said

Now it makes sense. A woman WOULD believe that anything she can't do is a waste of time.

>>717114056
>>717114842
chess is solved but that doesn't mean its not fun, it just means its no impressive to know who the "best" player is

>>717117278
>chess is solved

It's not solved. If Chess was solved, then every match would end in a draw. The time limit allows for human error.

>>717117372
If another jeet wants to claim Chess is solved, then post proof. It'll likely be computer bullshit, and that means nothing. Even if a player copied those moves, it doesn't mean your opponent will allow you to perform exactly what happened. I haven't seen anything because stupid people don't believe in facts and proof.

>>717117234
>There are people whose entire career is playing Chess.
Do you think the top 1% of chess players get payed anything worth mentioning? Of course not. Unless you enjoy spreadsheets the board game, then you are wasting your time

>>717117772
>Do you think the top 1% of chess players get payed anything worth mentioning? Of course not.

Did you check, or are you just guessing? Esports pays a lot now. Pro players get paid win or lose because they get a salary for being part of a team.

>>717117372
for that to happen it would require both players to be as knowledgeable and adjusted as each other
you can still have a "solved" game that has variation in gameplay

gen1 pokemon competitive is a solved game, because we know what works 90% of the time and what doesn't. we know choices that are stupid to make and ones that are optimal. thats what makes these games "solved"
but you can still have someone who doesn't know enough about the meta playing someone who does, or someone is really good making mistakes
the same goes to chess

>>717112747 (OP)
Congratulation on the most retarded OP so far this month.

>>717117926
>you can still have a "solved" game that has variation in gameplay

Then what do you mean by solved? You wrote all that garbage, and I still don't understand.

>>717117278
You don't know what "solved" means, so shut the fuck up. I told you, it's solved for 7 or less pieces left on the board. Just because there exist strong chess engines that could beat any human doesn't mean that a game is solved. Being solved is a term of art in game theory, and the state of development on chess doesn't satisfy that criteria.

>>717118073
I solved 4chan for example. I filtered every thread you have open or will open, and it causes people to post in every available thread. That's me solving 4chan. There's one solution. Variation in gameplay would mean that it's not solved.

>>717117841
Top 1% not the top 0.0001% anon. I meant it more literally. Not everyone is Magnus

>>717115430
Fair enough.

>>717118163
Have a look at the solution to 4chan. I can show the solution. Nobody else can show anything because you couldn't solve Tic Tac Toe and they're trying to say Chess is solved.

>>717113989
>solved game
>that people have been playing for a 1000 years
must be a good game!

>>717119080
>must be a good game!

It is a good game. I never cared about Chess when I was younger, but it's not bad at all. I just play it casually and get my ass kicked. I can't even beat the Magnus bot. I always thought Chess was too simple, but if I can't beat the computer, there's definitely complexity to it.

Chess is too simple to be useful in real life: a mere 8 by 8 grid, no fog of war, no technology tree, no random map or spawn position, only 2 players, both sides exact same pieces, etc.
Polytopia addresses these limitations.

>>717112747 (OP)
Shogi is better

we esports now

>>717121221
Did Magnus win? I only watched Magnus vs Hikaru to see if Hikaru could win, and he almost win. It was brutal. I watched it live. They scored equal points and then had to play Armageddon.

>>717121278
he almost won*

>>717114056
I did. He played with borderline engine accuracy against firouzja 94-96% is no different from a 100% game.

retards don't know the difference between solved and solvable games

>>717121562
>He played with borderline engine accuracy against firouzja 94-96% is no different from a 100% game.

So what? Magnus played against the best player in the world when he was a kid. If someone plays a game their entire life, you should expect that level of play from them.
If you watched Magnus vs Hikaru then you know Magnus lost his queen by accident, and it wasn't a sacrifice.

https://youtu.be/WjEmquJhSas?si=MBfokcx4l4lU2XGR

just because you cant solve it doesnt mean its not solved

>>717121638
E4 is solved and memorized , GMs constantly try to kill it just to make a quick draw, so you are forced to play E4,C3 as white just to get a game going which is basically just a shittier Italian or play an actual Shitalian, aka the most boring type of chess known to man. D4 is borderline solved and memorized. E4 C5 is 100% pure engine theory.

>but you ain't a pro

Doesn't mean fischer chess isn't superior

>>717121990
you don't know what solved mean.

>>717121990
>Fischer mocked Kasparov for playing simultaneous exhibitions only against -2000 opponents. He wrote a pamphlet: "Are you weak enough to play against Kasparov?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX_y-QbmlzY

kasparov is a prime example on how opening prep took over the game, he's a borderline retard.

>>717122178
No one is using the term literally you stupid mouthbreathing autist. The mainlines are all solved and memorized

>>717113294
This is considered cheating in any civilized match.

>>717117926
>gen1 pokemon competitive is a solved game, because we know what works 90% of the time and what doesn't
That apparent 10% causes enough variation to consider the game not solved. Solved games have the particularity to be mathematically accurate with the optimal set of strategies.
If the game was solved, you would know what works 100% of the time.

>>717122985
>No one is using the term literally
so you admit the game is literally not solved?
>The mainlines are all solved
no they aren't

>>717122985
Common standard practice does not automatically mean it's been proven optimal mathematically. Logicians would have no interest in an already solved game.

>>717112747 (OP)
Right white horse move in L to the left. NOW!

>>717122985
>moving goalposts
lmao

>>717122985
>No one is using the term literally
No, you're the only retard that keeps using it incorrectly. The term has a very specific meaning, and you're exposing yourself as an ignorant brainlet when you do that.

>>717123437
Be careful with your horses, man. I thought it was a sick move when I was younger, but the strongest move is getting your pawns out there first. If you move the Knight first, you block a pawn.

>>717123274
The game is solved, the computer that magnus uses when there's a world finals gives you a 70 deep move analisis with every single legal move. It's so over that people started used neural networks and AI to find different ideas because chess has become extremely stale and boring.

Chess is objectively a solved game.

>>717123594
To be more specific, I thought two Knights going out first looked cool, but it's not even good.

>>717123594
knight = best piece (just because they are horses)
I have to act bold and win with them.

>>717123639
>Still can't figure out the 71th move
Literally not solved then

>>717112747 (OP)
Knights jump over other units, making them.effectively ranged

If you play chess online you are gay
>oh my science these figures are so difficult to lift i would rather click ugly fucking flatshit minimalistic woke images on my iphone

>>717123724
You reach the endgame way before the 70th move. Endgames are solved

>>717114770
Learn how each piece moves
Practice against bots

>>717113998
You think Bishops are out on the battlefield launching their bodies at the queen? Or perhaps the more reasonable interpretation that the attacks are symbolic, and bishops have a diagonal influence.

>>717123639
even with neural networks and AI they still didn't solve chess tho. And we are still so far away from solving it technologically nobody is even attempting to do it.

>>717123857
>woke images
i miss when words meant things
though i do also prefer physical chess, online can be fun at times. At least more engaging than most shit on phones

>>717123861
You're taking things for granted based on typical game length, that is not mathematical proof. There is no rule that says the game can't extend for another 100 moves.

>>717123869
>Practice against bots

Yeah, this is how I'm trying to learn Chess. I picked an easy bot, and I wasn't even happy after I beat it because it made stupid moves. I switched to the hardest bot, and now I just get my ass kicked.

>>717123895
>chess is not solved
meanwhile in reality
>every single game in the e-sports championships is a boring ass catalan or a queen gambit decline

If humans playing with 2800+ rating accuracy on 3-10min time control doesn't rub you off in the wrong way then nothing will. Game is solved, it just takes time for the shitty humans to memorize it.

>>717123857
(You)'re trying too hard, zoom zoom

>>717124071
you don't know what solved means
>>>every single game in the e-sports championships is a boring ass catalan or a queen gambit decline
irrelevant. not an argument, doesn't prove chess is solved.
>If humans playing with 2800+ rating accuracy on 3-10min time control doesn't rub you off in the wrong way then nothing will.
I never even said I watch chess games.
>Game is solved
False
>it just takes time for the shitty humans to memorize it.
memorize what? lines? that doesn't mean chess is solved

>>717113294
>patch is needed to correct a nonsensical game mechanic but the devs just ignore it

>>717124402
>nonsensical game mechanic

Lmao, what. I bet they added castling at some point just to avoid ez checkmates.

>>717123639
If the game was solved, you'd have no need for a game engine using minimax with alpha beta pruning and evaluation functions for the positions at the ends of variations. You'd just have a database where you enter a position and you get a list of optimal candidate moves in constant time. No calculation or in-depth analysis needed. Which is what exists for when you have only 7 pieces left on the board, and it's called a tablebase. The game is categorically not solved. That's also why you can make improvements on existing engines and why you get better ones released periodically. Certain openings often leading to draws when played by the top players doesn't mean the game is solved. But that conversation only really exists for like top 20-100 players in the world. If you're weaker than that, you can get a game going playing any "drawish" opening.

>>717112747 (OP)
>no ranged units
um, rook, bishop, knight, queen?

>>717124643
I don't like the idea that Knight is ranged. Maybe he has a spear and that's why he can hit people like that.

>>717124352
Openings have branches. If every single sound line of a certain opening is memorized until you reach the endgame then you can say that the line is solved. If all the main lines and main branches are memorized then you can safely say that chess is solved. E4 is basically kill because of this. No idea what you consider as solved but chess been solved by computers for the longest time now.

Chess mafia will never support Fischer random

>>717114056
solved doesn't mean no one makes mistakes though.
solved means we can calculate what the optimal move would have been from any given position.

>>717124862
It is only solved when there are seven pieces left on the board. You're underestimating just how many different board configurations there exist.

>>717124862
>E4 is basically kill because of this
E4 is played constantly at the top level, so I don't know what you're talking about. Not just in faster time controls, but in classical.

>>717121638
chess is not solvable from starting position and never will be
its solvability only begins after a certain amount of pieces are lost or in certain positions, such as cm in x moves
by the very definition, a position cannot be "solvable" unless cm is guaranteed, and even with the best engines, that isnt able to do done for really any position with complexity to it

until it comes to a point that cm in x can be guaranteed from start, chess will remain unsolvable for the remainder of the universe's lifespan

>>717124991
>solved means we can calculate what the optimal move would have been from any given position.

Can we? or does a computer do that? I think that definition of solved is stupid. There's no we at all. Someone else has the solution, and you need to ask them for it.

>>717124862
>No idea what you consider as solved
We have a definition for that. you can just google it.
>chess been solved by computers for the longest time now.
since when?
>>717125174
>chess is not solvable from starting position and never will be
Wrong, chess is theoretically solvable.

>>717123639
>people started used neural networks and AI to find different ideas
the very definition of not solved then
stop using terms you dont know the meaning of
you dont know what they mean
checkers is solved
tic tac toe is solved
chess will NEVER be solved

ah so it's just retards making up their own definition of solved and plugging their ears when told they're wrong and that it's not what it means
>>717125386
>wrong
not wrong
show me the forced checkmate from start
that's what fucking solved means

>>717125690
>show me the forced checkmate from start
It exist but we don't know it, that's why it is theoretically solvable but it is not solved.
>that's what fucking solved means
exactly, that's what solved means. But solvable means theoretically, solving the game is possible

>>717125025
And you are underestimating how many of the million of moves that stockfish calculates are relevant

>>717125387
>chess will NEVER be solved
Well, I don't know about "never". It's theoretically solvable, because it's a finite game of perfect information, but the computational complexity of the algorithm to do that is exponential, so with the best tech we have now there wouldn't be nearly enough time in the universe to solve it. But hey, maybe in the future there will exist technology that would allow for it. Maybe something that approaches computation differently on the fundamental level. Who knows.

>>717125948
>BUT ACTUALLY
we're talking about CURRENT UNDERSTANDING WITH PROOF AND EVIDENCE
shut the fuck up with your pseude made up term
chess is not solved and you're not smart

>>717126048
didnt read
not solved

>>717126065
lol, you got confused about the terms "solved" and "solvable" and got mad when I corrected you?
>chess is not solved
again, I agree, I said chess is not solved but it is solvable (theoretically).

>>717126048
You sound extremely stupid. I’m pretty sure a high end computer can calculate every single position from start to finish, but that is completely irrelevant to what solved means to us humans, aka the death of E4

>>717112747 (OP)
Buy an ad.

>>717126168
you're not smart

>>717125948
>theoretically solvable
That's a whole different argument. And it's more about the limits on what encompasses a theory of something. If you go to the extreme, everything ever in the universe is theoretically solvable and predictable. But there are currents of thought that focus on human limitations and support the hypothesis that humans just aren't capable of holding such amount of information and never will.

Basically like weak vs strong agnosticism.

The original point still stands. Chess is not a solved game.

>>717112747 (OP)
Because it's a game for children made by Nintendo, it's not supposed to be realistic.

>>717126281
>it's a game for children made by Nintendo

>>717126206
Retard, I'm a computer scientist. I wrote game engines, I know what I'm talking about. Shut the fuck up.
>I’m pretty sure a high end computer can calculate every single position from start to finish,
You're dead wrong. Read up on algorithmic complexity, if your retarded brain can even comprehend such a concept.

>>717126224
It’s not a solved game because no one is going to use a nasa computer to print out millions pf sheets with every single move just to prove your low iq brain wrong-

But chess is solved

>>717126653
You are Indian. And you are wrong.chess is a solved game

>>717126506
https://youtu.be/0RHLtx9r2LA

>>717126663
>It's not solved
>but it's solved
suck on this

>>717126742
Does it hurt to be this brain-dead? Even if you did the tiniest bit of research on this topic, you would know that what I'm telling you is correct. You're just talking out of your ass.

chess is a comfy noob stomping game
you just learn Wayward Queen and Scholar's Mate openings, tank your ELO rating to 100 on chess.com, and get 90% winrate against beginners in 3 moves

it's fun

>>717126832
It’s solved for us humans, it’s solved by computers. It’s slowly being memorized by Indian kids. Denying reality doesn’t help the absolute dogshit state that chess is in since the 90s

>>717126206
computer vs computer chess games still aren't solved either

>>717127004
>It’s solved for us humans, it’s solved by computers.
But it's not

I still don't understand how the endtables work for real humans. Do pros have them memorized or something? I remember hearing that chess variations all suck because they just devolve into a race to a known boardstate to win from.

>>717127004
Even computers admit they haven't solved it

>>717127096
Ok sar good morning IT scienctist bemchord blasterd not solved.
>>717127060
Stockfish v Stockfish always ends up in a draw if you don’t use a opening playbook lmao

>>717127198
There are other types of tactics that help with minimizing the variations. Like thinking about board regions and just visualizing attacked spaces in a single image.
Memorizing endgame with few pieces is pretty much stupid.

>>717127198
I doubt anyone memorizes tables.
But pros know a shitload of ways of how to mate and how to force a promoted pawn. They don't memorize entire tables, but they certainly know endgames with x amount of figures and y amount of pawns, and can tell who's winning from that.

So if you both have a knight and a bishop but you're a pawn up, you can calculate the number of steps your pawns and the opponent's pawns need to take in order to promote, whether the opponent can stop you from doing it, and then a pro can instantly tell whether he can win with a mate or not.

>>717127315
>Stockfish v Stockfish always ends up in a draw
If you can't see what is the common factor there, then you might be literally retarded.
"Literally" means, in reality, by the way.

>>717126663
No computer existing on earth could solve chess in a reasonable amount of time. If you employed every machine existing today to solve chess, the universe would end in a heat death before you'd get even 1% of the way there. I know that it's very hard for your tiny brain to comprehend, but just because you have a game with simple rules, it doesn't mean that it's easily solvable.

If chess is a solved game, tell me the winning first move.
It's that simple.

>>717127315
This has to be bait. Nobody is this retarded.

>>717127487
You don’t memorize a table you stupid low IQ Indian. You memorize the patterns and the shapes which is no different from actually memorizing an entire line. Chess is a solved game

>>717127637
The winning move is not to play

>>717127690
>Chess is a solved game

So why aren't you the best in the world?

>>717127487
>So if you both have a knight and a bishop but you're a pawn up, you can calculate the number of steps your pawns and the opponent's pawns need to take in order to promote, whether the opponent can stop you from doing it, and then a pro can instantly tell whether he can win with a mate or not.
Also want to add that in the endgame with very few figures, pros can see 10+ steps ahead and they know that they can lock in the enemy king and they can't block your pawn no matter what.

In blitz/bullet chess where both sides only have 1-3 minutes for the entire game, waiting for your turn and clicking with the mouse WILL run you out of time, so they just shift+click queue up the next 5-10 moves in a row in the endgame to send their pawn to the last rank and promote it, because they know that their opponent doesn't have any moves to stop it.