Thread 717112946

Console and PC games were always superior to the arcade. The format simply did not let games have enough complexity.

Eternal reminder nioh trannies

considering how much other games merged with Hollywood...

>>717113278
Nioh is complete garbage and its hilarious that /v/ only likes it because they wanna be contrarian to Souls, even though Nioh is literally a shovelware Souls clone with shitty mmo loot.

I think the arcade mindset does create more FUN games. I'm not saying thats objectively better but it is more fun. Something like the og Resident Evil 4 is clearly a game made with an Arcade mindset and it is very fun and very replayable. But I mean games like say Zelda OOT and FF7 are not arcade mindset games and they are great too.

>>717113278
Real Niohbros never denied this.

I can't tell if he is a based retard sperg or just a plain old retard sperg.
Every time he opens his mouth it's a coinflip.

>>717113246
Depth is more important than complexity.

>>717114249
Arcade games are about figuring out what exploits allow you to win a rigged game. That's the "depth" people talk about.

>>717112946 (OP)
Arcade philosophy is superior. Souls clones where every fight is a 1v1 is boring.

Fuck you mork, don't expose normies to shmups, we like it niche and comfy.
Good thing the games are hard as balls so they are going to get filtered anyways.

>>717112946 (OP)
>goes full time
>videos take longer to release for some reason

>>717112946 (OP)
Why does he hate Sonic games? They have pure arcade game design

isn't arcade game design all about eating your quarters?

>>717114659
He means back-to-back gameplay with minimal interruptions and high difficulty, scoring mechanics etc. not the business model.

>>717114659
It's less reactive and more cerebral, with every choice being able to create a snowball effect for or against you. If you're incapable of thinking ahead you can't succeed.

>>717114851
Those things are a result of the business model. They're inseparable.

>>717114935
They were already separated before by many arcade style shmups exclusive to console or PC.

>>717114550
yeah wtf happened i remember him saying he was gonna drop 3 vids a week once he went full time but now he’s posting even less than when he had a full time job

>>717114935
There are arcade games on consoles and PC you dumb nigger.

>>717112946 (OP)
This guy has douche vibes

>>717115002
Console and PC games tended to have an actual difficulty curve, instead of the obligatory spike for maximum profits.

>>717114659
thats an utterly retarded way to view it.

>>717113278
You do know he actually likes Dark Souls right?

>>717115110
Highly depends on the game. The ones with like 5 stages will always pull a difficulty spike halfway through.

>>717113671
he definitely not an old fag he actually only started playing arcade games in his adulthood also he hates nostalgia fags so much

>>717114659
theyre about being as impressive as a video game can be in a short time and they're glorious. basically dont play them for too long, plus its free nowadays.

>>717115346
I would think most gamers around his age played arcade casually as a kid, then eventually went back to them with the japanese 1cc mindset that wasn't really a thing in the west until later on.

>>717112946 (OP)
It's true. He has correctly identified 2 major problems that we feel more and more each passing year in gaming.
>1: The death of the arcade and the arcade game
>2: The death of dedicated handheld game systems
Both of these losses have had a resounding impact on gaming as a whole because both were the prime grounds for lower risk low-cost experimental game design while having a critical focus on being fun from the moment you start the game. Arcade games and handheld games both force developers to choose inherently solid game design rather than creating garbage slop.

>>717114659
>a youtube essay by tranny told me this

>>717115730
Arcades weren't low cost when they were in. They had more expensive hardware and higher budget games than home consoles.

>>717112946 (OP)
I can empathize with a lot of his opinions and perspectives but I think he takes the whole arcade purity and simplicity thing a little too far.

>>717115730
>lower risk low-cost experimental game design while having a critical focus on being fun from the moment you start the game
Indie games are where this mentality went.

>>717116181
Indies don't really follow arcade design either, especially with the infestation of roguelike mechanics which are as far from arcade as you can get

>>717114659
No

>>717114659
You got it backwards, the games had to be extremely fun to justify people putting in another quarter otherwise your model dies once the novelty wears of which takes like a month
Same with pinball, its fun as fuck to play thats why you keep paying to play it

>>717116745
>You got it backwards, the games had to be extremely fun to justify people putting in another quarter otherwise your model dies once the novelty wears of which takes like a month
>Same with pinball, its fun as fuck to play thats why you keep paying to play it
They don't have to be fun, just psychologically manipulative enough to keep you playing
Do you think geriatrics sitting in front of slot machines all day are having fun?

>>717116085
I think that's the overall consensus on Mork. But we're glad he's around in a sea of
>The Last of Us DECONSTRUCTED my EGO
takes

>>717116085
Final Fight isn't that great I dont get why him and BOG worship it so much

>>717115051
I think he does a lot of patron only videos these days

>>717116934
>psychologically manipulative
We now calling fun manipulation
never change /v/

>>717116181
>Indie games are where this mentality went.
Unfortunately, indie devs didn't play enough arcade games to understand what makes them good and instead churn out mountains of roguebuilding cardlike deckshitting trash with metaprogression rather than sound, tight design fundamentals.

>>717116934
Also gambling addiction is not comparable whatsoever to a game of skill
Just kill yourself and never reply to me again you stupid cunt

>>717117042
>doesn't understand the difference between fun and addiction
are you by any chance, jewish

>>717117054
You are describing /agdg/

>>717117142
however, what will you do to differentiate the "addiction" of arcade games from the "fun" of home games? you have no criteria

>>717117042
hownew.ru

>>717112946 (OP)
wish he was more popular. Every modern day gaming youtuber is trash and appeals to the lowest of the low

>>717117354
I hate that in a way he ended up being right, if only in the sense that being fun is apparently not a requirement for modern devs.

>>717117434
sadly jewtube algorithm only pushes drama farming and brain dead content nowadays

>>717115072
nah mork is very chill to his own channel's detriment, if he was drama farming douche he'd have more views and much more popular

>>717117013
The thrust the video is "As an action game it's good because of how few mechanics it has, which made it far easier for the devs to account for and test mastery of those mechanics over the unbalanced kitchen sink approach used by DMC and modern action games"

>>717114659
Basically every console action game up until around PS3 era was based on Arcade principles.

>>717114570
I watched a few of his video and I'm surprised he never brings up Sonic

>>717116085
>Final fight is great because it was playtested soo much and soo well compared to modern games
????What???? That was genuinely one of the most retarded takes I ever heard from Mork.

>>717118198
>over the unbalanced kitchen sink approach used by NG2
Ftfy

>>717113487
What are you smoking. Resident Evil 4 is only arcade when you're playing Mercenaries?

>>717117354
He was right. Fun is a meaningless word for critique if you can't back it up. Some people think getting hit in the balls is fun. Some faggots think any sort of challenge isn't fun. Dead Rising's timer isn't "fun" but it's an essential part of the game and adds a ton of replay value.

The real advantage of arcade games is that they offer the "complete" experience in 5 minutes.
I see these people complaining that they no longer enjoy playing video games, that it's all like a chore for them, but that's because modern games require several hours of commitment to get into the "mood" of the game. It's like reading a whole book that isn't very entertaining in the first place...
With arcades, you press Start and immediately you start getting high doses of gameplay. Many games are already challenging in the first 15 or 30 seconds. Just imagine, in modern games, 30 seconds isn't even enough for you to get into the game, but in arcades, 30 seconds were already putting you in risky situations that required attention, concentration, and skill.

How much for a daily marketing thread with my face on it, OP?

>>717115730
>The death of the arcade and the arcade game
He misses the social aspect. That's it.

>>717119350
Check the comments on his F-Zero GX video and it's pretty clear that's he completely unfamiliar with arcade racing games. A lot of the comments bring up factoids about the genre that he replies to saying he didn't know about them
So those kind of games probably just aren't his preference, it's obvious most of his interest is in shmups and action games

>>717114659
It's mostly about memorizing and leaderboards. So it's intended for autists who want to spend their life climbing a mountain that no one but very few other autists cares. It really is a sad state of affairs.

>>717120020
This. And it's probably why MP games are so popular as well. Plug-in and play.
AAA SP games
>intro cutscene for story
>tutorial
>story
>minor gameplay
>story
>VERY easy gameplay
>story
>gameplay
>menu handling
Then you stop playing for a month and you forget some stuff from the story. You forget things you've explored in the map. It does become a "chore" if you're not in the mood. It does not help that most of these are also not made with replayability in mind, looking at you RE7 and GoW.

>>717112946 (OP)
>grabs microphone like a faggot
>delivers the shittiest opinions you've ever heard
>takes forever to say anything and keeps repeating himself for half an hour
>"haha I'm one of the good guys right fellas? I'm based right?"

>>717120136
And dogs eat dog food.

>>717120362
That isn't even a critique of arcade games. Not every arcade game is a shump, and especially not a psikyo shmup that break players.

>>717120736
You could also say the same about beat em ups and fighting games. Please tell me, what is the difference?

>>717114249
Wow look at the incredible death of this slot machine!

>>717120669
& And squanchers squanch

buy an ad faggot

Oh boy. We've finally moved from Fromdrone, trannies and betrayed autistic no-lifers obsessively butthurt over an autistic Irish potatonitter to arcadefags, trannies and autistic no-lifers butthurt over an autist with a limp-wristed voice.

I wonder who'll be /v/'s new e-celeb obsession in the next decade or 2!

>>717120020
That's also their problem and why people even in the late 90s started to dislike them. Imagine paying 60 bucks for a 30 minute game that plays out basically the same way every time, with the only skill being memorization.

>Thread about Shoot em Ups, arcades, or Mark gets made
>Immediately someone reeing about Mork, arcade games, dishonesty, and save files for games
Wait, does that mean... no...

>>717121317
No. Please elaborate.

>>717120802
>beat em ups
Nowhere near as hardcore, longer(than psikyo shmups), more accessible, bigger focus on co-op, life bars are a staple so near perfection isn't required for completion, not auto scrollers with exception of some selected sections like elevators so players usually have more leeway etc.
>fighting games
Mainly pvp games, there aren't many pvp shmups(like twinkle star sprites). Winners can often camp on machines as long as they want too. Not many of them are focused on SP campaigns(like warzard) so AI is rarely balanced.
>>717120986
>plays out basically the same way every time
Plenty of arcade games have multiple characters/ships like pic related, there's really no difference from home games. I don't understand this argument.
>why people even in the late 90s started to dislike them
Nobody disliked them on principle. People just had consoles which were much more convenient and accessible, but home games very often mimicked arcade style design.

>>717123040
>fighting games are not about memorization and ranking
lmao

>>717120986
15 minute long memoshit that takes hours to grind is shit design. Many people use savestates to perfect individual sections but where is the fun in that?
>>717114659
you are right, don't listen to the replies. Sure, they are made to be fun but they are also made to make money. little kids will have fun with just the interaction and graphics, the joy punching dudes that have 10+ pixels for a few minutes. Actually beating those games are for the mega autistic.

>>717123205
>about memorization
What game isn't?

>>717123040
>Nobody disliked them on principle.
Yeah they did. The games were literally not made for a high upfront cost.

>>717123290
In order to be effective at eating quarters, it needs to be fun, immediately, and not feel like it's an unfair waste.

The amount of dickriding this faggot has is incredible, this board is full of mongoloids.

For me, it's the Character Action Arcade classic The Last of Us 2

>>717120986
now you pay $90+DLC+tip for under 30minutes of unique gameplay stretched across 90+ hours with zero actual skill involved.

>>717120362
journos were always subhumans.