Thread 717115890

What games series can you exactly pinpoint when it went to shit?

Dark Souls 2

>>717115890 (OP)
Halo Reach

Assassin's Creed: Origins

>>717115990
The wibbly-wobbly of Dark Souls 2 being designed to counter every tactic players used in Dark Souls, then for Dark Souls 3 they do the exact opposite and cater to the fans who want only AotA-style bosses and non-stop rolling, was one hell of an experience.
But yeah once they started building games based on player feedback and the whims of the masses, the series became doomed.

People will say games before this were shit, and there certainly were a few rough patches. But I stand by the fact that BALDY NOSEHAIR was the EXACT moment Sonic the Hedgehog irrecoverably really went to shit.

>>717117128
>But yeah once they started building games based on player feedback and the whims of the masses, the series became doomed.
I noticed that with the nonstop waterfall of patches dark souls 2 was getting.
>We need to nerf EVERYTHING useful just in case someone during PvP complains about it instead of gearing to counter that.

>>717117282
lol

but that series went to shit when you started having the option to select the gender of the main character

>>717115890 (OP)
That's a season 13 episode. The show was already going to shit at least since season 10.

>>717117128
>once they started building games based on player feedback and the whims of the masses
That's mostly DS3 and ER though, BB was mostly designed to discourage turtling behind a shield (which was how most people played the series back then, before newbies memed themselves into trying to roll through everything), and I don't think anyone was expecting something like Sekiro or AC6.

>>717117613
Season 10-12 still had some decent episodes but you could tell it was slowly becoming more and more sludge. 13 was tripe.

>>717117521
trvke

The cracks were showing in 5th gen, but they were at least good games. 6th gen is carried entirely on Braixen's shoulders.

>>717116669
Yeah. I hated Halo 4, but when I think about it, a lot of the things wrong with it were already in Reach.

>>717115890 (OP)
oruga gritona

>>717115990
Retard

>>717115890 (OP)
i want to rape this bug

>>717115890 (OP)
>>717117231
>think this is an ai generated meme
>this was a real episode

>>717117613
The constant celeberty wanking always annoyed me with the simpsons.

Whenever people talk about the episode that made them quit watching The Simpsons, it's always:

>the screaming bug episode
>the panda rape episode
>the elf jockeys episode
>the Tony Hawk episode

>>717120885
I don't even remember what made me stop watching it. I just got bored of it like somewhere between 15 to 20 years ago.

>>717120885
>panda rape episode
this was really hot

>>717115890 (OP)
Does it count when a series recovers the game after and then goes to shit again?
Because gen 4 was the epitome of what's bad about modern pokemon
Railroading
Performance issues
Less content than the previous game
Designs that don't fit the aesthetic
And it even has its own unique issues like rehashing RSE's plot but this time with gods of the universe jumping the shark and elevating pokemon from animals with powers to the literal godkind of the series.
Then there's the fact that it ruined secret bases and contests to the point where GF just culled them from the series outside of remakes because the gen 4 versions were so hated.

>>717120885
The movie with spider pig or whatever was the last simpsons slop i remember consuming back in the day.

>>717121137
>recovers the game after
when?

>>717121216
That was fucking weird. The whole reason people went to see it was to see Bart's dick.
Imagine if that happened nowadays.

>>717115890 (OP)
Saints Row 3
Final Fantasy X
Megaman X5
[Prototype] 2
Mario Kart World

>>717117613
I remember as a kid almost every time Homer would gasp and say a celebrity name I didn't know why I should care

>>717115890 (OP)
wild to think the Simpsons got like 8 good seasons and still kept going at it for an additional 28 years.

>>717120885
Lady Gaga episode killed even people watching through sheer inertia

>>717115890 (OP)
>>717117231
qrd?

>>717121301
People went to see the movie just to see a glimpse of a dick? God that's lame.

>>717118572
>a lot of the things wrong with it were already in Reach.
Like what?

>>717121349
I fully agree Prototype 2 had shit dialogue and a mediocre story. However, neither one was the focus and the gameplay and traversal of the map was fun.

>>717121137
It's sad.
Gen 5 was a massive course correction fixing everything that went wrong with gen 4 and because of a small amount of wannabe genwunners going
>where muh pikchu!
Online the series went to absolute shit.

>>717121216
>>717121301
>>717121553
It was kind of concerning how much emphasis they placed on his penis, the trailers all had that french fry scene in it.

>>717120885
The elf jockeys episode was dogshit but there were at least a few decent episodes during the Scully era to offset it. Whereas the Al Jean era was wall-to-wall dogshit. There is nothing good about season 13. That's as far as I was able to go.

>>717117282
Fell for the same trap as Zelda with SS, people whined about linear design and nowadays all they have is a huge empty map, pokemon don't even have interiors anymore

>>717121523
If you really don't know. This particular episode had a red bug that had a shrill scream. It screams for approx a quarter of the runtime, im not even kidding.
It's loud as fuck... just Youtube it.

>>717117613
Simpsons is not that funny even in the first 10 seasons, it's just relevant to the cultural zeitgeist and was unique, in a time where there was no competition. A lot of the writers were Hollywood rejects that nowadays would be considered hacks, with Simpsons being American slop.

Important? Yes.
Good? Not that good.

KotHs humor is much better outside the context of it's zeitgeist and time period.
Look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Simpsons_season_10#Guest_stars

>>717115890 (OP)
Unpopular opinion but I think the series never went bad, just never reached the heights of the early seasons. There are some episodes which defy logic in how bad they are but those are oddities rather than an entire season with nothing salvageable.

>>717121523
00's episode where plot A involves The Simpsons taking care of an endangered screaming caterpillar, pretty awful episode but the show had been spiraling down at that point already, thats it.

Season 13 had the Brazil episode and season 14 had Large Marge so I can't say it died there.

>>717122215
>>717122217
duality of man

You'll be sad when The Simpsons gets cancelled.

Just like wrestling fans can't deny they felt something when Hulk died, regardless of how you felt about him in any aspect.

>>717119641
Retard

>>717122269
Large marge????

>>717122043
>pokemon don't even have interiors anymore
You should probably at least look up a let's play instead of listening to memes.

>>717122217
Yeah theyre fine on their own right better than similar shit like Nutshack or whatever knock off shows it influenced, its just that its bar had set itself so high that no matter how high it jumped again it hasn't been able to reach that again.

>>717120232
buckbroken by AI

>>717122520
>Nutshack
?? Literal Shovelware

>>717122269
Large Marge was garbage, the coom didn't save it by any means

>>717122524
it's true, it lives in my head rent free.

>>717122215
You only lke king of the hill because it is mutt show, mutt.

>>717122308
Not really? They're kind of saying the same thing.

>>717122489
>It doesn't matter that 90% of places don't have interiors anymore you have like gyms and some final area
Pokemon fans deserve the garbage they get, I hope ZA sells a lot so GF can continue their scam

>>717122717
And Simpsons isn't?

>>717122717
Not American

>>717115890 (OP)
Is it bad that I genuinely like every battlefield game up until BF1?
I've heard the sentiment about 3/4 being the beginning of the end, and while I can understand some of the arguments against them compared to bad company/2, they're still pretty good games.

>>717122812
I can tell you bought a certain game out of spite.

why are modern adult cartoons written for teens?
at least i don't feel insulted watching the simpsons

noob tube

>>717122427
Yeah that's what I called you, glad you can read

>>717122794
One says all Simpsons is overrated
The other says all of Simpsons is overhated

>>717123046
>mega ultra super mega copium huff

How the fuck are Harry Shearer and Julie Kavner still alive, any time I see a clip from modern simpsons that has mr. burns or marge they sound like death

>>717122956
From what I've seen that's the common sentiment among BF players. BF1 was the final tipping point for the franchise. 4 was worse than 3 and BC2, but it was still playable.

>>717123005
Modern adult anything is written for teens. You'll get more compelling and mature plots from whatever monthly shonen crap is coming out

>>717122524
>>717122712
Hardly unreasonable when it's a cancer that just keeps growing more and more refined slop. You'd think, well fittingly late seasons Simpsons for example, would've taught the lesson that not every idea needs to be brought to life.

>>717123102
Kavner's current Marge voice is the closest I've ever come to a gore response from audio

>>717123101
I'll accept the concession

>>717117391
lightning spear my beloved

>>717123102
I saw an episode where Shearer sounded really off but it was just that one episode. The next one he was already back to normal. No idea what happened there.
Kavner is just unfortunate though. 30 years of having to voice a character with a particularly raspy voice. I imagine the VA's literally can't be replaced unless they purposely choose to leave.

>>717123340
you should play PoE2 it also has lightning spear my beloved

>>717120885
I've never even heard of these. The ones always given to me are the one where Principal Skinner is revealed to be someone else or season 11 episode 5.

>>717123078
How did you even get to that when one of the anons wasn't talking about the general opinion?
Anyway no, one is saying he thinks Simpsons was never good the other is saying Simpsons isn't truly bad.
Removing opinions they both basically said the whole series has had a fairly consistent level of quality.

>>717123005
>Now Tommy, no watching Family Guy, that's an adult show!
>Teens love that brand of "mature" humor
>Instantly get a wider demographic if you can keep your show stupid enough, probably better for advertisers too

>>717123195
cute bait anon kun, just saying "retard" is not an argument, and you the retard here. I am the only one that can accept cuckcessions, but I don't even care to take yours.

>>717116010
we really went from climbing girders and crawling through sewers to floating blocks.
What wae Miyamoto thinking??

>episode was written by the best writer in the shows history
what happened

>>717123420
>Finn sabotages his relationship because seeing his girlfriend fist fight an old man gives him wet dreams so he sends hate mail to both so they'll keep fighting
Yeah, absolutely where I dropped off. I hear people bailing because of LSP, Bee (sounds like a writing clusterfuck) and canon lesbians (don't personally give a shit) and some general character obliteration of Finn, but I'd say here was a hard enough wall for me to just leave.

>>717123705
Simpsons was popular for being in touch with the lower class
the writers became rich and started appealing to the celebrities that they brought in
the reason Simpsons had so many celebs was mostly because the writers wanted to suck them off to feel refined

>>717115890 (OP)
Mass Effect 2, as soon as the Council hand waved away everything that happened in Mass Effect 1 and also Shepard being forced to work with Cerberus. The story only went downhill from there. You could tell that the incompetent hack writers in charge of 2 had no intention of permitting any meaningful player choice while they strung you along their railroaded "your choice matters" story, which wasn't even competently written regardless. And then ME3 had the most disappointing end to a series I've ever played. It's like they stripped everything unique out of ME1's story and tone in some design-by-committee purge in an effort to make ME2/3 more "mainstream."

>>717123172
They did learn thanks to the magic of the mouse, now instead of nonsencical plots they just redo the homer x marge got marriage problems, lisa is a cunt and bart exists plots...but to be fair every once in a while they still pull out a decent episode instead of the constant stream of stinkers they released constantly on its true dark ages that was the last days of fox.

>>717123705
i only know swartzwelder and conan, one of them wrote that piece of shit episode?

>>717123786
But john swartzwelder lives as a hermit recluse and is based

>>717117613
i finally gave up on the simpsons somewhere in season 12 or 13 with the judge judy on a houseboat with a seal episode

>>717123705
He had no ideas and a deadline to meet. It happens.

>>717115890 (OP)
>That episode of The Simpsons
>Government forces Homer & Marge to be Slaves to this screaming red worm.

>>717123928
I was referring to how AI lets too many people realize their visions, several times over, but their visions are ass. Bad writing was just an example of ideas that needn't be given the power to see the light of day.

>>717124001
john did. maybe it was an easy check from a terrible idea, but it has his trademark "government is interfering again and is making things worse for people" jabs.

>>717115890 (OP)
Gen 7 onward
If it started gen 7 onwards, it's likely shit to begin with

>>717115890 (OP)
megaten with persona 3

>>717124085
It's a metaphor for anti-abortion laws, too high concept though it'd seem

>>717123929
>>717124167 meant for >>717123929

>>717123928
I think they've actually been avoiding doing homer x marge marriage problems for a while. A lot of them just have them actually enjoy each other's company which is refreshing if nothing else. A lot of episodes focusing on Moe for some reason. I guess after Apu got the boot they decided to have Moe be the next non-family character to be more developed.

>>717120885
The tony hawk episode was the true point of cut off between bronze age and the dark ages, it was hyped down as a milestone and showered off with even more hype thanks to day long marathons and interviews with past guest stars (the milestone was ep 300 afair) then the episode finally aired and was....meh....after that the rest of the episodes were just trash and uninteresting up until we reach the true death of the show (lisa goes gaga).

Halo 4
Mario Kart World
Portal 2 (for the series and Valve as a whole)
The Walking Dead season 2
Paper Mario Sticker Star
Infamous Second Son. Not quite as bad as some but still
Wolfenstein TNC

>>717124431
Mario Kart had a pretty good run, all things considered.

>>717115890 (OP)
I thought this episode was a fever dream I had as a child, I literally didn't know it existed until now wtf

>>717124431
>Wolfenstein TNC
TNC was bad, but not irredeemably shit. It was Young Blood that cemented nu-wolfenstein as being completely lost

>>717122524
people really have been raped in the head by AI. can't use an em dash or a semicolon these days without some retard accusing you of using ChatGPT. i've actually been called a bot just for using proper punctuation before (it was a must; i needed to appear halfway intelligent). it's fucking retarded.

>>717124716
Damn I forgot about that, you're right.

>>717124431
>Mario Kart World
>Portal 2 (for the series and Valve as a whole)
Nah, the most recent entries being good isn't the series turning to shit.
Also infamous was always shit so that technically doesn't work either.

>>717124727
thank you, chat gpt

>>717124856
Who's that pokemon?

>>717116010
How is possible to keep that image only at 1 Kb?

>>717124889
linoone

>>717115890 (OP)
Thanks, I repressed this until now.

>>717123340
Exactly what I was thinking about

>>717115890 (OP)
needs a screenshot from when you dish upon a star, that was the end of horse racing.

>>717115890 (OP)
No matter how bad Simpsons gets, it never devolved into this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEsiYI_W9CE

>>717115890 (OP)
witcher 3, with the blatant liberalism and wokeness. i didn't really notice it when first played through it, but i did at the second playthrough.

mass effect

>>717122345
the simpsons is dead, we've mourned it already.

>>717120885
what was so bad about the screaming bug episode

>>717115890 (OP)
Saddlesore Galactica was the point of no return.

>>717115990
For every one good concept or start of a concept DS2 had, it also had like two or three terrible ideas and botched implementations. Also, 8-directional movement on an analog stick. Lmao.

>>717120885
I'm in the minority opinion that really hated, and still hates, the Frank Grimes episode. Also you're missing the Principal and the Pauper as another episode that made people quite the Simpsons.

>>717125987
>screaming bug takes up residence in their garden
>can't get rid of it because it's endangered and govern won't relocate it
>makes their lives hell because they have to take care of it
>homer almost kills it but doesn't and they get punished anyway
>stuck in community service
>a woman dies
>homer is taken to the electric chair
>IT'S ALL FAKE YOU WERE PRANKED!

>>717120571
It used to be good when there was no wanking, but whacky characters that happened to be celebrities

>>717120885
I can't remember exactly when I stopped watching but I want to say it was around the HD switch. I had only watched that long because it was part of Fox's animation block and it rain alongside King of the Hill, Family Guy and American Dad. Once KotH ended and Cleveland Show started I remember losing interest altogether.

>>717126205
As someone who likes the Grimey episode, it's funny how it might just be the most divisive of all the episodes. I think part of what makes it work is that Homer isn't at fault. Grimes is the one whose disbelief of Homer brings misery on himself.

>>717115890 (OP)
The hate for Principle and the Pauper is overblown. It's still full of good lines and gags, and people take the Skinner lore change way too seriously when the whole point of the episode is to take the concept of sitcoms restoring the status quo after a big proto-clickbaity retcon and take said resolution to an intentional extreme. Outside of a couple cheeky "Tamzarian" namedrops way later on, it's never brought up again and never part of Skinner's character again.

>>717117128
This is so fucking bullshit and untrue.
Dark Souls 2 was them completely surrendering to the "just roll through everything lol" playstyle. They made i-frames a fucking stat for you to pump. They didn't bother with accurate hitboxes because they expecting you to roll through everything. They abandoned level design in favor of straight hallways with occasional tough enemies. Meaningful boss runs were removed.

The revisionist history around Dark Souls 2 is one of the most unreal things I've ever lived through when it comes to games.

>>717126494
>it's funny how it might just be the most divisive of all the episodes.
Part of the problem is that it required Homer and even the setting to be even dumber than ever. Like, why the fuck is there a window between the canteen and a workspace where acids are used?
And why was there acid there anyway? I don't know anything about nuclear reactors but I don't feel like acid would be used anywhere that wouldn't be highly irradiated.

>>717124987
it has only like 3 colors

>>717126424
Can someone post the DB super version of your pic? i had it saved from back when they made it on the /a/ thread post episode but it got lost and i haven't been able to find it.

>>717123386
>season 11 episode 5
Well, lah-dee-dah, Mister Park Avenue manicure!

>>717126424
Then you had the episodes where celebrities just played a character

>>717126975
Really, that's your problem with the episode? The nuclear plant was never shown to be a safe place to work. The very intro has Homer with a plutonium rod in his shirt.

>>717126656
Skinner's escalating submission to his mother was far worse than Tamzarian

>>717126895
>Having to invest in a stat to get high I frames is actually more enabling of Roll Souls than being given them by default instead
Why are DS2 haters so embarrassing?

>>717127426
>"This exit's just painted on!"

>>717120885
I dropped it at the one Sideshow Bob moves to Italy and its crazy that episode will be 20 years old this december. I tried to watch a new one on animation domination back when everyone was saying it was good again and they had Robert Reich and Lisa singing about leftism so I dropped it once more.

>>717127530
He was funnier before Agnes got introduced as a character.

>>717127578
Yes, allowing the player to to and designing the game around the player pumping their i-frames up massively is enabling of roll souls, you fucking mongoloid.

>>717127426
>part
>dumber than ever
Reading isn't your strong suit is it.
Also there's a difference between an emergency homer sees differently and just straight up something that doesn't fit.

>>717115990
2 was an improvement even if it was half assed, 3 was where it went to shit because it undid everything 2 was trying to do and became actionslop instead of the slow paced gameplay that made 1 and demons great.
>>717126895
They made iframes a stat to disincentivize people from following the light roll spam meta. By pumping adp you sacrificed every other useful stat. It was half assed because it should've never been a stat to begun with they should've forced the default iframes.

>>717122583
99% of people only know the Nutshack exists because it's a running joke on SiIvagunner.

>>717127621
Oh yeah, the writters developing Agnes was the death of Seymour.

>>717127778
They made iframes a stat to tax the players level up and stop the game actually being an RPG where the player could actually diversify and find different tactics. It also doubles up with retarded mechanics like soul memory that disincentivize the player doing anything but mashing their face on a boss until they win.
Dark Souls 2 is completely and fundamentally designed around rollsouls and is inarguably when the series went to shit.

>>717120885
All of these are a lesser evil. It's the lady gaga episode.

>>717126459
Yeah post movie when they changed the opening to the HD one I remember thinking some of the magic was lost

>>717115890 (OP)
Making Phoenix a PC again and having you switch between 3 different main characters.

>>717118336
worst part of gen 6 is the first 2 gyms are actually great and make you feel like despite the slow beginning the game is gonna be good, and then the rest is just empty nonsense with absolutely no new pokemon.

>>717127426
me on the right

>>717128008
The robotic head turn hurts my soul.

>>717128278
I'd be fine with that if it wasn't for the absolute lack of concern on her face and the two frames of animation on the fists.