Thread 717117437

Remember when people would purposefully put more weight into their mouse? Fucking wild, these days people are shaving plastic off to save a gram

Still no objective evidence that a lighter mouse actually makes you better at video games though. We just do it because youtube told us to.

>>717117537
it is more comfy to use for long periods though
t. I just RMA'd my 60g wireless deathadder v3 and am using my ancient wired steelseries 90g monster

>>717117437 (OP)
you need to balance the weight of the mouse against the weight of the cable and you NEED a cable.

>>717117662
you don't need a cable, wireless mice these days last for like a week or more and when its charging time they just become a standard wired mouse for a little while, the tech is perfected

by 2030, there'll be some new marketing gimmick the big 3 will push to consumers.

>>717117585
>muh comfy
Just like with "comfy video games" a signifier of a midwit with shit taste. You might as well go full ergo mouse meme if you want "comfy"

>>717117437 (OP)
Mice used come with added weights to make your mouse heavier, which was the style at the time

>>717117537
all this pro gamer hardware shit is like this
someone wins a tournament in some game and it becomes word of god that every peripheral that person used must be objectively the best thing for all players of all games

>>717117662
>you NEED a cable.
Outdated talking point detected. Pinging nearest retirement home for immediate collection.

>>717117662
basically no one in pro cs uses wired cables

Anyone who thought weighted mice were a good idea is fucking retarded.
I used a deathadder for the last 15 years and have recently switched to lightweight magnesium Chinese scaffolding mice and couldn't be happier.

>>717117796
i hope they bring ball mice back

>>717117796
The mouseless mouse.

Miceillion dollar idea: magnetic mousepad and a complementary mouse with reverse polarity magnets that pushes against it to further null out the effects of gravity.

>>717117771
nta but wireless mice still have delay, I have one and still use it wired during shooters, the cable tugs on it in annoying directions sometimes because it's so light.

>>717117978
guess it's just retard olympics then

>>717118053
i think maglev mouse could work but damn would that be effort.

how do I stop accidental right clicks? I thought my right switches were just broken for a long time, but it happens even on the new mouse I got. I refuse to use a gay ass claw grip

>>717118076
Oh shit lmao

>>717118053
>he thinks humans can make a perfectly consistent and even magnetic waves
Bro enjoy playing with magnetized rocks, even a microwave can't cook food consistently because of how shit our control of electromagnetism is.

>>717118158
are you left handed

>>717118158
Play/do something where accidental right clicks are actually detrimental and not just annoying. You'll firm up in no time.

>>717117537
>We
Speak for yourself, sheep. I just grabbed what was affordable and felt nice from Best Buy. Looking into what is le "best" mouse/keyboard is giga gay and only done for ebic gamer cred

>>717118158
weak muscle control

>>717118158
Do you have a hoof? Don't rest your fucking fingers on your buttons so heavily.

>>717117437 (OP)
Heavy mouse was a trend too because people retardedly think heavy means well built like some wannabe 40's boomer and people just got better at having steadier hands without weight
>>717117992
Glad mice got their IEM moment in the past years so now you have very good options at low prices

>>717118231
CRTs used ultra precise magnets to direct their electron guns, we can bring it back.

>>717118059
modern wireless mice have absolutely 0 perceivable delay, you're imaging it

>>717117437 (OP)
I like my mouse with weight.

>>717117978
>wired cables
as opposed to wireless cables?

>>717118427
It's not just imperceptible. Light (wireless) is the fastest thing in the universe so I don't get where this wireless bad meme even came from.

>>717117437 (OP)
millenials too strong
zoomers too weak

>>717117978
>no one in pro cs uses wired cables

And?

>>717118395
>Glad mice got their IEM moment in the past years so now you have very good options at low prices
Even the high end stuff is super cheap, razer's only magnisum mouse's price costs something like $300usd, a chinese one that's almost exactly the same is $80, there's no fucking reason a mouse should cost $800 on stockx that's artificial scarcity bullshit.

Heavier = higher quality
simple as

>>717118680
>t. american

>>717118427
>>717118578
Wireless emitters and receivers take longer to process data than a direct connection you fucking idiots.

>>717118680
>>717118768
is this why all americans are so fat?

serious question to all these holey-mouse players:
how do you keep this shit clean??

>>717118680
f-250 owner right there

>>717118894
Grime disappears into the mouse. It's a self solving non-issue.

>>717117437 (OP)
My current mouse from 2009 predates both styles. The plastic is well worn, but I'm slightly fond of it. It's been with me through 4 desktops.
Thanks for listening to my Ted Talk

>>717117437 (OP)
only time i would want a heavier mouse is if the wire is so dense that it moves the mouse on its own.
not really a problem these days with softer cables.

>>717118894
Oh and I forgot to add that no one actually buy let alone use those mice. They are pure ad bait.

>>717118943
As a smoker this is just too true I don't get ash on my hands anymore.

>>717118894
you don't, I have a hole mouse and it's just perpetually disgusting and hairy inside its little honeycomb pattern

i got the logitech superlight pro and couldnt believe how light it was I thought i got ripped off paying like $80 for a plastic toy

after using it for a few months now though I feel like even this is too heavy... we must go LIGHTER

also I'm scared to to imagine what going back to my old mouse would be like

>>717118894
this >>717118943
its not a big deal
but still hole mice are kinda a fading trend, these days there's holeless chinese mice that are like 38g

or the bottom will be exposed like lamzu but not the top

>>717118076
Literally "speed holes" lmao

>>717118768
>>717118867
>>717118895
shrinkflation ass bitches, enjoy charging your mouse every day because they needed a lighter battery

>>717119079
>enjoy charging your mouse every day because they needed a lighter battery
It's not that bad, once every week for me right now, my stupid smart watch needed power every 20 hours.

>>717119079
Gramps, I'm sure you're against wireless headphones too so here's a freebie: I do have to charge mine every day or they'll start whining next day. However, a wireless mouse lives for weeks on a single charge and if you forget you can charge it while you take a piss and it'll last another day and then some.

>>717119041
its like 60+ g which is on the heavy side for most mice these days lol
common 60$ aliexpress chinese mice like mchose a7/l7 are like 40g now

>>717119079
Average wireless mouse cost well over $150 for 15 of the last 20 years, the fact it's attainable, with such amazing speeds, for under $100 now, is amazing.

>>717119043
The thing is that while light mice are great it seems that extrapolating that into "any mice that is lighter is better" might be wrong. There seems there is something that's just "light enough" which is around the weight of the superlight or so.

Are there any chinkmice shaped and sized like Logitech G305 or Razer Orochi but also much lighter?

>>717119294
>she is tethered to her computer

>>717119079
i charge mine like every 2 weeks
weighs 50grams btw

I wish I had bought 5 or more of these fuckers to last me a few decades, no other mouse felt more comfortable with my big hands

>>717117437 (OP)
Having a heavy af mouse kinda trained my wrists and nowadays I don't suffer from tendinitis anymore

>>717119410
Something from attack shark all their mice are just 1:1 ripoffs of razer shapes

Corsair have the shittiest peripherals of all time. Their mice and keyboards are fucking trash.

90s->early 00s
>super fucking heavy mice, super chonky keyboards
>created the entire made up practice of "ergonomics" and sitting like a robot to hopefully mitigate wrist death

>>717117796
Vertical mice.

>>717119739
I know some people who use those, for "ergonomics" and limpwrist syndrome reasons, yes one is a tranny.

>>717119719
>>717119790
why should I listen to someone whose closest friend is a tranny?

>>717119790
>yes one is a tranny
ok...?

>>717119632
I had a k70 when it first came out, when the mechanical market was limited it was pretty much the best you could have, aside from that one keyboard I agree with your statement

>>717118578
my nigga wireless does not work off light. it's radio waves

>>717117993
Ditto, you could control the mouse with your palm back then, now you must have it on a table, usually with a pad, too.
Objectively a downgrade, yet it caught on. Still don't understand why.

>>717117993
There was something satisfying about cleaning a ball mouse every single day.

>>717117437 (OP)
Having a heavy mouse made sense in the era of wires because it kept the mouse from drifting.

>>717119893
>>717119854
It's worth noting, I spend 20 hours a day at my pc and have never had wrist issues so ergonomics is made up wokeshit

>>717119972
Visible light is just electromagnetic waves of a specific range of wavelengths
Radio is another range of wavelengths but still electromagnetic waves
i.e. light == radio
It all moves at the speed of light

>>717117437 (OP)
>Remember when people would purposefully put more weight into their mouse?

It was a solution looking for a problem, logishit needed some new gimmick like raytracing to sell their products.

>>717120130
Why would I ever use a mouse that has a time limit before the battery dies when I can just plug it in and literally never worry about it failing?

>>717117437 (OP)
Realistically it's preference at the end of the day. People who think it actually makes a difference just fell for marketing. The shape of your mouse matters way more than anything in accordance with your hand size and grip.

>>717120248
idk these days wireless mice as so seamless tho, the receiver is on your desk within arms reach, you use it for more than a week and then u get a popup notification saying its under 5% battery
you move your arm a bit and unplug from the reciever, into the mouse, you now have a wired mouse for 2-3 hours, pop it back in and its wireless again, its seamless, where's the "worry"?

>>717117537
The objective advantage comes from each gram shaved meaning that you are fucking up your wrist less on the long term.

>>717120338
It's a mouse for my desktop. It doesn't leave the desk. Why should it need to be wireless when it's spending its lifetime on a stationary mousepad?

People who want heavy mice for 'muh control' are wrong. What you actually want is a right sized mouse that is as light as possible with a slow mousepad (aka a control pad), like a QcK heavy. Or if cost isn't an issue an Artisan Zero.

Pic related is by far the best gaming mouse I've used in a decade. Its not perfect and I'd like if they'd add a removable cable next version, but its features more than make up for its weight. Massive features unlike almost anything else
>Button location is great and all are tactile and feel differently/shaped differently
>Main L/R click, the secondary half-length buttons, and the knuckle buttons are all haptic analog where you can set different functions depending on how hard you press
>Tilt left and right is another input. If you put a widget on to turn it into a joystick basically, you can have it tilt all directions for flight game if you give up movement.
>OLED on the side that can be useful for a number of things
>Even has a Linux driver/config utility in beta but it works

>>717117870
Real GaMeRs tied an onion to our belts!

>>717120461
0 cable drag

>>717117796
Buttonless mice.
Why do you even have buttons on there?
Move them all to the keyboard.

>>717120508
Been using a G500 for a decade and never had the cable affect shit.

>>717120007
>Objectively a downgrade, yet it caught on. Still don't understand why.
Because normgroids don't understand cleaning shit. They get gunk on the mouse ball, and it doesn't work as well as it did when they bought it, and instead of cleaning said gunk off, they have a mini ragey, throw it away, and buy a new one.

>>717120649
you feel that way cause you're used to it, when you get used to wireless, my wireless mouse broke (still pissed about this) rmad it, using my old wired, noticed the cable right away, it feels less free idk, you have to un-teather yourself to notice what you're missing out on, one of those things..

>>717120751
Do these people never clean their houses? Mine's a huge mess, but even I know how to dust.

>>717118814
Not true, modern wifi based receivers have less latency than the USB protocol does. If you still had a PS/2 mouse then maybe you would have an edge in latency over modern wireless.

>>717119632
My K100 is doing fine and so are my headphones.

>>717117437 (OP)
The best gaming mouse is the one you can buy from your electronics store for like $10-20 and feels just right in your hand.
It's also meta for throwing across the room during tense gamer moments. You can even put them back together without having to hot glue the 900 buttons on the side, only 3 whole buttons.

>>717120751
My high school had old ball mouses, the first thing I would do was pop off the bottom and clean the two bars.

>>717119472
Try the zowie ec1-dw, they are made for big hands.

>>717120769
I love my old mouse, but I might just give a wireless one a try sometime to feel the difference. Thanks for the info

>>717121310
just remember to buy one of those with the receiver separated so it sits on your desk, not for latency or any such bs for convenience so when u do have to charge you just reach across your desk vs fiddling in the back of the PC, almost all of them come like that these days but u never know..

>>717117437 (OP)
Light weight gets shilled because less mass = cheaper materials and amount of material.
To achieve light weight they sacrifice durability/longitvity, a feature of course.

>>717118418
for a hefty price

The weight argument is cocksuck and 100% probably marketing gimmick. If the weight of a mouse tires you out compared to the 12-15 pounds of your entire fucking arm you have legitimate medical problems. If the weight of the mouse is causing long session joint strains, compared to the 12-15 pounds of an arm, you have serious legitimate medical problems.
You're holding the fucking thing.
If you are unable to manipulate the amount of mouse weight pressing on the pad without lifting off you have, again, serious medical problems.

I guarantee you. Absolutely guarantee, 30 grams of difference is god's dick all of nothing in the entire equation.
Sand your mousepad down with 1000, 3000, 5000, 8000 grit, install new teflon feet on the mouse and sand THOSE down to 8000 grit, then tell me again if the fucking weight matters at all.

Because weight IS NOT stiction, and friction can be controlled via simply and cheap sanding modification.
The weight argument is retard shit for rwtard people.

>>717120073
>>717117993
we wuz ball cleaners n sheit

>>717118321
Different anon, here. Holding modern mice is a fucking nightmare with all the extra buttons all over the place, and extra demand from modern games requiring you to move it quickly and precisely. Used to be you could grip the sides harder, but now a lot of that space is taken up by buttons vital for gameplay. The left and right clickers used to be smaller, too, giving you more free space to handle the top side of the mouse.

>>717121527
not necessarily... I think its harder to engineer mice with that super thin plastic and not have it crack and keep integrity

versus yknow using thick plastic with no regard for weight and calling it a day, plastic is cheaper than air in china nigga

>>717121714
you are retarded
put your pacifier back in kid

>>717121714
Also a heavier mouse provides MORE control because of how the human body's feedback mechanisms work.

There's a reason racing drivers for example, and sim racers, prefer strong gas pedals and crazy strong brake pedals. The resistance lets the body control applied force.

>>717120152
But... It's what hands crave!

>>717121829
Shut up you gay nigger piece of shit immigrant black street shitter. I run a weighted/balanced g502 i have for over ten years and my performance is consistently phenomenal.

>>717122014
Proof?

>>717122164
Do you have a source to back that up?

weighted mouse were only a thing for casuals

>>717121774
They don't drill holes in after, they put pegs in before the plastic dries. Cracking should be a non-issue for them.

As anyone who has studied the methods of Judo will tell you, weight balance is the most important part of moving any object.

Your mouse can be 10 grams but if its ten grams at your fingertips it's going to be worse than a 90 gram mouse with weight center where your thumb and pinky sit.

>>717120479
My mouse is both the right size and "heavy" by modern standards. In fact, I took my mouse apart to clean it a while back and was disgusted by just what came through the mouse wheel hole. But there was also weights attached to the inside of the shell that I could easily remove. I didn't remove them, which confuses and enrages the zoomer.

>>717117437 (OP)
Remember when people didn't try to min-max every tiny aspect of their lives to play video games competitively and instead just had fun?

>>717122857
This is the result of streamer culture and zoomers being deathly afraid of peer pressure

>>717123079
No you dont get it if I just keep getting wins I can make 400 grand a year from sucking off the jewish corporate interests and never have to actually work.

>>717121135
>this looks nic-
>$250
If I waned to waste that much money on a mouse I'd just buy another G9-X at the scalpers scam prices.

>literally not a single ambidextrous mouse with side buttons (on both sides) available anymore
fuck this gay earth

Heavy mice are fine if the weight balanced across the whole mouse
It's unusable when all the weight is on one side

>>717117437 (OP)
Uhhh, why would I not put weights in my mouse? If anything I want my mouse to be heavier, I've literally reached top 20 in the world in a competitive shooter (wont say which one because it'll dox me), and reached max rank in just about every other aim based shooter/BR with a ranking system at least once.

I play with a DPI of 1000 and universal CS2 Sens of 5 (I don't main CS at all just for reference since that's a common to understand sens convert) what clowns are saying lighter is better?

>>717123567
why did u take a pic of that mid looking thing, arab kebab?

>>717117437 (OP)
>these days
People were looking for light mice back then too, retard. Turns out that not everybody wants the same thing, retard part 2.

>>717125447
no one is selling weighted mice anymore though so clearly no one wants them anymore, faux comparison

>>717125531
uuhmmm you aren't supposed to point that out

>>717117437 (OP)
I still use my Logitech G5, I like a little weight on it.

>>717125531
>Someone sells X
>Someone else sells Y, hoping to find a tangential, effectively separate untapped corner of the market
>Turns out that corner also eventually went over to X
>Stop selling Y
Common occurrence.

>>717117437 (OP)
I got one of those mice a few weeks back
put all the weights in
my hand is stronger now
can open pickle jars for days

>>717118231
Genuinely stupid

Bravo

>>717125531
They simply sold at the wrong time. Now it's the age of streamers and all the zoomers see ultralight mice being peddling by them. So they automatically assume it will make them better at FPS games. Some even with the delusion of "going pro". So it's trendy and it also saves the hardware sellers money when they can sell you objectively less of a product for a higher price.

tl;dr - We've reached the hardware equivalent of the japanese idol industry

>>717120958
dont most people use wireless mouses with usb dongles

>>717125531
as if anybody had any input in that

If only the skeleton wasn't so bare bones. I'd fuck with it.

>>717120418
no, basic bitch exercise will prevent that.

>>717118894
you are supposed to just buy a new one when it gets too dirty

>>717118053
That's a terrible idea because friction reduction isn't the goal. Pro gamers use the slowest, muddiest pads for their head clicking games. You want a light mouse to make it quick and easy to move and manually adjust pressure, not to make it slide easier.

>>717117437 (OP)
>remember
I'm still using my fully weighted G502 though?

>>717121729
Are you talking about MMO mice? Those aren't exactly common. Your typical gaming mouse is just 4 buttons+wheel. If you're accidentally hitting side buttons you have the wrong mouse for your grip.

>>717117437 (OP)
I have this exact mouse
But I don't understand yet if weights help me it not

>>717121923
That's why you use a slow mouse pad, dingus. Maximum resistance when you want it, minimum resistance when you slightly lift to flick fast and stop on a pin point. The lighter your mouse the less you have to tense up to stop quickly.

>>717117537
I can't tell if you're just baiting or are actually stupid, but it's common sense that the lighter something is, the less momentum it has, so the easier it is to start moving and stop moving. (It effectively makes it more responsive.) Of course the average fortnite kiddie won't be nearly good enough for it to matter, but it's idiotic to imply there isn't an obvious advantage to it.
t. someone that likes heavy mouses because they're more comfortable

>logitech G502 Hero

I put in all the weights it came with and have been using it that way since forever.

>>717127186
>turn on mouse
>it flies away
Why put a fan in there and leave holes big enough to fit pocket change through?

>>717126789
You weren't supposed to point that out, bro...

>>717119472
my g9x died about a year ago after over a decade of service
makes me real sad, I still miss that little guy

>>717128204
>le common sense
Sure buy another 100 gamer mice, brainiac.

>>717128407
>proving you can't read more than one sentence

>>717118678
>You need cables
>you don't
>and?
Kill yourself

>>717127186
nawk tuah

>>717126259
>>717126836
It's pro gamers, largely thanks to Zowie and old pros favoring the MS IM Explorer.
Mouse makers had direct input from pro players for what they wanted, and what they wanted was lighter mice with a handful of shapes they were used to and liked. Then other brands followed suit and kept iterating on the same design philosophy.
Wireless turned out to be a hit once tech got good enough, and lighter mice performed better so the RGB cack and customizable weight gimmicks got pruned to just make basic mice but better. People like to follow what the pros do because clearly what they do works, and it turns out that lighter mice just feel better to play with.

Today we have gotten past that experimental phase and most mice follow very similar design principles, but you still have some really wild, unique shapes if you venture outside the mainstream brands. If you really want a heavy mouse just glue weights onto the inside of the shell or something. It's better customization than building retarded cradles into the mouse anyway.

>>717128209
>ZJ
what?

>>717128626
that would unironically work, your forarm muscles would be able to aim faster and more reliably after taking out the weights in your mouse

>>717117437 (OP)
MMO mice are still unmatched and once you go MMO mouse, you can never go back

>>717128626
>>717128938
no it wouldn't, it would fuck your muscle memory since the force that goes in to make a certain movement is no longer the same
t. used to use a heavy mouse, now use a honey comb chinesium one

you're not making any gainz from a heavy mouse, and if youre so weak you need gainz to move a computer mouse you have bigger problems

>>717128204
Heavy mice are more comfortable because the ratio of mass to friction isn't linear against a soft mouse pad. Essentially, you actually need less muscle force applied to effectively stop a heavier mouse, especially if you have a particular kind of skates. You don't need to press it down as much, so you're activating fewer muscles while playing casually. Though it becomes more difficult to lift, and to stop it accurately as you need to tense more during a very fast (peak of your performance) flick unless you dig it into the pad.

>>717117437 (OP)
I don't give a fuck what pros say or do.
I have carpal tunnel so why would I use a heavy mouse?

>>717129093
Mmno I know how to use a keyboard with my left hand

>>717129093
i liked the razer naga.
12 thumb buttons is unironically the best thing.
only downside is that razer keeps fucking with it, so now you can ONLY get it wireless, and ONLY with the removable side panel, and ONLY with the useless scroll wheel wiggle buttons.
i want the old OG naga back, where it was wired, had 12 side buttons, and a scroll wheel that didn't wiggle and suddenly fling you down half a page.
i only 'upgraded' because the build quality on razers gear is dogshit, and after replacing the scroll wheel encoder, both mouse buttons, and the cable, the mainboard finally gave up the ghost and blew a few tracks, which no matter how carefully i jumper wired over, still wouldn't talk to the computer (probably fried a microcontroller).
so now i've had 2 naga trinities, both of which had the pogopin contacts for the side panels fail, despite never removing the 12 key side panel, first one i tried directly soldering to the contacts, but that only lasted a few more months before crapping out again.

i miss when $80 was considered a ridiculously expensive mouse.

>>717117537
i prefer a heavier mouse

>>717128209
Same. I have 502 Lightspeed.

>>717127186
>his mouse isn't watercooled
ishygddt

Didnt we have this exact thread on /g/? Also MX Master 3 is still king

>>717128204
>the lighter something is, the less momentum it has
The word you are looking for is "intertia" you pseudointellectual faggot.

>>717127186
I would unironically consider it if it had an unlockable scroll wheel for infinite doomscrolling

>>717117537
mouse enthusiast here with dozens of mice and I have thousands of hours in kovaaks. a lighter mouse makes a considerable difference at higher levels of aiming but once you get below 40g there isn't much of a difference. shape is much more important depending on your grip style

>>717117771
my g903 still lasts a whole month with all the lights turned off after 4 years of all day use

>>717117437 (OP)
>Remember when people would purposefully put more weight into their mouse? Fucking wild, these days people are shaving plastic off to save a gram
Because back then all mice were marketed with extremely high DPI laser sensors with mouse acceleration as a perk. The only way to control a high DPI beast with mouse acceleration was to fill it with lead.

>>717117585
fym comfy bro its a mouse how fucking obese are you

As someone who grew up with ball mice, the ultra-light ones feel incredibly uncomfortable, like there's no feedback.

>>717132113
>with mouse acceleration as a perk
That never happened

>>717119472
>left handed mouse
Disgusting

>>717120492
I always heard that most analog buttons on mice or keyboards just don't work too well.
Like there was that analog mechanical keyboard a few years back that really ended up not being all that useful because very little software actually worked with it without jerry rigging.

>>717117437 (OP)
I can't remember where I put those extra weights. I guess I'll buy another 502 when this one breaks

>>717132534
My sweet summer child. It must be so bizzare to be a zoomer or gen-alpha kid.

>>717117437 (OP)
I have carpal tunnel syndrome bc of this

>>717132556
Get your eyes checked zoomer

>>717132534
back in the roller mouse days you didn't get any acceleration so playing games you'd like swing that shit at full speed and lift it up so it'd keep rolling and then catch it at exactly the right time to stop turning. shit was crazy.

>>717131484
Nobody else can do this because Logitech or whomever the fuck has a patent on it, stupidly.

>>717133308
>zoomers will never know the joy and satisfying feeling of taking the cover off, dropping the ball out and cleaning off the gunk built up on the rollers to see a sudden huge increase in mouse accuracy

>>717133303
Right-handed mice have the cumfartzone no the right size. It is a left-hand mouse you blind boomer.

trackball mice were fucking AWFUL uncs, they were just awful tech compared to optical, especially these days

you can always buy smth like this
but basically no one puts em on the bottom of mice anymore because yeah its crap it gets gunked up and its just bad accuracy

>>717132610
>Analog
Well, separating keyboards and mice...

>Keyboards
This is the big one where "HE" hall effect analog (and before that optical and other analog tech) has been slowly coming in. This is where shit was cumbersome as you said because it was proprietary software that needed to jam stuff into exes in order to have the functionality work etc. This IS slowly changing - look up Gateron Jade for instance and there are HE analog switches that are "generic hotswap" made for keyboard mobos that support them and they hav ethe same caps as MX. Now the keebs that support them are relatively few, and some - be it Glorious or Keychron sometimes have proprietary HE switches and can oly use those types and need their own software to make it work. However, this is changing more and more as we're seeing "generic" usage HE switches being normalized and added to software/firmware/config like QMK/ZMK and others. So I expect it to be easier this and next year to get one that works well - some existing ones CAN work but it depends on the implementation especially the proprietary shit, but the open generic FOSS stuff is coming and is far more for it

Also keyboard travel is only so far - a HE switch only matters if you're doing something besides bottoming out the switch every time you actuate it. Its harder to learn - consider you want to have your character walk when you press "W' down to 50%-99% and run when its 100% bottomed out, thats a small amount of travel you'd have to learn. Its doable but
>Mice are more useful and easier
Just like mice with Analog Sticks on them, analog keys on mice are easier to use. The swiftpoint even has a setup where you can set exactly what level of pressure you want it to activate and the little screen details that you're currently pressing it to 40% right now. Of course you don't have to use the analog features, but they are pretty useful and the drivers are decent too though even for Linux I want to see FOSS everythin

>>717133718
>let me tell you about a mouse I've never used
Okay revisionist zoomer

>>717132610
most pros use wooting keyboard nowadays

>>717118076
Id do this but it would probably get nasty with dust inside, would have to cover it up with tape or something from the inside. I did manage to make some inside it though, with a flat tip soldering iron.

By the way on the weight topic if anyone is interested, you can use the Dualsense without a battery if you take out the PCB board on any battery designed for the controller and use it by just having it plugged in, you just have to cut the red wire. Pic related was how it looked while testing and it works, although haptics probably don't work cause of no power source.

>>717117771
>>717117925
NTA, but I need the cable for a different reason.

>>717134442
As an aside i'm a bit annoyed with wireless controllers that have different features when wired and wireless. DualSense is one example with I think HD haptics / adaptive triggers and I think also using the 3.5mm jack for a headset.

>>717135398
I dunno about other controllers, but yeah it is fucking annoying especially how the DS4 didn't need this convoluted solution and it just worked with no battery.
I removed the haptics because of weight and never using vibration, and the small trigger motors as well cause they felt like I was charging pic related with one finger instead of something good.

Mouse weight is just a juden marketing ploy to save up on manufacturing costs. Who the fuck cares if a mouse is 60 or 90 grams? It's such an insignificant amount that you have to be a real shitter to actually care about that. ''Oh boy I can't aim for shit because this mouse is one AA battery too heavy'' lmao get real.

>>717117437 (OP)
>tfw I will never have a beyblade mouse
Bros...

>>717118076
>>717119078
lmao. That's a croc mouse at this point.

>>717133652
I used to have those mouses. They were alright.

>>717120492
>removable cable
>batteries for a device that lives on a desk
for what purpose.

>>717136273
there's more freedom of movement on wireless mice

>>717127186
is the fan for the mouse or your hands? kinda nice to have a fan on for people with sweaty hands

>>717117662
this, i am so sick of my friends throwing a match because their mouse died and they're scrambling to plug it in

>>717136329
What ass backwards set up are you employing where your cables are restricting your movement

>>717135867
There are a few others I think. I'll have to go look at the other big first parties but DualSense (and DS4 before it) had the most features that differ (I'm not sure if Switch Pro 1 had amiibo support when on BT) I think some other 3rd parties do as well. Supposedly DualSense (and DS Edge the premium version which I admit is awesome otherwise) does this because of fuckery with how Windows works with BT and how HD haptics and other stuff need that to be a USB essentially audio device but not sure if that's up to date. Same with the touchpad and the use of the mic and speaker on the controller

I'm surprised it doesn't work with a battery though at least on DS4 but I guess it was designed to always have one in there unlike say the XBOne. As far as haptics and vibration/active triggers, touchpad, mic, speaker etc... some games I know really make use of them (many of the Snoy titles first make use of it and very well. Death Stranding Director's Cut, Ghost of Tsushima DC, and I'm told others as well but I know those work well) but I can imagine not needing the features for many games so removing the motors isn't somehting I'd do but I get it.

>>717136273
Removable cable means easier storage and also better connections with less stress even if using the wired connection. The mouse comes with (well, if you bought the promo as I did) a nice cased that comes with spaces for all its swappable widgets but lack of removable cable means you have to coil the thing all around in a huge fucking loop in a certain way - case is designed for it, but still, would be nice to have a removable cable.
>battery
Wireless freedom of movement is nice and less stress caused by having the cord a long way to where its plugged in etc. Its not necessary but it is a nice option if the mouse has wireless support.

yeah i went from my old roccat kone pure to lamzu thorn

this is the lightest mouse i've used to date

>>717117437 (OP)
The lighter a mice is the better. The top scorers in aim trainers are using light mice.
If I randomly throw a ball at you at a random location, the person with bricks tied to their arms will have worse accuracy and reaction times than the person with nothing tied to their hands.
Absolutely nobody is impressed that you can arm curl 120g mice anon.

>>717117537
>>717129763
There is data that proves lighter mouse = better aim.
You are retarded. Continue being a heavy mouse shitter.

>>717137821
Yeah I barely give a shit about new features in controllers and mostly play multiplatform games in which I'm not looking for Sony quirks, just whatever works with DS4windows. I've also removed the vibration motors on the DS4, to make it similar to how a DS2 would weigh. If there was an option to also get rid of the triggers altogether and replace them with regular shoulder buttons I would as well, hated it since the DS3 and still do.

>>717122014
Nah, you're a shitter.

>>717127815
And you're trash.

>>717119162
>It's not that bad, once every week for me right now, my stupid smart watch needed power every 20 hours.
I got a health tracker recently and so many people just recommend a stupid smartwatch.
I have my $20 digital casio that I never need to charge and I beat it to shit doing my job. It could break completely and I'm out... $20 for a new one.
I got a WHOOP 5.0 band. I use my HSA to pay the "subscription" cost of $240 a year. That's pretty much the only negative. Shouldn't charge that much, but I've got 12k in my HSA and because I keep my health up I don't really have to use my HSA on more expensive things.
Perspective.
But anyways, it has a 14 day battery that I rarely think about and I don't have to take it off to charge it. You just slap this little puck thing on there for an hour and you're good for two more weeks.
Apologies to thread readers for contributing absolutely nothing to the thread

>>717139132
not true, the best aimer (matty) prefers the gpx weight of ~60g

for me, it's the vaxee e1

>>717135923
Weight matters
Mice are a precision tool just like swords
All things being equal you want a lighter sword

>>717117437 (OP)
Thankfully those dark days are over and we've reached peak mouse at 20 grams of pure fingertip mouse bliss. Though my pure sapphire skates do raise the weight to 21 grams, but they just glide so smoothly on objectively superior Cordura mousepads.

>>717136108
Actual crocodile-tier. At this point it's less "gaming mouse" and more "tiny desktop Beyblade arena." Spin-to-win ain't just a meme when your DPI button launches into orbit.

>>717125887
Mine died after like 15 years of service

>>717140685
that's still on the lighter side of mice

>mice are getting lighter
>keyboards are getting heavier
heh

>>717127186
>fans in a mouse
>obsession with shedding weight
Hovercraft mouse next.

>>717143051
I remember getting an RC hovercraft for christmas one year and it was the absolute tightest shit and no one could tell me otherwise.

>>717143594
Same. I have fond memories of seamlessly blasting out of the nearby retention pond back onto the grass and drifting around on the sidewalk.

>>717117771
>wireless anything
enjoy your 5g cancer

>>717127186
Yo, this is sick. But the holes are too big.

>>717143594
I had one but I thought it was trash. Too slow. Sucked at cornering. Once I got over the novelty of it floating on water I went back to the cars.

>>717117771
>wireless mice last a week
I change the battery on mine like once a year. And the previous mouse I had, I changed the battery like 4 times during its 10+ year lifespan. And I'm talking just a regular AA, not replacing some rechargeable one.

>>717117437 (OP)
I love my heavy mouse

>>717151391
This. I still have them in. But maybe I just enjoy heavy mice it's because I grew up with the ball mice