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Anonymous No.717127089 >>717127169 >>717127480 >>717128052 >>717128140 >>717129717 >>717130374 >>717130894 >>717134723 >>717134991 >>717135420
NOT ENOUGH DRONES. THIS IS UNREALISTIC AS FUCK.


Tanks are useless in modern warfare.
Anonymous No.717127169
>>717127089 (OP)
True
Anonymous No.717127374 >>717127946 >>717130150 >>717131194 >>717131561 >>717131853 >>717132037 >>717132245 >>717132397 >>717132797 >>717132954 >>717134378 >>717135373 >>717135937 >>717136223
Why would you want to play as some faggot controlling a little drone that blows up in people's faces

Are you Ukrainian?

Drone operators might be some of the only people going to hell with no redemption.
Anonymous No.717127480
>>717127089 (OP)
Blud thinks he's a genius of modern warfare
Anonymous No.717127715
Video games are for fun.
Anonymous No.717127946 >>717129809
>>717127374
Get with the time bitch.
Anonymous No.717128052
>>717127089 (OP)
>THIS IS UNREALISTIC AS FUCK
Please show me the military fodder personell that can laserbeam an automatic rifle onto a target for the whole mag beyond 10 feed. Then we can discuss "realistic".
Anonymous No.717128109 >>717128883 >>717129532 >>717130480 >>717130776 >>717133096
Why are tech bros hyping up drones so much? It'd take one missile strike to destroy thier control center and another to destroy the enemies means to produce them
Anonymous No.717128140
>>717127089 (OP)
drones are gay, which is why only recon can use them
Anonymous No.717128840 >>717133218
I remember way back when people were like
>Battlefield 2? Now THAT'S a realistic game, not like CoD 2, piss baby game
>ArmA II? Now THAT'S a realistic game, not like Battlefield 2, piss baby game
>ArmA III? Now THAT'S a realistic game, not like ArmA II, piss baby game
>Squad? Now THAT'S ...
So on and so forth

but desu, if games were like real war (Ukraine-Russia war at least) it would be you walking 2 hours into the enemy trenches or being hauled by an IFV and 20 players with drones trying to hunt you down and artillery raining down while you walk. Then a 2 hour shootout inside a trench and you win when you take the trench.
doesn't sound fun in all honesty
Anonymous No.717128883 >>717129626 >>717131703
>>717128109
Ukrainian FPV drones are responsible for more than 65% of destroyed Russian tanks.
Anonymous No.717129532 >>717130081
>>717128109
The Russians were so tired of getting BTFO by superior western electronic warfare jamming their drones, that they started attaching spools of fiber optic cable to them to control them wired. Now they have drones that can be deployed stealthily from anywhere that are unjammable and don't necessarily give away position because lone operators or small teams can cut the wire and bug out. Fiber optic drones are gonna be a mainstay in all future conflicts, they're too versatile and hard to counter.
Anonymous No.717129626
>>717128883
That says more about Russia than drone
Anonymous No.717129717
>>717127089 (OP)
>Tanks are useless in modern warfare.
it's funny that it took until the great pig roasting of smo for plebs to realize this, when it had already been long proven back in 2016 in syria
Anonymous No.717129809
>>717127946
Who is this time bitch, and how do I get with her?
Anonymous No.717130081 >>717130238 >>717130268 >>717130845
>>717129532
>Fiber optic drones are gonna be a mainstay in all future conflicts, they're too versatile and hard to counter.
That's evident from the fact that Ukraine's response was to start using fiber-optic drones too. I feel like Europe and America are largely disinterested in ending the war, they want to exhaust Russia as well as see what kinds of advancements and novel tactics can arise in a modern peer war.
Anonymous No.717130150
>>717127374
>MUH HONORABLE COMBAT
Retard
Anonymous No.717130238 >>717130784 >>717131909
>>717130081
hohols and hoholistan aren't peers with russia, not even with westoid gayfo money weapons and satellites, they're nowhere close to it, hoholistan is a roving band of militias compared to the russian military
Anonymous No.717130268
>>717130081
>see what kinds of advancements and novel tactics can arise in a modern peer war.
What novel tactics? The Ukies and Ruskies devolved back to trench warfare, kek.
Anonymous No.717130324 >>717131078
If the Israel/Iran conflict is to be seen, drones only work if both countries are third world shit holes like Russia and Ukraine. When Iran tried drone spam it almost immediately got shot down, and Iran resorted to ballistic missiles to get hits on Israel
Anonymous No.717130374
>>717127089 (OP)
>another thinly veiled hohol/zigger chimp out thread
Nuke everything east of Poland
Anonymous No.717130480 >>717130896
>>717128109
half people who never paid attention to warfare before the current events suddenly seeing a bunch of fpv videos on their feed and not realizing they're looking at a war between two broke post-soviet shitholes and not a modern peer conflict.
half thirdies desperately hoping for an hms dreadnaught moment where a revolutionary "new" technology upends the balance of power and invalidates the west's qualitative advantages.
Anonymous No.717130776 >>717133059
>>717128109
Because Ukrainians were able to pearl harbor an air base in Russia with drones that were insanely cheap compared to the damage they caused
Anonymous No.717130784 >>717131424 >>717132031 >>717132506
>>717130238
>hohols and hoholistan aren't peers with russia, not even with westoid gayfo money weapons and satellites
Except they are because Russia is choosing to fight with one hand behind their back. A fully mobilized Russian war machine with the whole population pitching in would easily sweep through western backed Ukraine, but Russia is not doing that for some reason, even though Europe has demonstrated that collectively they do not have the manufacturing capability to match Russia's, nor is America committed to a ground war. It's a peer war, albeit with handicaps.
Anonymous No.717130789 >>717131130 >>717131364
I never fucking understood the people who see a battlefield full of flying explosives with both sides scrambling to get their hands on anything with treads and a cannon and think "clearly less armor between the soldiers and flying explosives is what we need, tanks are obsolete"
Anonymous No.717130790
Are the Russians and Ukrainians still fighting? How have they not run out of tanks and ammos yet?
Anonymous No.717130845
>>717130081
if anything, Russia wants it to continue too, they have their own MIC and, all in all, Putin would leave as a hero: he neutralized Ukraine and NATO's expansion and he won the war. Ever since the failure of the first 2 weeks Putin (and the higher level of Russia's political and military sphere) have prepared themselves for a long war of attrition. They can support it as long as they can keep the money flowing from China (and it seems like it will). Also the closer ties between both countries makes it a virtuous cycle, Russia provides resources and China provides manufacture (most drone parts come from there, as well as machine parts, iron/steel, fiber optics, motors, etc...). What Russia fears is a demographic collapse and losing too many working-age men is the ticking bomb.

Europe is paying for most of Ukraine's armament after Trump strongarmed them and it's not even cheap so the longer this goes the more they lose too, but they can't negotiate with Russia after all that has happened, all they can do is hope for the best and exhaust Russia. If Russia wins, they will feel humiliated and defeated, they also know Russia doesn't want direct confrontation with them, but inciting one might help them since Russia would be overextended.

The US MIC wants it to keep going so they can keep selling weapons, but Trumps wants it to end so he can look like a hero internationally. The interests aren't the same between all the sectors inside the US, also you have to keep in mind that Trump has given up in Europe, he sees them as vassals, all he wants is to win over China to secure US hegemony.

Ukraine needs this to continue for obvious reasons since there's a 1% chance that they win Luhansk, Donetsk or Crimea back, at least they need to negotiate in favourable conditions. As a matter of fact, I would say that Ukraine hasn't moved in negotiations.

All in all, it's not about experimentation, but a sinking costs fallacy.
Anonymous No.717130894
>>717127089 (OP)
Ah yes bring back the old MAV days of BF3. Now that was TRUE warfare!
Anonymous No.717130896 >>717131293 >>717132168
>>717130480
Wasn't the dreadnought hyped up but became obsolete before any great power wars could test it out?
Anonymous No.717131078
>>717130324
It's a war of attrition of air defenses and constant adaptation,the Iran/Israel conflict didn't last long enough.
Russia builds 200 Geran a day and launches them every other day, and geran a few weeks from each other have often completely overhauled guidance and communication and tactics, meanwhile ukraine also has to scale up interceptor and constantly adapt AA tactics.
Anonymous No.717131130
>>717130789
Because modern warfare is about (BVR) Beyond-Visual-Range combat lonnnngg before the introduction of drones.

Basically you find the target and deliver the mother of all Alpha Strike before they can respond
Anonymous No.717131194
>>717127374
>Why would you want to... control a little drone that blows up in people's faces
remote controlled flying bombs are cool.
Anonymous No.717131293
>>717130896
sure but that's just because there weren't any big great power conflicts for it to fight in until a decade later
the point is that it was seen as obsoleting everything that came before it, invalidating previous buildups and giving rival powers a chance to start fresh. its impact on planning and thinking is why its important not the combat record of one boat
Anonymous No.717131364
>>717130789
you realize even when armor was new and relevant it still required air superiority or someone would just drop something on them
one is a big a shitbox you can barely hide and the soldiers can scatter or crawl or hide in terrain, why do you think all of Russia's armor has been obliterated?
Anonymous No.717131424 >>717131909
>>717130784
>but Russia is not doing that for some reason
because putin himself is a hohol, that's why russia's official stance is that of "hohols are russian" when both the actual russian people and especially hohols themselves vehemently reject the notion outright, plus he wants to try to minimize the amount of rubble he will have to rebuild once hoholistan is finally crushed and every last hohol is dead and the west is fully bankrupted and out of munitions and materiel
Anonymous No.717131462 >>717131781
>realistic modern warfare game would be drone operators launching little gay fiberoptic quadcopters 50 km from the frontline
worst timeline
Anonymous No.717131561
>>717127374
Welcome to WAR, bitch. The only thing that matters is you standing.
Anonymous No.717131703
>>717128883
Thats why Russia is winning against half the world?
Anonymous No.717131781
>>717131462
Don't worry, in the near future the actual piloting job will be left to the AI in the computer the fiber optic drone is conected to, the operator's job will be purely a mechanic's one and to set up the drone.
Anonymous No.717131853
>>717127374
Get rekt tankcuck. Toy planes owns the skies now.
Anonymous No.717131909
>>717130238
>>717131424
Anonymous No.717132031 >>717132782
>>717130784
won't happen
the upper and "middle" classes of Russia are not going to be conscripted to fight because Putin knows shielding the people of Moscow and St. Petersburg from actually participating is the only thing keeping the people from freaking out about this war and being happy with what he is doing. Remember he sent fucking North Koreans before conscripting a single person from Moscow.
Anonymous No.717132037 >>717132578 >>717132774
>>717127374
there's nothing wrong with drones themselves, not all drones are hohol-style munitions droppers on already fatally wounded and dying pows for snuff films, that's just how the satan spawn that are the hohols choose to use them, which is perfectly aligned with their non-humanity
what's even more telling is that even though drones were already being used extensively on the battlefield for over 10 years in syria beforehand, the fact that they weren't being recognized by normalniggers because they weren't being used as loitering munitions droppers (outside of isis, no coincidence there that both westoid supplied and funded and manned terrorist groups both immediately use drones in the same subhuman way) means that normalniggers are subhumans who only get their neurons activated when subhuman shit is happening
Anonymous No.717132168
>>717130896
>Wasn't the dreadnought hyped up but became obsolete before any great power wars could test it out?
The Qing Dynasty had a pair of them but they got encircled and fucked by a squadron of cruisers and destroyers half their size with better supply lines. That was more of a case where corruption fucked the dudes on the front because the nobility was spending too much time being a bunch of YOLO sprouting decadents.
Anonymous No.717132245
>>717127374
well why wouldn't you? are you stupid?
Anonymous No.717132397
>>717127374
That's a sacrifice I'm willing to live with if it means you vatniggers suffer
Anonymous No.717132506
>>717130784
>Russia is choosing to fight with one hand behind their back
Just two more days, comrades!
Anonymous No.717132578 >>717132904 >>717132953
>>717132037
>Wildlands and by extension Breakpoint showed where drone warfare was heading
Minus the discount Metal Gears the actual pocket drone that you can toss out was insanely useful. It was a scout, flying EMP and easy birdstriker if you didn't feel like specing into the explosives route. Then you had the predator drones that the Wolves themselves would use as tracker that you would send a fireteam out if you don't throw yourself in the mud Arine style. Too high up to shoot but it moves in one direction so you can sidestep it if you're fast enough.
Anonymous No.717132774 >>717133131
>>717132037
Drones back then were expensive and because of that were used high alt for surveillance. They were also all fixed winged which are far less agile, especially in low altitude terrain. The Ukraine drones cost the military like 80$ to rig up not including the bomb. You can buy one yourself they come straight from china. No brainer the usage has changed significantly.
Anonymous No.717132782
>>717132031
Current contract system + another 2022-like partial mobilisation can very likely bring another million soldier, especially since worsening economic situation will make people more likely to sign, not less.
There doesn't seem to be any fix (only mitigation) to Ukraine's manpower situation so from that point of view russian manpower is generally not seen as an issue in the near term.
Doesn't mean the russians will achieve breakthrough tho, because of drones and fortifications.
Anonymous No.717132797 >>717132985 >>717133328
>>717127374
>be russia
>invade a sovereign country
>the people getting invaded devise cheap tactics to fight the invasion
>this somehow makes the people getting invaded the bad guys
putin simps are so fucking weird man
they just cry about pookraine all day every day, and it's like, if you fucking hate pookraine so much then why are you trying to occupy their entire country and enslave all of their people
Anonymous No.717132904
>>717132578
>was heading
it showed where it already was more like, the leaked JSOC videos showed them using explosive fpvs in iraq
Anonymous No.717132953
>>717132578
even rainbow six siege has drones as an integral part of the gameplay loop, but they're rolling canisters with a camera that can also somehow jump (never really understood by what mechanism they supposedly do this, but it's there)
Anonymous No.717132954
>>717127374
War doesn't determine whose right only whose left standing. Drones > every other explosive we have.
Anonymous No.717132985 >>717133328 >>717133328
>>717132797
>why are you trying to occupy their entire country and enslave all of their people
something something NAZIS
Anonymous No.717133059
>>717130776
Funny part is it's directly copied out of a mission in Ace Combat 7.
Anonymous No.717133096 >>717133320
>>717128109
Missiles can easily be intercepted, and the people making the drones are either hidden in country or untouchable outside (Its China).

Drones are dirt cheap and hyper accurate, they're also exceptionally difficult to stop and only limited by range.
Anonymous No.717133131 >>717133324
>>717132774
quadcopter commercial drones were still being used extensively in syria all the way back then, but again, since they were only used for scouting and sighting for artillery instead of dropping grenades and fpv kamikazeing, you normalniggers never paid it any attention
Anonymous No.717133218
>>717128840
You decribed Squad and it very quickly got boring to spend more time moving between areas than fighting in them.

What people want is realistic weapons with 0 downtime. Its why BF6 looks like dogshit for example, the weapons control like airsoft, the helicopters move like drones, and everything feels worthless.
Anonymous No.717133320 >>717133578
>>717133096
>Drones are dirt cheap and hyper accurate, they're also exceptionally difficult to stop and only limited by range.
And going by some of the countermeasures this can range from Bubba's hunting shotty to a microwave gun strapped to a tank. Maybe they'll start employing underbarrel shotguns with birdshot so you can clip their rotors midflight.
Anonymous No.717133324 >>717133619
>>717133131
they were doing grenade drops too, there was at least one clip of it
Anonymous No.717133328 >>717133812 >>717134703 >>717135937
>>717132797
>invade a sovereign country

Ukraine is a puppet state controlled by USA and western capitalists

Ukraine is exactly as "real" and "democratic" as the Afghanistan puppet government that collapsed immediately

>>717132985
The only one enslaving Ukrainians is capitalists exploiting them for cheap labor and resources

Paying them nothing in USD/Euro and then selling the products of their labor for exponentially more in the west

>>717132985
The Ukraine puppet government has been in a civil war with the eastern portion of the country since 2014, and making it illegal to speak their native language

The people in Donbas and Crimea almost entirely self-identify as Russian and speak Russian

They DEMOCRATICALLY voted to remove themselves from "Ukraine" but apparently "DEMOCRACY" isn't good when it's not serving USA/capitalist interests.
Anonymous No.717133578
>>717133320
>birdshot
Who knew clay shooting would be so important to modern warfare, the brits would be MVPs against drones lmao
Anonymous No.717133619
>>717133324
like i said, those were from isis and other related moderate western-backed beheaders, like turkey's hayat tahrir al-sham and al-nusra, and they were extremely few and far between, but yes i have seen those videos too
Anonymous No.717133812 >>717133945 >>717133971 >>717134195 >>717134793 >>717136061
>>717133328
>ukrainians are subhuman animals who deserve worse than death and their whole country is rightful russian clay but actually russia's invasion is completely selfless and is only being done for the purposes of liberating the ukrainians from their despotic government so really if you think about it the russian army is like a group of well-armed philanthropists please ignore when russia shoots thermobaric bombs at people's homes the ukrainians in those homes are probably nazis anyway so they deserve to die (I'm a white nationalist btw)
pro-russian dialog on the internet is borderline schizophrenic
Anonymous No.717133945
>>717133812
Ziggers have become increasingly unhinged as the war has gone on and their quality of life has gotten worse.
Anonymous No.717133971 >>717134265
>>717133812
hohols brazenly put their subhumanity on full disllay for all to see, every single day, seeth cope and dilate, gayfo troon
Anonymous No.717134074 >>717134141
All these "people" crying about drones reminds me of the pathetic Nazis crying over shotguns in trench warfare. You got outplayed, get over it pussy.
Anonymous No.717134141 >>717134365
>>717134074
shalom, hymie!
Anonymous No.717134195 >>717134464 >>717136106
>>717133812
I'm not pro-Russia I'm just extremely against the fake Ukraine puppet government which exists only for the purpose of making (foreign) capitalists richer by exploiting the people and resources of Ukraine

The one thing Putin is right about is Ukraine is not a real country

Until the USSR it was owned by Polish-Lithuania, Russian empire, Ottoman Turks, and Cossacks

(at the same time, there was no lines on the map that looked like Ukraine)

Then after the 1991 USSR collapse, a bunch of USA-backed capitalists made several fake countries out of thin air designed to steal all the wealth from the people of the former USSR, and continuously exploit them for cheap labor and resources even 34 years later today

They basically brainwashed the people of these countries with USA propaganda

Ukraine is basically like if someone kidnapped your little brother, exploited him, and brainwashed him into hating you
Anonymous No.717134265
>>717133971
interesting use of russian blood; liberating subhumans from.. themselves, I guess.
What's the life of an average russian worth if putin is willing to squander them to "save" le hohol subhumans
Anonymous No.717134365 >>717134616 >>717135323
>>717134141
Found the pathetic loser nazi. Don't open this image, you'll shit your pants.
Anonymous No.717134378
>>717127374
>all the drone operators replying to this
Anonymous No.717134464 >>717134629
>>717134195
>I hate when le evil american capitalists exploit foreign countries
>le based trad russian socialists should exploit foreign countries instead
please god tell me you aren't american. I will partially understand where you're coming from so long as you aren't a dude named Tim living in Idaho.
Anonymous No.717134616
>>717134365
it's a shotgun
Anonymous No.717134629 >>717134732
>>717134464
I'm American, no one could hate this tyrannical authoritarian capitalist dystopian shithole police state like I do unless they've lived it.
Anonymous No.717134703 >>717136061
>>717133328
the people of donbas and crimea are churkas now bud
Anonymous No.717134718
everyone defending drones is retarded
Anonymous No.717134723 >>717135196
>>717127089 (OP)
Are shotguns worth a shit in this game?
Anonymous No.717134732 >>717134856 >>717134920 >>717135384
>>717134629
>I'm american and I hate my own country
please
PLEASE
move to russia so you can hang with your chad trad orthobros in a decrepit commie block, no one will miss you
Anonymous No.717134793
>>717133812
>borderline schizophrenic
Most shit is these days. Before you could ignore the crazy hobo crying about the world ending. These fuckers are employing multiple attack vectors with bot and jeet companies making sure that you know about it. Being able to move a million miles away from all this gayshit would do wonders on the human soul.
Anonymous No.717134856 >>717135173
>>717134732
If you're American and you don't hate your own government you're either rich or more brainwashed than North Koreans.
Anonymous No.717134920
>>717134732
If you're American and you don't hate your own government you're either rich or more brainwashed than North Koreans.
Anonymous No.717134991 >>717135973
>>717127089 (OP)
Giving every squad a drone operator role would be funny to be honest, some maps would literally be unplayable
Anonymous No.717135173
>>717134856
I am certain that your two chief complaints regarding the US are as follows
1. Le ZOG
2. Le niggers
you are an edgy 15 year old politics junky, you are not a fringe, persecuted genius
Anonymous No.717135196
>>717134723
Gameplay vids show the pump shotgun is reliably getting one shot kills out to a really good range.
Anonymous No.717135275
You all shat on BFV but this is just BFV: Modern Combat
Anonymous No.717135323
>>717134365
found the pedophile kike
Anonymous No.717135373
>>717127374
We've been blasting people from outside visual range for the last century. Nothing changes
Anonymous No.717135384
>>717134732
shabbhat shalom, kike!
Anonymous No.717135420
>>717127089 (OP)
It really does need a drone class that's doing 99% of its kills through drones.
Anonymous No.717135897 >>717136087 >>717136921
>drones
already outdated, the US has updated their doctrine.
Anonymous No.717135937 >>717136061
>>717133328
Russia is ruled by a criminal that kills people all the time if they annoy him. And a vote doesn't make it legitimate, everyone knows this. The best thing for Russia and Ukraine would be if the US took them both over.

>>717127374
Drone operators are just soldiers, and all the Russians that were killed by the drones had it coming for not turning on their corrupt government.
Anonymous No.717135973
>>717134991
it would only be fun if it was realistic and 80% of the drones die due to EW.
Anonymous No.717136061
>>717133812
>>717134703
>>717135937
you are talking to someone using AI to bait you
Anonymous No.717136087 >>717136316
>>717135897
>2 (two) tanks firing canister shot at a consumer-grade drone that's unaware and far enough away for them to aim high enough
Anonymous No.717136106
>>717134195
>They basically brainwashed the people of these countries with USA propaganda

>Ukraine is basically like if someone kidnapped your little brother, exploited him, and brainwashed him into hating you


lol...you got brainwashed by listening to anti-American tards on the internet and just drank down all their lies
Anonymous No.717136223
>>717127374
The amount of Ukies triggered by this is hilarious.
Anonymous No.717136316 >>717136921
>>717136087
Just follow the fucking doctrine.
Anonymous No.717136921
>>717135897
>>717136316
>its real