Thread 717147068

Why was DKC3 forgotten?

>>717147068 (OP)
Because it's a boring bloated piece of shit

Literally WHO is the Kong next to Dixie?

It didn't do anything new but at the same time it's still really good so there's not much to talk about

Weakest OST
Kiddy Kong is ugly
Forgettable levels
Hubworlds in a platformer are dumb
It's still good but easily the weakest DKC game.

>>717147068 (OP)
Released during the ass end of the SNES when the N64 was practically already here and also Kiddy Kong just being DK but worse.

>>717147068 (OP)
Came out the same year as the N64, and therefore Super Mario 64. DKC3 is a fine game, but it's not going to hit you like Mario 64 would.

>>717147368
The N64 wasn’t released in the UK until 97.

>>717147068 (OP)

new main character is a 9 year old baby who spends half the game shitting his pants and crying.

A million new filler mechanics with worse gameplay

>>717147068 (OP)
>>717147357
Niggas don't know about the Wise GBA ost

>>717147068 (OP)
It's great but most of these kids posting right now know about the trilogy thanks to speedrunners and DKC3 you cannot beat it as quickly as the other two.

>>717147679
>UK
You do know that just because Rare was a UK based company, that doesn't mean that the UK was the first on the market to them, right?

>>717147316
I'm not kidding, it's like her retarded little cousin or something

>>717147687
>crying

git gud

>>717147068 (OP)
They obviously used up their entire repertoire with DKC2 and made it so good that anything after it was bound to be disappointing. And then they went ahead and sealed the deal with a bland OST, a toddler MC instead of actually just bringing back DK, and a slew of other uninteresting gimmicks.

>>717147334
Well said. I really hate kiddie kong’s design, but the gameplay is not bad. Plus I like the overworld boat and caves and the bear shops etc. The overworld stuff is a personal bias but objectively it’s similar to DKC2 and 1 gameplay wise. replayed it recently and it’s the worst of the 3 SNES titles but it’s not bad at all imo

>>717147316
gormless kong

>>717147717
...SNES OST is better

>>717147687
Sounds like a character Nintendo fans can relate to

>>717147316
Chunky Kong's little bro

Nobody wants to play as a baby.

>>717147068 (OP)
DKC3 is the best one. A bunch of 8 years just got mad that Kiddy Kong looks like a diaper baby and never got over it. If you replaced Kiddy Kong with anyone else people would be fine with it.

>>717147316
wokey kong. he grew up and became the character you play as in wokey kong bananza

>>717147068 (OP)
Played it before bananza came out and I have to say, 95% of the levels are actually good. The overworld thought is trash.

>>717147068 (OP)
The overworld blows everything else out of the water y along with secrets that sound like schoolyard rumor bullshit
But the setting wasn't as interesting and Kiddy Kong sucked. What was even his special ability, just being able to skip across water?
It's still a good game but nowhere near the level of polish of 2

>THE OVERWORLD/HUBWORLD SUCKS
Filtered, it allows for
>secrets
>world select choices
>leaving worlds and coming back with ease
Every platform game after this adapted a hub world, there are literally no negatives, the movement is fast so it's not like it makes travel between levels slow or anything. Maybe yall didn't figure out that the y button sped your vehicle up?

>>717147068 (OP)
If Retro makes another 2D game, I always thought Kiddy Kong should come back, and he work like DK where he could have Diddy, Dixie, or Cranky on his back.

I didn't like the redesigned enemies. They looked too cartoonish. I don't understand why they changed it up from 2

Don't know don't care. How's that?

I accidentally saved over my babysitter's 100% save of this game and the shame haunts me

>>717149565
don't feel bad, it wasn't 103% now, was it?

>>717149565
At least it wasn't a 105% run

>>717149352
Feels like they had to or else they'd be considered lazy for reusing the same sprites every game. But yeah that, the music, and the bright colorful game felt a bit babyish. That and the literal baby.

>>717147368
It was released after Super Mario 64, one of the save scenes has Wrinkly Kong playing SM64 with a remixed version of the castle music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SsB96wuPe4&ab_channel=AllNintendoMusic

>>717147068 (OP)
It got mogged by its prequels. It's not bad, but the other two are just so much better it looks worse than it is.

>>717147068 (OP)
It came out too late in the SNES lifespan, everyone had already moved on to the next gen.

>original came out a few months after the N64 launch
>gba remake came out a few months after the DS launch

>>717147368
technically, kiddy is dk but better.

anyway, I feel my biggest issue with DKC3 is how sluggish it can feel. With no Diddy speed, it's a slow game.
Also Koindozer Klamber is probably one of the most miserable levels in the DKC trilogy.

It isn't forgotten at all. If you mean why isn't it as popular that's because the new character is very unappealing, the new kremling designs are rather unappealing and the levels aren't nearly as good. It also has theming problems. The game as a whole has the pacific northwest theme going, but each world feels interchangeable.

>>717148825
>people can be put off by shitty designs and not give otherwise decent games the time of day
It's really funny that your post immediately proceeded this abomination >>717148867 Because while Bananza is shit, but even if it weren't I wouldn't touch it strictly because of how retarded DK looks in it.

these dudes really weirded me out as a kid

Baby kong is terrible. Music is terrible. Platforming is average. The first world is so fucking bad it leaves a bad taste in your mouth and ruins everything for the rest of the game

>Shitty re-designs of already established enemies from the first two games
>Bosses suck ass. Eyes in a wall that you hop around as an elephant to squirt water into them? Le bouncy spider shooting peas at you? A belching barrel? Pure hot garbage
>Kiddy Kong sucks to play as. Feels incredibly awkward to play just from the design alone. Should have just used DK
>Lot of levels feel like a slog, like the jumping up trees to avoid the saw, factory levels with owls shooting fireballs, sled through the pipe to avoid bees, canyon rope levels with the stupid TNT barrels, etc
It's not terrible, but it's a pretty big step down from DKC1 and 2

>>717148512
I love how Vinny makes fun of the Rare developers by giving them a strong British accent
"Ye mate I 'ave a fookin amazing idea for a level gimmick. The player got used to the controls, so let's reverse the bloody controls on the last level! And make it a water level!"

>>717152732
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4QMZmRG_hI&t=2825s

It's not forgotten by me. I've always loved DKC3.

>>717153198
>>>/vt/ranny

>>717153452
You always out yourselves with projection.

I think it's better than DKC1, especially the GBA version

>>717147717
>bitcrushed ost
no thanks

>>717147068 (OP)
DKC2 > DKC > DKC 3 > DKC TF > DKC R

Came out after the N64 was out.
Stars a girl and a baby.
That's it.

>>717155163
Trying too hard

It came out after the N64 so the wow factor of the graphics, while technically better than DKC2, was still fairly subdued since they were 2D and 3D was the big new hotness
It didn't star Donkey Kong or Diddy
You played as an oversized toddler named Kiddy, which feels like an insult, especially since the 90s was when Sega and PlayStation were banking on having a more mature image while painting Nintendo as being for children. This would especially go on to hurt in the early/mid 00s.
Some degree of series fatigue with Country, Country 2, Land, and Land 2 out by this point
From a general game design standpoint, it's not as good as DKC2, which was considered to be a masterpiece

I think it's nicer looking than the other two, but I'm not a fan of some of the redesigns. I prefer the level design and music of the other games. Bosses too. Even though DKC1's aren't really notable, DKC3's are FAR more hit and miss. DKC2's bosses are the best overall. I played co-op with a friend the other day as Kiddy and it's a totally different game from playing it solo. I don't dislike the character, but gameplay wise, he blows and he's the only character I actually hate using in the series

>>717147068 (OP)
>Donkey Kong game.
>Second game in a row where Donkey Kong is not playable.
I know people will say something like >>717147357 and while all of thats true, no DK, and DKC2 doing everything better exhasterbates all of those problems. Also 1996 SNES release, don't matter how good a game was, 16 bit was dead by then sales wise.

>>717151119
I think the theming was good; people were just primed for more drastic changes after DKC2. It has a similar character to 1.

I do think Rare fucked up by thinking they needed a literal baby character to get the "end of a generation" theme across. Really should have been Dixie leading DK in the search for Diddy. If they really felt that wouldn't fly, they could have played into the sci fi by saying KAOS stole DK's brain, and play off as a joke that he's still able to do most things without it.

>>717155492
There were only like three Donkey Kong games in 1996 where you could play as DK which is really strange looking back at.

>>717147357
If you are talking pure game mechanics then DKC3 is far more polished than 1. If you prefer 1 due to aesthetics or music fine whatever, but actually playing 1 feels way worse than playing 2 & 3.
Ffs Diddy can't even throw a barrel properly in 1 while standing. He just slams it straight into the ground

>>717155163
Based. Retro Kong sucks ass.

This thing genuinely made me really uncomfortable as kid. I think it was the fact that it was basically a giant snail face and made those gross squishing sounds when you attacked his eyes

>Developers make fun of you for playing their SNES game instead of playing Nintendo 64.
Soul.

>>717155646
I like 1's level design a lot.
Plays a bit ass, though, you're not wrong.

>>717155337
To do what? Bait? Wrong. The retro games are a huge downgrade in difficulty and shower you with items that make the game easier.

>>717156182
I found Returns far harder than DKC2.

>>717155717
>>717156182
Calling the new ones retro games is pretty funny. I mean I get it but it's still funny

>>717156182
Maybe if you played babby mode, the Retro games are harder than all the rare DK games

>>717156265
I beat them without using any items. The retro series were just easier in general. The items were the icing on the cake or rather the final nail in the coffin for me as seeing invincibility potions, health upgrades (there shouldn't be health to begin with, only one hit per kong), anti-pitfall potions, etc was an absolute insult. Why have any of that when the games are already so easy?
Then again, maybe the later ports were made easier and I'm just wrong. I did only play the 3ds version of returns and the switch version of tropical freeze after all.

All the renders in this game look and feel off, it's obvious the art director and character designer changed from the first one. All the typical Kremlins just look weird compared to DKC1 and 2.

DKC3's biggest problem is that the first world sucks and also has the worst music in the game.
The game is completely backended, which compared to most games is in itself a novelty

Not enough Dixie fanservice.

>>717157271
I think DKC2 also has a rough start.

>>717157703
Relatively speaking I kind of agree with you, but the music in DKC2 is perfect all the way through imo.
World 1 in DKC3 slaps you in the face with annoying tuba music and hides most of the good songs in later worlds
Iirc you gotta get through over half the game to hear this banger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOYwHwdGPgM

While DKC3 is the weakest game of the trilogy and disappointing, it's not a bad game. At least they've put effort to not make a lazy, safe rehash and the graphics are gorgeous (although from art style aspect they are boring).

>>717147357
Only kiddy kong being ugly is true
https://youtu.be/jiG9toAf1_0?si=NJbki4X9pXiFFfn7

>>717159447
I'd argue its stronger than 1, but I can understand why people can prefer 1 for sure, and 3 obviously had the benefit of standing on the other 2s shoulders.
2 being the best is almost undeniable though.

>>717159447
Why is it disappointing? It has the best mechanics and world of the trilogy

i 100% the game as a kid, i saved the golden banana bird, DKC3 is the best DK game and it's not even close. The only problem is that the baby looks retarded

>>717147068 (OP)
The overall setting/level theming is the part of the game that just doesn't stick for me. I don't hate Kiddie (I'm pretty ambivalent desu) and I rather like Dixie. I enjoyed the world map with its limited freedom, even the music was fine IMO. It's overall just not the most cohesive vidya experience.

Waterfall boss and the Snowman were also super weird inclusions. I wasn't a big fan of Ellie, truth be told. Also the underwater levels were pretty ugly in this game.

>>717159447
I can see why people might view 3 as the weakest but not why it's disappointing. You'd have to elaborate on that since the quality is comparable to the others.

>>717147068 (OP)
Because it released so late. Why have you made a DKC3 thread like 10 times this past week?

>>717160345
>since the quality is comparable to the others.
Wrong. The quality is superior to the others, it's literally just the stupid baby design

>>717155163
It's just not that good. It's not bad, but I prefer the music, aesthetics, and gameplay flow of the first 2 DKC games. And Returns/Tropical Freeze for that matter.

>>717155163
DKC2 > DKC TF > DKC R > DKC > DKC 3
DKC 1 is overrated. You can tell it was rushed with how many cave levels they put in, and the re-use of bosses. DKC 2 is by far the best of the SNES trilogy.

>>717156941
I don't think the original trilogy is that much harder, if at all. I never touched the items. Without a health bar, the retro games would definitely be harder than the rare games.

>>717160618
>DKC2 > DKC TF > DKC R > DKC > DKC 3
I like this ranking, though 1 and 3 are relatively interchangeable for me. I think they're all great games, admittedly I'm fairly biased.

What do you guys think of returns?
I haven't played it since it came out and really don't remember much about it.

>>717161185
good game, if a bit soulless

>>717161185
inferior TF

>>717161296
That was what I remember about it too. TF was so good it kind of replace returns in my mind

>>717147068 (OP)
it's fine

>>717147357
nah

>>717161185
I like it

>>717147068 (OP)
Because it's good,
and tendies like and are addicted to slop.

That's why you have numbskulls that say that Mario 64 , and Ocarina of time,
hell, even the N64 they say are the greatest thing of all time.

>>717147068 (OP)
It wasn't.
Why do you people claim everything is fucking forgotten?

>>717158764
Music ain't everything. Diddy's game is mostly boring levels until the end of Cauldron.

>>717161185
New Super Donkey Kong Bros.
Absolutely 0 flavor. Unmemorable stages. Way harder than Rare's games and really fun. 8/10, great comeback. Tropical Freeze fixed every single problem with it except a few designs being a bit lame.

DK Bananza > DKC TF = DKC2 > DKC 3 = DKCR > DKC 1 = DK 64

>>717160618
The bosses suck, but I feel that even aesthetically worlds 1-5 are fantastic, and world 6 is visually shit but has great levels. It's a much more even and fun package than Returns.

>>717147687
>9 year old baby
Kiddy Kong is 3 years old
>>717149352
>>717149898
DKC3 was made by a different team than the one who made the previous games.

>>717164569
>DKC 1 = DK 64
That's being really harsh to DKC.

In terms of what I personally enjoy

Freeze > Bananza > 94 > Country > Kong Quest > Double Trouble > Returns > Jungle Beat > DK > JR > 64

I'm skipping the Clu Clu Lands despite enjoying them because it's purely marketing. Same for 3 except it would go at the bottom.

>>717164970
I liked 3 but I'll admit it's just because I like shmups.

>>717165667
I love Shmups, but I really didn't care for 3. If I wanted what it was offering, I'd just play Galaga. The resource retrieval aspect is great in concept, but doesn't end up mattering. It's too binary; your plants getting moved a bit when reclaimed changes fuck all.

>>717147316
Shitty kong

It's got by far the worst K.Rool design

In fact all of the Kremlings look like shit

It's easy to see that all the criticism directed at DKC3 are youtuber talking points parroted by zoomers with 0 insight.

>Kiddy
Objectively better to play than DK. He's faster, smaller, holds the barrel in the front, doesn't have awkward animations and hitboxes when running and jumping.
He also better fit the tone of the game, which is a comfy, low stakes adventure and doesn't overshadow Dixie as the protagonist like DK obviously would have.

>Bosses
All extremely original and with creative mechanics. You can prefer the more straightforward bosses of DKC2, but compared to the shitty bosses of DKC1 (reskinned regular enemies with pathetic attack patterns that get repeated twice, plus one that's literally a static JPEG that drops normal enemies) they're leagues better.

>Music
Composed by Evelyn Fischer, who did half of the DKC1 OST, including some of the most beloved themes. It perfectly fits the understated tone of the game, unlike Wise's GBA OST that's more melodic and bombastic and ruins the mood of many levels.

>Collectables
DKC3 wisely sets the standard of 2 bonus coins in each level, as oppose to DKC2 variable amount and DKC1 equally random bonus rooms. The DK coin being a little puzzle also differentiates it from yet another thing that you have to search for like the bonus barrels since it's pretty much always in plain sight. The banana birds are entirely separated from the platforming gameplay and they're more of a little reward for exploring the map. The bear items and boat parts are things that are collected automatically as you progress the game, take zero effort and are just an attempt at adding more to the story.

>Gimmicks
DKC3 isn't any more "gimmicky" than DKC2, the game that made each level having a trademark mechanic the series staple. You might dislike a few of them depending on personal taste, but DKC2 wasn't all winners either (hot air balloons level, pitch dark underwater level, etc)

Etc.

>>717147068 (OP)
Too hard

>>717165804
shmups? what the fuck are you talking about?

>>717166161
>Objectively better to play than DK. He's faster, smaller, holds the barrel in the front, doesn't have awkward animations and hitboxes when running and jumping.
They could have just made DK play like that. His render was way worse than Diddy's in DKC, so they'd have to redo his sprites anyway.
>overshadow Dixie as the protagonist like DK obviously would have.
Absolute lack of faith in Dixie. You and Retro should both be ashamed. A good justification for Dixie taking the lead in the manual would be all it takes to have him along for a laid back adventure.

>Bosses
DKC2 was also mostly misses. The K Rool fight really needed to be better, though.

>Shitting on Wise's new tracks.
The ideal DKC3 OST would keep Novakovic's tracks and sprinkle in some of Wise's new tracks where appropriate. The Arich theme (Wise confirmed it was used wrong, should have been the finale) would work really well replacing one of the two K Rool fights, with the other using Evelyn's theme.

>>717166414
Can you try clicking on the post I'm replying to?

>>717166641
you're talking about the donkey kong country games, no? or is it about clu clu lands? why the fuck would someone mention that game in a DKC discussion?

>>717166581
>Absolute lack of faith in Dixie
You obviously can't have the titular Donkey Kong character playable in the game and expect a little girl to be perceived as the protagonist. The game's premise is Dixie being stuck babysitting her little cousin while DK and Diddy go on an adventure and her wanting to prove that she can hold her own and the protagonist, having DK playable would nullify all of that.

>Shitting on Wise's new tracks.
They're good in a vacuum, mostly terrible in the game. They feel like they'd work much better in the more cartoony and energetic Retro games.

>>717166830
>you're talking about the donkey kong country games, no?
Are you retarded? Here, let me quote the person who mentioned Shoot em ups.
>>717165667
You'll notice they say 3 in reference to this post.
>>717164970
You'll notice this post is listing out all of the DK games. And that it lists 3 separate from Dixie Kong's Double Trouble. Can you figure out what's being said now?

>>717151665
>uses a barrel as a disguise
>paints himself in the barrel
People defend this

>>717166946
Having DK playable would nullify the conceit they came up with to justify DK not being playable, yes. They could come up with literally anything else to justify Dixie leading a game with DK as the cohort. Dixie was the fan favorite from the previous game. It really isn't a bigger ask to have her be the headliner with DK than accepting a fucking baby as the new sidekick.

>>717167563
>They could come up with literally anything else to justify Dixie leading a game with DK as the cohort.
Like what, him getting a brain damage and needing to be taken care of? Why would a little girl be the lead when THE DK is there?

>>717155869
Little known fact this boss inspired Sy Snootles the singing alien in the star wars return of the jedi re-release after George Lucas played DKC3

>>717166161
>thread is full of genuine critiques of the game
>"you guys are just parroting youtubers!"
Fuck off with that shit people have had the same issues with dkc3 since before youtube even existed.
People can disagree with you without them being braindead zoomers copying youtubers.

>>717167563
Yeah, the plot is already about rescuing Diddy. Having DK outside of the clank wouldn't really take away from that. Hell, most players would prefer to switch to Dixie just like they did in DKC2 simply because the hair glide is really good

>>717167693
Whatever you say lil' zoomie

>>717147068 (OP)

Looks like the "New" DK

...Holy shit is the new DK just a grown up Kiddy Kong? Is DK a title?

>>717147068 (OP)
Because no one wants to remember.

>>717147717
The wise GBA OST is worse

>>717157326
Too big

>>717167670
They justified Land with
>Oi m8, u think yer graffix is so fokin special, ey?
It really could just be as simple as Dixie arguing it's her turn. Or they could have K. Roolenstein steal DK's brain, sure. They could do whatever the fuck they want to.

They went with the baby because it fit the theming they wanted, but it really wouldn't be an issue to have Dixie lead a game about saving her boyfriend in a place DK's never been to before.

>>717167693
To be fair, most of the criticism in this thread is appended with
>game's great fun, though.

It really isn't bad. It just had a few misses. So does every DKC.

>>717166161
Truth nuke.

>>717168210
>Holy shit is the new DK just a grown up Kiddy Kong?
That's my cope regarding the redesign but I'm not sure how much it holds up anymore.

>>717166161
>>717169058
>It's easy to see that all the criticism directed at DKC3 are youtuber talking points parroted by zoomers with 0 insight.

Truth hurts

>>717164656
I, too, get all my opinions from youtubers.

>>717147316
kiddy kong

>>717147068 (OP)
All I remember is every fucking level having some weird gimmick.

>>717147068 (OP)
Because DKC2 was the pinnacle of the series.

>>717168584
Most of it is, sure. Some of them work as replacements, and some would be fantastic alts for stages with the same tileset. Wise's Stilts would make a good shakeup for Kreeping Klasps for example, keeps the difference in mood in Kremwood.

>>717169397
>Liking the game DK64 is heavily riffing on more than DK64 is a YouTube opinion.

If DK64 was so great, it should come up with its own first level.

I think it's really funny that the SNES games only had "Donkey Kong Country" on the boxes of Diddy and Dixie's game for branding purposes while the "subtitle" is the actual title for the game. And then the GBA versions ditch them for numeric titles.

>>717169527
>Kremwood
I meant cotton top cove, fuck me.

Kiddy Kong was a funny character who does not deserve the hate he gets.

>>717169437
The sad thing is you can tell what they were trying to do and it wasn't a bad idea. Tons of good DKC2 levels had one-off gimmicks to keep things fresh. But they ran out of ideas by DKC3 so the vast majority is random annoying shit. I actually liked the lightning level, the big saw cutting the tree, and the one with the crosshair, but that's about it

>>717169864
I wish Chunky Kong was actually just a grown up Kiddy Kong

>>717169437
Replayed it recently, it's appalling in that regard.

>>717169703
Donkey Kong himself only stars in one entry of the trilogy while Diddy and Dixie both get two.

>>717169864
Said no sane person ever.

So when is Poppy getting her own game?

>>717166179
It's hard for all the wrong reasons. And somehow, K Rool is a total pushover.

>>717170406
OL signing papers the game

>>717169965
right? i bet he was meant to be, but some designers behind the two characters had a slappy fight or something

>>717169864
I don't get why people hate him he doesn't really warrant it he's just kind of there and that's his biggest flaw like who is this kid and why is he here

>>717169864
he's annoying with a cool gameplay, he mogs donkey in dkc1 easily.

>>717170748
It's just a conceptual dud for some people. In-game he's a nothingburger, maybe you get annoyed by his crying sound effect when you die but whatever.

>>717171076
The cry was kind of funny because of how pissed off it sounded.

DKC2 > DKTF > DKC1 > DKCR > DKC3

2 became challenging almost immediately, every single gimmick lands, had the hardest boss fights, and an amazing soundtrack.

Tropical freeze starts easy and becomes steadily harder over the course of the game. The game is beautiful and extravagant with every level doing something different, Cranky, and Dixie offers different ways to play, and it arguably has the best soundtrack(even though I like DKC2s more)

DKC1 has moderate difficulty, a good variety of levels, amazing soundtrack once again it's the game that started it all what else is there to say

Returns is great game, it has some difficulty spikes here and their and the score isn't the best but it's still very fun

3 is the only game in the series with outright bad levels
>mouse wheels
>Elephant being scared by mice in the dark
>Barrel jump bullshit
>Rocket
II would call it the easiest game in the series but that final rocket level is bullshit. Those few levels aside the game is pretty good though like I said it's quite a bit easier. I like the countryside esthetic of the game even if it is a bit limiting and I like the bears. The hub world is fun to explore and I like the vehicles. I respect them for not reusing sprites and making every game different in appearance even at the cost of ugly kremlings. This games sound tracks the worst, it has its highs and lows but it has some pretty low lows. Also this game doesn't have Rambi in it so it's a zero for me

>>717149352
they already became a lot more cartoonish in 2 going from 1
the 1 kremlings are my favorite

>>717170748
I never hated him like that
I think it's just being a crying kid, lot of genuine autists hate kids

Kiddy is the key of all this. He's a funnier character than what we had before.

>>717147068 (OP)
It's bad.

>>717147068 (OP)
it's just not DKC2, simple as that
it was a tall order to make a better game

still god tier game

>>717147068 (OP)
Honestly I love the whole mini RPG package on DKC3, felt so cool to explore hidden caves, trade around items and talk to bears to uncover the rest of the game

aslo

Yooka-Laylee and the Impossible Lair doubled down on this aspect and surpassed it

>DKC2 is better
>DKC3 bad

>>717157326
>nipple hardening

>>717147068 (OP)
Probably because they introduced that retarded looking monkey who took Diddy's spot.

Love this theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3aTwCvbbaQ

>>717147068 (OP)
2 and 3 are shit
If I buy DONKEY Kong Country I want to play as DONKEY Kong not some gormless faggots

DKC3 is one of the greatest victims of an odd phenomenon that plagues game discussion more than anything else, and that's sequels that aren't the best thing in the series being treated as garbage. DKC3 is clearly a good game, well above average, but it falls shorter on some aspects that 1&2 excelled in without being a huge step forward from them so it's trashed. Would I rather play 1, 2, Returns, Freeze, Jungle Beat, or Bananza over 3 if given the choice right now? Absolutely. But it's still a great platformer, and I'd play it over most of the handheld Kong platformers or 64.

>DKC
>no donkey kong
gee

>>717179120
It's still his country.

if there was a dkc4, the duo should be a grown up strong but silent kiddy kong and troubled detective fedora kong (coconut shellshock from post banana stress disorder), a noir set in the western kremisphere where a mysterious figure known as Don K. Rool rules the seedy streets with an iron claw and our intrepid heroes have been tasked by candy kong to find her boyfriend who has suddenly gone missing, the krem gang wars have just begun....

I like Water World more than Aquatic Ambience

>>717147068 (OP)
Was it? It's the best game in the trilogy

>>717179486
>Don K. Rool
I don't care about the other stuff but the instant you said this I wanted it. He's fat enough to play old Brando convincingly and Kremlings dressed like old timey gangsters would work so well

>>717149352
K. Rool is a mad scientist and the game hints at a nature vs. technology theme without really committing to it. The enemy designs in particular don't convey this themeing at all when they really should have. Make all the kremlings cyborgs or robot replacements like they did with the bees. They should've just gone full Eggman with this shit but what we got was kinda tepid and lacking.

The character designs in this and 64 are all so deplorable because they were all the handiwork of Mark Stevenson, who is a phenomenal render artist responsible for the iconic promotional artwork and map screens for the series, but an absolutely atrocious character designer. The hideous baby Kong? His fault. The horrendous new Kremlings? His fault. Fucking Troff and Scoff? You bet. Even the one bad enemy design in DKC2, the Cat-O'-Nine- Tails, was, sure enough, his fault. Absolutely staggering misuse of an employee who ran rampant on these poor B-team games.

>>717166094
I will defend Baron K. Roolenstein. It's the worst K. Rool design by default, but only because the others are just objectively better. I don't see how there's anything wrong with a Frankenstein design that combines the doctor and the monster. That's actually pretty novel.

The terrible "fights" are of course another matter.

>>717171076
Rare sorta backed themselves into a corner with wanting to give Dixie her own starring role. You can't really give her a bigger, stronger male partner without her being overshadowed by him, especially if it's DK himself, as so many clamored for. So what do you do? Make him a baby so she still maintains superiority. And what do girls do? Well, they babysit, naturally! So there's the plot excuse for him being there.

>>717147068 (OP)
Because it sucked, obviously. Rare literally ALWAYS has issues with fucking scope and letting ideas get out of hand, and this game is just a victim of that.

>>717151665
These guys always bugged me because there's no way a crocodile snout is fitting inside the barrel so their eyes can peer out of the slot like that.

>>717179486
kino

>>717181635
It's cartoonishly bent at a 90 angle similar a rubber toy

>>717155646
1 can feel downright electrifying to play if you manage to really tap into the rhythm of the level design and blast through everything in your way. Neither sequel really accomodates that kind of satisfying pure platforming.

>>717147068 (OP)
Boomers had an irrational hatred for Kiddy Kong for some reason.

>>717180559
That was nothing new. DKC1 also had a weak industrialization theme with the Kremlins building factories and polluting the island, on top of a half assed military theme with some of the designs, AND then K Roll randomly had a pirate ship.

The only game that really committed to a theme was DKC2.

>>717180706
I like the goofier designs of 3. What's weird is that the new rat is much scarier than the cartoony mouse of 2, feels like they were switched.

>>717182208
They're the same people that were foaming at their mouth for Baby Mario in Yoshi's Island. They felt embarrassed playing "baby games" and never matured.

>>717157326
Why does banana have vein in it

>>717168210
>Is DK a title?
We knew that from cranky being dk

>>717179619
Both are good at what they set out to do. Aquatic Ambience captures the tranquility and peace of swimming through a beautiful underwater landscape, and Water World has that perfectly mysterious and foreboding feel that comes from swimming through hostile territory.

>>717182208
They were just upset that Donkey Kong Country 4: Kiddy's Day Out never happened to give Kiddy the spotlight while he and a new character team up to rescue all three of DK, Diddy and Dixie who have been kidnapped.

>>717182290
>The only game that really committed to a theme was DKC2
I don't think it really did. It had all kinds of random shit thrown together like a carnival, giant beehive, castle, flying contraption, bramble patches, etc. Fantastic game but not overwhelmingly piratey

>>717184019
God, who's low enough on the totem pole to play second banana to Kiddy Kong?

>>717184068
The Minkey Kong equivalent to Lanky.

>>717147357
Also, the enemies look weird in this one for some reason. DK1+2 have the same enemy models, but for some reason they decided to change them in DK3 and these new models look odd. Why tf bees now have a saw disc in their asses? Their previous design was perfect. Also the bosses were weird, in an unsettling way.

>>717184424
It teaches you not to fuck the bees.
>>717157326
brainless

>>717184734
I think the spikes in the previous model was a good indication to not fuck with them, and the rest of the model actually resembled a bee in a cartoonish way. DK1+2 bees were perfect, and this is why this design returned to n64 DK game

>>717185007
>>717184734
they're hornets innit

>>717186228
They are bees, they make honey

gorgeous

The only DK games I've played and beaten are Donkey Kong Bananza and Donkey Kong Country Returns. Sell me on the original Donkey Kong Country games.

>>717177816
DKC3 is okay, but it's nowhere good enough to pretend to be anything more than that.

>I'd play it over most of the handheld Kong platformers or 64
64 is downright a terrible game.

>>717186590
Play Crow Country if you haven't already.

>>717186662
They’re good

>>717149197
Yeah, what's the problem with the hub world? Nobody complains about Mario World's map or Crash Bandicoot's.

>>717147068 (OP)
Too many animal segments(the worst part of dk 2 and 3)

>>717186662
You wouldn't understand

>>717186662
Returns tries to recapture what made the original DKC games so good/special and only gets about 70-80% of the way there despite still being quite a good game (Tropical Freeze did a better job while also adding more of its own stuff). Also play Jungle Beat, it's a great game that's very distinct from all the other but came from Koizumi's team that would eventually make Mario Galaxy with a chunk of the same staff being together all the way through Bananza.

>>717186662
They have S tier art direction and music which makes the DK games you play look like slop.
They also have some nice platformer gameplay. However they can be bullshit difficult, so if you are not up for this challenge, you can rather play them on an emulator.

>Donkey Kong Country
>Donkey Kong is only playable in the first game of the series

>>717187669
They all take place in his country. He owns the land.

>>717187669
It’s donkey kong country not donkey Kong individual。he has a whole country of monkeys to back him up

>>717187775
DKC2 takes place on Crocodile Isle and DKC2 in Northern Kremisphere

>>717184424
The answer is because DKC3 had a different lead character artist from the first two DKCs whose character/enemy designs were helmed by Kev Bayliss and Steve Mayles, a guy at Rare named Mark Stevenson. Stevenson actually designed a couple of enemies along with Mayles for DKC2 such as pic related which basically is a proto DKC3 enemy.

Really it's the entire reason to why DKC3 feels a bit off kilter in comparison to the first two games: it was largely made up of a different development team, as the original DKC1/2 crew led by Gregg Mayles left for greener pastures (Dream/Banjo Kazooie).

>>717187669
>Donkey Kong
>actually tou play as Mario
>Donkey Kong 3
>actually you play as Stanley the bugman
I'm seeing a pattern.

>>717187647
Some of the minecart jumps feel like bullshit

>>717147068 (OP)
Because kiddy kong is horrible. They should have just put donkey kong or funky Kong as the big kong, or a Chad named Biggy Kong or something. Not some faggot baby

>>717187669
rare had kong autism

>>717184424
>Why tf bees now have a saw disc in their asses?

Because you genocided the bees in DKC 1 and 2. In DKC 1 you killed the queen and then in DKC 2 you slaughtered your way through their hive with Rambi and then killed the king. All that's left are what K Rool could cobble together with his mad science

>>717187869
I has a fascination with this enemy as a kid because he appears only like twice in the entire game and mostly minds his business, he'll try launching you in the air once and then give up.

>>717148617
>>717155137
>>717168584
You guys are animals

>>717187835
They were annexed the second Kong feet touched the soil.

>>717186823
>Crow Country
what about?

>>717188112
They get dizzy after they spin around, that's when they're vulnerable. If you get hit from the side, you just take damage. You need to jump from above to get launched.

both of DKC3's K. Rool fights are the most agonizingly slow boss fights in video games.
maybe only beaten in slowness by Plok's bosses

>>717188232
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cspSA7IQ9Jo&list=PL9B3BE932CA831E81&index=15

>>717164569
I went into Bananza thinking there was no way it would top Tropical Freeze for me but holy fuck

What a game

>>717188232
You only feel that way because wise has his name attached to it

>>717187951
This. They could have gone full circle
>dk and didn't save the bananas
>diddy and Dixie save dk
>finally Dixie(lead) and DK save diddy

>>717147068 (OP)
Same thing that happened to Perfect Dark. Came out when everyone had already moved on to another system.
>PlayStation was already out for 2 years
>N64 was already out earlier that year with games like Super Mario 64 releasing before it
The game itself is fine, I actually quite like it. But it felt like a game that was made from obligation instead of actual want.

>>717147068 (OP)
Too repetitive level designs.

>>717147068 (OP)
3rd game on the same platform, no DK again and the N64 was already out.

>>717147316
Notim Portantkong

>>717188442
hell yeah
>>717188507
No, It is simply better because it has catchier melodies and more of them.
Snes OST is good, but GBA is more in line with the other games, because, duh, it's all David Wise. (Yes I know the lady that did 3 snes did music for dkc1). I can respect it for being different though.
But yeah, it's only problem is no CD release and we're stuck with gba compression. I can see (hear) that being a deal-breaker for some. Hopefully we can get one of those autistic sample reconstructions one day. It deserves it. Banjo Pilot too..

And don't forget
Kiddy Kong OWNS You

>>717181048
>You can't really give her a bigger, stronger male partner without her being overshadowed by him, especially if it's DK himself, as so many clamored for.
Sounds like coward talk.

>>717188649
People who argue DK would overshadow Dixie forget that DK got the final blow in DKC2's first ending and nobody minded it.

>>717188281
>open indy game
>depression inside

>>717188442
>>717189720
yeah no. this is crap.
the best thing I can say about DKC3 GBA's ost is that it has elements of being proto-Tropical Freeze.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wbs1JqaxAk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1vsBsCoK_I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1vsBsCoK_I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7RJK3VdsVQ

>>717188649
They still would have had to do all new DK sprites

>>717187869
To be fair, this guy was a piss take on Sonic.

>>717187669
>Country
>DK COUNTRY
>COUNTRY

REEEEEEEEEEEE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVlj3sB294w
>mod of questionable quality that never even came out somehow got god-tier music

>>717187775
No they don't, you retard, the only main DK games that take place in Donkey Kong Country are DKC1, DK64, DKCR and DKCTF. DKC2, DKC3 and Bananza take place elsewhere.

>>717190292
Yeand? (Short for yeah and)

>>717190287
>this is crap.
>posts more good music.
Again, animals, the lot of you.
Acquired taste, I guess.

>>717190287
whoops wrong link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dB7H9QbGPbI

>>717181048
>You can't really give her a bigger, stronger male partner without her being overshadowed by him
She overshadowed Diddy in his own game.

>>717147068 (OP)
Kiddy Kong was a shit character, the levels and music were forgetable and it had way too much gimmicky shit like the whole oveworld/vehicle thing and DK coin keepers.

>>717187338
Jungle Beat was made by Galaxy team kino? Cool. I'll check it out once it comes to Switch Online.

>>717190361
Proof?

>>717188281
Resident Evil at the Gold Saucer.

>>717147068 (OP)
too many without autism got filtered by a Simon Says/Bop it mini-game

The music for the Kremwood Forest levels plays in my head whenever I read about spooky shit innawoods like Bigfoot or the Missing 411. That's good music that sticks with you.

>>717180559
>the game hints at a nature vs. technology theme

Lol no, The game hints at a "monsters in the woods" type theme. K.roolenstein even has the Frankenstein monster get up to tell you as such.

>>717195560
Another thing I hated about this game was the shitty enemy design. Pirate Kremlings was such a flawless fit, only to be abandoned to whatever the fuck this turd was.

>>717196772
The 2nd game was pirate themed you retard. It only works for that game.

>>717196930
> The 2nd game was pirate themed you retard. It only works for that game.

There was no reason to deviate from it, motherfucker.

Every DKC scholar knows that:

2 > 3 > 1

Disregard anyone who claims otherwise

>>717197275
t. autist scared of change

>>717181635
That's your issue, not the length of his arms?

>>717166161
>He also better fit the tone of the game, which is a comfy, low stakes adventure and doesn't overshadow Dixie as the protagonist like DK obviously would have.

Retrospectively, Lanky would have been a better partner

>goofy vs Dixie being more serious
>long arms can justify him being able to throw Dixie well
>still quite a bit bigger than Dixie so it makes sense that you can hurt enemies when you throw him with Dixie

>>717184424
The enemies look different because the area you're at is far away from DK Isle and Crocodile Island.

>>717190287
The GBA OST has some great songs but man Wise was going through some environmental spinds phase or something because so many of the songs are ruined by long periods where the song just doesn't happen and it's instead just sounds.

>>717147068 (OP)
DKC3 is over hated by autists because
>muh dk!!!!

>>717147068 (OP)
It came out after the N64 was released, so no one really cared for it.

>>717160538
so it's just preference issue

>>717147068 (OP)
Imagine the meta-kino if there had been a fourth one:
>DKC1: Donkey & Diddy
>DKC2: Diddy & Dixie
>DKC3: Dixie & Kiddy
>DKC4: Donkey & Kiddy

>>717147068 (OP)
Because DK fans always were Sonic tier autists

>Donkey Kong Country
>you only play as Donkey Kong in the first game
How did Miyamoto let this happen

>>717147717
GBA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG_wBWegGXI

SNES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpUC9gGkVm0

GBA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSrC5KVOAHU

SNES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEyWxP3vehQ

snes is way better

>>717147068 (OP)
Appreciation post of the OST of the GBA version of DKC3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8dKMIHhNLU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE3kkmovWSA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rqr6lrZMYs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43O86epvSWI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvYECUbgCBY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9fZkRqgdBo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSrC5KVOAHU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dB7H9QbGPbI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viitIS079y4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrZMfiyx-qI

>>717202320
These isles are apart of DK country

>>717202320
Looking back it's crazy that they let some still relatively unknown British studio do whatever the fuck they wanted with the IP that singlehandedly consolidated Nintendo as a videogame developer. Imagine something like that happening today.

>>717203068
>consolidated

>>717203068
Rare knew how to do business.

>>717203068
Not super surprising when you realize this is the same company that saw a floundering American studio trying to make like 4 games at once and slapped them and said go make a Metroid game.

>>717161185
I played it recently and it's fantastic.

>>717202919
you ever hear vid related?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcqxaoIcJlw

>>717203323
nintendo is weird when it comes to devs they get in close with. I wouldn't be surprised if they still had guys from Argonaut and Paradigm working for them.

>>717205238
I've heard it, it's impressive. I'm looking forward to what he does about Stilt Village.

>>717205238
Not really music related, but I always thought these particular levels were kind of ugly. Usually the concepts were decent but the levels even performed poorly on the hardware at times.

>>717147068 (OP)
Chunky Kong should have been grown up Kiddy Kong.
Tiny Kong should have been Dixie Kong.
Fact!

>>717206738
DKC3 pushed the SNES to its limits. And still there aren't many slowdowns

>>717205418
Well we know Nintendo is generally selective about talent and you have people who've worked there intimidated by just how competent they are I imagine Nintendo's top brass and devs have some sort of process for guaging potential.

>>717196930
K rool was a pirate with a fucking pirate ship in DK1.....

>>717160618
>DKC2 > DKC TF > DKC R 3D > DKC > DKC 3 > DKC R Waggle edition
FTFY.

>>717209386
I don't get the tropical freeze hype. The art looks kinda, bland and shitty. I won't deny the levels kind of transforming and "telling a story" is cool, but the animals, enemies, bosses, and general environments look so plastic and soulless

>>717147068 (OP)
It was old news even during development

>>717209605
I've never really had a strong opinion about the art of any of the games, the fake 3D sprites from the OG games were always kind of soulless in my eyes, just like Mortal Kombat.

>>717209850
really?
I fuckin love digitized sprites

>>717197293
First game stands above the rest.

>>717147068 (OP)
Kiddy is gross, and the enemy designs are shit more often than not.
It seems like some of them have a sort of Technology theme which matches Baron K. Roolenstein and KAOS, such as the buzzes, the Bazookas, and the Kopters (arguably) but the rest are just disparate weirdos that look ugly as fuck.

Shame, the atmosphere was fantastic.

DKC3 sucks but fuck me if the northern kremisphere isn't comfy as hell as a setting

>>717190287
>that rockface rumble
What the fuck have they done? Who the fuck listens to that and says its better than this?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qntu2QvHQRE&pp=ygUPcm9ja2ZhY2UgcnVtYmxl

>>717210447
It looks nice but it had no business being a DKC game. As a Rare SCRIMBLO game where you play as 2 kids at summer camp where "something ain't right" it would have been ultimate kino, but as a sequel to DKC2 its aesthetic is whack

>>717210576
>Rare in charge of making their own human characters
Yes, I'm sure that would've done really well.

>>717210865
>post dkc2 rare in charge of anything

>>717211108
True, Banjo and Kazooie are also abominations.

>>717211169
>abominations
What. Do you mean anon, they look...... They look......they look go*vomits*

>>717211276
DELETE THIS.

>>717211276
Kazooie is giving me those "fuck me" eyes.

>>717198831
he had literally a month to make it, cut him some slack

>>717147068 (OP)
>Why was DKC3 forgotten?
Forgotten by who?
It's not fucking forgotten.

>>717211941
If anything, games like Jungle Climber or King of Swing are forgotten. Hell, compared to the Country trilogy, even titles like DK'94 or Jungle Beat are forgotten moreso than DKC3.

I've never understood the issue people had with Kiddy, always thought he was funny and I liked the water bounce trick.

>>717201519
>Donkey and Kiddy game
>More emphasiss on Kiddy's ball rolling form
>could have had Donkey throw Kiddy and bounce him off walls/enemies or to reach high places
>Kiddy riding on rolling donkey for speed
>could have had Donkey copter from Smash as a replacement for Dixie's air spin
Yknow, this might have worked.

>>717212213
>king of swing
KINO spritework

>>717212213
Which is a shame, since DK94 clears DKC3 easily.

>>717212606
The latter half of 94 is kinda annoying but yeah it's still great

>>717212213
DK'94 isn't really in the same series, it's more of a Mario game that's masquerading as a remake of the original arcade title, but it is sadly kind of forgotten despite being excellent Miyamoto's best game (IMO). Jungle Beat was doomed to it by being made for the Bongos and tossing all the Country characters despite being great in its own right; I want to believe they might put it on the NSO Gamecube lineup but it won't be the same even with Joycon motion control.

All 3 DKC games are good, and the trilogy is stronger for having each game be as distinct as they are. The sooner you realize this, the sooner you'll find inner peace and stop outing yourself as complete fucking retard.

>Donkey Kong Country
>a light play on Super Mario World, this is the Donkey Kong equivalent of Mario World
>DKC2: Diddy's Kong Quest
>a play on Diddy's Conquest as he conquers and lays claim to a brand new area
>DKC3: Dixie Kong's Double Trouble
>a play on..... Nothing, the title indicates that uhhhhhh, you play as two character, which has always been the case for DKC

>>717212981
NOOOOO I CANT ENJOY THINGS UNLESS ITS A COMPETITION
I FEEL ISOLATED IN THIS SOCIETY AND NEED SOME SEMBLANCE OF A TRIIIIIIIIIIIIBE

>>717213048
>first trouble, she has to find the missing DK and Diddy
>second trouble, Funky forces her to watch her baby cousin, Kiddy
Really gets the noggin joggin'

>>717213048
The double trouble is having to babysit her cousin while trying to rescue both Diddy and Donkey.

>>717212436
Killing off Wrinkly is still one of the weirdest things happened in a Nintendo series

>>717213442
>>717213550
That's just a statement of fact, theres no double entendre

>>717213048
>a light play on Super Mario World, this is the Donkey Kong equivalent of Mario World
In Japan it's called Super Donkey Kong, which makes much more sense since it's the equivalent of Mario Bros to SMB in turning an arcade game into a console sidescroller.

>>717147068 (OP)
>worse graphics
>awful enemy design
>partners are detriments
>soundtrack ranges from fart sounds to silence
>needless overworld to pad runtime
>awful levels
>even worse boss fights
>simon says
>terrible ending
Hope that helps

>>717213751
CHING CHONG CHING CHONG SUPAH DONKIIKONGUDESS!

>>717213793
And then there's the stupid nigger showing up in a thread 20 hours late with the usual parroted youtuber talking points that have already been debunked.

>>717213751
It's boring. They made the right call. SNES games injecting 'Super' and N64 games injecting '64' is a clear example of boomers being fucking retarded at marketing.

>>717213578
>Killing off Wrinkly is still one of the weirdest things happened in a Nintendo series
She should have unironically been a fossil in Bananza.
Actually. Maybe that would actually have been a bit too much.

>>717214116
>gay horny LabradonkeyKong exhumes Wrinkly's corpse
Yeah that might have been a bit too far

>>717214185
>LabradonkeyKong

>>717147316
Kongu no pico

>learned the DKCfags scream about gimmicks vs pure platform all day every day
>there's people not having fun with animal companions
>or being animals
>or go kart missions
>or fast paced scrolling missions
>no variety just run and jump
I don't get it. Every other classic platform has run and jump but also other mechanics. Why do people want DKC to legitimately have less to do? Especially since the games still have plenty of those simpler levels.

The GBA OST has a better song for the first level but is worse than SNES for almost every other song in the game. SNES's OST is much more moody. I don't know how anyone can play Ripsaw Rage and say "yeah, I prefer GBA."

>>717215154
The animals are more or less your basic kit but better. Snake jumps higher, fish swims faster, ostrich runs faster. DKC3 is just pure gimmick shit
>like, what if your controls were reversed?
>like, what if you were in a rocket that requires fueling
They're closer to Mario Party minigames than something that organically fits like the animals.

>>717215353
They're just parroting other people's opinions. A great many people haven't even played the GBA versions of the DKC trilogy.

>>717215364
>what if your platform required fueling
>what if the stage lights flickered off and on
>what if enemies had stop/go mechanics
Come on anon...

>>717215514
Again, those are types of platforms in a platforming game. The rocket is a completely new type of control, a new type of level, and a new type of collectible. All dumped in your lap in a single level. It's absurd.

>>717147068 (OP)
>Why was DKC3 forgotten?
Because of this little release two months prior

>>717215364
>The animals are more or less your basic kit but better
The animals definitely don't feel like the basic kit at all. Their speeds, weight, and navigation are all different. I'd hate to play the whole game as any of the animals but love them in levels built around them. And mario minigames suffer too many RNG factors. Gimmick levels are way more controlled and offer a variety of controls and setups to learn.

>>717215952
>The animals definitely don't feel like the basic kit at all. Their speeds, weight, and navigation are all different.
Right, they have downsides to balance their advantages. Snake can jump high, but he moves like a hoppy retard. Fish can swim fast and stab, but can't exist outside of water. Spider can make platforms, but his hitbox is gigantic.

>>717215154
It's especially retarded since on purely platforming fundamentals, DKC can't compete with something like Super Mario World. Those movement physics blow Rare's out of the water (and the gap would become even more massive with Mario 64 vs Banjo). The strength of the DKC series was the diversification of gameplay, between the different playable characters, combined moves, animal buddies and different gimmicks in each level the game kept itself fresh even moreso than SMW despite the lack of nuance in pure platforming.

>>717215364
>>717215652
The rocket is basically a reward for fully completing the game, hardly even a real level, more like a little novelty. And you can tell that it was a last minute addition since the controls barely work (and they were fixed in the GBA game).

Anyway, the inverted controls are hardly any more egregious than something like the shitty wind in one of the Squaws levels in DKC2.

>>717216470
Wind is a legitimate obstacle with physics. Reversing your controls is just "durr, we couldn't design a properly challenging level, so here's your difficulty."

>>717212815
The one level that the GBA blows away the SNES version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1-Wln_AnpA

>>717203068
Donkey Kong was considered a less important IP by Nintendo before DKC1. Mario was the money maker, the last DK game was Donkey Kong 3 which was a bomb.

>>717212981
Exactly.

>>717210865
That game was awesome

>>717216575
Both are an arbitrary handicap to your movement, not significantly different. The inverted controls aren't even anything new since they were a staple of platforming games with reverse gravity on NES, there were a bunch of those.

>>717217218
Reverse gravity doesn't reverse controls, my 75 IQ friend. Are you brown, perchance?

>>717217358
Depends on the game. But considering how angry you seem to be about the reverse control in one level, that little extra processing power required of your brain must have hit you hard.

>>717217853
>uh actually i'm right sometimes, depends on the game
>no i won't name them
>doesn't deny being brown

>>717210207
>the atmosphere was fantastic
Meh.

I've boiled down my conclusion as to why DKC3 is generally referred to as the worst of the trilogy to one thing. It doesn't have any of the barrel-focused levels like Snow Barrel Blast or Bramble Blast.

>>717217940
You mean like you're unable to argue how the wind randomly pulling you left and right in an otherwise easy and unremarkable level is any less arbitrary difficulty than that DKC3 level, so now you're sperging out with random insults?

>>717212703
>but it won't be the same even with Joycon motion control.
I mean, nintendo would probably port the wii version rather than the gamecube version

>>717218491
Mario 2J has wind levels. They have always been the final frontier for aerial difficulty, because it requires understanding things like jump arcs and other such nuances. Your shit is just
>DURRR LEFT MEANS RIGHT HURRRR

>>717166161
Dixie is the worst Kong, in a game like DKC, you'll want to micromanage your jumps, sometimes pressing and holding Y before you land so you can start running as you land, but if you do that as Dixie, you lose momentum, she's just a crutch and the crutch is actually a detriment to the gameplay, weird how Diddy and Dixie swapped in Tropical Freeze

>>717208628

theyre good at it somehow

Next Level Games and MercurySteam weren't that great without nintendo's involvement

>>717218641
>because it requires understanding things like jump arcs and other such nuances.
How does that matter in DKC2, where it's used in a Squaw level with zero platforming? It's literally just a level long gotcha trying to to throw you into spikes if you're not ready, nothing remotely sophisticated. It's the most hated level in the game for a reason, along with other stupid shit like Hot Air Ride (wanna try defending that too?)

>>717218873
Retro seems to be back to being borderline retarded, with how the development of Prime 4 is going. Like are we seriously looking at *another* potential delay to 2026?

Tard wrangling is something Nintendo generally excels at, what gives? They didn't have too much of an issue with their DKC duology.

>>717219206
Because you learned to fly the bird in windless levels, now try something even harder. To be honest, you're too dumb for my tastes and I won't be responding anymore.

>>717219287
ninty gave them too much leniency post-Tropical Freeze and they floundered like a fish

>>717218871
>Dixie is the worst Kong
get out

>>717219293
With "something harder" not being a thighly designed, harder level, but the game randomly pulling the rug under you every 5 seconds. Brilliant.
Anyway about time you ran away like a bitch, usually you don't get lazy trolls like this in these threads.

>>717219490
>get out

>>717167386
Don't shame his barrelsona

>>717147357
>Hubworlds in a platformer are dumb
the dkc hubworld did not cause anyone ever to forget it, it was a mildly neat feature of the game. not important but had no negative impact.

>>717219682
dkc3 hubworld

top

>>717147068 (OP)
Dkc1 set the standard
2 raised the bar in almost every way, and although dk wasn't playable, diddy was, so it didn't feel so disconnected
3 tried to coast on dixie's following, tried to make a baby endearing (if anyone played yoshi's island, they were over baby characters), and the collectathon-ing went to far

>>717150319
this rocks

>>717147316
Adolf Shitler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPGRtlZLiSI&list=RDCPGRtlZLiSI&start_radio=1

>>717218873
Although not as dire they wrangled Monolithsoft into being far more efficient too.

>>717222072
Only thing that kind of sucks about that is Monolithsoft staff getting pulled off their own projects and helping out with whatever Nintendo requires assistance with. I don't know the finer details of it but still.

>>717222864
They probably have a set of devs dedicated to helping with Nintendo and a set that develops whatever gane they're making, that could be confirmed by looking at various credits I guess.

If nobody's gonna post it, I will.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHcn1cmruRo

>>717219827
>sexy giantess cavegirl from conker in bottom tier
you sir are a rascal

Anyone else think Kiddy "grew up" into Chunky Kong?

>>717224049
I think they're canonically siblings.

>>717224049
No. They are brothers, so it would be weird for that to happen.

>>717224084
>>717224102
Oh they are? I didn't play DK64 lol

>>717147068 (OP)
It's set in Canada

why did they make tiny kong “sexy” in later games btw? pretty weird

>>717224315
heterosexual men still made games back then

>>717224315
Miyamoto unironically.

>>717213048
DKC2 is partially a lampooning of DKJR

>>717147068 (OP)
Because people only like the Country games because they want to fuck Diddy Kong's monkey bussy.

>>717226154
That's just you, Ranjesh. Please do not the monkey saar please!

>>717224315
I assume it was to probably make her more different from Dixie, especially since a lot of people used to wonder why DK64 didn't just have her be Dixie to begin with. Probably helps that the first time they used the design, was having her take Banjo's place in Diddy Kong Racing DS, so having her be a big character was helpful for that.

>>717149898
I wonder if this Game over screen gave people a fetish for forcibly treating mature kids or adults like babies.

>>717157103
There was no standardization at the time. Considering how much people complain about the NSMB standardization I would think people here would appreciate the risks made in DKC3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkQoCZXbXxs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOLc6bZRRLY

Lack of personality

>>717157103
I don't really mind, DKC3 is set somewhere else anyway.

>>717227343
I do appreciate it. I like how the game is just fucking cool and unique. I like the aesthetics and music. I like how the overworld feels like North America which differentiates it from 1 and 2. I like that it has personality and charm. It's truly a game from another era. The era of the first 3 games really just feels like Rare making conceits to nobody and just doing whatever they felt like. And this of course disappeared after Rare left. Even though Returns is a totally fine game, it's basically just "the motions", and Retro and Nintendo did not inject or invent anything new or crazy. Once you have a very established game series it's easier to simply rehash a bunch of stuff. And especially from the perspective of newcomer developers, I imagine, it's harder to want to break the format or go crazy. Rare were in a unique position where they were both rebooting something and making something completely original as you can see >>717225812 , and therefore it's difficult to recapture that energy.

>>717190216
Because he spent the whole game as a damsel in distress his sidekick and his sidekick's girlfriend were trying to rescue.

>>717147068 (OP)
The GBA version is better.

>>717147068 (OP)
Because no one wanted to play as Kiddy Kong, what a completely dogshit design

>>717228517
>Returns is a totally fine game, it's basically just "the motions"
Never understood why Retro DKC is jerked off so much. The physics are all wrong especially for roll jumps and the art style is sterilized compared to Rare DKC. It has competent level design but it doesn't have the so-called x factor of its predecessors.

>>717147068 (OP)
Because the Country games were always shit that sold on "muh pre-rendered graphics" but by the time 3 came out the PS1 and N64 had actual real 3D graphics to wow people. So DKC3 could no longer distract people from its terrible gameplay with its imitation 3D.

>>717228732
That level is one of the few moments in DKC3 that I 100% prefer to use Dixie. Kiddy has too large of a hit box sometimes, it's a nuisance

>>717147316
Reskinned donkey kong. They couldn't make a dkc game with dixe and dk because they both hold the barrel above their head

>>717170406
God, I want another studio to handle the DK series and still make them as good as Rare and Nintendo. DK Spin-offs are only likely if another studio dedicates itself to the franchise.

>>717147068 (OP)
Came out after the 64. Its my favorite dkc game because i like the gimmicks and they made it possible to 100% without a guide

>people complaining about k. rool's motivation to change the world in bananza
>when he wanted world domination in 3

DKC2 is more fun to just run through any% but DKC3 is the most fun to 100%, and even has a unique bonus boss. The bonus boss in DKC2 is just a shitty shorter version of the normal final boss. Unlocking the helicopter was kino.

>>717230975
His jetpack was Kaos in the new game

>fight KING K. Rool on a pirate ship in DKC1
>fight KAPTAIN K. Rool in a castle in DKC2
explain this donktheists

>>717231324
Every setting hints towards his appearance in the next game.

>>717231324
Except you fight K. Rool in a skyship during 2.

>>717231515
The Flying Krock... home...

I find it funny how it's revealed K Rool has a wife in DKC3.

>Bowser has a son

Why are all the big bads in Mario universe family men?

>>717231872
>Why are all the big bads in Mario universe family men?

>>717230975
K Rool didn't want to change the world in Bananza be wanted to eat it, dude's crazy.

>>717213578
Rare liked to 'continue' their DKC series and didn't want to leave any character stagnant. Funky could be more than just the surfer dude, Cranky could be a mad scientist and Kongs could even die. It made the world feel exciting to go back into.

>>717212436
It's a shame I didn't play those when I was a kid.

Are there any good mods or hacks of DKC 2 or 3? I’ve been itching to replay them but I know the games too well by now.

>>717232809
Russian Roulette

>>717219827
I liked the redesigned Banana Fairies in Barrel Blast.

>>717232914
Would