Thread 717155862

Was there any other solution?
Did Arthas do the right thing?

>>717155862 (OP)
If you don't cull Stratholme, Lordaeron dies that day. Going to Northrend was a mistake, but done with good intentions.
Jaina and Uther are ass clowns.

>there must another way
Well there wasn't.
Though if Arthas didn't go to north and didn't resurrect kel'thuzad they couldn't bring archimonde in.
So maybe the humans could have prevented the invasion?

>>717155862 (OP)
>Was there any other solution?
magic

>>717155862 (OP)
no and no

>>717155862 (OP)
>Reforged
You suck ass op.

>>717155862 (OP)
Who cares? Blizzard wiped him from existence to the point he does even exist in the afterlife.

>>717155862 (OP)
yes and yes

>>717156414
mfw Arthas is safe from further Blizzard raping

>>717155862 (OP)
Quarantine.

CK3 WC showed this.

Alternatively, moving to Theramore.

>>717155862 (OP)
no only brainlets defend arthas

>>717155862 (OP)
There could be whatever solution the writers felt like. But you're not supposed to know, the story wouldn't work if you did.

>>717157131
>quarantining a zombie plague
Might as well call it "feeding the infected"
And that's not even taking into account the Dreadlord roaming the city.

>>717155862 (OP)
There wasn't, he did. Even if there was another way to save them, the people started turning in minutes, there was no time to implement anything, and Mal'ganis was actively rampaging through the city teleporting freshly turned zombies out. Stratholme was doomed before they even got there.

The real mistake was Arthas going to Northrend, but there was nothing anybody could do about that either, the Lich King had Arthas dialed in way in advance because of his kooky powers. If Jaina and Uther had gone with him, they would have died there and you'd be down a faction in the final mission. What you should really be asking is if the Night Elves needed the extra help at all, Medivh could have gone and warned them first. If they'd taken him seriously, the druids would have been wakened much sooner.

>>717156205
Better to die with dignity than becoming an oathbreaker
That's the point of being a fucking paladin retard
And you will never know if Lordaeron truly goes down if they don't cull stratholme

>>717157289
Oathbreaker? Arthas's role as future monarch obligates him to not let his kingdom die. He morally can't allow Stratholme to turn and destroy the rest of Lordaeron, by his duty as heir to the kingdom.

>Was there any other solution?
we'll never know because Uther punked out like a faggot
getting turned into the undead fucks your soul out of going to the afterlife and you basically go into hell when you die so arthas did all the infected a favor

>>717157337
>He morally can't allow Stratholme to turn and destroy the rest of Lordaeron, by his duty as heir to the kingdom.
But that's exactly what he did

>>717157337
yeah it was his duty to kill his citizens, kill tourself retard
he's also a paladin so the retard is a two time oath-breaker
next time just listen to Uther, bitch

>>717157289
>oathbreaker
That isn't how warcraft paladins work, as long as they believe what they're doing is right, the Light responds to a paladin's call. Culling Stratholme didn't affect his powers in any way, in fact they only got stronger.

>>717157387
>Uther punked out like a faggot
It's worse than that. Uther was so morally opposed to the culling that he outright refused orders from the Prince to carry it out. BUT his moral indignation wasn't strong enough to do anything to stand in Arthas's way. If he's so fucking moral to the point where he can't have these people die, he is also morally obliged to defend them. And he just leaves.

>>717157476
>Culling Stratholme didn't affect his powers in any way, in fact they only got stronger.
Yeah dude, he literally lost his mind and followed malganis to the ends of the earth
But killing his own people didn't fucking affect him or his oath to his people as a paladin and prince
You people are actually retarded

>>717157467
i like how palacucks think themselves as honorable demigods that can do no wrong yet time and time again we see that they're basically just morons with a crutch that they don't deserve and more easily corruptible than even dudes who are strong and good with a sword (warriors)
no wonder the latter run kingdoms and lead armies while the paladins just sit in church

>>717157482
Uther's not that great of a guy if you examine his actions, neither are the other paladins. Lordaeron was being actively destroyed by Arthas and multiple paladin orders were sitting around, twiddling their thumbs and defending a fucking urn instead of taking the fight to him.

>>717157458
>But that's exactly what he did
After having his soul eaten by a magic devil sword. Unrelated to culling Stratholme.
>>717157467
>yeah it was his duty to kill his citizens
Yes, it most absolutely was. It was the moral and righteous decision to protect the innocent from the lost and the damned.

>>717157482
>BUT his moral indignation wasn't strong enough to do anything to stand in Arthas's way
Arthas was his friend, pupil and prince
Don't talk about morals faggot, you're defending a guy who went against all advice and killed his own people and then sold his soul to Satan

>>717157561
What? Play the game, his powers literally get stronger despite culling Stratholme, even after burning his own ships and betraying the mercenaries, his powers kept growing. He even retained them for a while after taking up Frostmourne.

>>717157637
>Unrelated to culling Stratholme.
No it's all related

>>717157697
Sure in the sense that if Lordaeron is destroyed by the Stratholme zombies Arthas doesn't turn to the Scourge since everyone dies right there.
All Stratholme did to Arthas was to isolate him for making the right call. The desperation of being alone drove him into the trap, he wasn't turned evil by Stratholme.
If anything it's Uther's fault for abandoning him.

>>717157679
Powers don't matter to this argument

>>717157796
Then being a paladin is irrelevant. Which it is anyways since his role as future monarch is more important and why he has to kill the city.

>>717157679
>his powers literally get stronger despite culling Stratholme
THIS DOESNT MEAN HE'S NOT A FUCKING OATH BREAKER YOU STUPID FUCKING NIGGER
WHAT WAS FUELING HIM WAS VENGEANCE NOT THE LIGHT
IF THE LIGHT WAS WITH HIM HE WOULD NOT HAVE FOLLOWED MALGANIS AND WOULDNT NOT HAVE LOST HIS MIND
Holy shit arthascucks are actual braindead apes

>Entire plot only occurs because Arthas, Uther, Jaina, and Medivh never take a five minute breather to talk to exchange exposition
>Human/Undead Campaign doesn't even end AFTER the paid expansion and you have to wait six years and pay a flat rate + monthly fee + two expacs + tip to play a game that plays completely fucking different just to see the ending
Baffles me that people talk about WC3 like it's the second coming of christ when it was only good for its map editor and multiplayer, which of course Blizzard stole and monetized.

>>717157826
>WHAT WAS FUELING HIM WAS VENGEANCE NOT THE LIGHT
Why did he ask the magic sword to protect his people, rather than to give him the strength to murderfuck Mal'Ganis?

>>717157796
They literally do if you're arguing Stratholme should have made him fall as a paladin. They don't work like D&D paladins, the oaths are entirely irrelevant, they literally get their powers from a sentient being (God pre-wow, Naaru post-wow) that decides on a whim if what they're doing is good or bad. Culling Stratholme was the correct thing for him to do as a paladin, and the proof that it was is that he not only didn't lose his powers for doing it, his powers got stronger.

>>717155862 (OP)
Reforged. Kys

>>717157780
>All Stratholme did to Arthas was to isolate him
He lost his soul when he killed his own people. He turned dark, in literally the next mission he can't even feel the cold of Northrend, such is his heart. His lust for vengeance (remember mission 2 when Uther tells him vengeance corrupts you) is what isolates him, not because his friends desert him (also not true, he talks to Jaina before he leaves and she begs him not to go). You are a projecting, parentless fuck desperate for attention and approval.

>>717157780
>All Stratholme did to Arthas was to isolate him for making the right call
Yeah you're an actual fucking retard

Arthas kills innocent citizens in Stratholme > goes to Northrend

Arthas doesn't kill innocent citizens in Stratholme > doesn't go to Northrend

You niggers are retarded, it's that simple, Stratholme is literally ground zero for every action taken after that.

>>717158030
>Arthas doesn't kill innocent citizens in Stratholme
>doesn't go to Northrend
Of course he wouldn't.
Because he and everyone in Lordaeron would be dead.

>>717157825
>>717157925
What the fuck are you even talking about retard, nobody is talking about powers, we're talking about honor and dignity

>>717158060
>Don't send Uther away
>Uther helps you kill Malganis
>???
>Profit!

>>717158074
And I'm telling you that honor and dignity as a paladin Does. Not. Work. The way you think it does in Warcraft.

>>717157925
it's not that the god or light decides if actions are good/bad and grants powers accordingly, it just comes down to whether the person has enough faith and conviction in what they are doing is righteous. case in point the light users of the scarlet order doing all their evil shit and can still use the light

>>717158169
What are you on about retard, honour and dignity are words in the English dictionary, go look them up

>>717157997
Vengeance fags never have an answer for why Arthas explicitly enters a Faustian deal to burn his own soul in exchange while asking "help me save my people" when he could be asking the sword to grant him vengeance in exchange for his soul.
>hurr durr they're the same he wants to save his people by killing Mal'Ganis
The phrasing matters because Arthas has nobody to impress. In the most important moment of his life where he knows he's sacrificing his soul, he singles out his people as his motivator. Because he is a hero.
Being a soulless nigger yourself, I'm sure that's beyond you.

Why did Archimonde even need Nerd'zhul? I love how the antagonists just lose because they're retarded. Always a sign of a great storyteller.

>>717158179
That's more on the end of post-wow lore, I'd rather not argue from that angle for Warcraft 3. At that point, the Light powers came from God and paladins would only lose them if God decided they were being improperly used. Arthas culling Stratholme then is definitive proof he did the right thing because he only got more powerful, even if his mental state was on the rocks. Whatever being was granting the powers clearly prioritised fighting the scourge over literally any other moral concerns.

>>717158110
The ???? phase is doing a lot of heavy lifting for saving the city that is infested with zombies who turn the people they eat into more zombies.

>barricade the entire city and surround it by dwarven steam engines, gyrocopters and gryphon riders, mortars
>even without dwarves, summon the mages of dalaran and high elves to help maintain the siege
>lay countermeasures while the plague is spreading (gunpowder kegs, mines)
>wait for the order of the silver hand to arrive and figure out the next steps
>if the city succumbs to the plague and paladins cannot lift the plague, blow it to high heavens
>march the army out and clear the eastern kingdoms

>>717158307
And where the fuck do you get those when Arthas rushed there seconds before people started turning?

>>717158307
>we fed the entire population of the second most populated city in the kingdom to zombies before blowing them all up but at least we didn't dirty our hands directly

>>717157872
>"Huh retard the sword is cursed we shouldn't touch it"
>"AH SHUT THE FRICK UP I WOULD SACRIFICE MYSELF FOR MAH PEOPLE"

Oh so the trip to northred was for his people? Not to kill mal'ganis? this is your argument? are you going to ignore everything else just to cope with one single line said while already under the influence of frostmourne?
Just ignore the next line...right...

>>717158350
Mages can teleport and shit, when it's convenient for the plot.

>>717158242
>Because he is a hero.
Thanks for the laugh, are you an FSB agent in training or something? Is this a test to see how well you can sell ridiculous ideas on the internet?

>>717158371
>I will give anything or pay any price, if only you will help me save my people.
In reference to his own immortal fucking soul. A real vengeful monster.

>>717158286
There's nothing in Warcraft 1, 2 or 3 that stipulates or backs up anything you are saying. They don't understand The Light in those games and certainly don't call it a God or God. It's just an enigmatic, mysterious Light (which we know as early as TBC is an alien basically). They attribute it to what is good because it heals the sick/wounded and harms undead/demons
We can only retrospectively assume that Arthas believed he was doing the right thing, and he got to keep his power because of it.

>>717158282
Because Archimonde can't summon himself dipshit

>>717158289
Actually they get the plague from eating the grain

>>717158350
>when Arthas rushed there seconds before people started turning?
That's not true though. Malganis says he's been waiting for Arthas.

>>717158307
>barricade the entire city and surround it by dwarven steam engines, gyrocopters and gryphon riders, mortars
There was no time to get them there. The only dwarves Arthas had at his disposal were a hunting party and mortar teams.
>even without dwarves, summon the mages of dalaran and high elves to help maintain the siege
It took Jaina more than twenty minutes to come back with reinforcements for Hearthglen, and Stratholme was turning in seconds after the mission begins.
>lay countermeasures while the plague is spreading (gunpowder kegs, mines)
Still not enough time, and that wouldn't help anyway because Mal'ganis was running around teleporting the zombies out.
>wait for the order of the silver hand to arrive and figure out the next steps
The Silver Hand was there, they fucked off.
>if the city succumbs to the plague and paladins cannot lift the plague, blow it to high heavens
Congratulations, you blew up an empty city after all the zombies turned and Mal'ganis teleported them out.
>march the army out and clear the eastern kingdoms
They are now dealing with the entire zombiefied population of Stratholme rampaging across the countryside turning any number of smaller villages with support from the cult of the damned having been going around tainting more grain and outright destroying villages even before Stratholme.

>>717158525
>malganis has control over when the plague starts working

>>717158425
Literally while begging to get the power of a cursed fucking blade lmao
You're a black fucking ape, kill yourself.

>>717158552
>The Silver Hand was there, they fucked off
Because Arthas told them to... Why do you lie?

>>717158429
>he doesn't know

>>717158617
neither do you

>>717158609
they had no business being there after they refused to slay the people seconds away from turning into zombies

>>717157131
CK3 doent have Mal Ganis teleporting out the infected
Quarantine wouldn't work, retard

>>717158564
He literally does, in the mission they only turn when you destroy the house or malganis destroys a house, and then he literally turns them.
>I will now turn this city household by household
Did you faggots even play this game?

>>717158591
Arthas knows it's "a cursed fucking blade", fucktard. He's actively sacrificing his soul. With the stated intent of saving other people.
I know the concept of self sacrifice is foreign to a monkey brained shitskin like yourself, but everything is spelled out. He's a hero. That's literally why it's tragic when he is twisted into a villain.

>>717158609
I didn't, I never said they fucked off on their own. Even if they had remained, your scenario requires they sit around twiddling their thumbs while Mal'ganis has free reign to turn the city. There was just no time and nothing to do but kill them before they turned, which is as merciful a fate as they could have.

>>717158650
We're literally talking about a scenario in which they aren't sent away you mongoloid. Don't you get tired of being wrong?

Could Uther have been persuaded if Arthas knew killing people before they turned saved their souls? When undead die they don't go to any type of afterlife and instead just suffer in some eternal void.

>>717158697
>He's actively sacrificing his soul. With the stated intent of saving other people.
DAMN THE MEN! ILL GET MY REVENGE
he said calmly

>>717158307
>Oh no all of New York is about to become an undead army in the thrall of a demon lord
>surely we can hold our position with this 100-man militia

>>717158724
Literally nothing could have been said to convince moralfag Uther. He's talking to Arthas when they observe a random civilian turn into a zombie and start attacking innocent people and he doesn't care.

>>717158724
Uther is retarded, so no. He saw what happened at Hearthglen and still didn't understand the peril.

>>717158664
All part of the Jailers plan. He predicted exactly when Jimmy the clerk was going to turn and instructed Malganis exactly when to drop the line for maximum effect

>>717158703
>There was just no time and nothing to do but kill them before they turned, which is as merciful a fate as they could have.
Based on what? That information is never given. This is literally your head canon, you're trying oh so hard to maintain contrarianism, it's embarrassing

>>717158741
>"take my soul"
>"just save Lordaeron!"
>he rampaged evilly

>>717158809
He didn't say that though

>>717158789
>Based on what?
Play the god damned mission, they start turning pretty fast, they were already turning during the cutscene. There literally wasn't time to do anything but kill.

>>717158829
>I will give anything or pay any price, if only you will help me save my people.
>take my soul, just save Lordaeron

Warcraft is one of those franchises I think could spawn some pretty interesting "What if" scenarios

>>717158809
>Goes off and raises his old horse from the dead
Was he really as evil as we all believe?

>>717158843
>they start turning pretty fast,
No they don't you fucking idiot, you can literally just keep malganis on the respawn timer and they'll never turn

PLAY THE FUCKING GAME

>>717158697
>Arthas knows it's "a cursed fucking blade"
And yet he still gets manipulated like one of the dumbest characters in the entire Warcraft universe
He’s in that damn cave because he wants to kill mal'ganis
He’s in Northrend because killing mal'ganis is all he cares about
He takes up frostmourne because that’s his one goal, to kill mal'ganis
Killing mal'ganis is the bait and fuel.
"saving his people" is just the excuse he tells himself to cope with all his failures and mistakes
If he really cared about his people, he wouldn’t be halfway across the world, playing with cursed swords while chasing a damn demon
Now again kill yourself you dumb retarded nigger
How are you missing the fucking point of your favourite character, it's sad

>>717158890
>just ignore the zombie turning in the cutscene, that doesn't count

>>717158876
He's lying to make good for the sword.

>>717155862 (OP)
>talk it out better
>have uthers men attack malganis directly, a job they can stomach, making it no longer a race
>send Jaina to dalaran, have her convince antonidas to convert durnholde internment camp into durnholde possible zombie internment camp
>cull stratholme as before, but those not obviously infected can be safely teleported to holding, where they can be monitored for signs of turning
>a copy of dalarans anti undead barrier can be set up around the quarantine zone, meaning any that do later turn fry
Arthas gets vindicated, malganis won't be able to convince Uther to go north, Jaina doesn't abandon lordaeron because she saw Uther fuck off and realised it was an option

>>717158931
In the Cutscene they just get sick and walk into the house, dipshit

>>717157289
>becoming an oathbreaker
hows that going for blue Uther?

Warcraft 3 was so good. Warcraft 4 when?

>>717158454
He never really seems intent on making him do it. What's taking so long?

>>717158940
The evil cursed sword would probably be more stoked on the deal if Arthas begged it to sate his overwhelming desire for demon blood.

>>717158881
That's what the WoW writers have been doing for the last decade or so. It's fucking terrible.

>>717155862 (OP)
HEIL HITLER

>>717158981
>Uther
We only care about True Paladins

>>717159006
Arthas already said that, Nerzhul already knows what drives Arthas. Arthas doesn't know what the sword knows though, so he says something he thinks sounds like it would please the spirits.

>>717159043
HEIL GARITHOS

>>717155862 (OP)
>>717156276
I agree, it wasn't the right thing, but there was no other way. They were going to turn too quickly for any other solution. Arthas then made his efforts pointless by going to Northrend. I remember him snarling at Medivh that nothing would make him abandon his people only for him to sail to Northrend after the next mission (which was the Culling of Stratholme.)

Uther Lightbringer
>trained Darth Vader
>didn't defend Stratholme
>couldn't bring Arthas back from Northrend
>couldn't defend the urn holding King Terenas's ashes
what a fucking loser at every turn

>>717159130
Good one Andrew Tate

>>717158282
https://vocaroo.com/1ogjmSia58BV

>>717156014
>Jaina and Uther are ass clowns.
This. If Jaina got off her high horse and went to Northrend with Arthas she could have offered him to unsheath a different kind of sword and he would have all forgotten about that retard dead orc in the freezer.

>>717159105
Medhiv wanted Arthas to abandon the land and take his people elsewhere and Arthas point blank refused to do that. He considers the land as important to defend as the people. Which is probably the most hard headed thing about him.

>>717159056
>I am going to fight for the light for millennia in the span of a few years, don't think about it too hard
>I will do anything for the light, and it's direct representative- oh wait it got oneshot by that demon guy. Meh swings and roundabouts
>I love my wife, which is why I'm ok with the fact she's off gargling void jizz with an ethereal every night
>I don't think I've even talked to my son

>>717155862 (OP)
Arthas was right.
Tereneas should have supported him by sending a big army to support him along with Uther. That way he would not have needed Frostmourn. Or Uther could have killed him if he tried to take the sword anyway.
But the plot needed to happen.

How did Archimonde get from Eastern Kingdoms to Kalimdor? He was way too big to fit on any boat, did he just swim?
23 years later and still no answer to this

>>717159259
he's so based

>>717159130
Honestly between him and tirion fordring I don't know who got undeservedly wanked more, fordrings original story was
>be old
>meet old orc
>fight old orc
>get spared, realise that being old sucks even if you're green
>save old orc from hanging
>give up paladin job to go be old

>>717159293
can't they just teleport his ass?

>>717155862 (OP)
No, and yes.

>>717156305
Also this

Arthas is the biggest virgin in the entire warcraft's universe. This dude is NEVER EVER in control of his own destiny.
>bossed around by Uther
>led by the nose by KT
>played by Malganis
>manipulated by NZ
>indirectly doing Archimonde and Sargeras' bidding
>Entire undead civil war/Northrend2 is NZ pulling on his leash to recall him
Arthasfags, explain yourselves immediately.

>>717159364
Most wow characters are so fucking boring.
I'm glad the dude got sharded by a random demon lmao
>>717159259
>>I will do anything for the light, and it's direct representative- oh wait it got oneshot by that demon guy. Meh swings and roundabouts

Legion's writers did him dirty with that shit...

>>717159178
>al dante

>>717159406
MOGGED ILLICHUD
That's all that matter at the end of the day

>>717159203
I think he just didn't want to listen to a random raven hobo from the streets. Would you listen when a homeless person tells you to pack up your house and GTFO across the continent?
Jaina only considered his words because she could feel his power.

Not making more WC games was so retarded
They literally killed the Warcraft IP

>>717159293
He can teleport you mong, he literally does it in game

>>717159460
Agreed. Unfortunately getting his dick chopped didn't prevent Blizz from giving him DBZ power levels, while taking a big fat shit on KT and Anub'Arak later on.

>>717159484
You should listen when the homeless person can turn into a bird and also knows where you are at all times and also his predictions seem to be coming true

>>717159484
>Would you listen when a homeless person tells you to pack up your house and GTFO across the continent?
That depends on if I observed this homeless man turning from bird into man, indicating that he's a magic hobo; and also if I'm already facing a zombie apocalypse, which indicates that shit is indeed hitting the fan like the magic hobo says.
On the other hand in this scenario I'm the fucking prince and this is my fucking kingdom, I'll be damned if I abandon these lands!

>>717159293
Zeppelins

>>717158928
So he should have just stayed in Lordaeron while Mal'Ganis sends swarms of Scourge at him? Retard

>>717159560
>when the homeless person can turn into a bird
And Arthas can fire holy laser beams and become immortal for a short while. Turning into a bird is rude, not special.

Arthas got very butthurt around the end of mission 5

Originally Jaina was meant to die so that would explain it a bit better. If they ever adapt this for film or tv they need to do a better job showing Arthas getting traumatized

>>717159676
>So he should abandon his people and turn into the Lich King? Retard

lordaeron, whatever happened there

>>717159709
Would people even know who Medivh is? And would they believe him if he told them he was still alive?

>>717157289
Uther broke his oath when he decided to leave.
If he was a true paladin he would have been in stratholme trying to cure the people before they turn and then die with dignity.
Instead he ran away like a bitch.

>>717159798
>Arthas got very butthurt around the end of mission 5
I'd be assmad too if I risked my ass defending Hearthglen from a concentrated zombie siege and then Uther sweeps in at the very end and starts belittling my efforts and taking credit.
Hearthglen was supposed to be some seriously traumatizing shit, and Arthas stopped sleeping afterwards.

>>717159948
>Uther broke his oath when he decided to leave.
I think you're right and I would argue that Uther should have fought Arthas if he truly was a paladin of the realm.

Every time I see Arthas I'm reminded of the hilariously awful Arthas model in hots.
Honestly the early Hots artstyle was so bad lmao

>>717159942
It's probably best for Medivh if nobody recognizes him considering he was basically the super antichrist that brought an interdimensional war to the world.

>>717159942
The Paladins should know. And the king perhaps too.
And all of them would immediately try to kill him again.

>>717159130
>could have solo'd the orc base
>sits around at base and tells arthas to go get them
He didn't even do anything for Strahnbrad

>>717160215
Iirc some of the other paladins like Tirion and Mograine weren't fond of Uther's grandstanding.

>>717159460
But Illidan is an incel tho

>most paladins are retarded, cucks or both
I don't get it....

>>717159942
In my headcanon, Jaina and Antonidas figure it out before she leaves

>>717160297
Tirion should've been in hots.

>>717160036
>"To teach the world that it no longer needed guardians."
My nigger in christ, they needed you to sound the alarm bells!

>>717160374
Like any good religious fundamentalist, it takes a zealous, closed mind to be a paladin. This often creates stubborn retards.

>>717160441
Yeah but he didn't actually fight for them.

>>717160478
That's what you get for being Lawful Stupid. Neutral Good wins again!

Why didn't Jaina just teleport to Stratholme?

Arthas did noting wrong. Normalfags kill each other for tribalism IRL and see nothing wrong with it but exterminating one city to delay or prevent the undead covfefe plandemic is le bad? Pardon my French but normgroid trash should have their vocal cords ripped out with pliers and raped in the throat until they're silenced forever.

>>717160640
>WhY dIdN't JaInA jUsT tElEpOrT tO a PlAcE sHe WaS aLrEaDy At??
Gee golly willikers Anon, it's a mystery!

>>717160723
ARTHAS LOST GET OVER IT CHUD

>humans
Thank god Orcs saved this franchise
https://youtu.be/etWWIRlDW4M

>>717155862 (OP)
arthas was right
uther and jaina are trash

>>717160640
You don't think Jaina was flicking her wet bean furiously while Arthas was shoving his sword into civilians? She watched the whole thing and her meaty, swollen cunt was throbbing and leaking juices. Arthas fucked her on a pile of plagued corpses while his penis was shoving maggots in her cunt with every thrust.

>>717160761
From Hearthglen

>>717155862 (OP)
Yes and yes. Uther and Jaina only had moral outrage to offer while giving no better alternatives was appalling and I'm surprised there are people who sided with them.

>>717160423
There are a lot of warcraft heroes I'd have put in hots.

>Arthas is confronted with a no-win scenario
>Uther has a boomer moment
>Jaina has a women moment
Somehow it is Arthas fault

>>717160838
>be orgrim doomhammer
>betray gul'dan because you don't like the fel
>betray thrall because you want to conquer
>betray gul'dan again because you don't like the fel
What the FUCK was his problem?

>>717160941
Actual mystery, she didn't teleport back to Hearthglen after giving the Silver Hand the heads up.

Idk why people blame Uther when he was fiercely loyal to Terenas who didn't care about whatever tf Arthas was doing

>>717161267
how does that relate to the topic at hand?

>>717161267
Because he doesn't do anything and then dies. His protege, his king and his kingdom all fell on his watch.

>>717161150
Just a smart orc looking out for himself, don't blame the player blame the game

>>717160928
Oh okay then.

>>717161267
>"omg someone is raping this woman"
>"Yeah I can't do anything"
This is literally uther

>>717161214
Yeah, that's weird too, although you could kind of write it off as maybe she was helping the Silver Hand? Honestly the logistics of the story make no sense.
I mean shit, Medivh's entire goofy ass existence in the plot is that of a nigga who knows everything, including the details of the Plague... uh, why don't you fucking fly around and tell people not to eat the grain? or just burn it yourself.
Fuck this stupid ass game.

>>717161757
yeah don't think too hard
a lot of the details are just sloppy to say the least

>>717161757
Prophets in media are generally unhelpfully cryptic when talking plain would help matters far more. Something something predestination paradox.

>Thassarian is the coolest DK
>so they made a manga about him
Based

>>717161904
That cover is chuuni as fuck

>>717161942
Sounds like it appeals to DK players

>>717161427
>>717161562
He did what was acceptable, should he also do a genocide on a whim as he pleases?

>>717155862 (OP)
No and yes.
The cherry on top is that JAINA KNEW. SHE FUCKING KNEW ARTHAS WAS TELLING THE TRUTH. SHE HAD ALREADY SEEN THE EFFECTS OF THE PLAGUE. AND SHE MADE HIM CARRY THE BURDEN ALONE AND WALKED AWAY ANYWAY

There was no realistic alternative. They dont know who was infected so they can't separate them. Waiting for them to transform so they can then kill their family isn't an option, and the transformation itself is painful and grotesque

>>717161267
They're /pol/tard brownoids who blame their own fathers for leaving them

>>717161757
>I mean shit, Medivh's entire goofy ass existence in the plot is that of a nigga who knows everything, including the details of the Plague... uh, why don't you fucking fly around and tell people not to eat the grain? or just burn it yourself.

Except he doesn't know everything and also he's a ghost, i swear you dumb niggers didn't play this game and just learned everything from wowpedia

I think I dreamed about this game last night, which is interesting considering I don't care about it.

>>717162119
>The cherry on top is that JAINA KNEW. SHE FUCKING KNEW ARTHAS WAS TELLING THE TRUTH. SHE HAD ALREADY SEEN THE EFFECTS OF THE PLAGUE. AND SHE MADE HIM CARRY THE BURDEN ALONE AND WALKED AWAY ANYWAY

rofl what the fuck are you talking about, she rushed away to get help AFTER Arthas figured out the plague turns you into the undead and rushes back to find Arthas talking about genocide. What shithole forum do you freaks come from?

>>717162170
He knows the burning legion is going to invade. He could have said "Look, there's a big demon army about to invade and they're going to use undead to weaken you first, that's what the plague is."

>>717157289
>It's better to doom the entire world than to mercy kill people who were already dead
Even the ones who weren't infected wouldn't be able to be saved because they have no way of knowing who is infected meaning you can't separate them and they'd die by ghoul anyway

>>717162265
>they're going to use undead to weaken you first, that's what the plague is."
How do you know he knows this

>>717162234
>goes away to find a solution
>come back with no solution
>arthas finds a necessary and temporary solution
>n-n-n-no arthas stop :(

women

>>717157131
>Quarantine.

>>717162280
>meaning you can't separate them
This is what quarantine is for, stupid

>>717162297
Same way he knew about the burning legion

>>717162336
you didn't play this game, that's clear as day now. go back to your discord freakazoid

>>717162387
but how do you know that

>>717162395
are you a woman? is that why you cannot comprehend the simplest of facts?

>>717162434
Because he knew about the burning legion

>>717158030
He would go to northrend no matter what because that's where malgabis went.>>717158110
>Teleports away to a different continent
Lol lmao even

>>717162395
?????

what solution did jaina come back with? you're putting so much emphasis on it so please elaborate

she found a "solution" AFTER the culling and that was to flee to kalimdor because medivh told her so, again, AFTER the culling, by then it was too late for arthas

>>717162575
You didn't play the game, you're spouting nonsense, there's no reason to continue responding to you, you're just wasting time for attention. Bye.

>>717162626
>y-y-you didn't play the game

ok brother elaborate what solution jaina had in store when arthas was about to go full on genocide

>n-n-no you're waste of my time

ok brother

>>717157856
i couldn't care less about the fanfic that is wow

>>717162351
You don't know who is infected. So your master plan is to put them all together so the healthy ones can get mauled to death by ghouls.
Brilliant. Plan.

>>717162870
I didn't really elaborate on a plan, but if that's your plan you're pretty fucking stupid lol

>>717162909
>didnt elaborate on a plan
>QUARANTINE THEM RETARD

someone call me an ambulance

>>717162909
You never had a plan because you lack the intelligence to form one, as shown by "just quarantine them bro no I don't know who is a about to turn just put them all in the same group bro

>>717163004
>>717163018
You didn't ask for a plan, and now you're crying that I didn't tell you already? Why are you so butthurt?

>>717163158
>>717162351
autism

>>717163208
If you stop arguing in bad faith you'll have more interesting conversations lol

when are you going to grow up?

>>717163268
>g-g-g-grow up!

its like talking to MAGA

>>717155862 (OP)
mask mandates and social distancing/

>>717155862 (OP)
This was the other solution.

>>717163331
seethe lmao

I have a lore (lmao) question about Warcraft.
Is Stormwind actually the only functional human city on the Eastern Kingdoms continent?
For an MMORPG you obviously have to contract the world so it makes sense from gameplay perspective,
but are there really just a couple of villages besides Stormwind, or are there supposed to be other towns and maybe even small cities as well?

>>717163518
>s-s-s-seethe i-i-i- don't wanna give you an explanation!!

ok

Arthas should have let the people turn into ghouls and fight them at the entrance. People die either way, but at least you are not killing the innocent.

>>717162046
>what was acceptable
>entire kingdom he serves gone
If the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use was the rule?

>>717162280
>>It's better to doom the entire world than to mercy kill people who were already dead
But enough about what Arthas actually did in the game

>>717157856
Anything that happens in World of LGBTcraft is not canon. The story will continue in Wacraft IV.

>>717163902
So everyone should do as they please at all times for what they deem as better?

>>717163706
Warcraft 3 had Lordaeron have a bunch of larger villages such as Strahnbrad, Hearthglen and Andorhal, and minor cities apart from the capital like Stratholme. It's not a stretch that the kingdom of Stormwind had similar population spread, but as you've noted, the game world is scaled down a lot from its actual lore size. It's strange that we don't see a lot of other settlements in the southern part of the Eastern Kingdoms in WoW though, but the events of the 3 Warcraft games were all apocalyptic scenarios with mass casualties, so it's not a stretch to say that the population of the Eastern Kingdoms was decimated by the time of vanilla WoW and a lot of these villages, towns and cities were destroyed and abandoned afterwards.

>>717159182
They were already fucking at this point, the novelizations all but confirm that teen Jaina was regularly bouncing on our prince. At the very least, she gave her virginity up to him.

It's clear to anyone with a brain that Arthas did nothing wrong. Culling Stratholme was the only option and any what ifs are just cuck fantasies playing make believe. It's also wrong to say a mistake was made following Mal'ganis to Northrend when Arthas believed the only way to stop the problem was at what he believed to be the source.

Arthas acted in the only way possible and anything after was him being a victim of fate.

Fact: Stratholme was 100% going to become a Hearthglen situation but to a scale of the second largest human city on the continent that would've lead to a snowball of death for the entire Eastern Kingdoms.

Fact: Mal'ganis wasn't going to just leave Lordaeron unmolested if Arthas didn't follow to Northrend, everything Mal'ganis had done up to this point was deliberately provoking Arthas by creating the biggest threat to the kingdom of Lordaeron that couldn't be neglected. Arthas was willing to pay any price to save his homeland by cutting off the source of the biggest threat facing his kingdom (and unknowingly doomed it due to the sword taking his humanity).

Fact: The faggot that was part of the development team that claims Arthas was wrong and 'We don't just kill Covid patients' was not involved in the writing process for Warcraft 3 at all, he was a level designer. Partially in part of his job to design the level would be to show that there was no way for Arthas to win other than culling the populace, which is further shown by Mal'ganis overwhelming the player once reaching 100 zombies and the ending cutscene after victory showing that the city still had survivors, people survived the culling so by the game's (and indeed the level designer's) own admission the culling saved peoples lives.

>>717164158
With events of War2 and War3 Humanity must be on the brink of extinction, but I don't know how WoW handles this.
A lot of fantasy often feels barren, some of those outposts could have maybe been made a little bit bigger and busier so they feel more like towns than a couple of sheds together, but limitations are limitations.
Still a bit silly that Theramore felt bigger in Warcraft 3 than it did in WoW

>>717164449
He could've gone west to the forgotten lands of Kalimdor

>>717164520
>With events of War2 and War3 Humanity must be on the brink of extinction, but I don't know how WoW handles this.
Basically every race is, but each capital presumably has a high enough population in lore to rebuild over time despite being pretty small in-game. Both Lordaeron and Stormwind as cities are substantially larger than the game versions suggest, nothing like a modern metropolis though.

>>717164701
>bro just travel west and let the demons win im sure they won't use the sunwell for nefarious shit
Is medivh rarted?

>>717164790
>doesn't state anything plainly
Yes

>>717164701
If Medivh couldn't convince the King, the one with the actual power to move his kingdom up and over the ocean then what hope would the crown Prince have? Even if Arthas had been convinced whatever people left behind (which would be the majority of the population) would be left utterly fucked to shit by the Cult of the Damned and Mal'ganis.

>>717165142
Then your choice is already made. Just remember, the harder you strive to slay your enemies, the faster you will deliver your people right into their hands.

>>717155862 (OP)
Should have kept the original script where it was left ambiguous whether they were infected or not. It would have made for a more compelling story that Arthas truly was a monster at Stratholme

>No Prophet, I will not take my people to Kalimdor. As the future King of Lordaeron and a Paladin of not only the Holy Light but the Silver-Hand, I will stay in Lordaeron and defend my people!
>What's that Mal'ganis? 1v1 you in Northrend? Aight bet, fuck the people. Falric, Marwyn prep the boats!

>>717164094
You mean like we're already doing it? Everybody does what they think is best, you idiot. Even abiding by the law and obeying a harsh moral code that you don't understand it's your choice what you found to be the best option available.

>>717165376
Arthas went to Northrend to kill Mal'ganis so that his kingdom would finally be rid of the Cult of the Damned. Also you're a nigger if you use niggerisms like bet. Nigger

>Arthas makes Thassarian kill his mother
Sad

They did my nigga Anub'arak dirty, Arthas had real bros along his journey and they were undead

>>717165376
They really needed another mission between the Prophet Cutscene and the Culling of Stratholme

>>717165480
In the new nerubian zone you can find some old messages King Anubarak sent to Queen Neferess begging her for soldiers because he was losing a war on 2 fronts. Even a messenger she threw in prison who is one of the last surviving Azjol Nerubians now
And she just never replied because the scourge was too op

>Muh Stratholme
Lose–lose situation

>>717165376
Remember he also cucked Kael'thas out of Jaina. Arthas was an absolute bastard to everyone around him. Very based.

>>717164449
This is the most truest post in this thread. Fact of the matter is, that Uther and Jenna's decision to leave Arthas when he needed them the most is what truly fucked everything up. I don't know if Uther or Jenna had any way to better detect the plagued citizens, but they sure as fuck would have helped keep the casualties to their absolute possible minimum if they were there, the city might still have been operable in the best case scenario. Arthas still might have followed Mal'ganis to Northred, but even if at that point Jenna and Uther didn't follow Arthas, he wouldn't be so plagued by doubts in his actions to take up a cursed sword.

I fucking hate that they were never confronted about this decision at any point in anything after the Culling of Stratholme, so fuck everything to do with WoW, that trash is fanfiction tier made by shit writers.

>>717157467
>he was an oathbeaker!!!!!!!!!!
>doesn't lose powers
>didn't break oath
he continued as a paladin afterwards, which means he didn't break his oath.
The moment you do in warcraft lore, you lose all of your power from the light.

>>717165628
My brother in Christ, have you heard of the forgotten lands to the west?

Arthas could've solved all of his issues if he just elected to go west instead of north.
Like every dumb fuck that went to Antarctica instead of America, that was a mistake.

>better mentor than uther
>better girlfriend than jaina
arthas (human campaign) didn't fail, his companions failed him

>>717165789
Unironically even if Arthas had believed Medivh, in the process of packing everyone up he would've found the Cult of the Damned and realized there's a more important issue to take care of. Worst case situation Arthas carries the Cult of the Damned to Kalimdor and not only dooms the Eastern Kingdoms since he wasn't there to stop Kel Thuzad but starts a new life with whatever population he was able to convince to sail with cultists in waiting.
Brings up a really interesting what if scenario that includes the possibility of the Cult laying in wait until Kalimdor or even going full Stratholme on the boats, either way it leads just as well to disaster (and always for the entirety of the Eastern Kingdoms).

>>717166032
But that's a lie because he admitted he was working for the Jailer all along.

>>717166072
Jailer isn't canon in my headcanon that WoW never existed

>>717166072
>the Jailer is such a good villain he even ruined the story
4th wall kino...

>>717166229
He didn't get Garrosh at least. He refused to serve when no one else would.

>>717155862 (OP)
>Was there any other solution?
no
>Did Arthas do the right thing?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ALwKeSEYs

>>717166072
>Wow
>Especially fucking Shadowlands
Worthless fanfiction. I yearn for the day this travesty of an MMO dies so the whole storyline can get retconned or better yet just decanonized. It will probably never happen in our lifetime unless copyright laws get changed so this shit enters public domain faster.

>>717155862 (OP)
Arthas made the right decision at Stratholme. The problem was that Uther never respected Arthas as a leader, blaming Arthas when things went wrong and taking credit when they went well (Hearthglen). Despite three days passing between Hearthglen and Stratholme, Uther never learned about the nature of the plague from Arthas, which means Uther never even tried to mentor Arthas. Even after Stratholme, Uther furthered Arthas' downward spiral by going to his father and recalling his men.

Arthas needed support, but instead his closest friends and advisors left him isolated.

>>717163706
Stromgarde also exists. But Stormwind is only around 10-20 years old at this point. It got wiped out and burned during WC1.

>>717155862 (OP)
The solution was going to kalimdor, guys.

Though honestly I reckon Arthas would've done something else fucked, like taking the skull of gul'dan.

>>717166804
With how arrogant Arthas was, he'd 100% drink the Demon blood offered by Mannoroth and end up genociding the Night Elves, before Grom even got the offer

>>717155862 (OP)
What happened to Stormwind and the other kingdoms south of Lordaeron after Archimonde was summoned and the burning legion were invading?

>>717167424
Nothing. Its funny because the scourge was designed to wipe out every major threatening civilization before Archimonde went after the kaldorei.

This means that canonically, stromgarde, the dwarves, and stormwind are niggers on par with, say, the quillboars or the centaurs. So incompetent and unable to mount resistance that the burning legion didn't even bother to weaken them. Kek

>>717167424
Stormwind was a shithole at the time. Based on the events in WC3, Archimonde's plan was
>Wreck Lordaeron so humans can't intervene
>Go to Kalimdor, kill Cenarius
>Get to Hyjal, bring in full force
>Mop up remaining life

>>717156014
>If you don't cull Stratholme, Lordaeron dies that day.
Incredibly pointless statement, seeing how it ended anyway.

>>717165405
That's not how that works you retarded faggot. We don't live in your interpretation of oompa loompa land.