Thread 717155889

How did it lose to dogshit morrowind.

morrowind lets you jump 1000 feet in the air whereas arx fatalis is a bunch of hallways

>>717155985
Noclipping through gmod maps was fun if you're like 15.

>>717155889 (OP)
no cat pussy

>>717155889 (OP)
Morrowind is superior in every single way

>>717156059
Snake pussy is better
>>717156106
Elaborate.

That's pretty suspicious.

I couldn't get past the second floor of Arx. No weapons in hand and enemies just fuck my shit up.

>>717156021
Getting ridiculous jump height is fun in most games.
>>717156174
>Snake pussy is better
>Lower half is snake
>Upper half is human
If this was the opposite, maybe you'd be right.

>>717156734
No legs to get in the way?? Bro????

>>717155889 (OP)
>install the game
>intro movie describes how such and such thing happened so entirety of society moved... UNDERGROUND
>uninstall the game
fuck dungeon crawling

>>717155889 (OP)
>the exact same thing we've seen before except........YOU CAN DRAW ON THE SCREEN!
truly a mystery

>>717156852
Another retard that cant appreciate underground city kino.

>>717156785
I prefer animalistic women to have snouts is what I'm saying. If it's just a woman with some scales it's a half measure when it should go all the way.

>>717156915
> better than morrowind in every way with drawing included.

>>717155889 (OP)
You're upset about some sales data shit that happened how many decades ago?

We have more than to entertain ourselves with than at any point in human history and they are more accessible than ever. And this what you chose to do with your life? Loser doesn't even begin to describe it.

>>717155889 (OP)
I never made the bread.

>>717155889 (OP)

Too claustrophobic and less content than Morrowind

>>717157823
I was just asking how. Bethesda has always been a dogshit company. I am giggling and patting my belly at the thought of you insinuating I am angry about it.

>>717155889 (OP)
Normgroids are subhuman, what else is new? Look at any "best games of all time" list that had mainly normalfags as voters.

morrowshit was baby's first rpg

>>717155889 (OP)
Because it's an immersive sim, and those are doomed to fail sales wise.

>>717155889 (OP)
Stop right there. Just stop. I like Arx well enough, but Morrowind mogs it so fucking hard that it's not even close. Morrowind not only deserved to outsell it, but outreview it as well. It did both and deservedly so.
At its core, Arx is the same mind-numbing shit that we've already seen a thousand times before, and all the little details that bring the game to life are wasted because they're in service to this ultimately bland and rotten core.
Morrowind not only has the worldbuilding chops and attention to detail, but it also has the outside-the-box approach that makes all of it worthwhile.

I didn't know I was supposed to speak to the prisoner to get the password to enter the secret cult under the tavern, so I just went through all the levels of the game and softlocked myself in the dwarven ruins
Can't be bothered picking the game up again

>>717155889 (OP)
by being a glorified graphic adventure game with pointless RPG mechanics stacked on top?

>>717155889 (OP)
I don't get it either. Imagine your character dying to a RAT simply because you didn't put enough of an arbitrary amount of points into a weapon and so you constantly miss. A TINY RAT! Yeah, that happened to me.

>>717155889 (OP)
Heil Hitler nigger

AHM

>>717155889 (OP)
Morrowind was a lot more interesting at the time, Arx was just ultima underworld with 3d graphics. And I'm saying this as someone that likes Arx more than Morrowind.

Arkane fell off after arx fatalis, and we never got a spiritual successor.

>>717161141
Was just a worse Ultima Underworld. Was worse than 2 also, really, and the spell casting mechanic was ass that never worked quite right until ages later.

>>717156546
What? I played this as a kid who never played anything before and I still got to late game

>>717156915
>the exact same thing we've seen before
Don't pretend like you've played UU or even knew about it.

>>717161197
DM was supposed to be Arx 2 but they couldn't find any money for it until Ubisoft stepped in and demanded for it to be M&M.

>>717161090
YOK
Those soundbites still live rent-free in my head.

>>717161518
People in 2002 had.

>>717161580
I find that hard to believe

>>717155889 (OP)
Do OPs like this just assume that people haven't played both games and won't be able to call them out on their retarded bullshit statements?

>>717162045
Why? It is true. I'm not saying that it was literally Arx 2 that was renamed but that they wanted to make Arx sequel and even started working on it using Source engine but after their deal with Bethesda fell apart they had to go with Ubisoft. Only to be accuired by Bethesda years later.

>>717162198
forgot to mention
it's from Colantonio's interview

>>717162198
>>717162248
That makes a bit more sense then, I though you meant it was changed to M&M later in production (like what happened with prey) which wouldn't make sense to me given how un-arx like the game is.

>>717162583
>given how un-arx like the game is
You can still see Arx dna here and there. Like smithing your own sword and very apparent Thief fanboyism. Don't remeber if there're any food-fire interactions.

>>717162045
Arx Fatalis was originally Ultima Underworld 3. Dark Messiah was originally Arx Fatalis 2. Prey was originally System Shock 3.

>>717162778
no food-fire interactions. other than the smithing minigame the only effect fire has on things is it damages them (including causing breaking in breakable things like crates) and changes their material to a charred dark gray texture.

I never played Arx but I know about the spell minigame and I think the way Dark Messiah's spells will show a glowing symbol as your crosshair before casting is reminiscient of that Arx system. I wouldn't be surprised if they had you drawing symbols in an early version or if that was a planned feature.

man this game
never understood the magic system
used the combine table leg with chair cheat and got the best armor

shit was fun

>>717163048
>Prey was originally System Shock 3.
Dead Space was originally System Shock 3. So this makes Prey System Shock 4.

>>717155889 (OP)
I'm playing it right now, it's fun but it doesn't have the same depth as Morrowind

>>717163164
The magic system is very simple:
each rune has a meaning, like Aam is create, Yok is fire, combine them and it forms "create fire".
Theres logic to it so it's easy to deduce what other runes does and how to draw them.

>>717163108
>the only effect fire has on things is it damages them and changes their material to a charred dark gray texture
There is also oil.

Damn, I miss playing with physcis in vidya.
I think Gaben said that if they ever release HL3 they make a bet on physics instead of chasing graphics. I hope he's not lying.
I remember playing DM back in 2008 and having so much hope for the future of the industry. The shit that everyone is blown away with in BOTW is something I believed will become a standart normilized mechanics years before BOTW was a thing. Where did it all go so wrong?

>short runtime
>small world
>linear as fuck
>very light rpg mechanics
>didn't have a successful prequel to ride off of(inb4 Ultima, if it's not named after it, it doesn't count)
Gee, I fucking wonder. Great game though, I just wish there was, like, 3x more of it.

>>717155889 (OP)
Arx has like 15 hours of gameplay for the average gamer.

>>717163490
- 8th gen CPUs
Crackdown 2 comes to mind. they thought they would use "The Cloud" for physics. idiots.

- physics effects only impressing customers when they're new
this is a speculation on my part but I think BOTW only worked so well because tendies hadn't gotten any physics games before. if tendies had all played HL2 and peers over a decade prior then BOTW would not have had the positive reception it got. you get to break those new plateaus of interactivity once or twice and then everybody takes them for granted. I feel the same way as you about
>The shit that everyone is blown away with in BOTW is something I believed will become a standart normilized mechanics
we all took it for granted before it even happened. that just shows that we didn't value it very highly. we didn't think it was a big deal but it turns out it is a big deal. it takes a lot of dev time to make those physics features robust enough to ship. a lot of dev time requires a strong financial motivation. if you can't convince a publisher that gamers will buy it for the physics then you get the 8th gen static world meta.

>>717164931
Is the average gamer a retard? Because I beat the game in an evening, including side quests.

>>717164108
It's a very good thing when the only criticism I have for a game is that I wish there was more of it.
I WISH the game had more quests and had dialogue options.
I WISH there were more potions to make and you could mix the powders from different plants
I WISH there was more to ranged weapons
I WISH there were more locations
But what is there is already a really good game. The way you can drag items out of the inventory and into the world at any time is really neat; How interactive the world is in general is neat. And of course the atmosphere is great.

>>717165025
Not on your first playthrough, you didn't.

>>717165025
I don't know what kind of chronomancy you're doing or how long your evenings are.
Personally it took me 17 to do a completionist run

>>717155889 (OP)
It's an underground classic.

>>717165181
I only played it the one time a month ago. Only things I looked up were spells until my retarded ass realized how the rune combos worked and I could do it myself.
I wish I had known I could channel both drain health and drain mana the entire game, probably would have beaten it faster. I cheesed the end boss that way after several failed attempts.

>>717156852
Filtered retard aside, I wish that was expanded on. There was a lot of worldbuilding that made it seem like they were planning multiple games in that world that never came to fruition. Like the "Travelers" who brave the cold to bring goods and messages between underground settlements.

How did it lose to dogshit oblivion.

>>717165629
Nobody played Might and Magic aside from slavs.
And even slavs didn't know about this game's existence.

>>717165629
For these reasons except the title one >>717164108

>>717155889 (OP)
>How did it lose to dogshit morrowind.
I like both games.
>>717165629
Another great game and i agree that Oblivion is meh.

>>717165726
Slavs had too shit PCs to run the game.
t.slav

>>717156734
but, you're objectively wrong
if the bottom half was human it would be human pussy
are you retarded?

never gotten around finished the game
got lost in some puzzle halfway through the game

>>717165745
It's an absolute travesty that you can have nonexistent interactivity, combat, level design and story but because you're "open world" cattle will foam at the mouth. There is nothing interesting about holding W for hours on end and dialog trees and never will be. Dark Messiah mogs Oblivion in every single way. There is nothing interesting about 80 shitty quests when you can have 1 actual epic one.
You know how in open world games they typically start off with an epic linear quest before dumping you into the open world (Ironically proving that linear experiences are superior)? People should play Dark Messiah as if its the starter quest to Oblivion. Then, when you finish Dark Messiah, you unlock the open world section of the game which would be Oblivion. They you never play Oblivion because its fucking trash.

>>717155889 (OP)
whatever happened to that /v/ devanon prepping some game based off arx fatalis. It's probably janky as fuck, but I'd play it

>>717155889 (OP)
>>717165629
This is kind of a silly question because everybody that played Morrowind and Oblivion obviously also played and liked Arx Fatalis and Dark Messiah. Or at least the would if they knew about them.

>>717165979
But nobody plays the main quests in Bethesda games.
The organic sidequests and exploration are the fun part

from a roleplaying perspective Morrowind is far far superior.
from a gameplay perspective, neither were that amazing but at least Morrowind was good enough to serve the roleplaying aspect.

>>717166120
>The organic sidequests
I guess I will never understand this. The side quests are even less intricate and benign than the main one.
>and exploration are the fun part
You still 'explore' in linear games, the level design is objectively more interesting because the level design has some intentionality behind it, with proper pacing, puzzles, secrets, item placement etc.
Morrowind and Oblivions "Terrain map with copied and pasted buildings and trees" is completely devoid of design.

>>717166424
>more interesting because the level design has some intentionality behind it
wrong. unless you are brain-dead low-iq subhuman you will obviously notice the handholding design and feel like you're just a slave to the writer's will. it's shit, I want to make my own choices not pick from developer given options

Is this good?

>>717155889 (OP)
>download it off gamepass
>make an int character
>have to switch in and out of different click modes for doing simple shit like accessing your ui
>no magic ywt
>only have bones thst you club the fuck out of people for
>finally get a rune
>fucking impossible drawing the runes
>look it up online because im obv doing something wrong
>”YEAH THE RUNES ARE HARD TO DRAW THERE’S A MOD THAT MAKES IT EASIER”
>play a bit more, okay getting the secret guard items and opening the other door was cool
>cant dneak at all so might as well beat the fuck out of enemies
>do, dodging in and out to avoid enemies
>get bored
>uninstall

The level design and atmosphere was really spooky, but I didn’t have a great experience. Too much well thought player design to go enjoy the minutia of this game

>>717166886
Arx Libertatis fixes a lot of the jank, it's the best way to play the game. It better registers what runes you draw.
The magic system is probably my favorite part of the game, not just because the rune combo mechanic is cool, but also how the player can naturally mess it up in the heat of the moment when you're panicking and trying to cast a fireball or whatever in melee range. Somatic component failure is player controlled rather than being a dice roll or whatever.
It pleases my ttrpg autism.

>>717155889 (OP)
Incredible game. Maybe the most underappreciated RPG in history.

>>717155889 (OP)
>Morrowind
Lets you use magic to be a bullshit demigod, as magic should if you're knowledgeable enough
>Arx
It's an immersive sim that limits magic, even though it has the more enjoyable magic system
You're comparing a sandbox game to an immersive sim. It's not a fair comparison.

>>717155889 (OP)
Arx is only fun if you play as a mage.

>>717165629
there was no competition, Oblivion came out in 2005 (on 360 and PC), Dark Messiah in 2006.

>>717166557
>unless you are brain-dead low-iq subhuman you will obviously notice the handholding design and feel like you're just a slave to the writer's will.
Its called gameplay you fucking retard. I would gladly play through a well-crafted level 100 times than hold W across a terrainmap with copied and pasted trees and buildings places randomly you fuckhead.