why does makoto make /v/ so mad, half the time she's brought up here it's just seething about her for one reason or another lmao
being smart is not a bad thing

>stalks the player
>blackmails the group
>her stupidity gets the group blackmailed
>everyone forgives her like it's nothing
>makes herself the leader
>names herself QUEEN

>>717179264
>names herself QUEEN
she IS the queen... of spades!

>>717179264
>>stalks the player
>>blackmails the group
It was her job she blindly obeyed, and learning to not do shit like that anymore is literally her entire arc at that part of the story
>>her stupidity gets the group blackmailed
>>everyone forgives her like it's nothing
She was upset and irrational at the time, even she acknowledges she fucked up with the kaneshiro stuff. also they were already going after him anyway so there's no reason for them to believe they couldn't just get out if it by changing his heart regardless
>>makes herself the leader
Never happened
>>names herself QUEEN
Joker names her that through a dialogue option

>>717178921 (OP)
>why does makoto make /v/ so mad
she's a mary sue

She's the perfect wife, is why, and they didn't even need a game revision to add her.

Makoto and her sister are shit

HERE

COMES

THE

BIG

SAD

It's not "/v/", it's just Sae venting her frustrations at having to take her to see Sonic the Hedgehog 3 every day for four months straight.

>>717179264
>stalks the player
but that was cute

I like Makoto but her SL is probably one of the worst ones in the franchise barring shit like the fox or margaret that don't even count as a SL

>>717180372
almost every confidant is about someone else that person knows, even some of the ones in 4 at some point involved Yu helping them with a problem with someone else

>>717178921 (OP)
>Introduce "smart" character.
>Only told of her intelligence as backstory.
>Only showing of intelligence done by making everyone else dumber.
Every. Fucking. Time.
Her sister was worse, though, a narcissist and literal criminal forging evidence against innocent victims, but she's anime waifu bait so she doesn't have to suffer from any consequences.

>>717180603
Everyone in the party prior to her joining is dumb to begin with though

>>717180603
>making everyone else dumber
FOR REAL?

>>717180510
I didn't mind that, I disliked that the SL was basically:
>I'm a smart by the books kind of girl that sucks at social interactions and thinks the world runs on stereotypes
>Gets a friend that follows a stereotype and thinks "maybe believing in stereotypes is bad and stupid"
>Friend gets in a stereotype as fuck shit situation
>Ignores stereotypes, shit goes wrong
>Ends up acting according to stereotypes anyway
>Everything ends up working out because the stereotypes were right after all
>Makoto doesn't change at all as a character except she now wants to fuck Joker
>Final lesson is believing in stereotypes is bad except um... not sometimes.
She's lucky I like short hair/hime cut class rep girls and has a fat butt.

>>717180869
This desu
>Morgana is a cat
>Ryuji is an idiot who hates studying
>Ann is naturally gorgeous and doesn't have to do anything to maintain that, she got by mainly on people being nice to her because of how beautiful she is before meeting Ren
>Yusuke is severely autistic about art

this is the student council president

>>717181217

>perfect butt
>loves Yakuza
I'd be sold on just those 2 points alone desu

>>717178921 (OP)
She is too confident. It makes me feel insecure

>>717181217
she poops from there

>>717179696
shitclit cuckcel

She's autistic

>>717178921 (OP)
/v/ is full of contrarians and other genuinely mentally ill types

/v/ loves complaining about Japanese anime tropes and writing in videogames for teenagers and manchildren as if is a necessity that they be on par with the classics of literature.

Also they're mad Makoto mogs their favorite waifus in terms of popularity.

>>717182910
But she is my favorite waifu

>>717178921 (OP)
>>717180603
>why are the characterfags who are actively hostile to everyone else hated?

>why do people hate it when the rest of the cast is shit on just to prop up this one writer's pet waifu

Seriously though, the behavior of Makotofags says everything. They hate every character who isn't Makoto.

>>717180927
>>717180372
Because even her social link follows that pattern where it's less about her and more about slinging shit at others to reassert how great and amazing the writer's pet waifu Makoto is.

>>717178921 (OP)
I wish there was more shipping art with Makoto

>>717178921 (OP)
I just find her generally pretty boring despite all the focus. Some of the other girls are just straight up more enjoyable.

>>717182203
Damn that's humiliating. I've been a complete pussy where I've frozen in the face of fear of adversity from people as a cope, so I do understand this jeet's predicament. But better to fight back and potentially get your ass kicked than have that shit happen in front of his girl like that.

deep down everyone wants a cute mildly autistic gf with a big butt

>>717183387
>most pandered to group of faggots ever
>I wish there was MORE, we just don't have enough!!
>Why are we treated so unfairly?

Give me a fucking break

>>717178921 (OP)
>being smart is not a bad thing
It's not about being smart, it's about the game treating her like she's a genius for saying the most basic stuff possible.
Best girl but in story-propelling scenes, worst girl.

>>717183956
>the game treating her like she's a genius for saying the most basic stuff possible.
Name one example

>>717178921 (OP)
She is snitch

>>717183705
Trembling fujoshi claws typed this post. Stay mad nigga.

>>717180603
>>717183186
Here comes the Annschizo with conspiracy theories about Atlus, P5 writing and Makoto.

>>717184162
I love my wife and her cute hairband everyone thought was a braid

>>717183956
>It's not about being smart, it's about the game treating her like she's a genius

Because in other contexts, with the rest of these types of characterfags it's pretty clear that being smart really is not worth shit.
In other series, it's the smart girl who gets shit on relentlessly and curiously enough the Makoto types don't go for her. Because it's not about that at all. It's about their need to tear down others to feel good about themselves.

>>717184017
the entirety of kaneshiro's palace

I'm mostly upset that she teased her personality after her awakening as being
>appears to be a standard responsible class prez type, but actually she's a former delinquent tomboy that doesn't put up with anyone's shit, however she also understands that she needs to put on her nice girl facade to get college recommendations from the principal
and instead we got
>she's the smart, studious and gullible one

Really sucks, because Atlus always gives her clothes in shit like the dancing spinoff that shows a punk side, but she doesn't actually have it. Outside of telling Ryuji to shut up sometimes (which everyone in the PT does anyways) she has no bite. P6 better give me the delinquent girl that I crave.

There's nothing wrong with being an old cumrag.
Sloppy thousandth ? Yes please !

>Makotofag discourse
>it's always primarily about their waifu "mogging" all the other girls

>>717182203
Even though I hate jeets, watching this pissed me off so much I had vertigo.

>>717184508
IT'S A HAIRBAND?!

>>717180869
The Kaneshiro investigation had the rest of the team actually pull some legwork in figuring out what was going on. You and Ryuji using your reputations to intimidate students into spilling the beans was pretty good street smarts. It was Makoto that immediately fucked it up by being too confrontational with the gang member, causing him to lock you out. Then she was the one who got herself kidnapped, which exposed herself and the rest of the team to needless danger to justify needing a deadline.
I'm not going to pretend that Ryuji and Ann weren't book dumb and Yusuke didn't have the social intelligence of an autist with downs, but the writing for the game did the stupidest thing possible that early in the game by dropping in the designated smart character to solve every problem and then have everyone else praise her. And then they did it again with Futaba, but at least Futaba was a hyperspecialized NEET instead of being perfect at everything like Makoto.
>>717184017
nta but the engine room dialogue still pisses me off thinking about it because the game actively shits on you the player for figuring out the right answer just so they could praise Makoto more.

>>717178921 (OP)
Literally made for anal.

>>717184618
The Showtimes at least showed it a bit too. But yeah that's pretty much bang on my thoughts on her

>>717185015
Yeah

>>717185083
>the writing for the game did the stupidest thing possible that early in the game by dropping in the designated smart character to solve every problem

The thing is that it also negates any chance for character development. In a properly written story you'd thing it's about the Phantom Thieves actually learning and growing into their roles.

You know, characters THAT ARE ACTUALLY RELEVANT AND HAVE ACTUAL ARCS AND GROWTH. Nope, sidelined.

It's so fucking ridiculous. Especially when you have Morgana basically acknowledging this dogshit writing by him outright saying "I have no purpose in this story now"

You have Haru introduced to the team, and what is it for? She's sidelined immediately for, you guessed it, MORE MAKOTO WANK

>>717184618
Makoto was an extremely cool character for one minute and then never hit those heights again.

>>717186087
>She's sidelined immediately for, you guessed it, MORE MAKOTO WANK
not even makoto, haru got sidelined by the cat lol

>>717178921 (OP)
ACK

>>717186306
giwtwm

>>717184618
>>717185542
The thing for me is that since it never amounts to anything more these parts are irritating since its now showing "look how much cooler and stronger and unfazed our waifu is".

>>717186262
The thing with Haru is that after her dad's palace it goes right back to Makoto's spotlight with Sae's palace

>>717186262
>>717186632
Haru and Makoto should've swapped places.
Makoto wouldn't have been hurt because having her in the background trying to keep tabs on you would've kept her presence in the game, like how 4 had Naoto throughout the game long before she actually joins. Getting involved in a drug running racket using students would be something Haru would catch wind of due to her dad's connections with organized crime. Her dad's palace ends up being more about Morgana than her, so there's no risk of Haru being overfocused, and you can still keep the "Morgana quits the team and finds someone else to help him" plot as a way to introduce Makoto. Then Sae's Palace gives Makoto focus anyway.

>>717186459
It's really annoying that they show that kind of stuff in the showtimes or mementos dialogue, but don't actually implement it into her character.
Same with Haru being a violent sadist, it's talked about but she never actually does anything with that alleged side of her unless you want to count that one time she was allowed to drive.

everytime i see a makoto seethepost i feel like i played a completely different game like what the fuck are you people talking about

>>717187286
The Makoto bias is all too blatant even in the gameplay

>>717184017
I thought her plan to get a calling card to kaneshiro was fine but choosing the guy with the fucked up leg to run around the city at night and not tell the rest of the PTs about the plan is retarded

Recurring Atlus trope

>>717187828
Alright, let's not get carried away here. In the mid game her kit might be impressive, but if your end game party isn't
>Ryuji
>Ann
>Haru
>all doing pure DPS
You're playing the game wrong.

>>717187638
The short version is that some mentally ill people who followed P5 pre-release really closely made up some bizarre headcanons (Ann is going to be important to the story, Haru is going to be a bitch, etc) and still refuse to let them go almost a decade later.
This obviously causes the dissonance and frustration which they release by constantly seething.

>>717180603
Makoto had that classic writers problem of wanting to make a "smart" character but being too stupid to actually do it. So they just wrote her being overpraised by the rest of the group for making extremely basic observations and nothing else.

>>717180174
i hope the anon that shat that out still lurks, he's an insanely colorful writer

i wish i was makotos bike seat

>>717178921 (OP)
makoto was cringe and prob the worst PT after the cat.

>>717188308
P3 movies are so pretty embarrassing.
Thankfully Aigis basically doesn't exist in game until November and even then she gets btfo twice and disappears for another month.