Thread 717201562

Did you like Human Revolution and Mankind Divided? Are they worthy sequels to OG Deus Ex? What could have they done better? Did the introduce any mechanics that were an improvement over the original? Personally I really liked the "verbal bosses" and the black and gold aesthetic

Tried HR. Not sure why, it seemed like a lot of it was much more based around empty areas to pad out the game

Like imagine if DX in say the UNATCO headquarters had 30 rooms but only like 5 of them were of any interaction

It's a bit like that too in the city area you're in, very big and sprawled out but very little content overall

I think the biggest issue is that due to it being a prequel, they were kinda fucked in what they could write and the writers just didn't have )or can't) put in a lot of back story like in DX and how it was done

>>717201562 (OP)
I just picked up Mankind Decided but haven't launched it yet. I hear good things then the game suddenly drops off a cliff cause it had a scrapped sequel. Human Revolution was enjoyable. I liked it more then Invisible War. To play. I should be clear I like Invisible Wars setting better then HR but playing Invisible Wars just sucks. The levels suck. The weapons suck. The augs suck.

>>717201562 (OP)
HR: No
MD: Kinda

>Human Revolution
4/10
Bad gameplay, garbage visuals, average sounds, barely above average level design, mediocre mission design, mediocre rpg elements, ugly presentation, weak immersion.

Solid writing


>Mankind Divided
6.5/10
Mediocre gameplay, bad writing, average sound, weak immersion.

Good level design, good mission design, decent presentation, decent rpg elements.

Bonus:
>Cyberpunk 2077
9/10

Good gameplay, great mission design, great writing, amazing visuals, amazing sounds, good immersion, excellent presentation, decent level design, good rpg elements.

Halfassed open world, lack of side acitviites


Bonus 2:
>Deus Ex
10/10

Great gameplay, top notch level design, great mission design, great writing, good rpg elements, banger sounds, funny visuals, very immersive.

Bonus 3:
>Yakuza 0
2/10

Shit gameplay, shit mission design, poorly written mess, subpar presentation, average sounds, average visuals, bad rpg elements, terrible level design, weak immersion.

HR was good but the ending felt ham fisted
MD was fun but the story was even worse and the ending was a big nothingburger, nothing gets resolved
Play for the gameplay only, don't expect the story to satisfy in any way.

P.S. what the fuck was Breach? looked like complete garbage

they're good games but there's only one real deus ex and it's the one where you play as jc denton.

>>717201562 (OP)
Mankind Divided has the best hub in all games, damn shame we'll never see the end of Jensen's story

Thoroughly enjoyed OG, HR and MD. IW is meh.

>>717201562 (OP)
I wish these games were of their own IP and not associated with boomer slop that people would never let it live up to.

>>717201562 (OP)
good games, deus ex is amazing but overrated when it comes to discussions about the series on /v/

>>717202462
absolutely insane
CP77 without the shit open turd structure and with MD's gameplay would be certified lvdo tho
prey and md are the only immy simmies that play well

I like them both a lot. Still a firm believer that MD>HR.

>>717201562 (OP)
>Did you like Human Revolution and Mankind Divided?
Yes
>Are they worthy sequels to OG Deus Ex?
Nope, Prey (2017) is the closest we've got as far as game design goes
>What could have they done better?
Not be tied to the Deus Ex brand. They clearly didn't want to make a Deus Ex game and shouldn't have been forced to.
>Did the introduce any mechanics that were an improvement over the original?
Nope, but that's fine because the design intent was different. However, to give credit where it's due, Prague might be the best hub in the entire franchise.

>>717201562 (OP)
>Yes.

>Good enough. Better than invisible war which suffers from critical consolization.

>Balanced non lethal options better/stealth takedowns.

>FUCKED up the ending decisions. Much weaker in the batshit conspiracy shit, and philisophical shit. There's no equivalent of the convesation with the hong kong bartender.


The idea of treating the clankers like an oppressed class was full retard.

Yeah they were great. But the second one ends just as soon as things really start happening, which felt kinda weird.

>>717204090
>the idea of treating corpo slaves hooked on drugs to survive after a massive economical shift like an oppressed class was retarded
they just needed to play up the terrorist card more. only dumb thing is that most of these dudes wouldn't literally create their own revolution

>>717204090
>The idea of treating the clankers like an oppressed class was full retard.
Those augmented who went psycho, killed millions, and are an objective danger to society? Yeah, it's like black people bro.

Yes. I can't take these soulsclones and open world ubishot games anymore.

>>717201562 (OP)
>Did the introduce any mechanics that were an improvement over the original?
They made it so a pure stealth and non-lethal (HR boss fights aside) playthrough isn't unbearably tedious.

>>717201562 (OP)
I liked the aesthetics and the streamlined game design but they suffer from the same problems that all ps360 era games had: catering to the lowest common denominator, resulting in a limited scope compared to if they were PC-only games.

>>717201562 (OP)
No. I playe games for the GAMEPLAY. I dont give a shit about the narrative or the message that they're trying to send. And both games have pretty shit gameplay with some few interesting bits here and there.
Its one of those "what if our game is mediocre AL AROUND! that will surely get people to play it!"

>>717201562 (OP)
yes they are both worthy
and Nixes killed the franchise to make a fucking AVENGERS games

>>717201562 (OP)
I think HR was fine, MD is pretty much a better game in every regard except the story which just finishes half way. Series had potential but they fucked it up and now it's dead forever.

MD is kino

>>717201562 (OP)
Hard to see them as the games but they did a good job of modernizing the spirit without sacrificing the entire premise

>>717206121
It's not complete. And it still hurts.

>>717206327
>modernizing the spirit without sacrificing the entire premise
this sounds easy but I've yet to see a better example that deus ex

>>717206462
It's not easy. I guess Dishonored is another example but then again that's a whole new franchise with the only similarities being the voice actor

>>717205226
What a good DLC that was.

>>717205226
He looks like a Turkish dude lmao

Is stealth and just headshotting everyone the way to go or is it like DX where there's a diffence for the sotry between lethal and non lethal

>>717201562 (OP)
>Are they worthy sequels to OG Deus Ex?
aren't you forgetting someone

>>717206780
>DX where there's a diffence for the sotry between lethal and non lethal
A few different lines of dialogue from Paul and nameless soldiers don't qualify as a difference for the story.

>>717206542
I liked the bank DLC more but the prison one was good too.
>>717206597
for some reason he always looked greek to me

>>717201562 (OP)
The story has lost its bite in the sequels, besides that I actually prefer them to Dude Sex 1 and I'm tired of pretending I do not. I can't be the only one.

>>717203249
Gameplay-wise, sure. The story is considerably worse. MD has some gameplay silliness too
>nobody reacts to smoke
>smoke disables lasers
>cops don't care if you pull a gun on them

>>717202565
breach would've been a great MGS VR missions-like arcade mode if it weren't for the pay to win mobile game structure they forced onto the mode
I really like MD because it feels like a perfected form of old MGS stealth gameplay, almost

>>717206780
there's some different dialogue based on your actions in an early mission, then there's some different outcomes in side quests. otherwise no difference, so basically the same as the original.

>>717201562 (OP)
>mfw Mankind Divided was released nine years ago.

>>717209950
Nothing will keep that rat safe from Jordan Petersen.

>>717210149
See? JP was right: no cleaning your room -> mosquitos -> plague -> no more spinning -> unconscious rat.
Clean you room! Defeat that dragon!

>>717201562 (OP)
HR is alright but the ending really sucks. Even hearing about how bad the ending was before playing didn't make it any better.

>>717211769
What should've it been?

>>717212747
Ending choice should have at least spanned the whole final level like the original, or even better been sort of like invisible war, where which ending you can get is determined by which factions you haven't pissed off.

Why do Czechs all look like human-feline hybrids?

>>717214109
stop digging

>>717201562 (OP)
>Did you like Human Revolution and Mankind Divided?
Yea
>Are they worthy sequels to OG Deus Ex?
Ehh, I would say they're something else entirely different. If I had to answer, no.
>What could have they done better?
for one GET RID OF THE STORY/CUTSCENE OBSESSION
I ghosted the whole fucking area and this retard Adam just walk and face the boss and show himself like the brainless subhuman retard that he is. Like why did I bother I'm doing stealth if at the end he still going to show his ugly mug to the boss? god, I fucking hate this retard I'm so happy he got cucked and died.
>Did the introduce any mechanics that were an improvement over the original?
Most of the QoL like takedowns (animation need to be shortened, dear god it's like looking at an anime that tries too hard to be cool) are nice I suppose, but nothing groundbreaking

I liked both but I completely dropped MD when it forces you to choose who you save and who you let die with no way to save both

>>717216016
When was that? And why did you detest that? Real life doesn't always give you that choice.

>>717216016
?
The only choice you get is getting the Picus data or saving the stupid clock maker's daughter. Then if you get the Picus data you can save your homosex faggot boss. I guess you can get the Picus data and not save the homo boss but that's the only choice you really get.

>>717202462
I 100% agree with this assessment. Greatly dislike both Mankind Divided and Human Revolution. Especially in comparison to the original Deus Ex and the sequel, Invisible War. Cyberpunk 2077 beats both.

>>717201562 (OP)
>Did you like Human Revolution and Mankind Divided?
Yes.
>Are they worthy sequels to OG Deus Ex?
I think so, though with the major caveat that they're actually pretty different in terms of emphasis. Even Mankind Divided is more of a stealth game than the original Deus Ex.

I'm not that in love with the stories in either of the new Deus Ex games, but to be honest I don't care that much about the plot in the original game either; a lot of the writing is a little sloppy. It works for the game, though.

>>717201562 (OP)
Loved both. Wish the series would return, and the genre would be reinvigorated; sorely lacking lately.
Embracer are fucking morons and I despise them.

>>717201562 (OP)
>Did you like Human Revolution and Mankind Divided?
I thought they were good.
>Are they worthy sequels to OG Deus Ex?
I'd say so.
>What could have they done better?
more of an emphasis on open-ended gameplay. this game is something similar to a bioware rpg or something in terms of the way quests are structured. it's less "immersive sim" and more of a binary "you can take option A or option B" without any emergent gameplay opportunities.
>Did they introduce any mechanics that were an improvement over the original?
generally, the gunplay and abilities are a lot better to use. cover based stealth is also functional if not a tad ridiculous but miles better than what was in the first two games.

so, yeah. this game is bioware rpg pasted onto a MGS stealth action derivative. it works but the first game especially was about emergent gameplay, abusing the game's mechanics to break the game, that sort of thing.

in terms of the story, there's nothing they could have done to rival the original, and I personally don't like the focus on "augs" vs "naturals" but it's written well enough I suppose.

>Kills all hope for a new Deus Ex
>Kills all hope for a new Dissidia
>Kills all hope for a new Stranger of Paradise
What the fuck is Square Enix's problem?

>>717216016
lmao are you 12 anon

>>717220486
Bet you think you're tough with your boomer contrarian opinion.