Thread 717206487

Is there any legitimate argument for emulation aside from poorfaggotry?

It's easy

>>717206487 (OP)
go back to plebbit, faggot

>>717206487 (OP)
most people are too retarded to learn how to emulate and would rather blow money.
like people still think we're on pj64 1.6 and epsxe

>>717206487 (OP)
Sega Sonic I guess

WHO THE FUCK IS MISTER EVERDRIVE

>>717206487 (OP)
im poor and proud

>>717206487 (OP)
I don’t wanna set up my N64

>>717206487 (OP)
What are mister and everdrive and can they let me play xenoblade at 4k?

>>717206790
>like people still think we're on pj64 1.6 and epsxe
This drives me nuts. People always talk about N64 emulation and have no idea that PJ64 was surpassed ages ago.

>>717206487 (OP)
I just want to play every game on one system.

>>717206907
So you're just picking the worst alternative for it? You're a lazy retard.

>>717206487 (OP)
>>717206816
>>717206936

>>717206487 (OP)
Is there any legitimate argument for why you shouldn't kill yourself aside from the fact that you're a spineless pussy?

>>717206936
Everdrives are flash carts. Put simply, game cartridges you can stick an SD card with ROMs into and play games on the original hardware.

>>717207006
wow mentally ill loser

>>717206487 (OP)
Not wanting to pay over $200 for a single game is not poorfaggotry
>>717206936
Mister is hardware emulation that can play original cartridges. Everdrive is a flashcart

>>717206487 (OP)
First, fuck you for creating this same thread the 1677716th time, secondly. GBA and Mega drive are better emulated than any other option.
GBA because many games had to fuck with the color palette to look bearable on the OG GBA screen (and looks like shit on SP/DS/3DS/Mister), so you need SHADERS to fix it and only emulation give you that.
And Mega drive because all mega drives have shit audio filtering and the picture looks blurry as shit, and only emulators can do good audio filtering and blur the colors to get the dither shit to work without making the picture too blurry.

>>717206487 (OP)
>emulation
>mister
>everdrive
>owning hardware
MOVE ASIDE FAGGOTS, DECOMPILATIONCHADS ARE HERE

>>717207326
>and looks like shit on SP/DS/3DS/Mister
zoomer cope

>>717206487 (OP)
emulation is the least amount of effort with no investment required whatsoever

>>717206974
Yep

>>717206487 (OP)
>Is there any legitimate argument for x aside from y?

>>717206487 (OP)
Old hardware is overpriced junk.

>>717207676
This. takes like 2 minutes to download and set up initially and then I just open it like any other file on my PC. No need to dust off my old console or fuck with cords. No need to swap discs. No need to even change the input on my monitor/tv.
It's easy, and convenience is king.

>>717206487 (OP)
I am convinced the "Mister" is a meme device that only streamers and youtube creators use through some sort of sponsorship or weird group thinking behavior.

>>717208171
MiSTer is more convenient while also being way lower lag, more soulful and authentic, and more accurate.

>>717207519
No shaders.

>>717206487 (OP)
There's a difference between being a poorfag and being a wasteful faggot buying a console to play one or two games and then come back to PC.

>>717208248
More convenient than moving my mouse over and double clicking? If you are gonna shill, you should at least be honest.

>>717206790
I still use ePSXe

>>717208246
It's probably an offshoot of tranny cultism from the mentally deranged speedrunners. All aspects of retro gaming are infected, they are like black mold.

>>717208248
>MiSTer is more convenient
Having to change display inputs, and run a second machine is not more convenient.
>way lower lag
Factually untrue. It can only do as low as a real console, emulators can go even lower.
>more soulful and authentic
No, it isn't.
>and more accurate
Also untrue. It's still emulation at the end of the day, but much less mature and worked on by fewer people and tested by barely anyone.

>>717207519
>I only like playing the most boring games I've already played a dozen times
Yawn.

>>717207162
>Wanting that silky smooth 18fps
Normalfags need to DIE

>>717206487 (OP)
the kind of person who would make and post this image buys an emulated copy of whatever game they are playing from nintendo for 20 dollars while also paying them to use their own internet btw

>>717208510
>emulators can go even lower.
It's never recommended to use run-ahead as it increases input lag variance for slightly lower raw input lag. It's also not accurate to original hardware, has limited implementation depending on internal game lag and how intensive it is to run, and can cause various issues

The only rare edge case in which it may be worth it (and even then, not really), is games that are easy to run accurately, have significant inherent gameplay lag (5+ frames), and where reactions are more important than timing. In these case, the raw input lag improvement is so large that it could (arguably, but not really) outweigh the increase in input lag variance that it brings.

Also run-ahead is not going to remove any inherent lag from your setup or V-Sync lag, which will usually be 2-3 frames at least. So no, you are almost certainly not getting original hardware/MiSTer CRT level input lag, and you certainly aren't getting that level of input lag consistency either.

>>717208785
>It's never recommended to use run-ahead as it increases input lag variance for slightly lower raw input lag. It's also not accurate to original hardware, has limited implementation depending on internal game lag and how intensive it is to run, and can cause various issues
>The only rare edge case in which it may be worth it (and even then, not really), is games that are easy to run accurately, have significant inherent gameplay lag (5+ frames), and where reactions are more important than timing. In these case, the raw input lag improvement is so large that it could (arguably, but not really) outweigh the increase in input lag variance that it brings.
100% bullshit. There's no variance. Runahead works perfect when you use equal or lower frames to the games lag, and nearly every game has at least 1 frame of lag so you can get 1 frame free 99% of the time without issue.
>Also run-ahead is not going to remove any inherent lag from your setup or V-Sync lag, which will usually be 2-3 frames at least.
No one who cares about lag is getting 2-3 frames of lag, or using vsync.

Stop talking out your ass.

>>717208510
>Also untrue. It's still emulation at the end of the day, but much less mature and worked on by fewer people and tested by barely anyone.
Retard. FPGA has had a huge push in recent years and a ton of development effort behind it including full decaps of original hardware. It is about 99.99999% accurate to original hardware and the devs are working tirelessly to make that 100%

For example, Saturn literally went from alpha to being more accurate than all software emulators and 100% scpstest pass in a year. N64 emulator went from alpha to the most accurate than the most accurate software emulator (AngryLion, that basically needs a NASA supercomputer to run at full speed) in a little over a year. And it's one of only two emulators out there to 100% pass the extremely difficulty AGS Aging Cartridge test that even emulators like mGBA and ares fail

>>717209148
>It is about 99.99999% accurate

>>717207529
Anything that has a good screen will run these games "adjusted for the OG GBA" like shit.

>>717208831
>100% bullshit. There's no variance.
shut the fuck up you retarded clown. Yes, you 100% are. I have tested it thoroughly on multiple devices, multiple cores, multiple games, several hundred samples. The variance/consistency is significantly worse with run-ahead ON vs. with it OFF.

If you don't believe me, feel free to test it yourself. But shut the fuck if you're just going to post this cope bullshit in complete denial of reality.

>No one who cares about lag is getting 2-3 frames of lag, or using vsync.
You would be surprised... anyone with 60Hz non-CRT monitor/TV, anyone on Steamdeck, anyone using modded console as an emulator, anyone on a mobile device, anyone with a chinkheld, etc. are all going to be getting that V-Sync penalty. That's vast overwhelming majority of people emulating outside of those on a lag-optimized setup with a high refresh rate monitor, low-lag controller/input device, and settings properly configured. If you have a proper setup, you should be getting at or close to original hardware (without run-ahead, fuck that hacky trash), but that's a very small minority of people emulating. Again, test it yourself with slow-motion camera and see, it takes only a few minutes.

>>717209505
>I have tested it thoroughly on multiple devices, multiple cores, multiple games, several hundred samples.
Post those tests.

>>717209408
Those tests were done years ago when the core was still in alpha you fucking retard. Mister's GBA core with the most recent build 100% passes all these tests and is 99.999999999% accurate to original hardware, completely identical and indistinguishable even side-by-side to the most minute detail or timing.

>>717209614
No. I did all the tests just for my personal curiosity and interest. Even if I posted the numbers, you would just say they're made up bullshit. Even if I had the original video files (no, I'm not saving hundreds of GBs of me pressing a button in slow motion), you would just say they were fake or manipulated in some way.

Test it yourself or fuck off dumbass.

>>717209710
>Those tests were done years ago
They're from June 26th of this year, not even 1.5 months ago
https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php?title=GBA_Tests&type=revision&diff=119441&oldid=119440

>>717209849
>No.
Then your word is absolutely worthless. There's no variance.

>>717209895
>NBA test
>NanoBoyAdvance test
>conveniently the NanoBoyAdvance emulator does well!! wow!!
It's literally a test custom made so that their own emulator passes and appears more accurate. Nope, fuck off retard. AGS Aging Cartridge is the gold standard that NINTENDO established to test their own hardware. And I am absolutely not taking some anonymous shill's word that he ran this test on the most updated MiSTer GBA core version when there is proof or documentation of it whatsoever.

>>717208564
>normalfags
>giving a fuck about authenticity

>>717206487 (OP)
Are you paying jannies for you daily mister ads or are you sneaking this one under the radar?

>>717206487 (OP)
real hardware + ssd/flashcart is the most comfy. mister is cool if you're a nerd

>>717210128
>b-but it was made by an emudev (whose emulator doesn't even pass all tests while other emulators do) so the FPGAs failing it isn't valid
That's some grade A copium right there.

>>717206487 (OP)
Quick easy access for things that used rare old proprietary hardware, and you dont have to worry about wear and tear, discs getting scratched, or cartridges getting full of dust. Generally just more sustainable and reliable than the hardware it was released on, or a gurantee that you can quickly re-obtain your games in the event that your emulating system dies. The ability to play games on better hardware at better resolutions, and alleviate issues that the original game had in some cases. So the advantages are clear and numerous. Is that my justification? No, if I want to play a GBA game, do I want to pay out my ass, wait for it to come in the mail? Or would i rather just skip the bullshit and play it right now, for free? Ill take free of course. I dont give a FUCK about licensing agreements. I never signed shit with those old gaming companies. Some guy on the internet made shit available to me, and I will take advantage. Old books and movies used to go to a library where they could be checked out for free. If game companies dont all adopt some kind of very accessible "library" system that let's you check out games, they should expect to get ripped off. Even if they charged a tiny fee. Their best bet is to run a free emulation library on their own shit, and just pump it full of ads or something. That is probably the only way emulation will ever be shut down.

>>717210424
Post proof or documentation of the test. Oh wait, there is none.

>>717208338
>shaders

>>717209973
There absolutely is. Even with just a single frame of run-ahead, the SD increases by about 1.5-2ms depending on the core. That's about a 40% increase in SD.

>>717210517
https://github.com/nba-emu/hw-test
https://github.com/mgba-emu/mgba/issues/1913
https://github.com/mgba-emu/mgba/issues/1871
https://github.com/mgba-emu/mgba/issues/2048
https://github.com/GValiente/butano/tree/master/issues/mgba_3081
https://github.com/mgba-emu/mgba/issues/2443
https://github.com/mgba-emu/mgba/issues/2413
https://github.com/mgba-emu/mgba/issues/2017
https://cirote3.itch.io/cirote3
https://github.com/CasualPokePlayer/gba-rtc-test/

>>717206487 (OP)
Hey, "richfag" how many arcade cabinets do you own?

>>717210707
>There absolutely is.
There isn't. If there was you'd post proof. You can't, so there clearly isn't.

>>717206487 (OP)
Yeah. Video Game developers that think they shut down always-online singleplayer games will never get my money again and you should be fucking ashamed of yourself for paying even one more penny to the industry at large.

>>717210729
That's mGBA you fucking moron. Documentation and proof of the test actually being performed on a MiSTer with the most updated GBA core.

>>717210874
>That's mGBA you fucking moron.
No, those are the tests.
>Documentation and proof of the test actually being performed on a MiSTer with the most updated GBA core.
Ask on the discussion page of the wiki, the guy who uploaded the test results, or run the tests yourself.

>>717211139
>No, those are the tests.
The tests... PERFORMED ON MGBA, NOT MISTER YOU FUCKING SMOOTHBRAIN

>Ask on the discussion page of the wiki, the guy who uploaded the test results, or run the tests yourself.
So there is zero proof or documentation. Bullshit just as expected.

Family Guy won Simpsons and South Park lost

SAME THREAD EVERY DAY RITUAL POST TIME TIME TO POST IT AGAIN MOM LOOK I POSTED IT AGAIN OPE. OH OH YES YES THIS TIME IT HIT 55 REPLIES THATS MY RECORD I GOTTA SHOW MY DISCORD PALS HNNNGGGH IM GONNA JERK MY LITTLE 1 INCHER HNGGH IM GONA FUCKING PRE

>>717211219
>The tests... PERFORMED ON MGBA, NOT MISTER
The tests that were performed on all the emulators and mister...
>So there is zero proof or documentation.
So you think a wiki contributor, who's uploaded tons of tests for different systems over years, faked these tests because... ?

My DS is literally dying and turning off randomly
Physical games have a use by date

>>717211485
>The tests that were performed on mister...
Allegedly***, just with zero documentation or proof.

>So you think a wiki contributor, who's uploaded tons of tests for different systems over years, faked these tests because... ?
I have no idea who did the test, there is zero documentation or proof, just "believe me bro"

>>717207519
In case of picrel, Harkinian is better for letting you actually control the camera, along other things.

>>717206487 (OP)
>YOU DIDN'T BUY IT! THAT'S NOT FAIR!
Nothing greater than a wagie/buyer cope.

>>717211738
>just "believe me bro"
Actually there's 2 more options.
You can download the tests and try them yourself >>717210729
Or, and judging from the last couple posts this seems like a much more reasonable option, fuck off to >>>/x/ you paranoid schizo.

>>717211485
>>717211924
>this random test made up solely to shill some no name emulator was totally tested by this random guy with zero proof and you should believe it just because he said so
>therefore MiSTer innacurate
astounding levels of stupidity

>>717211924
>just test it yourself bro!! because this guy who supposedly tested it has zero proof or documentation!!
meanwhile, an anon who actually did test and had lag numbers for run-ahead was dismissed all while you refused to do your own tests.

fuck off idiot.

>>717212038
There's quite a few tests anon, not just 1.

>>717212262
Those are from four years ago retard

>>717208510
>and more accurate.
Day 786 of waiting for a Misterfag to show
ONE
example of greater accuracy that cannot be achieved in an emulator.

>>717212262
>creator of GBAhawk creates random bullshit test that conveniently only his emulator passes while all other highly accurate emulators fail
>literally name the test after your own name
They're not exactly very bright or subtle are they?

>>717206487 (OP)
>>717208248
>>717209148
>>717209408
This right here is why people not only wont buy your toy, but actively hate you for making these threads. If you had just posted

>FPGAs can play real cartridges and are easy to hook up to CRTs, they're pretty cool

Then fine, fair enough. But trying to pull the superiority card - WHILE NOT BEING SUPERIOR - and then lying about it makes everyone not only not want one but also to never be associated with anyone who has one.

>>717206487 (OP)
I make around 300k/year and I'm looking to retire before I turn 50.

I can do that by not being a triple retard with money.

>>717212435
See >>717209895

>>717212634
N64, PSX, Saturn cores are all far more accurate than any software emulator.

Rest of the cores are already 99.9999999% accurate, and it's just about dickmeasuring down to transistor level for bullshit that has quite literally zero impact on anything even when compared directly with the most thorough scrutiny

>>717212803
That's when the page was edited, those are old tests

>>717212807
>words words words words
Just show us anon. Please. One example. Just link one side by side comparison video where something is missing in emulator.

>>717206487 (OP)
is there any legitimate argument for posting the same thread every day? nigger? why argue about anything that other people do when you can't even control yourself

Yeah so like um im just gonna torrent and play my roms. I know, UGH. But im not gonna pay for exorbitant prices for retro games is all ahahahahahahaha

>>717212635
Yeah, bout that:
>https://github.com/alyosha-tas/gba-tests/
>forked from jsmolka/gba-tests
he just added a few more tests to someone elses suite.
>only his emulator passes
Mesen not only also passes it, but passes more than GBAHawk.

Emudevs don't make tests that pass on their emulators, they make tests that fail, so they can then fix up their emulators and make them pass.

Emulator fags literally don't play games.

There, that's how you counter them. Same with MiSTer and Everdrive fags.

Watch them tie themselves into knots and post their epic libraries while refusing to just show playtime, despite almost every single emulator having the feature now.

>>717212904
You can run any game in existence on original hardware in parallel with MiSTer and see it's completely identical.

>>717213134
Why are you replying to me? I said emulator and mister, not original and mister.

The fact that you're paying for emulated ROMs and companies were always considering denouncing used copies as piracy.

>>717206487 (OP)
Because there are no other alternatives in most cases

>>717213117
>Mesen not only also passes it, but passes more than GBAHawk
And fails more accurate tests like AGS Aging Cartridge.

>Emudevs don't make tests that pass on their emulators, they make tests that fail, so they can then fix up their emulators and make them pass.
They implement hacky solutions to pass so they can shill their garbage emu for being more accurate because it pased a test (that they *totally* didn't design themselves, oh wait they did).

Still zero proof or documentation of any of these tests being performed on original hardware vs. MiSTer.

MiSTer is completely identical to original hardware for every single game as well as 100% pass on the extremely stringent internal test produced by Nintendo themselves for their own actual hardware, AGS Aging Cartridge... but whoops, some tranny freak made some random bullshit test, custom made for their own emulator to pass, and totally tested the MiSTer despite zero proof whatsoever!

>>717207921
>for $0, AND with software enhancements like 4x internal resolution and unlimited framerate

>>717213130
I been playin along with episodes of GCCX lately, its pretty cozy. Densha De GO is what i been currently on and it is ballbusting hard but pretty fun

>>717212807
>Rest of the cores are already 99.9999999% accurate
>https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/GBA_MiSTer/issues
>Select Legacy of Goku I and you get severe loud audio corruption shortly after the WebFoot logo, From how my head felt afterwards i think this might be a genuine health hazard
lol, mister sisters literally going deaf because of their shoddy emulation.

>>717213215
>it's as accurate as original hardware
>but who cares about that, is it as accurate as an emulator at this bullshit made up test specifically made for this emulator?
Nigger, I have to ask: ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED?

Consoles get old and break.

>>717206487 (OP)
is there any argument for misters outside of poorfaggotry

>>717213498
>And fails more accurate tests like AGS Aging Cartridge.
>SiSTer posting 100% blatant lie
wow, color me surprised

>>717213606
Every single time without fail they either have an outdated years old version or are using a feature/enhancement that literally signposts that it's inaccurate and may cause issues with rare select games. Or they're just feature requests. Or it's the same behavior on original hardware.

>>717213627
This anon >>717208248 said:
>and more accurate.
That's what the thread line is about. Can you show one example of mister being more accurate to original hardware then emulation?

>>717208248
hello MiSTer Shill

>>717206487 (OP)
Harming game companies

>>717213498
>Still zero proof or documentation of any of these tests being performed on original hardware vs. MiSTer.
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/GBA_MiSTer/issues/157

>>717206487 (OP)
Better support for romhacks
Better performance and resolution
Support for netplay

>>717213606
>>717213945
>Cherry-picking one of the cores that still needs work by tossing a series of tests on it that are so severe even REAL HARDWARE can fail some of them:
https://github.com/mgba-emu/suite/issues/22

Disingenuous tranny moment

>>717213750
>It is corrupted in the same way in the accuracy_20250629 core too
Every single time without fail you will post cope.

>>717213945
No, this test is not useful.
It's just a demo that probably checks the timer after some endless time (218 million clock ticks!)

There is no intermediate result, so how is anyone supposed to know where some difference comes from?

A good test is:
>open source
>short
>provides information what failed

This test does nothing of that. As expected of a custom test from some tranny freak shilling their emulator

>>717206790
>most people are too retarded to learn how to emulate and would rather blow money
Looks like it's 100% free to continue playing games I already own

>>717206487 (OP)
actual preservation
>but muh luxury of physical
is why limited run games exist

>>717214058
Just tested that game and no issue. Either dude is retarded using old build or already fixed

>717206487
Higher internal resolution.
More visual options.
Easy modding.
You're a retard.

>>717214032
That test hasn't been posted itt, but here you go. You'll note that the exact test you're posting about is marked in yellow and has a footnote explicitly stating it doesn't work on real hardware with a flashcart. How very disingenuous, hmm?

>>717214168
I can copy paste too.
I may have misinterpreted this post by Alyoshas

He posted "Right now the big driver for accuracy improvements is an (NSFW) test rom called CiroteMark."

https://tasvideos.org/Forum/Topics/23529?CurrentPage=4&Highlight=536079#536079

It may not help you improve, but it's clear that getting a score of 0 makes the core more accurate.

If you have other more useful tests, great.

If it helps here I have seen the discussion and commits to fix it:

https://forums.nesdev.org/viewtopic.php?p=301827#p301827
https://forums.nesdev.org/viewtopic.php?p=301900#p301900
SourMesen/Mesen2@386ecc2
SourMesen/Mesen2@bbd9ed7
SourMesen/Mesen2@ad2b8b8

Thanks for your great work Robert

>>717206958
To be fair, it's not helped by the dozen or so different N64 emulator forks out there. I mean sure, they're all eons ahead of PJ64, but people want to find the one that is THE most ahead, and in doing so, they get lost going through all those names and just hearing "this isn't accurate enough, this isn't accurate enough, this isn't accurate enough, etc. etc.," which leaves them with the impression that it's all still borked.

Not to shill or anything but I like doing the retro achievements for old ps1 and ps2 games plus I don’t have an upscaler for my console to make it high definition for my 4K smart TV, I prefer to play games on my TV than the PC.

>>717214493
>it's not useful at all but for transistor level dickmeasuring that no one cares about we don't really have anything else as we've already achieved 100% accuracy in every single game and romhack
Dilate

>>717214587
>i don't like playing games on my PC so I run it on this other PC
retard

>>717207006
what an incredibly funny idea for a person

>guy who thinks every single new videogame is inexplicably laggy without realizing it's his setup

>>717214616
>it's 99.9999999% accurate
>... if you just ignore its inaccuracies
And hey, guess what can also play all those games and romhacks even better than an FPGA? I'll give you a hint, it starts with E.

>Want to play game
>Open emulators folder
>pick game
>drag and drop rom to emulator
>No controller required, but can use if i want
Feels good playing GAMES and not being bound by all the external BS

>>717214664
that already exists. It is called half of /v/ whenever a new shitty port comes out and when they get outed for having 10 year old hardware they deflect

>>717214664
Except it's not, retard. Guy who made that image is like 60 IQ.

All tests were accurate, the 200ms+ figure is for the dash in Bloodborne, the other actions are less laggy, but still almost 150ms.

What mental illness would compel someone to buy some dedicated shitbox because the emulation coughed up one weird pixel
Who fucking cares, any phone can emulate everything 3ds and down, any laptop with a dedicated GPU can emulate ps3, switch and down, any half decent desktop can emulate PS4 and down

>>717214801
>inaccuracy
>not in actual games
>but made up tests from trannies to shill an emulator
Kek, whatever you say retard

>>717214918
>200ms+ figure is for the dash in Bloodborne
The dash triggers went you let go of the button, not when you press it. Did you measure it from went you let go?

>>717214975
>but muh shitbox that struggles with PS2

>>717206487 (OP)
>games run better on an emulator than anywhere else
>no cd/cartidge loading errors
>can play any version of any game you want whenever you want
>romhacks, patches, fan translations, etc
>can play in any resolution, framerate, etc you want
>it's free
>you can take a fat shit on jewish corporations like nintendo and their retarded transexual fans
you'd have to be actually braindead retarded not to emulate tho

>>717206958
And yet no one ever says what supposedly is the alternative. Kill yourself.

>>717215298
https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Nintendo_64_emulators#Emulators

>>717215298
mupen64+. Feel free to finish that noose

>>717213627
Oh surprise surprise, you've gone silent.
Stay tuned for day 787 tomorrow where Misterfags still quote superior accuracy compared to emulators that has somehow escaped all video evidence of.

>>717215054
Dumbass, it doesn't matter whether you tap it as quick as possible, tap it slow, or literally hold it the entire time. The MINIMUM input lag for the dash is well over 200ms. That's totally unacceptable for an action game

>>717214857
>hardware
It's a console you dumbfuck, the only thing affecting numbers are controller, which is a standard OEM controller, and TV which has 10ms display lag (center of screen, only 2ms more than a fucking CRT)

My PC is actually very low lag, consoles are the issue.

>>717215427
So you did not measure it from went you let go?

>>717213798
>>717215420
Literally just go on any github for an emulator and look at issues. MiSTer won't have any of those. Same for timing, completely identical to OG hardware

>>717215427
>retard can't read a chain
woah. Amazing. So this is the power of MiSTers

>>717215494
>Still can't show a single video
Come on, how about a screenshot? Something. Anything.

>>717215494
>MiSTer won't have any of those.
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/PSX_MiSTer/issues

>>717215493
Retard, that is not how you measure input lag. That is not how you EVER have measured input lag. If FromSoft are a bunch of retards who have programmed it that way, that is an admission of their incompetence, not a defense.

But yes, I am physically flicking the button as fast as I possibly can, much faster than it would ever be pressed and released under gameplay circumstances.

>>717215609
There is a joke here somewhere

>>717215609
See >>717213750

>>717206487 (OP)
Hardware eventually rots, replacement parts become impossible to find, eventually you're using so many system mods to play on modern TVs that you might as well just use an emulator.

>>717215716
See >>717214058

I can never keep up with these threads. Reading the arguments just gives me a headache because misterfag has the inability to be intellectually honest

>>717206487 (OP)
>increasing internal resolution and HD textures for 3D generation consoles
>framerate improvement mods
>lots of controller options
>>717209482
To be fair, a good amount of GBA games have palette restoration/fix mods (including the Blizzard ports like Lost Vikings).

>>717206487 (OP)
>owning the games
getting raped by resellers unless you had the console and the games already
>everdrive
getting raped by resellers unless you had the console already
>MISTer
$600 meme devices for autistic retards, by autistic retards

>>717215823
probably just a bad dump. I've had old roms that don't work on MiSTer, but I redownload the proper rom from myrient and it works now.

>>717213627
>thread is specifically about emulation
>why are you bringing up emulation
hmmmmm. Wonder why. Fucking retard

I think emulation is great because it gives people an easy opportunity to explore just about everything the medium has to offer. It's really easy to take a chance on something new and unique when you feel like you won't waste money on it and it's a great tool for developing personal taste.

>>717215847
yeah it's stupid. if they were just honest I'm sure they'd get a few sales, people love like novelty boxes just look at the chinkshit threads, but it's like they're actively trying to drive people away by being as insufferable as possible

>>717215915
>$600 meme devices for autistic retards
not the OP and they are for fucking retards but they are "cheap" now. Still a meme device for basically no one

>>717206487 (OP)
>hardware emulation isn't emulation because I said so
uhhh ok

>>717215940
Nope.
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/PSX_MiSTer/issues/319
Also funny to see them use emulator's source as reference, while working and getting help from emulator devs, and yet people here still try to upsale MiSTer as some higher echelon of accuracy.

>>717216113
>literally a magic box the size of a soda can that plays all those retro classics completely hardware accurate with original controllers and completely 100% lagless (identical to original hardware)
>just works perfectly headache-free on CRT with any connection type, or you can hook up and play on 4k TV with zero additional lag
>one shared hardware configuration + update_all script means you never ever have to worry about issues specific to your drivers, hardware setup, or Nvidia/AMD settings, or tinkering with specific builds or settings. Just run update_all script and it just works perfectly for everyone
It's like 100 consoles + everdrives for each one + retrotink 5x + zero latency in a small, portable package. It's really a no brainer if you aren't a poorfag.

>>717216521
if you aren't a poorfag you can buy a real PC and have access to a gorgillion plugins and emulator tools that the MiSTer wishes it had access to

>>717216309
>game no one in existence has ever heard of
>literally an issue for every emulator in existence
>except DuckStation that made a custom hacky workaround for it
>now already fixed in MiSTer core with an actual proper low-level fix that further improves accuracy from 99.99999999% to 99.999999999%
they're really not sending their best, huh

>released 2021
>4 years later it still makes poorfags and thirdies seethe
Although tbf the same goes for the steam deck

>>717216673
I already have a high-end PC. MiSTer is a replacement to original hardware.

>>717216839
Judging by your latency tests and other sperging I truly do not believe you

>>717216752
>>now already fixed in MiSTer core
It isn't yet...

>>717216802
Can you buy the analogue in thirdie shitholes? The funniest part about the deck is that they don't sell it in brownoid shitholes so they get sour grapes about it. I mean even if it was it'd still be sour grapes because they can't afford it regardless

>>717217168
I think so but analogue doesn't do regional pricing so they'd have to pay out the ass for one

>>717217101
I just tested it though? So yeah, it is fixed.

Having all those games in my computer is a lot more convenient than having a bunch of consoles and dozens of physical games taking up space
Simple as.

>>717206487 (OP)
Who the fuck is mister overdrive lmao

>>717217606
being dead is also convenient

>>717217465
There's been 1 commit since that issue:
>https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/PSX_MiSTer/commits/main/
It was to fix the scaler and had nothing to do with the issue:
>https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/PSX_MiSTer/pull/320

>I just tested it though?
To answer that question, no you didn't. You've just lied, and have been caught doing so.

>>717217735
No it's not. I can't play games if I am dead. Although for a /v/ermin such as yourself it isn't too much different

>>717217809
you wont want to play games when youre dead

>>717217772
It was an undocumented change, works now.

>>717206487 (OP)
>zoomers can't into file management so they cope with this image and more™

>>717217910
Just post proof then you lying cunt

>>717218010
>waste time and dox yourself because I'm too lazy to check it myself
Nah I'm good. you probably don't even own a mister lolz

>>717206487 (OP)
WHAT I CANT HAVE A FOLDER OF EVERY GENESIS GAME BECAUSE SOME FAGGOT ZOOMER THINKS SO? ILL BASH YOUR FUCKING SKULL INTO A BRICK WALL YOU FUCKING DEAD TRANNY

>>717207271
>Mister is hardware emulation that can play original cartridges.
I know FPGA is perfectly capable of this, but I have never seen a mister setup specifically that can read cartridges. Can you show me one? I'd be very interested if they're available.

This might take the cake for the gayest spam schizo threads next to milquetoast 3 posts. Genuinely off yourself

>>717217910
>It was an undocumented change
>and they didn't link the commit in the issue
>or even mention it in the issue
>or close the issue
Why are you lying? Are you a Russian just engaging in vranyo? Is that just all of what these FPGA threads are?

>>717218051
>Gets caught lying
>N-no I'm not
>Post proof then retard
>N-no
Intellectually dishonest mental midget

For me, it's OLED 'eck with enough shaders to trick my brain into thinking it looks good.

>>717206487 (OP)
I don't want to play 3D games at low resolutions and shit framerates if I don't have too.

>>717218414
>>717218380
It's literally working on my machine, right now, right in front of me.

I'm sorry you don't own a MiSTer and instead choose to seethe endlessly.

>>717206487 (OP)
>AAAAAIIIIEEEEE IS THAT A FOLDER? DIRECTORIES? SAVE ME YOUTUBER-SAMA

>>717218645
Then post it. You made an assertion and all current evidence proves that it is still borked outside of you who has a history of exaggerating the truth and hiding critical information

>>717218645
Sure thing, Vladimir.

>>717218803
>>717218793
You have a MiSTer right? Should be trivial to test it yourselves then

>muh upscaled resolution
Developers never intended for you to play at 4k with custom shaders and everything else
It goes against the artistic style of the games
You are like a troon with bolt on tits, a bbl, and full facial reconstruction

>>717218852
Just did test it, it's still broken.

>>717218921
Wow your fast. Just got it myself and can also confirm it is fucked

>>717218920
>Developers never intended for you to
don't care, didn't ask.

>>717218920
Developers also intended for you to play on original hardware with physical games. Nintendo executives have talked in legnth about how part of the experience is slotting in carts

>>717218920
>play PC port of a game in 4K
>no one gives a shit

>play the exact same game in an emulator at 4K
>autistic screeching, something something tranny
3D graphics are designed to scale. End of discussion.

>>717219025
>>717218921
just tested it again on my actual mister and it's working fine. keep seething though

>>717218920
Then why every port to the PC had option to set higher resolutions?

>>717219164
Because pc fags are troons and wouldn't buy the port if they can't troon it out

>>717218920
>artistic intentions

>>717218920
>Developers never intended for you to play at 4k
Those same developers included higher resolution in the remasters and ports they personally made tho?

I don't like having to deal with when an emulator dev is having a crashout

>>717219949
#justlinuxthings

>>717206487 (OP)
higher resolution and clearer image quality along with higher framerates, already own the games on the original consoles btw

>>717206487 (OP)
>have to pay the price of a car to play a 20-30 year old game because the company doesn't sell it anymore so you can only find resellers trying to make a buck out of collectors

Nah, fuck that

>>717206487 (OP)
too much clutter/dont have a crt anymore

>>717206487 (OP)
Yes, discs and disc drives suck dick and are almost impossible to replace nowadays. I've got over 20 gamecube discs and I can't play one because now even my replacement drive bit the dust. Cartridge systems can usually get away with Flashcarts, so long as they aren't cheap chinese shit that's over or undervolted.

I bet the same people who shit on emulators also have their PS2 plugged into their modern TV with a coaxial cable and don't notice a problem.

>>717215413
nta but mupen64 still sucks a wad of baby dicks.

>>717220204
It's just retards going
>My setup is less convenient and more expensive therefore it is superior

>>717206487 (OP)
Still not buying your console, sorry!

>>717206487 (OP)
Why would I pay shitloads of money for an out of print game and a working used console? If there's a functional digital alternative then sure I'll go for that

>>717206487 (OP)
I paid for a game in 2004, so I get to play the game however I want. It just happens to be really easy to do this whether or not you buy anything, but with each passing year it becomes easier to forget and harder to care.

>>717206487 (OP)
Absolutely unreal schizotroon melty itt by the mister sister
Not buying your shitty hardware, sorry

>>717206487 (OP)
1) The game is no longer in production/on store shelves/listed in digital storefronts.
2) The game was never released in my region.

In both cases, there is no legal way for me to purchase the game in a way that actually supports the developers.

>>717206487 (OP)
Translation: please buy my AAA slop! I'm about to lose my job! Weeeahhhhhhh!

>>717219413
>same developers

Considering how butchered the lighting often tends to be in remasters and the sheer gaps in time between them and the originals, as well as overall atrocities like the GTA Trilogy remasters - these are more than likely done without much of the OG art team's input if at all.

Regardless, there's exceptions. Carmack had that hacker ethic and was more or less 'go nuts' when he released Doom's source code and the Kex port added a whole bunch of shit, the CnC Remasters brought back some of the original devs and even the musician, etc. And games like PSO2 had Sega's own developers fuck up the game's lighting entirely when they added PBR with nobody else to blame.

>>717206487 (OP)
nigger my pc can run shitch games at 4x the resolution 4x the framerate
mhgu runs so fucking good on ryujinx

>>717206487 (OP)
Also..
>Is there any legitimate argument for anti-emulation aside from LowIQfaggotry?
We know youre dumb, but dont take it out on everyone else. Communicate like an adult. Be real.

Luv sitting on a beanbag in front of a CRT and booting up an old console me. Simple.
Will emulate though if i haven't played the game before and don't want to pay $30+ for it. Or want to play some nintendoshit, I don't have any nintendo consoles.

>>717221383
I personally just use a HDMI-Composite adapter to run a PC on my CRT screen.
Sadly no 240p, but good enough

>>717220971
>Considering how butchered the lighting often tends to be in remasters and the sheer gaps in time between them and the originals, as well as overall atrocities like the GTA Trilogy remasters - these are more than likely done without much of the OG art team's input if at all.
ok but I'm talking about remasters that included the original devs, not ones that didn't. They all included higher resolutions to match the hardware.

Someone explain what's wrong with using this?

>>717221642
It looks like shit and adds lag.

>>717221642
>intup
>ps3/4 / notebook / desktop even though none of those use RCA
sounds like the cheapest chinkshit to me, it's probably an empty box

>>717221837
It's like they don't know if it converts composite to hdmi or the other way around.

>>717206487 (OP)
Is there any legitimate argument for being an insistent paypiggy aside from having a low IQ cuckold mindset?

>>717221642
Doesnt re-render that game, just STRETCHES the inage across the screen. Are you a gamer? Wtf

>>717218226
Analogue's devices are FPGA. They're releasing an N64 one soon that ships with 8bitdo's new N64 controller. They're probably best known for the Analogue pocket that plays GB/C games and has adapters for other handheld cartridges. Very expensive though

>>717206487 (OP)
All of my old consoles are in storage bins in my parents attic 1500 miles away. I'm not buying new ones, and I don't have the ones I own available, so I emulate.

>>717222097
>Literally just reinventing the wheel
And people say this shit isn't a meme

>>717222097
I know that, anon. Read my post again, I know what FPGA is, I know what it can do. I was asking about mister setups specifically. I'm salty that I missed the boat on the super NT. I'd like one machine that can play both NTSC and PAL games, largely just so I can import Terranigma.

>>717207162
Is this not still emulating

>>717206974
Darn, he'll never recover from that.

>>717206487 (OP)
freedom, mods, and romhacks

easy access to all your games in one place. if you don't care about that and aren't a poorfag you'd just get real hardware

>>717221642
ignore the other tards, the main issue with this is that composite is not a very clean signal, so upscaling it to HDMI will just exacerbate its issues.

For Wii, I just use Wii2HDMI or whatever it's called, and it actually looks really great and adds essentially zero lag (tested). For PS2, there's not really any good way to play it on a modern display without de-interlacing artifacts and additional lag without something like a Retrotink. I got the 5xPro, but I honestly kinda regret not just getting the Retrotink 4k and then also using that for my PS3, Wii, MiSTer, or even for my Xbox Series with 720p BC games.

>>717222229
Oh, gotcha. I only know of FPGA from those Analogue devices. I've only seen those mister devices used as a catch all emulator like a retropi

>>717206790
Totally depends on the emulator/system. The problem is you have both sides. Lots of emulator users will just claim "oh you just don't know the settings/fix" and then after a ton of tweaking and research you realize they are full of shit for certain issues and those suddenly are "no big deal." PCSX2 is probably THE example of this.

>>717222325
Emulation in the context of video games means emulating the console, so there is no emulation.

>>717206487 (OP)
For older then 14 years games I think it's justified.

The only reason people get angry about it is that deep down there's this understanding that modern games are trash. So as a result games like Bloodborne suddenly have an inflated worth to it.

>>717206487 (OP)
Gamedev

When I was a kid I was swapping out our NES to play a genesis game and I had the big brained idea of
>"What if...there was ONE console that could play ALL the games!"
Little did I know emulators were being developed online. When I finally found out I downloaded Sonic 3 and was stunned at how clean it looked. My setup was so shit that I couldn't make out the fine details, I never noticed the "3D" parallax scrolling effects in the background.
Also, our NES also barely worked. I would hit the top of the console until the game would work, until it crashed 10 minutes later. Emulators just werked.

I still have a few working CRTs and get the warm and fuzzies playing old games on them, but emulation has been so much better in general.

>>717206487 (OP)
>My little cousin wants to play Advance Wars By Web
>Make him to download mednafen emulator instead
>Host a server and play the game properly with sound and animations
>Don't let him win because I'm not some casual, he deserved death for spamming Mechs as Sami anyway

>>717224495
>wanted to play AWBW
>beat him anyways
is he some mangs viewer or something? Pathetic display

>>717224572
dunno but he didn't even know how to unzip a file, I had no choice but to redpill him.
we have to pass on our knowledge to the next generation or the zoomers will all be stuck playing AWBW and watching 5 unskippable ads on YouTube

>>717224864
AWBW is for after you mastered the GBA games. Seems odd to me he just skipped that step
t. 1250 mmr

>>717224864
God, I remember when youtube still had private messages. Some kid tried to ask me how to set up a PS1 emulator. He didn't know why his .rar file wasn't working.
I made some shitty comment like, it's your job to google what a .rar file was. He said "ok..." and never replied back.

Now I'm a lot more patient with younger people.
If they don't know something: they don't know something. Getting mad won't help anything.

>>717225238
I have learned from teaching my little brother (22 year gap) that the best thing to do is get them to search the info and read it out loud. When they read the answer out loud you just ask if they have done that yet. Get them in the habit of googling and teaching them how to search information

>>717208494
based

Based. Original hardware all the way. Emulation will never, ever, EVER be perfect enough for me to touch it.

>>717206487 (OP)
It makes faggots like you mad enough to make a thread.

>>717206487 (OP)
>I'm better than you because I paid for a shitbox with less accurate emulators
what retarded niggerlicious thought process is this

For me its original hardware with an optical drive replacement to maintain it's longevity as well as making my physical purchases relevant forever
And yes I do enjoy pirating when I don't own the game how could you tell?