Thread 717224621

In an era of remakes, reboots, unwanted sequels and milking every last bit of nostalgia, I’m surprised their franchise has never been brought back.

Too edgy for the modern audience

>>717224621 (OP)
Jak 4 would've been so different from the first three games that it may as well have been a reboot, and fans fucking hated what they saw, but Naughty Dog didn't want to do Jak any other way, so they chose to not do it at all, meaning the series is just dead in the water.

>>717224621 (OP)
Druckmann will reboot it when he figures out how to make it a revenge story for some girl boss dyke bitch angry after showing Jak and Daxter get beaten to death by some other bull dyke.

>>717229116
This

>>717224621 (OP)
After watching how soulless ratchet and clank became I'm glad that jak and daxter hasn't suffered the same fate. I just wish the third game had more production time because it was kinda shit compared to the first two.

>>717224621 (OP)
they understand that it may look too nightmarish if done in photoreal....

>>717224621 (OP)
modern naughty dog and sony by extension don't want anything to do with this kind of game anymore they're ashamed of it and think that they've heckin progressed beyond such childish and shallow endeavors to start making real art

>>717224621 (OP)
I hope that ND goes under, Druckmann's career is ended, and Jak is bought by someone who views the industry's transformation in the mid-00s as a mistake.

>>717224621 (OP)
Its a blessing modern writers and devs hate “edgy.” Its also a blessing that they sincerely believe they are too far above platformers of anykind. So Jak will never return because nobody wants to make a Spyro/Banjo inspired world of shiny shit to collect and nobody wants to make a GTA clone where the protagonist is perpetually angry all the time and turns into a monster who can channel dark energy.

>>717229116
>>717229224
He cancelled Jak 4 because he realized it was becoming something fans wouldn't have wanted

>>717231582
>What fans wanted
More Jak and Daxter
>What duckboy was making
Some repulsive, ugly, realistic take on Jak and Daxter likely with those abominable auto-jumps from Unsharted and a story no one would like
Instead of making what the fans wanted he went "NO THAT'S TOO HARD CANCEL IT"
It's really not that hard, duckboy and his team are simply retarded

>>717233710
The artist who designed Crash, Jak, Daxter and the worlds they inhabited was mistreated by Naughty Dog and left them. He openly talks shit about the two original head guys in some artbook, I forgot which. The real reason ND won't go back to Jak is because they can't. The guy who gave the entire world its life and personality isn't on the team and hasn't been for a long time.

>Source
https://www.crashmania.net/en/backstage/articles/creators-of-crash/charles-zembillas/

>>717224621 (OP)
it's a blessing that it hasn't been brought back, and that the spinoff games were still pretty good besides that psp plane game

>>717234045
That was why ND abandoned cartoon aesthetics for their games wasn't it? None of their artists could either replicate his style or come up with something different that could sell well so they pivoted to more realistic designs that are easier to make.

>>717236260
I doubt it, they pivoted because they don't have any love or respect for platformers and cartoony games

people forgot about it but I remember back during the early playstation days sony execs scoffed at the idea of playstation having a mascot implying it was something lame and outdated and that they wanted to have a more sophisticated brand image

Because it actually wasn't that popular and they shattered the fanbase with changing the tone of the second game so drastically. There's really no audience for it anymore, maybe a couple nostalgiafags fighting which one is better: colorful platformer collectathon like the 1st one or an edgy GTA-clone with dark story like the 2nd.

I wouldn't mind it but have ND stay the fuck away from it.

>>717224621 (OP)
What is their to bring back, the first game pretty much had no plot until the final 2 minutes, and the second/third game are time traveling stories which are inherently lame

>>717236553
You're dead wrong. TLOU pre production began as Jak 4. All of ND wanted to do it. But they couldn't. They lacked the necessary talent. Their artists on hand can do realistic but not whimsical. The guy who created Crash even said the first Jak was causing them lots of stress because they couldn't design a character and needed to outsource it. Naughty Dog CAN'T do if, even if they wanted to. They recognized and admitted this during the Jak 4 sketch sessions and eventually moved to TLOU. Those Jak 4 pics weren't leaked, ND released it themselves and openly admitted they weren't able to do the franchise justice.

>>717224719
It wasn't a bad game but it was the worst out of all the jak and daxter games. 3>Daxter>2>1>CombatRacing>4 this is a fact unless you love collectathons inwhich case 1 is your favourite (and that's fair).

>>717237675
Grim, I really liked Jak 1's world, shame that they wanted to make a GTA like game, had to throw that world away.

>>717237675
https://gameluster.com/naughty-dog-is-not-doing-cartoony-games-anymore-instead-focusing-on-mature-games/

>only had one game before the gta rape train arrived
grim

>>717238479
Yeah, because they can't. As stated. And because rather than credit the people who helped them they'd rather push them out or deny their level of involvement, people abandon ship. See the 70% exodus during TLOU2's production. They couldn't make an interesting design today if they tried. Just see Intergalactic.

>>717238187
TPL feels like one of the last few times a unique, interesting locale was created for a kids game. Then it gets destroyed in the sequel for a cold, cyberpunk dystopia hellhole.

>>717224621 (OP)
Jak suffers from an identity crisis that holds the franchise from realizing its fullest potential, you can’t ask anyone what J&D is about without it feeling like a quick question, it didn’t know if it wanted to be Banjo Kazooie/Spyro, GTA3 or Mad Max, even Naughty Dog knew fuck all on what exactly they wanted the cancelled Jak 4 aim for so they just stuck to standard generic realism for that.

If this series gets revived by a new studio, it NEEDS to get rebooted so it’ll have a clear idea and consistency of what it’s core gameplay and aesthetic really is.

>>717237675
Poor ND, it must be so hard living in a reality where you can't just hire one of the hundreds of thousands of artists on deviant art or fiver who could do the "whimsical" and "cartoony" style they want. ND is truly in a loser situation, because everyone knows there is not just a shortage of artists, but no artist, particularly cartoon style artists, would be looking for steady employment to do art instead of working minimum wage or a soulless desk job.

>>717224621 (OP)
There is a bit of perverse cartoony humor from Daxter. Its nothing offensive but with the snowflakes of today they will bitch about it and a cucked company like Naughty Dog would absolutely capitulate to these whiny faggots. I do not want a remake of these games. Modern Sony is a faggot company for faggots.

>>717239319
They saw the tides of the gaming industry change, hell, that playtest with the preteen boys where they told them "This is a game for my younger brother" really got to them. Just look at this map, so much could have been done beyond the boarders of the first game, but no, they caved and made GTA-lite. It worked in the short term, but what now?

>>717231582
>drunkman
>knowing what the fans want

>>717239606
Abundance and talent aren't the same thing. There are plenty of indie platformers being made and the characters look god awful.

>>717240130
>but what now?
Continued success, accolades, and the freedom to do whatever the fuck you want with Sony's money.

>>717228937
>we can't not make a cinematic realistic movie!
reading their reasoning felt like they unironically could not even compute games not being uncharted or tlou

>>717240632
Meant for Jak and Daxter, for sure ND make a bunch of money with Uncharted and Last of Us.

>>717239319
if they didnt swerve with jak 2 jak and daxter would have been forgotten as a generic no name ps2 platformer

>>717240130
Unless you’re Nintendo you just hop on whatevers trending. Right now the biggest trend is just remaking or rehashing shit. So I won’t act surprised if and when a remake of the entire trilogy gets made. Then it underperforms and whatever company that made it goes under. All of our childhood franchises and forms of media are just at the mercy of people who see it as a way of cashing in on monetary trends.

>>717240972
Nta but I both can't blame them for the change, but also not like it. Life is cruel like that.

>>717240830
Well in that case J&D burned brightly and had its time. Honestly, I prefer that to an IP being milked forever, which is one reason I don't like Nintendo stuff. Would I like a new Infamous game? Absolutely, but SP are clearly done with it and are working on Ghost. I'd rather good games and stories shine brightly and conclude rather than be milked forever. Look at poor Ratchet for a Sony example.

Because j&d fans are in their late 20s. This means they're smart enough to emulate the good games and you would have to make something on par or better than the OGs which is a nonstarter for ND and they know it since Next Guy
>>717238156
That's not why 1 is my favorite

Why won't those fuckers just sell the IP now that they're 100% sure they could never make a good Jak game anymore?

>>717241217
Because no one else could make a good Jak game, either.

speaking of jak and daxter what do you think about the movie theyre making

>>717241217
and who would buy it? it's not like the rest of the industry is chomping at the bits to develop 3D platformers except nintendo and obviously they don't need this IP

>>717241217
Nintendo already has their blonde-haired, elf franchise obviously. Sega would never entertain the idea. Microsoft doesn’t do platformers at all. So that just leaves Sony who is content to sit on the IP forever until.

Not a great platformer
Not a great shooter
Not a great driving/open world game
Jak being continued means focusing back on being a 3D platformer, or focusing on the shooter/open world stuff.

>>717241664
It was a great Jak of all trades and thus kino.

>>717241139
I've been coming to that mindset as well, I feel if a dev team wants to tell a new story or wrap up some, I want them to be able to do it, but this can have its consequences. That's part of why I don't like Sly 4 Thieves in Time, it took the ending of 3, threw it out the window, only to end on a cliffhanger that will never be resolved. Even Jak's own fourth game (coincidentally like Sly 4, was done by another dev team) ends with more adventures to come.
As for Ratchet, at least Insomniac never gave it a "conclusion" in any game, just the ending to that game's story. Narrative aside, some people just don't like how they play.

>>717241664
>Not a great platformer
First game says otherwise, it was an evolution of Crash's, breaking from the hallways of that trilogy and gives a dam fine3D world to jump around in.

>>717224621 (OP)
I do NOT want to see a modernized version of this, besides it looks and plays perfectly fine

>>717224621 (OP)
>tfw make two games that are left on a cliffhanger and are never brought up or touched apon

>>717224621 (OP)
Jak is gay

>>717240703
Well they don't even think ludonarrative dissonance is a real thing, so they must really just want to make movies but are stuck making games. Kojima type shit.

>>717242057
for daxter

It was a mid series completely lacking any charm for anybody except for people who played it when they were kids, just like Spyro. Who the fuck gives a shit about fucking Jak? Nobody that's who

Now Sly Cooper on the other hand

I think you could remake Jak 1,2,3 into 1 game and have it be really great

Like a super condensed altered version of 1 is the intro/prologue, then jak 2/3 are combined with all the shitty filler missions and filler travelling taken out

>>717241403
This reasons why Nintendo headhunts the talent and not the company or ips what's the point if none of the original heads can't work on it or train understudies.

>>717243176
Do a midquel between the events of TPL and 2 before they actually haul back the time travel portal to Sandover Village. Say some new villain wants it (to prevent the evil future making him sympathetic) and disassembles it and scatters portions of it all over the world. Then threatens any villagers or people who aid Jak and Daxter. You can now have a game set in the old world again before it all goes to hell.

>>717224621 (OP)
Snoy is literally not allowed to bring Jak, Sly, Ratchet, og GOW, uncharted trilogy, Dark Cloud, Legend of dragoon, Gravity Rush, infamous etc because kikes there can't stand cool/good looking characters

>>717234045
>Be cool artist that gives you cool designs and make your company popular
>Treat him like shit to please yids
Pathetic

>>717234045
that was sad to read, this rotten industry never changes

>>717247525
A... at least Killzone gets an anniversary set in Helldivers 2...

>>717247893
Probably cuckmann bullied him out like he did with Amy hennig

>>717248361
Alot of ND staff under Universal Interactive or Sony were treated like dirt. As idyllic and fun as Crash was its depressing when you realize they were made by people in suffering conditions.

I found The Precursor Legacy to be the superior game, honestly. Jak and Daxter literally perfected the collect-a-thon, and this is coming from a Rarefag who thinks the Nintendo 64 would have flopped without the Bongs of Tiddlywinkscross carrying it.
Also do you think Jak would smash Kameo if given the opportunity?