Thread 717237285

The reason the western video games industry is struggling is that they have to bend the knee to "investors."
Prove me wrong.

The entire western world is suffering because of the 1% extracting maximum profit from everything.

they wouldnt need investors if they didnt waste millions upon millions to make garbage like concord.

>>717237285 (OP)
Just the west? Just gaming? Doubtful this runs deeper

>>717237285 (OP)
Yes. You don't need to add airquotes around shit to try and force your retarded jew-obsessed narrative.
It is investors that want maximum profits and short term growth that have destroyed videogames. It's that simple.

The western video games industry was always shit.
>But what about 1 in 50000 exceptions like Unreal Tournament

>>717237285 (OP)
I mean, you're not exactly wrong, but only partially. It's largely American video games struggling, and yeah, all the smaller previously good devs were swallowed up by much larger companies led by people who don't understand gaming.

EU and Asia have largely been doing fine.

>>717237285 (OP)
Investors want companies to make money. They make money by making popular games. If they fail to do it, it's not because of investors
>but investors push them in the wrong direction and games fail
It's the job of team leads and ultimately the CEOs to tardwrestle investors and explain why their vision will make money. If they failed to do that, that's on them. Investors just want to make money

https://youtu.be/p1bdS2GdsPI

Im so tired, a tired sleep isn't curing

>>717238194
you say that like we arent in a time where investors with agendas can yank the chain.
still, a system where you "need" investors is a pretty stupid one. investors should be when you need a budget beyond your means.

>>717238194
Problem is that they're shortsighted and only care about short term profits, and don't look at the long-term. This forces them to chase trends, abandon what people loved about their devs prior work to chase the "next big thing", and silly claims about very successful projects being failures because they didn't make even MORE money.

It's a serious problem, and it always bites them in the ass and gives us a worse product.
When you don't have to answer to them, you can build up for the future and be better long term.

Wasn't there just a big EA investor meeting video released where the investors were shitting on the CEO for all the woke shit and EA just lied to them about it being good actually.

>>717238604
did they tie him to the table and eat him?

>>717238604
I thought I read that was largely misrepresented online, but I don't actually know for myself

>>717237285 (OP)
even before it was investors, focus groups and "playtesters" were bringing it to ruin

>>717238485
>investors with agendas
No we're not. There's a godzillion investors out there and 99.9% of them want to make money. There's also blackrock that's so rich it doesn't but that's not a normal investor at all. You don't hate investors, you hate people who spend money to shape policy/society. What you really hate is lobbying

>>717238149
>EU
Ubisoft has been shitting the bed lately too. I couple of random success stories like bg3 and e33 does not change much

>>717239232
The off-shoots of ubisoft (who left) have been doing fantastic.
Most of EU is doing fine because they're better at keeping companies from getting too out of hand (though that still happens)
In the US, theyr'e jsut running roughshod over everything.

>>717239405
I can't remember the last time I had any desire to play something made by a european dev

>>717239648
But that's purely an anecdotal you thing, nothing to do with their success

>>717240021
What offshoots of ubisoft are you even talking about?

>>717240309
nta but E33 and Stray were both made by ex-Ubisoft

>>717238106
It's always been like that. Producers of movies used to have direct control, and they steadily started losing it to the directors. Now they interject stupid shit they think will get them more ticket sales.
>Kids love skateboarding. Is there a way that Captain Miller could do an ollie off a tank?

>>717240853
Yes, movies have also been destroyed by this.
Your point?

>>717237285 (OP)
Asian game companies have investors as well, frequently the same ones. Explain your original case or be dismissed as a droll bore.

>>717240912
But it's not the reason the game industry is struggling. This concept has always been true. The people putting up the money rarely know what's good or not, but follow trends and pander.
The problem is when the investors try to make long term plays, which they're not good at.
>If we sacrifice sales on this title and show we're trans allies, surely the 99% of the world that's trans will boost our sales even more!
They don't understand that short term gains are all they understand, and not people. They're playing Go Fish on a 4D chess board.

>>717241072
>This concept has always been true.
It was demonstrably less true when the industry was smaller.
>muh trans shit
That isn't a long term play, it's short term pandering to try and appeal to the broadest possible number of people. Suits don't care about inclusion because of some political affiliation, they care about it because they want the broadest possible number of people they can sell to.

>>717241172
They're attempting (or rather, attempted, as it's practically over now) a long term shift in playerbase, as they somehow think there's this silent majority that wants it. Remember "games aren't for white men anymore," not "this game isn't for white men."

>>717241056
Can't speak for OP themselves, but it's not nearly out-of-hand as in the Americas where corruption has ran roughshod and there's pretty much zero regulation on what companies can swallow up what.

There are obviously issues in other places, like with Square Enix, but it's still more in-check when in comparison

>>717241328
>themselves
He's a dude, like every other person on the internet.

Jews.

>>717241484
are you esl? perfectly normal usage in english, not one of the recent letter people things

>>717241328
He still needs to connect the corruption to the failure mode, or make whatever case he wants to make. In any case, OP has had a half hour and put zero effort into it. What a dissapointment.

>>717242715
The point is that we shouldn't need investors in the first place.
In fact, I'd say get rid of investors.

>>717237285 (OP)
Correct.

>>717237285 (OP)
It's women. The answer is always women and the men who enable them.

>>717241828
It's used when you don't know the gender, yes. But you do know. Everyone on the internet is male.

>>717243351
It can always be used even if you do know. it's not actually a criteria that you can only use it if you don't know.
Some people just want to be lazy when they type and use it often.
But even if lazy, it's a perfectly valid usage and has been that way long before modern politics

>>717243453
Valid, but dumb.

>>717237285 (OP)
Not exactly a controversial opinion, anon.

>>717240696
Aren't those considered to be small to midling studios though? OP is talking about massive big AAA companies here. There are plenty of successful smaller studios all over the place.

>>717244545
>There are plenty of successful smaller studios all over the place.
That's the point. Not in America, they get swallowed up.
Indie games, yeah, all over the place. Smaller devs? Nope. They used to be able to in America, but not these days.