now that the dust has settled, what went wrong?

not sticking to formula

No survival crafting mechanics

half the weapons are redundant

was nudoom

>>717237619 (OP)
too woke

It's on par with 5 dollar dlc

Hugo martin is a fucking faggot

it wasnt as good as eternal

Doom 2016 was perfect in every conceivable way and they proceeded to fuck it sideways, I'll never forgive them for how they did Samuel Haydens character

>>717239090
>

>>717239213
Shut the fuck up you stupid nigger die

>>717239359
tell me how many times you've replayed 2016 since it's such a perfect game. you're definitely not lying.

Obviously, nobody cares about the plot in Doom, but leaving Eternal on a cliffhanger to then make a prequel nobody asked for doesn't help. Not to mention, all the retarded gimmicks they made for fat Redditors made the game look pretty unappealing to everyone else, parryslop does NOT belong in Doom.

>>717239476
Well considering I just got back to playing doom 2016 and doom eternal after about 4 years I noticed that eternal lacks something that I enjoy in 2016 that I honestly can't explain outside of the dude lore eeeee

>>717239625
parryslop belongs in doom more than keycardcollectingslop

>>717237619 (OP)
You've experienced everything the game has to offer within like 3 hours of gameplay.

>>717239737
Parry slop shouldn't be in a shooter to begin with. Neither should the variable difficulty sliders which paradoxically sucks out all the difficulty the devs themselves could've put in when at any time you can play on the "hardest" preset than turn all the sliders down. Or removing the glory kills. You know, that thing that the new doom games are practically built around?

>>717239881
>Parry slop shouldn't be in a shooter to begin with.
Why? Why can't there be a parrying system in your shooter games? I hate eternal and dark ages, but there's nothing wrong conceptually with the mechanics, just execution, really. Parrying in an fps could be really fun and make for a well-designed game. Why doesn't it belong?

Yikeroni and cheese......

>More blocking and parrying than attacking
>Challenge evaporates from midgame onward
>Slow movement speed
>Bland and dull environments. Forced ray tracing does nothing but lower performance
>Uninspired music
>Titan, turret and dragon sections completely unnecessary, only damage the quality of the game
>Terrible boss fights and all of them are at the end of the game
>No real reason to replay except to complete super nightmare

>>717239881
>Parry slop shouldn't be in a shooter to begin with.
Ultrakill.

i liked it

Nothing, it was better than Eternal, but worse than 2016

>>717240124
>>Slow movement speed
you didnt play the game

>>717240201
>t. halo zoomie

>>717239881
The parry shit was cool for all of about 10 minutes before it sank in that it was just going to be doing that, repeatedly, just standing there waiting for attacks for like 20+ hours

>>717240297
>repeatedly, just standing there waiting for attacks for like 20+ hours
this is the same retard cope that elden ring retards had about the game where you "cant attack" but then it turns out they are just shit at the game

>>717240297
You're just mad you couldn't beat the marauder LOL

Way too much boring story where nothing cool happens thankfully you can skip them, too many padding sections that aren't fun and too much focus on parrying. A shit ton of enemies devolve into just standing there pressing parry and then shooting them. The worst part aside from the shit forced padding sections is that the first third of the game is baby mode with comically low enemy density.
Its not utterly horrible but its not nearly as fun as eternal and 2016 and its way overpriced for what it is.

>>717240235
oh I fucking did
it's slow as shit unless you deliberately modify the game speed
without the grappling hook or dodge from doom eternal you are incredibly slow

>>717239476
5

>>717241206
>you are incredibly slow
you didn't play the game and it's obvious
>>717240882
>and too much focus on parrying
only if you suck at aiming
>A shit ton of enemies devolve into just standing there pressing parry and then shooting them
as opposed to shooting them?

>>717241545
why is it obvious? I've literally put it up to 150% and it's still too goddamn slow

>>717241716
>game is too slow
>post a clip of him just standing still + not even shooting the demon
this has to be bait

>>717240346
>>717240376
Both of you are gay and I'm not haha

The gameplay, atmosphere, soundtrack, and charm is inferior to all Doom games. It’s a shame, the shield and bullet he’ll thing could’ve been cool but it’s too casual and boring.

>>717240045
Short version is that parry mechanics can encourage passive or otherwise overly defensive play that becomes too powerful a strategy if the parry rewards too much for each success. Case and point For Honor on launch had this issue where if a player was proficient with the parry mechanic, was going to win simply because their defense was too strong to get past. Even light attacks could be parried and would lead to a free heavy or possibly into a full combo depending on the class. Or the old Lord of the Rings action games, a single "Bane of" could allow you to stand in the middle of a group of enemies and slowly pick them off instantly with a single well timed parry.

Parry mechanics aren't good for shooters as they're generally meant to be played on a more active and often aggressive manner. Mobility is your primary means of protection, your health and armor is more of a bar for mistakes you can make.

>>717242713
>posts examples from random games instead of TDA
you didn't play the game

>>717237619 (OP)
>make a sequel that has a complete 180 in playstyle
>"wtf why don't people like it?"

>>717243090
He asked why parries were not meant for shooter games. I presented an argument. Try to keep up, retard.

>>717237619 (OP)
It is like a shitpost.
>Eternal is too fast, too ADHD, too hard, too colorful
Dark Ages is Easy, slow, painfully easy and everything looks the same.
On top of that, it is poorly optimized to shill Nvidia RTX 5000 series and it is about $120 for the full edition or something retarded like that or you know $1 so anyone who played the game had a bad impression thanks to goypass.

Eternal was a great game and I will die on that hill.
Here, it seems more like a Bethesda micromanaged game and the import tranny from TES team (Avacyn Shurmon) is infecting the entire team with his faggotry.
Some kike faggot hyper liberal that Bethesda and Microsoft imposed on Id Software.
The guy is a mtg / star wars consuming factual tranny and is the second largest contributor to the story with the rest of the team fixing his dog shit writing.

Finishing Move was also mandated by Microsoft since they are their stock music guys.
Hopefully this piece of shit fails to a degree that no one wants to touch Doom as an IP and leave at that. Id Studio exists, let NuDoom be and to be fair Dark Ages is not a complete piece of dog shit in the sense that it kills the interest like Duke Nukem Forever but much like Doom 3, it makes the franchise safe from further milking and the series won't go down in flames like Halo.

>>717244338
>presents random unrelated games
>argument

>>717237619 (OP)
I didn't even know it was out. Will probably check it out

>>717239090
Eternal was a better game in every metric except atmosphere anon.

>>717237619 (OP)
I like it, but Eternal is still peak
The biggest problem of this game is that it came out after Eternal

A game no-one wanted by people who have no idea what made the series they worked on good in the first place.

Was made entirely to make use of assets being created for TES VI as a cash injection for Bethesda.

I liked Dark Ages the most of the three modern games. Eternal's spastic arena-fixation makes most of the levels blend together for me. Dark Ages has some needless shit in it (the dragon, the weird turret sections at the beginning, most of all the mech) but the actual meat of the level design is more engaging and does a better job with combat encounter synergy. I like Eternal, for the record, but even something like Turbo Overkill found a better balance with its ADHD arena slaughter than Eternal for my tastes.

>>717237619 (OP)
game not on the disc

it was made for dad gamers

>>717239090
>Samuel Hayden
I have no idea what they did with the story and characters in Eternal. It's baffling and stupid.

>caring about story in a doom game
Yeah I know, but at least 2016 had some explanations for where you're going and why. In Eternal they just slap a bunch of environments and characters together, and don't even get me started on the DLC.

>>717244936
>level design is more engaging
the level design literally requires the AI to be scripted to stay still half the time. there is no level design its just a big area filled with combat arenas

>>717237619 (OP)
Cthulhu shit has made me check out of the Doom franchise for good.

>>717238896
TRVTH NVKE

>>717245391
>reddit meme

>>717237619 (OP)
>what went wrong?
too much slowmo
too many dragon sections
too many "block this green projectile" moments
that's about it, everything else is great

Is this the boomshoot thread

>>717237619 (OP)
Are there any other promising shooters coming out this year? I enjoyed it despite a lot of the weapons feeling unnecessary.

>>717244504
nta but you're very clearly losing the 19 pointless arguments you're in itt

>>717237619 (OP)
Less modes and content than previous games, protag altered for no reason (probably someone's self-insert now), and full-price, higher than Eternal was at launch. Furthermore, leave the medieval and Lovecraftian abominations to Quake.

>>717237619 (OP)
they thought they were slick

>>717237660
What did it change?

>>717249183
parryslop simon says

>>717238896
holy based

>>717249224
You forgot, while you just stand around, waiting for an opening. Looks designed for consoles.

>>717248178
again what does bringing up some random game have to do with the game we are discussing? do you expect me to even read your post if you are trying to discuss TDA and start talking about lord of the rings?

>>717237619 (OP)
They listened to the geriatric fucks who couldn't stop whining about Eternal for years, and turn DOOM back into le heckin' boomer shooterinoo
Turns out this shit is fucking boring, lmao

>>717249224
you already had parries in eternal. both the base game and all the DLCs.
>marauder
>gladiator
>turrets
>multiple bossfights

>>717237619 (OP)
>What if we added girlbosses and unavoidable Simon says mechanics into our Doom game.


That company deserves to go bankrupt.

.

>>717251489
>What if we added girlbosses
boo hoo. grow up
>and unavoidable Simon says mechanics into our Doom game.
you mean like their previous game? >>717250131

>>717252124
They made a game for you, why didn't your game blow up? Maybe not enough faggots in the world.

>>717252526
>stayed in the thread just to say "no u"
lol u mad

>>717240297
If you’re not aggressively closing in on enemies while dodging and blocking, you’re playing it wrong (or on Hurt Me Plenty). Some of the tougher encounters later on don’t give you room to sit around without a ton of enemies crawling up your ass.

>>717241716
You usually encounter Tyrants with a bunch of other enemies like Hell Knights or Arachnotrons. You wouldn’t be able to camp out and do that in most scenarios.

>>717237619 (OP)
The price and no Mick Gordon

>>717237619 (OP)
Should've made heretic/hexen instead. Combat is fine but focus on melee, partying enemies and mini bosses are lame. Their giant robots and flying dragons sucks.

I wonder how long it would take for Eternal and Dark Ages to end up on GOG

>>717251489
>That company deserves to go bankrupt.
Good luck with that, they are owned by Microsoft.

>>717253146
>heretic/hexen
no one gives a fuck or even know about this obscure nerd shit

Doom 3 > nudooms

>>717254035
I do, and many other here do too
where the fuck do you think you are?

>>717254269
I like the Mancubus in DOOM 3 the most

>>717237619 (OP)
Not like fortnite enough

>doom game with no multiplayer

>>717237619 (OP)
Nothing.

Ive been playing on controller at 140 speed nightmare and im on the last level, and honestly it started wearing out its welcome starting at lvl 17. There are no new enemy types and only 2 real bosses for 5 whole chapters. I think they should have deleted the 4 dragon and 4 robot segments and just added more late game content cause this is trash.

Overall the game is way too easy even on controller with 75 percent damage, 140-150 speed - screen clearing shield, parries do aoe damage etc. I can't imagine how bored Eternal players felt playing this. The story is also inferior compared to Eternal somehow, things just happen without proper transitions.

Overall 7/10, its that high only because it feels different from the other entries and it's relatively fun using the controller.

>>717237619 (OP)
Doom Eternal already felt like a Serious Sam ripoff this felt like they just straight up copied Serious Sam, I am talking about the gameplay.

>>717239640
atmosphere and lack of retarded cartoonish humor

>>717244659
Atmosphere trumps all.
>Doom 2016 > Doom Eternal
>Half-Life 1 > Half-Life 2
>Arkham Asylum > Arkham City
>Alien > Aliens
>Terminator 1 > Terminator 2
Get better taste

>>717256887
gameplay is king

>>717256887
>Atmosphere trumps all
Correct, which is why Eternal won

>>717256929
Great atmosphere + meh gameplay > Meh atmosphere + great gameplay. If either are bad, the game fails, but a strong atmosphere is more important than strong gameplay, 10 times out of 10. For me.

>>717257019
nah. i wont ever play 2016 again because its just halo with demons, and probably wont replay TDA. but i have replayed eternal.

if the game's not fun. what's the point?

>>717237619 (OP)
it wasn't a DOOM game

>>717257012
yay for the atmosphere in eternal.
literal cartoon sound effects
>bop
>zap
>birds chirping for a stun

2016 was more grounded and felt believable. even the little lore dumps you collect were better, pdas scattered around because the people carrying them got torn in two by demons as opposed to random floating pages on fire. cartoon shit that just distracted a ton.

It was okay. I'll replay it when they remove the slow mo.

>>717258306
This, so much THIS
DOOM 2016 is a genre defining, bone shattering, slow burn, bone chilling, atmospheric, gritty video game.
When I picked up that funko pop and Doomguy fist bumped it, I felt so grounded!!
Here's my updoot fellow redditor!

>>717258306
>How dare my video game be a video game!
DOOM 2016 zealots in a nutshell
Might be the most insufferable fanbase I've ever seen

>>717258535
hidden collectibles that you go out of your way to find vs the entire fucking game. really nailed it man, you got me good

>>717258753
Yeah bro Eternal isn't a tryhard edgefest and is actually faithful to the OGs
I'm glad we could clear this out

I played Doom Eternal this year for the first time since 2020 and gotta be honest, it's not quite as good as i remember. It still starts off strong but by the time the last mission and the final boss come around, i was definitely ready for it to end. The formula for that game gets kinda tedious over the course of the campaign, and yeah the marauders don't help.

From what i've heard about this game i honestly think i might enjoy it more than Eternal but i really don't know if it's worth my time or money at the moment. And fuck gamepass.

>>717258614
we were talking about the atmosphere specifically here. 2016 MOGS eternal in that regard so easily. you can like marvel tier shit all you want and try to defend it by saying "but it's a video game" all you want. still shit. there are good and bad artistic choices. eternal made a ton of bad ones. Don't expect me to take it seriously when it goes from " THE DOOM SLAYER IS HERE TO FUCK DEMON ASS" to pew pew ping pow kaplow in a matter of seconds

wile e coyote ass shit

>>717259009
Then you are retarded because Eternal keeps on throwing new curveballs at you up until the penultimate mission, and then does it again in the DLCs.
Meanwhile Dark Ages doesn't introduce any new shit or enemy maybe 6 or 7 missions before the end, gets stale even faster than 2016, but at least 2016 was a rather short game.

>>717259107
Gameplay is what brings you back to a game, not your atmosphere poser shit
Fake gamer

>>717258924
>tryhard edgefest

It fucking is though but with a fat layer of cringe shit to boot. Marvel tier handling of everything. You are now fighting turbo satan that is also you. How not cringe at all.

2016 was at the very least consistent with itself and didn't tryhard at all. it had a horror aesthetic which fits the game very well.

>>717256821
They didn't even slightly

>says doom on the box
>look inside
>just a compilation of things balding millenials find "cool" and "badass", none of it related to Doom
Lmao

>>717259279

I was replying to initially >>717257012 turbo fag, so take the gameplay argument and shove it up your ass.

>>717249120
Remember when shills were trying to pretend this bitch is hot

>>717258306
>this glory kill from eternal is bad but not the goofy ones from 2016
ROFLMAO
>>717258753
>hidden collectibles that you go out of your way around a corner to find
ROFLMAO
>floating page bad but floating helmet and armor good
ROFLMAO
>>717259107
>post launch change for journos who got filtered by marauder
ROFLMAO

>>717237735
This was it for me. I couldn't swap weapons fast enough so I just stayed on 2 most of the game. Even in 2016 I naturally used more variety without resorting to quick swap combos. Using rockets on Mancubi and then turning to shotgun an imp, etc. In TDA I just used SSG and Chainshot for most of the game. There is no incentive to upgrade other weapons so there is no incentive to explore for secrets either. Lack of glory kills to speed up the game didn't even matter because they slowed it down in other ways.

>>717259838
1. post em bitch, I already posted two and can keep going

2. Yeah the effort required to find them does not change the fact that they are both optional and hidden

3. Yes because one needs to be visible for gameplay reasons, if it was on the ground so it would be more realistic it would be hard to spot in a hectic fight so they made a concession big fucking whoop. The moment gameplay isn't affected they choose consistency every time.

4. Still in the game though. If I stun a marauder in eternal right fucking now it will make bird chirping sounds like bugs bunny hit him on the head with a bat after kissing him on the mouth

>>717259659
I still think she is.

>>717260256
>keeps talking about being grounded but forgets to mention to funko collecting + silly goofy glory kills in 2016 while posting some obscure trivia about eternal's sound effects
you are a lying, subverting disingenuous jew, but worse yet a 2016 apologist and i'm on to you.

It has a parry.... a parry system in DOOM... a fucking parry system in DOOM game!

>>717259943
I prefer Doom 3 over TDA and Eternal. 2016 is closer to Doom 3's tone/atmosphere/flow, but lacked the darkness of the earliest games. Didn't need to go fully Doom 3 Duct Tape Mod, but I would have liked it if there were fewer areas with sterile white walls and floors with fluorescent lights. Hell was a bright orange place, less creepy and more Martian, so it felt like it didn't distinguish itself from the Mars levels. The entire NuDoom felt like Hell was less of an unknowable dimension and more of just... a place on a map.

>>717257012
Eternal was garbage for anyone but muhamjeets

>>717260440
They should just make a turn based dungeon crawler already

>>717260446
you could've summarized this by saying "I'm a contrarian and my pronouns are re/tard."

>>717260575
can u post a clip of u fighting the marauder

>>717257217
QFT

>>717260660
They already did.

>>717260346
I didn't forget to mention shit. I didn't bring it up because like I have said twice already they are optional. Don't like em, don't find em.

Post at least on glory kill then fag

>OBSCURE TRIVIA
when all of the fucking demons make vine boom tier sounds every time you interact with them. either you have no ears or are just being a fag just to be a fag

>pic rel gulps in your way

Remember 2016's cartoony pop on headshots?

>>717260772
>Don't like em, don't find em.
Huh, almost like you aren't required to use the scripted way to kill the caco that triggers the sound or use precision bolt, or play on the current patch.

Rules for thee but not for mee.

>>717260575
Post picture of your hand

>>717261038
>Don't interact with core game mechanics
>Go find a game patch that doesn't have that one specific goofy shit(ignore the rest)

turbo genius man, shit, why didn't I think of that?

>>717261203
>Don't interact with core game mechanics
Such as collecting items on the map?

>>717261280
useless items on the map, yes

>>717261325
>useless
just like combat shotgun?

>>717260749
Doom 3 is objectively better than TDA. Zoomer Doom is fine, I don't even hate it, I just compare how the old games I still play measure up. When I went from Doom 2 to Doom 3 I was AMAZED by the lighting and atmosphere feeling like what DOS Doom was trying to pull off. It had great sound and great movement. Running through the UAC with a chainsaw is still my favorite part of Doom, and I hate how what was considered just as iconic as the BFG is kind of treated like a reload button before being dropped entirely in TDA. Chainsaw-Only runs are still some of my favorite things to do in Doom. I still resent the new games for dropping this.

>>717240124
>>Slow movement speed

you literally didn't play the game, in dark ages you move at least 3 times faster than in eternal

>>717260339
Low test.

>>717261378
shit, I broke him.
my bad anon(AI?) didn't meat to overheat your tiny head

>>717261554
*mean

>>717261554
running out of copes already?

how is not using a useless weapon any different from searching the map for secrets then noticing you got a funko instead and choosing to walk away instead of picking it up

>>717261696
1. because the GULP mechanic makes the cacodemon enter kill animation which is 10x easier to kill compared to hosing him down with bullets.
2. because you can even do it with a normal grenade

you are fucking arguing my point even, if you want to avoid the goofy shit all together, well you can't because some are forced on you and two you have to handicap yourself in fifty different ways. in short interact with way less of the game to try and make it less shitty in the atmosphere department

>>717262014
>1. because the GULP mechanic makes the cacodemon enter kill animation which is 10x easier to kill compared to hosing him down with bullets.
so now you are switching your argument into deciding what is and isnt easier. ok, so now i ask do you think its easier to wait for caco to come close and combat shotgun a grenade a caco + glory kill or spam pb+ballista at it from range?
>2. because you can even do it with a normal grenade
so you think it's a good idea to save your suit grenade for dealing with a single caco that doesnt even kill it?

>you are fucking arguing my point even
yes. i am at will deciding what is and isnt core gameplay as you can see. i've decided that you using shoulder grenades to kill cacos is fucking retarded and i've decided that you waddling close to a caco vs. spamming it with pb+ballista from across the map is also retarded.

>>717259943
>>717260446
Using the sparks from the chainsaw as a light source would have been a better use of the ray traving meme than what we got.

>>717257012
Fortnite maps

>>717237619 (OP)
I love it and think its really fun and looks really cool.
Learn to use the difficulty sliders. Playing on default sucks.

>>717258306
>faggots complaining about realism in a doom game

>>717260446
>>717261426
>>717262280
We were so close... It should have been selling OLED displays not RTX...

>>717241716
>why does not attacking the enemy not kill it!?!?!?

>>717262258
Whether it is easier or better is completely irrelevant. It is a core game mechanic same with headshotting some of the grunts demons, same with stunning the fucking marauder so on and so forth. Hearing the cartoon sounds sucks dick, you know it, I know it, everyone fucking knows it. And it isn't just the sounds. There are animations, shittier demon designs compared to 2016 and so many other things. Try to argue the opposite till your fingers fall off for all I care.

>>717263370
>Whether it is easier or better is completely irrelevant
wait i thought you said secrets aren't a core game mechanic? what's going on? are we playing by your rules where you get to break them but i don't?

>>717260575
Ur bad @ arena shooters lmao

>>717263052
No, I complained about mickey and his clubhouse invading the game. Video gamey shit is fine in a Doom game, ping pang wahoo, less so. Unless you are a lobotomite of course, then I won't belittle your savant tastes.

>>717263481
>Bro just don't pick up the shit that is hidden if you hate it
>Bro just don't do (list of innumerable interactions where some of them even have strategical benefit) if you hate it

Exactly the same rules dude, your supreme intellect bested me yet again. Woe is me.

>>717263547
You talk like a fag who spends too much time online

>>717263691
>ebonics out of nowhere
oh, a nigger? perhaps a zoomer nigger? you know 2016 isn't an old game.

>>717237619 (OP)
Doom: The Dark Souls is a worse take on the series than even Call of Doom would have been

>>717262908
>Learn to use the difficulty sliders. Playing on default sucks.
I like the game too and hope that the DLC will fully exploit its potential, but the difficulty sliders shit is the most blatant example of cop out I've ever seen
Basically the devs telling us "fuck it, we ain't balancing this shit, figure it out yourself"
The only difficulty slider that's worth a shit anyway is the one where you can reduce the damage you make to enemies, because vanilla, weapons in this game are just too goddamn powerful and make fights too short

>>717239090
I've always thought that nu-Doom suffered from an incredibly bloated arsenal full of shit you never care to use.
This doesn't change significantly among any of them.

>>717265905
I agree. Its absolutely retarded that they weren't able to balance it themselves, making the player fiddle with settings to get it to playbright. But im glad they're there otherwise the game wouldn't play right.
Im also super looking forward to dlc.

>>717237619 (OP)
Where is the music?

>>717245193
>>caring about story in a doom game
Literally only Eternalfags say this but the simple fact is that both it and Dark Ages have high production value story cinematics that took time, money and PEOPLE to make and it's ultimately for retarded cringe nonsense you want to forget asap in both cases. I have no respect for the above dismissal to criticism because it discounts the possibility that the same story cinematics could've produced something that is at all amusing or pleasant. You know how Hayden increasingly seethes at the heckin Doomerino when he's destroying the argent filters? That's like 15 seconds total and more amusing than anything in Eternal or Dark Ages and I'm bored with Eternalfags constantly trying to sidestep this fact. Like nigger you love Eternal so why don't you want all of Eternal to be good? Eternal was a slightly divisive game and that means that you need to pretend everything in it is good to own the haters.

>>717266937
>t's ultimately for retarded cringe nonsense
Good.

>>717239737
Parrying belongs in the garbage. The most overrated design trend of the 2020s.

>>717237619 (OP)
>what went wrong?
You weren't able to fly like in the original (I'm not counting 2016 or 93)

>>717267804
Designslop belongs in the garbage. The most overrated garbage of the 2020s.

>>717265905
>Basically the devs telling us "fuck it, we ain't balancing this shit, figure it out yourself"
Why do you believe this? The devs have denied this in interviews. If they had included the same sliders in 2016 and Eternal, would that suddenly have meant that the devs hadn't bothered to balance those games?

>>717237619 (OP)
The Latams who pretended DE was a great game for real old Doom fans couldn't run DA on their 8 year old mid-range PCs.

>2016 is more believable
>doom
>believable
you just shoot demons to the face what more do you fags want?

>>717258306
Based. 2016 actually tried. Eternal was so fucking cringe with its
>”Doomh slayha is banned from the vas’e’ctomy dimension by the car’en’cuc’k council!”
And let’s not get into what they did whit Hayden.

>>717268061
It really is just like DMC. You just press your fancy combos on punchbags that do nothing to you.

>>717266937
Yeah, I know what you mean. They clearly made an effort for the in both Eternal and The Dark Ages yet it's all fucking rubbish but hurrrr it's just the story in a Doom game bro. 2016's story was still much better just because it had a competent story that told you what you were doing and why. If you're spending so much fucking time and money on your story that's the least it needs to accomplish, I think.

>>717268976
I want to shoot demons in their faces and feel like I'm ACTUALLY doing that instead of just playing through the slug ofa power fantasy of Hugo

>>717268252
Not him but nu-Doom was never that great at balance and it's mainly because of the preposterous volume of asinine progression mechanics. The more room the player has to redefine themselves, the less control the designers have over how the player goes through the combat encounters. So it has always been, so it shall always be.

>>717269141
>I don't play DMC

>>717269805
I don't play Eternal either. From the side both look like that.

>>717238958
The opposite. Eternal was a piece of shit that turned people away from doom

>>717269886
You fags make photo ID verification seem appealing. While we're at it, integrate it with your accounts and if you don't have at least 5% of the achievements in a game your post covers, you get some form of dunce cap.

>>717237735
the plasma gun being redundant the second you get the upgraded version the next level or the shield upgrade that lets you destroy energy shields is hilarious

>>717270073
>The opposite.
You are nonwhite.

>>717270420
Eh, not really. The first plasma gun that has a buildup phase is one of the highest dps weapons in the game. Having more of an issue thinking why you think the worse gun is actually making the better redundant.

>>717270221
I said I'm only commenting the videos. Never pretended to be an expert in either of them, I only beat DMC3 once back when it was released on PC, and finished 2016 once (it was shit). But on these videos it always looks like as long as you click your combo right, there's zero threat from regular enemies.

>>717259943
>I couldn't swap weapons fast enough so I just stayed on 2 most of the game
ADHD zoomers will write this with a serious face

>>717237619 (OP)
Nothing, it's a fun relaxing game much better than Eternal. It's not as good as 2016 but I blame that more than anything on Eternal plot being still attached to it.

Also really like giving John Doom a Stinger.

>>717270738
I suppose professional sports is easy as well, all you have to do is kick the ball into the goal and when you do it right the opponents can't do anything to stop you.

>>717270869
Well in professional football/soccer enemies are always much more aggressive, they're not standing in one place waiting for you to outplay them.

>>717237619 (OP)
Chinese and Indian increased internet access

>>717271035
Ehhhhh. I think they are. Not much they can do when they are properly being marked by teammates, so it looks like your shooter is just walking thru and kicking it in.

>>717245230
Still better than Eternal's.

>>717271370
I bet you love open world slop

>>717237619 (OP)
It's not even bad. It's just fucking boring. The enemy design is bland. Most of the guns are bland. The music is SHIT. The story is fucking lame. The level design is basic as shit to accommodate 2D parry gameplay. You have a giant robot to pilot and a fucking dragon to fly around on and instead of these being highlights they're the worst part of the game. Whatever soul this game had got sucked out completely by Microsoft. I can finish shit games through sheer spite. I dropped this one, the only DOOM game I ever dropped, because it was fucking boring.

>>717270717
I used the second one more because of the range. But I'll probably try using the accelerator more for the DLC.

>>717271508
>crying about the 5min setpiece levels
LMAO i bet you also cried about eternal's parkour or simon says or some other bullshit all the filtered people cried about

>>717271443
Not really, no.

>>717260440
them making nightmare basically slow motion mode without modifiers has done so much damage to this game's credibility.

>>717272245
TDA maps are open world coded, so you already admitted it.

>>717237619 (OP)
Turns out that slow plodding gameplay is NOT good. Who could have imagined?

>>717272087
Eternal is my favorite FPS. Yeah I'm gonna complain time was wasted on dogshit 'set piece levels' when the rest of the game isn't good either. Have fun arguing with whatever schizophrenic strawman you've made up your mind about who I am since you've resorted to trying to find flaws in anyone with criticism since you can't refute the criticism.

Nothing? It was fine.

>>717272352
>TDA maps are open world coded
This is a very dumb cunt thing to say, dumb cunt. They're less linear than Eternal's maps, but then so is classic Doom. TDA's maps really aren't that big, and a number of them are still pretty linear anyway. TDA is just more willing to let combat happen outside of obligatory jungle gyms.

>>717272548
>refute my dumb criticisms or i win
oh what a big brain scenario you crafted for yourself big boy

>>717272726
>calls the open world slop better than eternal's carefully paced linear design while thinking he's actually got the upper hand and can call people dumb
goddamn, i wish you had posted a grey male model as well then i'd know you really won this argument

>>717269026
DOOM 2016 is literally the game that started the DOOMSLAYAH shit you love to hate with the codex and the slayer testaments in Hell
>AND IN THE FIRST AGE, DOOMSLAYA PISSED AND FARDED HIS PANTS
Fuck you revisionist faggots.

>>717237619 (OP)
It gave the “who asked for this?” vibe

On his latest stream, Hugo showed a concept art of Dark Ages' DLC
Frozen Hell level, seems cool

>muh parry
normies don't care about that. what's the actual reason?

>>717274107
70-80 bucks depending on which continent you live in, game requires a RT capable GPU on PC, and the Microsoft retards as always, shot themselves in the foot by putting this game day one on the Goypass (literally the worst thing that happened to vidya studios in recent years, you will never sell shit with this Netflix garbage)

>>717273076
>TDA
>open world
I'm calling you a dumb cunt because you are in fact one dumb cunt.

>>717241849
>>717253014
>>717263262
>the game is slow
>UM NO CHUDDIE ITS NOT
>ok here's a webm showing its slow
>UMMM NO YOU ARE LIKE UMMMM SUPPOSED TO DO OTHER THINGS WHILE UHHHH PARRYING AND UHHHH ITS JUST NOT OKAY :(((((((

>>717273968
i hope they crank up the difficulty for the DLC a shitload just like with TAG1.

>>717274514
>ok here's a webm showing its slow
where?

>>717274552
What would it matter? You can just adjust the difficulty sliders yourself

>>717274552
I think it's the plan
When Quakecon happens in a few days, the new update will drop for Dark Ages, it will rebalance encounters on the mid to end game levels, with more enemies
And they're also gonna make it harder to face some enemies, for instance you won't be able to parry the Mancubus ground stomp anymore, shit like that
Makes me think that they should have let this game bake in the oven a little bit more, I remember how Eternal was supposed to release in 2018, then it got pushed back to 2020, this turned out great for the game and overall polish

>>717274510
the maps are open world slop, and you tried to call them better than linear design maps, so no, you're not getting out of this one

>>717274804
Incorrect.

>>717274743
it needs more than that. after my 3 playthrus i want big nerfs for dreadmace and melee cooldown regen overall, impaler, huge nerfs for max upgraded shield runes overall. enemy aggression buffs, parry timing nerfs, and the option hugo talked about where you could disable the parry slowmo would be a good starting point.

>>717275056
the parry slowmo slider is definitely coming in this next update

>>717274804
How so?

>>717274905
>>717275169

>>717274552
That's what the plan has been. The DLC and master levels will be the Eternal to the base game's 2016.

>>717274552
https://youtu.be/vGVFk11VHw4?t=2776

>>717260440
this shit right here op. read it over and over until it sinks in

>>717275816
i hope its hard like tag1. it was fun coming back to eternal to play the dlc and having to re learn how to play while the maps were also x2 harder than base campaign as baseline.

so its all Hugo's fault then?

>>717263521
>arena shooters
arena shooters are multiplayer games like quake 3
there is no real multiplayer mode in doom eternal

>>717260440
I don't understand why retarded nu-devs keep trying to force boss fights in FPS games. Maybe the best in Doom is the classic Cyberdemon and that's only because he can be used creatively in tandem with other enemies.

>>717277239
FPS genres exists for 30+ years, and people still have no idea how to make actually good interesting bosses. No matter if it's classic or modern, gameplay-oriented or movieslop, exploration or arena-slop, every first person shooter has shitty boss fights.

>>717277513
genre*

>>717271035
That pain elemental just threw a lost soul. They are locked in place during the attack animation. The second one doesn't do anything because it is faltered from the ssg blast. The falter failed on the first one which is why it was able to attack. Faltering is strong and can prevent enemies from moving or doing anything, but you have to keep in mind that in Doom you are fighting multiple enemies, so you won't be able to falter them all the time.