Thread 717241280

do you hate how ratchet has been acting in the recent games?

Why did they Pixarify or Dreamworks downgrade him? To make him more digestible to kids and furfags?

>>717241280 (OP)
He Fucks Rivet

>>717241510
who is the best for our boy?

>>717241280 (OP)
Yes, the last time Ratchet was okay was ACIT.

Ever since the PS3 era, they've recycled the same plot over and over. The plot of Ratchet having the chance to see the lombaxes but choosing not to so he can stay with his real friends and save the universe (not really a choice, IMO). I wish they'd stop. PS2 Ratchet never had this longing to belong with his people. He didn't give a shit when he saw a female lombax in Going Commando.

>>717241280 (OP)
R&C Deadlocked isn't the same tone as the first games.

>>717242002
Blame "real" writers for being such faggots

>>717242124
Actually it kinda is.

>>717242414
It was fine the first time, and I guess the 2nd time. But they do need to move on to something new.

Also, stop including so many autopilot weapons that play the game for you. Rift Apart had so many that it made every boss fight a loop of deploying 4 autopilot weapons before you switch to a manual weapon.

>>717241280 (OP)
It doesn't really bother me, no. I always found it a bit annoying he kept acting like a teen after I'd grown up.

>Next R&C isn't coming until 2029
FUUUUUUUCK the Spiderman games.

>>717243193
its just 4 years ratchetbros, we can make it

Can you play the PS3 Ratchet games at 60fps on PC?

>>717243045
But that's the opposite. Current Ratchet is a mascot for kids. Old Ratchet used to be interesting even for older people.

People say his personality got sanded down after 1, which is true, but he still had some edge left in him.
Also, the games NEED TO STOP FUCKING USING DR. NEFARIOUS

>>717243353
Yeah. I think I used the PS3 emulator to play the remastered PS2 games, as well.

Juanita.

>>717243523
This, I feel like both him and Qwark need to be retired at this point. Qwark because his original VA has stopped playing him and honestly they've run out of things to do with him and Dr. Nefarious because he's lost most of what made him funny or likeable.

>>717242124
Ratchet 1 arguably has a darker tone, Ratchet hates Clank for a solid third of the game, the closest we get to a scene like Dallas encouraging Ratchet in the first game is the helpdesk lady being revealed to have been helping them the whole time, we straight up don't get any scene like all the heroes thanking Ratchet for saving their lives and Ratchet himself also just has a harder time because he's selfish, inexperienced, untrained, dirt poor and down on his luck, it gets to the point that Clank has to strongarm him into helping others.

>>717241280 (OP)
>why do different artists interpret a character differently?

>>717243640
Why would an inventor consciously decide to give a robot breasts, a mole, an hourglass figure and seductive eyes?

>>717241280 (OP)
Are you really cherry picking Dead Lock as if that's how he always acts?
If anything, that box art portrays him as out of character.

>>717243985
It's called the inventor was making a hotbot. One of the types of robots you will find in the R&C universe. They usually are feminine and human-looking.

>>717241280 (OP)
all the old asshole edge characters were turned into emasculated goofballs, in every medium
>>717241510
fuck no he doesnt lol

>>717241280 (OP)
playing the first one right now, the character controls like a tank

>>717244794
Courtney Gears is actually one of the more competent villains and kinda threatening

>>717245017
Yeah, that's one of the reasons why I like her. I'm still salty we didn't get an alt version of her in Rift Apart since she was one of Nefarious's allies, and despite going to a world where he won, we don't get to see a version of her or a new version of her amazing song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQFvUQA4p4U

>>717244826
Yes he does lol

>>717243498
Opposite for me. Original became cringe. New because not-cringe, but no personality.

>>717241280 (OP)
ratchet was likeable enough in the first 3 games.

he was boring after that though

I'm downloading Tools of Destruction. Ripped a Fart is my favourite.

>>717243353
yes, they run quite well, there's a patch for Nexus even

>>717246726
>Tools
>Crack
>Nexus
>Booty
Is that 'em all? I'm not playing the co-op one

>>717246753
yeah

>>717246404
I think you're lame

>>717247005
I'm the strong, goofy type

>>717241280 (OP)
Not playing this slop so I'm all good ratchet PS2 games are the only ones that count

>>717247026
You never had the making of a lombax connoisseur.

>>717243941
it's not just about slightly different artistic depictions. none of these versions of Mickey compromise or really change his character at all. Ratchet was completely bastardized and sanitized.

>>717241280 (OP)
yes, he should be kind of an asshole

>>717241280 (OP)
...i have yet to play a ratchet and clank game i didnt have fun with and i played all mainline ones

if you somehow manage to be so cynical and up your own ass with negativity and contrarianism to the point you fucking hate something as pure fun and inoffensive and pure gamplay happy as ratchet and clank you might actually fucked

>>717241280 (OP)
They fucked him up in back in Going Commando.

>>717247770
I only game after Deadlocked I had was in Crack in Time, but good for you.

>>717248013
I can excuse going commando because that's after he had his arc in 1, a character change like that isn't so egregious.

>>717247770
Imagine having taste! The shock!

do people seriously think ps2 ratchet was anything like the deadlocked boxart

deadlocked itself wasn’t even like it’s boxart

>>717249860
Yeah it wasn't edgy, but it was cynical. There was a little bit of bite to it that got lost over time.

>>717250115
epic hollywood writers afraid of attacking their target audience

>>717251165
Ratchet is not necessarily a writer's mouthpiece. He and clank represent two differing viewpoints.

Its still more fun with ratchet as an actual blue collar guy that is best as physical stuff while having zero charisma and intellectual acumen

I only played the first one on PS2 back in the day. Recently downloaded 1, 2 and 3 for the emulator but I'm stuck at the first game on the second hoverboard race with the robots and rockets. Any tips?

>>717251793
Cut the inside as much as possible, use the skid mcmarks tricks to get a speed boost when you do a jump.
Get the shortcut on a new lap if needed.

>>717241280 (OP)
Its like they're trying to make him as uncool as possible to own da chudz and dudebros.
And the Marvelification of the soundtrack is driving me up the fucking wall

>>717241280 (OP)
>>>Uses Deadlock the single darkest entry (and a fucking SPIN OFF) in the series tone-wise as the primary example of Ratchet's character in the original series
>>>Lampoons Ratchets characterization in more recent games as "goofy Pixar shit" even though it's closer to his actual characterization in the original trilogy than Deadlocked was

Genuinely, thoroughly disingenuous thread. You didn't play the games.

>>717252106
>even though it's closer to his actual characterization in the original trilogy than Deadlocked was
Fuck off

>>717252106
What are you talking about?
Ratchet was a dick in the original trilogy, especially in the first game (they had to tone it down for the sequels)

>>717252106
What the fuck are you talking about? Ratchet in Deadlocked isn't that much different than how he was in GC or UYA.

>>717251994
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kID6owNLmyQ
Posting R&C music that will never come back.

>>717242924
>It was fine the first time
No it wasn't. Making your game cringe and gay is a foreverial death sentence. You can get away with cringe if it's synthesized with cool or kino or something, but NEVER cringe and gay.

>>717250115
>>717251790
>He and clank represent two differing viewpoints.
This is what pisses me off a ton, by having Ratchet geek out over nerdy shit you remove Clank's input and their dynamic.
>I like him.
It's not much, but it's Clank sharing his first impression of Al with Ratchet as he has with him and it's an example of Clank seeing good in everyone whereas Ratchet is a lot more cynical and just sees a nerd making a lame joke.

>>717252513
The 2nd act lowpoint in the original is better, because you get Ratchet and Clank doing different goals that just so happen to line up, which makes Ratchet's apology to Clank feel a lot more genuine.
As is in the remake, the low point is Ratchet giving up because Qwark is a sell out. You could do something with that, but they did fuck all.

>>717252106
I see the furry slurpers are still around

>>717252406
It was okay in ACIT because it fit the theme, it wasn't just Ratchet wanting to see his gay family again but it was Azimuth wanting to fix his mistakes
other than that yes it was always trash, Future saga is written like shit, PS2 games are kings

>>717249860
Why are you so disingenuous? A single look is enough to tell what's wrong with nu Ratchet

Nothing wrong with being happy.

>>717252882
He used to have personality https://youtu.be/GLjcxVeNb3I?t=2039

>>717252825
It was one of the first victims of retroactive enshittification. After Mass Effect pioneered the "game as a middle finger" They're still dragging up franchises to ruin in this way.

https://streamable.com/u2pzdz

>people will still argue NuRatchet isn't a giant middle finger and betrayal of the entire series

>>717245228
sad

>>717252882
Yes there is. The more wisdom you give a charcter, the less happy he is going to be as a result of interacting with the constant suffering around him. The fact that he's such a happy cuck is a lobotomy - and very intentional. Infantilization is another "fuck you" moment for the investors (let's be real on who calls the shots). They want to see beauty eliminated. That's simultaneously why all thr characters are so ugly these days. Feminine men. Masculine women. It's all connected in creating a miserable zeitgeist for the good natured man to experience. Not unlike crawling through broken glass.

>>717253149
>series about anticonsoomerism
>becomes a consoomer icon
holy shit it just fucking died then got necroed by the enemy

>>717252172
>they had to tone it down
Ratchet was going to soften up regardless of what the feedback was, it's just the trajectory of his character, even before he offers to fix Clank's arm he changed his usual attitude.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebc_Bc3G6jg
If Ratchet was like how he was before Qwark betrayed him, he would've gotten annoyed at the salesman for not understanding him or made fun of him for his disheveled appearance.

>>717251994
Soundtrack was fire. Ratchet 1 especially

>>717253480
Yes, people vastly overstate how "mean" Ratchet was in 1. He's slightly adjusted in 2/3 but still in line with his original character.

>>717242124
Deadlocked is a perfect end point for Ratchet's character arc, and is also a pretty great culmination of the way the series parodied capitalism and consumerism.
The only thing that comes close since was when the fucking remake was missing scenes that you needed to watch the movie to see, and that was entirely unintentional.

>>717241280 (OP)
The fate of all bing bing wahoo.

>>717253480
>>717253575
But they did tone down his standoffish personality for GC due to player feedback

>>717254192
Very slightly. His personality isn't very different from how he is at the end of 1. Slightly, but not that much.

>>717254242
That's what I'm saying. He was a dick in the original trilogy

>>717250115
Repulsive

No. I think he's just at a different point in his life

>>717245832
The only "confirmation" she's a dyke was a tweet from the voice actor, who is your average bluehair type woke freak

>>717254405
Yes, he's at the "retcon and sanitized" point of his life as a brand

>>717243523
at the very least don't just randomly send the butler on vacation, it's the only thing that makes nefarious bearable

>>717254456
There's no reason for him to act like he did in RC1 or Deadlocked. It's not my fault if editorial meddling ruins the transition

>>717254535
We don't need him to act like in RC1, he's the same character in 2, 3 and Deadlocked. Stop being a retard, you know exactly what I'm talking about.

https://youtu.be/GLjcxVeNb3I?t=2039

You would literally NEVER see him do this nowadays. He spends the entire game apologizing and telling people they're great and heckin valid. This is ridiculous.

He doesn't have to be a dick, he just has to have a personality. He got lobotomized because they think the kids want inoffensive plushies rather than characters.

>>717254535
He could at least act like he did in GC and UYA

>>717254614
No I didn't. Stop being a retard and assuming everyone has a simple readable mind like your own. Once again blame corporate meddling not me

>>717254724
If you remember GC or UYA even SLIGHTLY you'd know he's very different in this than he is in the Future saga (bland saga) and he's even more different in Rift Apart/16 (the plushy arc)

how different is new ratchet from his more easygoing goofball persona in going commando and up your arsenal compared to 1? does he actually act that different or is it just the character model being weirdly childlike.

>>717254796
>Future saga (bland saga)
god, it really was fucking bland, wasnt it?
For years I just couldnt put my finger on it, why did I like 1-3 but dislike 4/5? (I think crack in time is hit or miss, really high highs but still has the issues I had with the other future games too so, eh)

even now I couldnt really explain it fully without using some vague language about feeling.
its probably one of the biggest examples of "soul" ive actually encountered.
The only part about games like QfB was the effort some of the ghost pirates put in, the game is shockingly bad but at least the robot VAs had a good time.

Theyre just dull, lacking that soul. The new saga and reboot is just clearly devoid of it, and its clear this is not the same devs.

>>717255023
Even ACIT, the "good" one (I really like it) is kind of devoid of soul in a lot of ways. You get to these "fongoid" NPCs without any distinctive characteristics, they're just "the alien guys". Clank is helped by a silly Pixar bot. You're fighting generic gladiator race, and trying to stop Nefarious from "making the villains win forever". There's that guy lurking around, Lord Vorselon, who's probably the best definition of "generic" if you ever needed one.

It's still a great game because mechanically and visually it goes FAR and it's impressive and has that sense of scale... but holy shit most of it is hit with the same issues ToD has

>>717241280 (OP)
>do you hate how ratchet has been acting in the recent games?

With a burning passion, yes.

How old are you people?

>>717250115
This image pretty much summs it up. Fuck current Insomniac, fuck Reddit devs

Ratchet gladiator sucks dick. Of course amuttians like it though

>>717255579
what's it to you friend(not friend)?

>>717242124
Deadlocked is a on the surface darker tone game that fools your memory into thinking it was edgier than it was.
In reality its a super goody shooter with constant quips and every cutscene is nonstop jokes

>>717250194
All the classic games biting cynical satire is just capitalism bad for kids
The first games big villain was just a ceo

>>717256956
and that is bad why?

>>717255275
yeah, I originally thought the time hopping was so fucking cool. but then on a replay I can think of maybe one level where it was used to do something actually interesting beyond being a setpiece

I was really hoping for some ratchet and clank coop stuff too where clank is involved in making rifts for ratchet to use in the levels, instead of it being two separated gameplay segments, but then I guess the loading would be an issue. Wanted to basically hotswap to clank solving some puzzle to make a time hole for ratchet to exploit, or some gun that changes based on time era etc

eh either way I also wish they had RC2s 3D space stuff expanded rather than petri dish stuff, but, I did like having SOME space stuff and moon exploration content

heres hoping we get HAVEN (old PS2 version of no mans sky) made into an R+C game with full space exploration like 2 kind of hinted at.
>>717256430
nah, outdated opinion.
Gamingbrit told everyone its actually good for the reasons you like 3, and 3 is bad for the reasons you hate gladiator, so the narrative swapped. Gladiator is amazing now
Best OST after RC1

>>717257000
he didnt say it was bad retard
I know zoomers fail school regularly but if you can read, he was responding to the idea deadlocked, aka gladiator, wasnt edgy in a thread talking about it with the idea that the prior games werent deep either, and their satire is little more that muh capitalism bad
which is true.

he never said if he thought it was good or bad

>>717257059
Idk who gamingbrit is nor ever played 3 but i always liked deadlock. Its a perfectly fine and fun shooter
Its not an edgy or mature game though haha

>>717257163
His tone is clearly dismissive, retard

>>717257163
"x for kids"
yeah I'm pretty sure he did you melanated devil you

>>717257214
since its an eceleb, posting them is always going to get the usual replies

but to be fair hes actually pretty spot on with whatever his analysis of R+C is, and I guarantee you hes the #1 reason most people finally got why the future trilogy felt bad compared to the OG one.
TheGamingBritShow, id recommend actually watching the video on gladiator, even though you just said you already liked it, it made most people realise how good it actually was, and likewise made them realise 3 was a rush job that shouldnt get a pass for the same shit people gave gladiator just because of nostalgia.

3 is still a good game, has that classic soul, but its rough as fuck around the edges. You should play it IMO

>>717257272
>His tone
what are you, a woman?

>>717257375
3 still beats 2 imo

>>717257214
Watch "how ratchet lost its edge". It's good

For me I believe they jumped the gun right after the first game. Ratchet was just a mechanic who had some dreams of doing something better but got roped into saving the Solana galaxy because he realised no one really had the balls to step up to Drek. I'm sure it was probably in character for him to investigate the megacorp debacle as an excuse to get off his ass and go exploring again but the whole 'the galaxy needs your help!' trope was already getting tiring by UYA

>>717257371
it was LITERALLY for kids, anon?
Thats what the target audience was, kids.

And thats okay, kids deserve good content too.

And, even if he did dismiss 1~3 as bad satire, so what? Hes not wrong. The satire isnt as deep as people pretend - its just it was written in a british ecosystem and most mutts arent exposed to that so they think surface level satire, wit, and sarcasm are deep.

>>717257375
No, just able to read.

>>717257371
That’s what it is though? Its one big cartoon with nonstop jokes about how absurd ultra capitalists are

>>717257498
>even if he did dismiss 1~3 as bad satire, so what
He would be wrong. 1-3 has good satire, that plays its role perfectly. It builds the story, characterizes the world and also deliver some funny enjoyable comment on real life stuff. You might agree or not on the "level of quality" it has but it was infinitely more valuable than anything the post PS2 games came up with, simple as.

>>717257580
>it was LITERALLY for kids, anon?
>That’s what it is though?
It was meant for kids-teenagers but wasn't too stupid for anyone older to enjoy. Rift Apart and 2016 would make anyone older than 10 cringe and possibly even younger people would react like this.

>>717241952
anyone but Rivet, because she is MINE

>>717257438
>3 still beats 2 imo
id probably agree, 2 has more content and feels more complete, but 3 has higher highs and more fun factor
for me theyre about the same for different reasons but id be more likely to pick 3 over 2 if I had to. 2 Had a lot of good ideas id wish they flesh out, like space combat

>>717257478
>the whole 'the galaxy needs your help!' trope was already getting tiring by UYA
UYA at least used Veldin invasion to hook him in. After that it was a lot of fanservice but funny one so why not.

>>717256956
>>717257580
>>717257498
You're missing the point of the first message
>it wasn't a cynical biting satire
Nobody claimed Ratchet was some morally gray indepth comment on complex matters. That's not what it set out to do in the first place. But you'd have to be absolutely blind to not see that the characters were a lot more selfish and the tone more cynical. Random NPCs weren't evil but they were either eccentric in a way that we don't see nowadays or dicks. You'd save one and he'd still make you pay. Qwark Force would be goofing off while you were doing the hard work then stealing the credit at the end.

>>717241280 (OP)
I tried play 2016 Ratchet and clank for the first time this year and they took out the plumbers crack joke, wtf?

>>717257656
good thing I never played RA then
IIRC I ignored it, as it was fucking expensive, like £50, and was only 16 hours long or something like that, topped with no credible "ratchet is back!" rhetoric at the time

>>717257498
you are so fucking retarded you are conflating two different things. the phrase "for kids" in the context that was used was meant as surface level and/or of low quality, not to point out what the target audience of the game is. If I say fight club is anarchism for kids it has nothing to do with the target audience as a phrase. I am disparaging the movie.

Nobody pretends the satire in the first three games is deep, merely that it was there and then they removed it. I haven't seen anyone describe it they way you think people do.

I always wanted to try uya multiplayer mode. Wish the ps2 has its network port built in, needing the one adapter insured almost nobody had it

>>717257872
Speaking of the plumber, what the fuck did they do to him?

>>717241280 (OP)
I stopped playing after the PS3 games desu. It was already god awful in those. It went from a Cartoon Network style sarcasm cartoon to an altruistic Disney Channel affair with "for the whole family" humor.
Then they just went full dreamworks.
The whole appeal of Ratchet on PS2 was that it was a cartoon satire about corporate culture. The plot of the first game vs the remake is the best example.
>Ratchet 1
>Evil chairman of megacorporation taking apart planets because his own is dying
>The "Galactic Hero" wants help to stop him
>You meet Galactic Hero, and he's just an A-list celebrity working for the Chairman
>The chairman invented the problem that caused his planet to die to make business out of ruining other planets.
The whole time Clank is a gullible, inexperienced NPC bot that doesn't yet understand why Ratchet is so jaded. The second Ratchet discovers the Galactic Hero was just a fucking celebrity, he hates his guts and wants to kick his ass for humilating him. This causes him and Clank to become mean to each other, but then they realize the Chairman is still the reason they're both miserable, and kick his ass instead.
>The remake
>Ratchet is a fanboy of the Galactic Hero. He's a literal MCU drone like (You), the zoomer
>Clank has no personality
>The Chairman is voiced by an A-list celebrity to make him funny and appealing
>Everything is just jokes and loud voices
>The Chairman is just a generic evil villain dude
>Gets replaced by Nerfarious so Ratchet, Clank and Qwark can take out an EVIL ENEMY together.

It's just completely generic at that point. It isn't a "new" thing that Ratchet's entire writing and uinverse shit the bed. The PS2 game's writers already left during Tools of Destruction, which is when some Libtard named "TJ Fixman" entered the fray. That's when the stories started believing self-seriously in themselves with unfunny sidekicks Cronk & Zephyr.

They completely disney-channel'd it.

>>717257887
RA is the most soulless corporate Ratchet to date maybe behind 2016 in that regard but very close either way.

It's the equivalent of that artstyle you see in corporate powerpoint presentations. No edge whatsoever, everything needs to be perfectly consensual and smiley at all times, no humanity is allowed to persist there

>>717257914
People really do think the satire was deep in those games though. They do whole video essays to break down incredibly simple jokes with the same punchline 40 times.
I can’t believe it either but it’s true. Most people are stupid

>>717257969
People are still playing UYA multiplayer through emulators, though Deadlocked is the more played one.

>>717244794
death to squishies!

>>717258041
>People really do think the satire was deep in those games though. They do whole video essays to break down incredibly simple jokes with the same punchline 40 times.
Prove it. I haven't seen anyone claim it was LE DEEPEST SATIRE. It was never meant to be Metal Gear Solid 2 and literally everyone knows it.

A video like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kD_QhYgIA4 isn't claiming this is MGS2, it's highlighting very clear and EXPLICIT points of that satire and showing what it adds to the story, the universe and the themes.

There are more people denying the existence of this satire than people who would call it deep. You're dishonest af

>>717254301
He was a dick to everyone for most of 1 because that was his character arc, at the start of it he was irritable and self-interested, at the end of it he's become selfless and he reserves his anger for people that actually deserve it.

>>717254456
Why do they never allow a 'classic' costume option?

>>717258031
I think ACIT had some decent points writing wise, would you disagree?

>>717258041
The only thing fans of edge-Ratchet miss is that 2000s was big on edgy and self-deprecatingly unaware corpo-satire jokes.
Ratchet was leaning into a norm when it was made. But ultimately it doesn't change that the sarcasm and anti-corporate-culture vibes are way more funny than the slop they made afterwards.

>>717258242
My problem with ACIT is the baggage it carries from the other future games and being the catalyst of bringing back Nefarious for every fucking game.

>>717258041
>People really do think the satire was deep in those games though
>Video essayists

you got me there man, what can I say

Post your favorite track from these games
https://youtu.be/DoxunbBlv4w?si=dISP6jX69cfffG-z

I miss shooters just having a bunch of shit it in for no reason
You play a 6th gen shooters, theirs vehicles, platforming, upgrade systems, new character moves, fucking usually a random ass racing tournament part, several collectables, dozens of characters, giant levels, dozens of environments.
You play a 7th gen shooters and all you have is a turrent section in Samey urban environments with like 3 named characters making up the whole plot
Playing jak 2 and the randc games is such a pallet cleanser

>>717258247
It's an issue on multiple fronts actually.

>Ratchet's character being assassinated
>Comedy and jokes being destroyed because nothing can be too subversive or edgy, everything has to be Pixar bland safe
>Themes went to shit and everything is uninspired "save the universe!!" hero shit without any better hooks than this
>Betrayal of the series because of how much they force it to become a safe brand
>Designs went to shit, Ratchet doesn't look cool at all anymore, always wear this gay shirt they put on him to "standardize" him
>Stale gameplay that didn't evolve since 2/3

The PS2 trilogy unironically experimented a lot more than any of the shit that came after.

>>717257985
lmao looks retarded

>>717258365
I already posted Blarg Depot (Gaspar) so... here is number 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPMr9OcTGG8

>>717253286
Reminds me of Young Conker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvPN_zdszEg&t=2s&pp=ygUMeW91bmcgY29ua2Vy

>>717258519
and the hand holding anon. when I played 2016 every fucking time there was a puzzle designed for lobotomized 4year olds the first thing they did was fucking tell you how to solve it. Almost threw my ps4 out the window

>>717257985
perfect example of writing team not knowing what the FUCK they're doing and just grabbing onto whatever they can find like vultures

>yes we have that plumber NPC from the earlier game... he was kind of iconic because of his witty writing and dialogues...
>let's turn him into meme god

>>717258297
That's not really ACIT's fault, ToD ended on the cliffhanger that Clank had been kidnapped, you can't just pretend that didn't happen and as for Nefarious I think it's pretty obvious with the symbolism of his space station sharing his injuries like a cracked dome and a droopy eye that he wasn't meant to survive if it blew up.

>>717242124
Deadlocked is just as tongue in cheek as the rest of the early games. The edgiest part of the game is the box art.

We can agree the Dreadzone armours are aesthetic as fuck?

>>717258519
I think character design is the most underrated part of game design. People want to look cool almost above anything else to the point people think deadlock is more mature or darker just from how characters looks.
Deadlock is pretty much like every other rachet game before it. The tone is almost the exact same but just putting rachet in cool power armor and an angry scowl does wonders.
Americans were correct in making kirby angry on box art
The real downfall of gaming is removing the 5% of sexual appeal they and before and making every character a happy go lucky braindead robot that just smiles in cutscenes

Deadlocked was funny

https://youtu.be/SCFKaVPnIeg?t=208
https://youtu.be/SCFKaVPnIeg?t=649
https://youtu.be/SCFKaVPnIeg?t=1209

>>717258519
The problem is that Pixar has good humor but Ratchet doesn't. It isn't Pixar, it's "Disney Channel" writing.

>Breaks the balance of your game
>While also being fun as fuck
First weapon I consistently get to level 99 when making a new save, followed closely by the leviathan flail.

It doesn't deserve the hate.

>>717258389
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb7TS5vqVJY
love the opening sounds on this one
>>717258719
Deadlocked really was edgy in the best possible way wasn't it? The pointy level architecture and 'we fucked up this planet for the lolz' subplot works really well.

Only way to play this game is on real hardware. You’re fps dipping to single digit numbers and your ps2 fan speeding up every time you explode an entire room is part of the experience

>>717258242
A Crack In Time is exactly as bland and safe as Tools of Destruction. In fact, Quest For Booty and Nexus are the only post-PS2 games that I kinda vibed with. Crack In Time is the culmination in terms of game-design and gameplay ambition. It's great in that sense, but the writing is done by the same people and the story development is exactly as straight-laced as before. The problem is that they actually believe in their own canon, whereas the PS2 games know everything is silly and retarded, and they intentionally played into "not taking it that seriously" but whilist developing the characters to be funny and likeable.

it's a tone problem. So the short answer is no. ACIT is just more slop.

>>717258242
ACiT is the best of the nu-Ratchet era precisely because it doesn't try to lean too hard on the PS2 games.
The big problem with the whole Ratchet series post-PS2 isn't actually that they started taking themselves too seriously, it's that they were stuck juggling the serious subject matter of the story while still wanting to maintain that brand of juvenile humor the series is known for.
It created a crazy amount of tonal dissonance that ruined a lot of the potential those stories had, A Crack in Time is basically the only time the series has ever let the drama speak for itself without feeling the need to undercut everything with jokes - obviously it still has jokes especially with Qwark and Nefarious but it knows how to dial it back.
Just compare these two pretty similar scenes and look at how much better the ACiT one is executed.
https://youtu.be/aLEsbBH9gRU
https://youtu.be/ShgTo9_cP9Y

>>717259190
THIS is a weapon that doesn't deserve the hate it gets. Sure, it's "another rapid fire weapon except it has a short projectile arc", but with the lock on mod it shreds most enemies in a pinch.

>>717259257
I share your criticism but I think ACIT had a scale big enough to posture as a big space adventure without it feeling too fake unlike ToD, 16, RA.

They had the balls to "kill" Ratchet https://youtu.be/rQ0xO6702Kg?t=4964

And the final speech of the ending was also nice.

>>717259347
Also this >>717259302
ACIT took itself seriously while having enough gravitas and weight. Clank's shitty retconned father "dies", and there's this looming sense that you can never truly reunite with Clank.

>>717258191
yeah but its not really well done, or realistic
theres no need for him to be THAT much of a dick to people, I would understand a reservation of being pulled on an adventure, or even being annoyed at clank for dragging him around
but he gets weirdly agro on clank when he falls for a trap even ratchet didnt fully see coming, and is a dick to random folk just for the sake of it.

I wouldve just done a "why the fuck should I be the one doing this, im just a dude who tinkers with ships" but still nod the head to the world youre in being in danger.

on a replay it comes off as really fucking weird, like clank personally hurt him or something. Maybe if ratchets backstory was being successful but then was buttfucked by gagetron and the capitalism so that we at least understand why hes so fucking cynical. but nothing of the sort is ever said

>>717259302
>this entire cutscene
>the gay soundtrack and sound effects
>complete lack of soul and identity
>Ratchet's personality

>>717258495
yeah, games used to feel like games.
now they feel like products

everything has to be sanitised and accessible.

>>717259302
>>717259541
Man, nu-ratchet looks so awkward in the deadlocked armour.

>>717259539
Replay it, all of Ratchet's "dick" moments are "Drek? Not my problem, I'll just kill this piece of shit Qwark", Clank going "nooo you have to stop Drek" and Ratchet calling him a retard

>>717259539
I mean to be fair though, the entire galaxy is full of dicks that only exist to sell you things.

>>717241280 (OP)
Deadlocked is so good but the enemy hp becomes way too bloated on the higher difficulties meaning you just rely on the sniper to kill shit. If DL had been a more fleshed out game while retaining the premise it'd be the best by far

>>717259327
>but with the lock on mod it shreds most enemies in a pinch.
Thank fuck im not alone on this
This is my top 3 weapon, with the bouncer and plasma coil
Lock on mod makes it practically infini-range (even before that, you can first person aim in the sky and the projectile will "fall" forwards because coding is hard)

The meteor gun is a late game lancer
The bouncer is a late game mini nuke launcher
The plasmacoil is a late game mook cleaner.
I swear the only people who shit on this gun are those who never found the lock on mod strat for it. The ice version in 3 is such a waste since we already have plenty of short range weapons and even the whip which were just much better that the ice stream that stops being good in NG+ instantly.

>>717259440
Honestly one of the more surprising parts of ACiT to me was the fact that Clank and Orvus never actually meet once.
I feel like a lesser story would have had them interact through some time travel contrivance but not here, all you have to go off of are recordings and AI recreations of him.
It's a surprisingly nuanced and mature bit of storytelling for the series.

>>717259852
>even the whip which were just much better that the ice stream
I don't believe you
Ice gun fucking shredded through enemies and I remember that

It wasn't that bad. It's also super strong in NG+.

The only good writing after Nexus was the movie showing that Nefarious' robot form was the result of him being fused with a RYNO, that actually explains why he's so powerful in his first two fights in UYA and ACIT, as opposed to UYA's explanation being he fell into...a pile of gears, that should've just fucking killed him.

>>717260090
I mean it's just cartoon robot logic. Dude turned himself into a robot and you fight him in gameplay boss fights.

>>717260010
not in NG+ and not as much as meteor gun in 2.
its good as a mook cleaner like any flamer weapon, but thats about it in a game FULL of mook cleaners.
A long range rifle to replace the hurricane was more needed.

>>717260090
>The only good writing after Nexus was the movie showing that Nefarious' robot form was the result of him being fused with a RYNO
wait what? kek
maybe I should watch a cutscene compilation.

>>717241280 (OP)
Fucking love this series but I'm really worried they might replace him in his own franchise with that whore Rivet. It's telling that the only thing people remember her for is the metric tons of porn and nothing about her character, which is hilarious considering the kinds of "people" doing the writing at Insomniac now. Also fuck the capeshittification of entertainment which includes R&C what with the fucking multiverse bullshit, from the leaks it looks like they're bringing back Azimuth in the next one with that excuse. Jesus fucking Christ. Death to capeshit, kill Rivet, roundhouse kick Rivet, headshot Rivet, decapitate Rivet

>>717260503
>the fucking multiverse bullshit
how did they fall so far?

>>717260503
Ratchet is already dead anyway

>>717260351
Don't, it's quite literally just the movie's post credits scene and it's not even in the remake.
I like it in isolation from the rest of the movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0qf2a6Of4E

>>717259302
Fuck Ratchet's armor in ACiT was aesthetic as fuck

>>717260503
>>717260645
I hate multiverse shit so much, i know its capeshit but i fell for the deadpool wolverine hype train, and all i could think was how gay it was that half of the movie takes place in some meta “LOOK ITS THE FOX UNIVERSE “

>>717259327
But it's not what I want from a an upgrade to the Lava Gun. It changes it into a completely different and less fun weapon. Same issue that the RY3NO had

>>717260702
Where do you see the RYNO here?

Also, such a bad scene.

>>717259302
>The big problem with the whole Ratchet series post-PS2 isn't actually that they started taking themselves too seriously, it's that they were stuck juggling the serious subject matter of the story while still wanting to maintain that brand of juvenile humor the series is known for.
But it's not as if it had been amazing if they dropped the humor. The story isn't really that amazing. It's an overly doe eyed, predictable narrative with generic hero and villain moments. The problem is exactly that they started taking it seriously, but you're right that isn't the core issue. The core issue is that they changed the writers after the PS2 games, from 90s/00s-core "It's a free country" writers to a 2010s complicit indie libtard.

>>717260645
They put TJ Fixman in charge of the whole IP

>>717260702
>After the Deplanetizer crashed to the surface of Umbris, several repair bots found Nefarious in a critically injured state amongst the wreckage, where they mistook him for a robot and replaced his organic body with a robotic one.
That's somehow even more gruesome than RAC3, goddamn.

Redpill me on dating a Lombax (male).

>>717260915
jesus, considering hes a total bot afterwards dude mustve been a meat stew on the floor
ratchet is ruthless

anyway whos up for pokitaru?

the person responsible for ratchets post ps3 personality has retired so maybe the next game he will be more fun again

>>717261135
maybe, but even if it is fun, it'll be new-fun, aka, missing its soul.

we're never going back, they just dont have the heart to create like they did back then.

>>717260831
Nefarious had the RYNO in a previous scene, also not in the remake.

>>717260838
My "Early Life" senses are tingling

I still don't get why Rivet became this waifu that people obsess over. She's not particularly hot, nor is her personality any good. What's the appeal? Why her over someone like Angela or Sasha?
>>717261135
Did Fixman even write Rift Apart?

>>717241280 (OP)
Old Ratchet = Futurama
New Ratchet = Rick and Morty

>>717261252
>also not in the remake.
oh fuck I forgot it was a movie too kek

jesus fuck this series really did become what it sought to mock

>>717261386
>hes fucking right
nail on head award anon.

>>717243985
>why would a host on a reality show be an eye candy
It will be a mystery to the end of times

Giving Ratchet and Nefarious a backstory in the remake was stupid, pretty much their entire dynamic in 3 was that Ratchet wasn't even on Nefarious' radar for like half the game because he thinks Quark and Secret Agent Clank are a bigger threat.

>>717241280 (OP)
>do you hate how ratchet has been acting in the recent games?
The Bananza effect

>>717261318
People like furry women, making fun of furries is just out of style so now niggas just openly post about it. Judy hopps isn’t really that special of a character but that doesn’t stop them either.
Hell rivet and judy actually look a little similar too

>>717261293
I don't know what that means.

>>717241952
Rivet because selfcest is the best

>>717260645
CiT wasn't already a multiverse game? And that was long before the term or concept become popular/mainstream

>>717261780
I like how in both appearances Nefarious is justified in going batshit insane because Qwark is just that much of a self-righteous jerk. Even during his funeral Ratchet could barely think of a nice thing to say about him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbFVl6jwFfQ

old games
>fuck you ratchet
>fuck you clank i hate you so much

new game
>i love you ratchet
>love you too bro uwu

>>717261925
It means TJ looks like a jew. It's a meme anon, lurk moar senpai

>>717261780
Nefarious always had a defined backstory.
He was relentlessly bullied by Qwark, in biology, because he was born a weak nerd, when he was turned into a robot he became powerful, that exasperated his inferiority complex, not only causing him to adopt the kill all squishies mindset, it gave him the inspiration for the Biobliterator.

>>717262141
>pic
kek
>>717262316
He means a shared backstory. Also Nefarious' backstory was a joke and funny first

>>717262036
CiT isn't multiverse. It doesn't even have alternate timelines or anything, what happens in the past immediately changes the present.

>>717262036
>CiT wasn't already a multiverse game?
No. Capeshit has made it so there's the existence of a multiverse which enables writers to recycle character and stories ad nauseam, essentially reusing them with small changes and at minimal creative effort. In other words, total artistic diearrhea, same shit as parent birds funnelling digested food in their babies' mouth.
In ACiT there's time travel at best, but they don't pull that shit like "what if in le universe #4095820754 Ratchet was le woman?!?!?" and feature her as a near carbon copy of already existing characters. Rift Apart on the other hand...

I remember Clank barely saying a word in the remake

>>717262571
Multiverse gender swap stories that make both counterparts the exact same personality is wild. If you were a girl, you would have a completely different outlook on life because society does treat the genders differently giving you a completely different upbringing with new expectations.
Also it’s just boring from a story standpoint, whats even the point? Just easy fanart? Why blow your load on an opportunity like that and not take full advantage.

>>717262502
>>717262571
Nevermind then, I hereby confused the time travel story with the multiverse one.
I swear to god that were theory or hints about it somewhere related to the question of "where the fuck is the Lombax race?" but it was never put on question if they were fucked up somewhere or just killed off

>>717262036
CiT is the exact opposite of a multiverse game. Azimuth's character and the whole ending cutscene is an allegory for not being able to change the past and all that jazz.
>>717262846
They fumbled it because they completely forgot about Angela.

What if Ratchet was a girl?

We all deservedly talk about Ratchets personality and character getting raped but how do we feel about Clank? For me at least, he’s still the same kinda and I like him but again it goes back to ratchet being sanitized so their dynamic also gets watered down

>>717262926
>They fumbled it because they completely forgot about Angela.
You mean they forget every girl they put on the plate on Rachet's romance?

>>717262846
>Nevermind then, I hereby confused the time travel story with the multiverse one.
Don't worry 'bout it
>where are the lombaxes
Am I the only one who has stopped caring? They brought that plot point up in fucking 2007, 18 years later Ratchet still hasn't found the l0Mbax3s, and I was one of those kids who was in the Ratchet and Clank DeviantArt fandom and was really into it lmao. Honestly I'm baffled they're even still pursuing that narrative thread, kids buying the games now weren't even alive when it was initially created, they should just let it go or finally wrap it up for good in the next game (they won't)

>>717263065
They could have at least brought Sasha back as a supporting character. She was pretty cute.

>>717262465
It was funny, but it was never only a joke, everything that happens in the vidcomics regarding Nefarious' past lines up pretty perfectly with the kind of person he is in UYA.
If it were all a joke, Nefarious himself would be nothing but a joke, kind of like how he has been ever since A4O, instead he's taken seriously by everyone except Gears and Lawrence and it practically took an entire galaxy working together to just barely defeat him.

>>717254456
mmm yes i need to see those paws for important lore reasons

>>717263053
I don't mind nu-Clank, I just wish he would shut up a bit more and stop spoiling all the puzzles. A half-decent b-plot is all he really needs to shine

>>717243193
That's pretty racist of you, anon, don't be like that or we'll have to report you to the sub's mods.

Are ps3 hd remasters good, or should I play the ps2 ones on ps2?

>>717264908
Ratchet 3 HD has dev codes that give you weapons and gadgets.

>>717265056
And why would I want that?

>>717265540
I didn't say you would, that's just the only major difference between the originals and the HD collection.

>>717263053
>nu-clank
Its just as bad as Nu-Ratchet.. I replayed 3 a while ago and i completely forgot he had a personality and could be funny, because he had been shit for so long

>>717265701
Same framerate, even? If they haven't done the Vert- cutoff with hd transition, I guess ps3 is still better because wireless pads.

>>717266204
Crazy what having no human soul writing your dialogues can do to a character

>>717241280 (OP)
I can't help but find the cap he wears to be really retarded looking.

I'm surprised Insomniac even got a hold of Marvel.

After Spyro, PS2 R&C and Resistance they've been living in the bad timeline. No original IP trilogy, just more Ratchet and some one-off games.

>>717263053
The later games make Clank much more passive in terms of personality. He was always nice, but he talked back at NPCs almost as much as Ratchet did when it called for it and actually had a spine. It makes him so much more forgettable as a character, compared to how half the first game involved Clank basically forcing Ratchet to play the hero and them playing around with turning him into a womanizer in the later PS2 games.

Also making him your helper fairy in some of the later games was a bad move because it just makes him annoying. They should have never stopped doing the helpdesk voice.

>>717241280 (OP)
American Ratchet vs Japanese Ratchet

Is PS3 Ratchet old Ratchet or nu Ratchet?

>>717268302
It's NotRatchet, he has no personality

COME AND BUY A PIXELIZER

>all the wholesome ratchet+rivet fanart
when did furries become the good guys

>>717266204
Imagine still playing this franchise after you realized it became shit.
Personally I just stopped after ACiT. I barely even finished that or ToD before I felt something was missing and it wasn't the same anymore.

>>717243536
Is there a patch for the remasters to fix the shitty clipping?

>>717241280 (OP)
I haven't played the newer games, but they guy was never edgy in any of them.

>>717270019
He used to have personality and wits
The entire world had more personality and felt way more cynical and "real"

They are sooooo Ready to make Sweet Sweet Love with Each other in order to make a big family alongside each other to take care of the Dozens Lombax Babies they'll be having together, Raising them as best as they possibly can to ensure they can carry on their Legacy once they grow up and become the protagonists of all future Ratchet and Clank games!

>>717266204
It's insane how he's almost completely irrelevant in the reboot too. He might as well have been removed and nothing would change.

>>717270019
No one is saying he was edgy, fuckwit. He just wasn't a happy-go-lucky, bland, witless non-character with zero interesting attributes like he is now.

>>717270856
>'I'll do anything for a few bolts'
>'Candid' photos inside
heh