Thread 717246374

VTM: A Machine for Pigs.

>>717246374 (OP)
That's exactly the impression i get, who the hell trusts this walking sim studio to deliver on anything when they messed up Amnesia all those years ago?

>>717246374 (OP)
it cant be THAT bad

Aren't fa/tg/uys saying V5 sucks? You can't make a good game with a bad system.

>>717247734
>take greatest game of all time (debatable)
>add dei trannyshit and libtards
I know nothing about the current game, but that's how it's gonna go.

>>717247734
Even the devs themselves are showing zeeo confidence in this game. Thats a huge redflag

>>717246374 (OP)
No, no, no, no, it's V:TM: AMfP. The first colon is important!

Nah, see, it's not actually written by the guy who wrote A Machine for Pigs. It's written by the guy who wrote Rebirth

I liked a machine for pigs, but I don't know if I'd like a machine for pigs like vtm game

>>717250718
M3vhanically it's nothing like AMFP. It's an open world action RPG like Dishonored meets Deue Ex meets that Arkane game where you kick everyone. But it's almost certainly got similar story themes.

>>717247885
>debatable
come on now.
it excels in quite a few areas, but let's not oversell things here

>>717251976
If you don't see it that way, the people who seek to ruin it do.

>>717246374 (OP)
amfp was already so much worse than the first amnesia that i expect boring shit from this too

>>717250452
Rebirth was well-written. Most of the Amnesia games (and especially SOMA) are well-written, actually. It's the horror and mechanics where they falter. A fucking RPG is both writing quality and mechanics, it's exponentially more complex than a horror game and there's no way that they're not going to fuck this up. VTMB had the people behind fucking Arcanum working on it, and they made it with a shitty, early, constantly-updating version of Source and a box of scraps. It's still a classic.

>>717254068
>SOMA glazer

>>717254068
>VTMB had the people behind fucking Arcanum working on it, and they made it with a shitty, early, constantly-updating version of Source and a box of scraps. It's still a classic.
Not because of its mechanics, though. Mechanically VTMB1 sucks.

>>717254332
Great game. Suck my dick.

>>717254459
Combat, yeah. In terms of fundamental character building it's fucking great. Especially when you learn how gimped certain races ended up being because they didn't have enough time. Nosferatu is an amazing idea, and those fuckers weren't even playtested and launched with gamebreaking bugs, because the playtesters thought they were ugly. Yes, this actually happened. That's how big a shitshow the dev cycle for VTMB was.

>>717254459
Not giving XPs for killing things alone sets it far above the average. By "mechanically" you mean "shootan ain't Call of Modern Honor" and "fightan ain't spectacle fighter of the week" (at best, I expect ackchyuallies that will make me regret writing the post and weep quietly).

TCR is making kino and literally saved VTMB2

>>717256891
>Braindead AI
This is my main problem with modern garbage.
It totally breaks immersion.

>>717247875
V5 is very divisive, depending on your player profile. Some people loathe the edition. A lot of people actually like one thing or another from it, but none of us can agree on which part is good and which is bad.
That said, given how little systemic influence from V5 there is if we're to believewhat has been shown of Bloodlines 2, it shouldn't matter much.

>>717254716
>Great game.
I'll grant you great piece of interactive fiction, but that's the best I can do.

>>717256776
Which is one thing that bothered me in B2's gameplay demo so far: XP per kill.

>>717257124
I think WoD should stay in 90s. 1990s are a great historical setting. Pre-smartphone world was more fit for masquerade concepts. Modern day ghouls and thin bloods would out themselves in seconds.

>>717257215
The general answer to the panopticon argument is the inherent issue of the current signal-to-noise ratio: people can and will believe anything, but good luck gaining enough traction to make any group big enough to act on those disparate beliefs.
Add vampires taking key control points in the data-flow and the current world can offer just enough of a canva for masquerade suspension of disbelief.
I have no strong opinion on the mater myself, I never found the masquerade particularly believable. It's just a great, convenient narrative device.

>>717246374 (OP)
That's a vampire for breeding

>>717247987
There's that quote of Paradox 'sdeputy CEO going the rounds ("God willing" and all that...), but I don't think I've ever seen the devs themselves diss on the game.
And I've been following things obsessively.

even paradox are done with it
hope they sell the IP when it flops and someone competent buys it, instead of a company sitting on the IP for years and doing fucking nothing with it

>>717257215
They literally wouldn't though. There'd basically no way to prove someone was a "real vampire" and not just your average goth chick, S&M pervert, or terminally online schizo if they did exist. If there happens to be video footage of them doing something absolutely inhuman, there's always the excuse of CGI/AI/etc.

I don't believe in ghosts, you'd have to be a tard to, but I do like to entertain the idea. Especially because of the signal/noise ratio. If someone really were able to capture the "paranormal" on video, would anyone believe them? I fucking wouldn't.

The game should have been made by Larian.

>>717258235
>The entire Astarion questline.
>Unabashedly sexual, not terrified of showing a tit.
Unironically yes.

>>717258235
At least I would have a kek or two.

>>717257015
The combat in VTMB was shit and it's still a classic, zoomer

>>717258734
I hate retards like you, just because something was shit in the past doesn't mean it should be shit today as well.

>>717258235
UI don't kn ow I wuuld trust Larian with VtM. Their writing for RPGs very much make you feel around the table passing on chips to the other player, so to speak.
Works more or less for D&D. I'd have a harder time with a WoD game.

>>717258734
>The combat in VTMB was shit
i thought it was fun for the most part but it took me a while to really get used to everything and figure everything out