The real #SaveTF2

>>717269325 (OP)
I'm out of the loop. What did they break? I only miss my UKCS TF2 servers in serverbrowser.

>any matchmaking at all
kill yourself zoomer

I know it's nitpicky but just before MyM, when quickplay had shit like Hydro and other special maps, that's the era of TF2 I wanna go back, that was THE best time to play.

>>717269457
Doesn't QP just match you to the nearest server with slots avaliable that fits your criteria? iirc there was no SBMM or similar that the current matchmaking has

>>717269550
Easily manipulated by creating bot servers with ads.

>>717269591
This is why they removed Quickplay. It's obsolete and easily exploited by malicious parties. Thank GABE for the new matchmaking system.

listen chud, quickplay was changed for a reason
like, these things happen for REASONS

>>717269550
All quickplay did was shove you into a valve server in one button. It was just cutting out the server browser which for some reason the same fags that praise quickplay also praises.

>>717269809
tl,dr: kill niggers

>>717269591
late QP was set to Valve servers only by default, but you could still change it to inculde community servers if you wanted
and valve servers back then had scramble, switching teams, 45 minute servers and ad hoc connections
now with casual you queue for a minute (or several minutes if you dont play badwater/upward/harvest) to join a match, you wait 2 more minutes during the preround timer which is there to fill the server, you then wait for the casual cutscene, then you play for 5 minutes and the server ends, the votemap begins, and everyone leaves
it's funny how casual is so shit that the arguments in favor of it are shit like "b-but I like my matches lasting 5 minutes!" as if before you couldn't just fucking disconnect when you felt like not playing anymore

>>717269457
>Matchmaking
It literally just picks the best server from the server browser, including Valve servers.

>>717269809
>I also like shorter games
leave whenever cunt, that's what's good about quickplay
>muh balance
who cares, autobalance exists, bring that back in full power too

>>717270305
forgot dustbowl
oh yea and 75% of casual games are hideously unbalanced

>>717269809
>I'd rather other things take priority, like... LE COSMETICS!!!!
nuke reddit

>>717270617
>leave whenever cunt, that's what's good about quickplay
i dont want to lose my casual experience points, chud

Quickplay. Was. Awful.
Like, c'mon guys! Get off your nostalgia goggles orsumshiet.

>>717270785
Those retards didn't play back when you didn't have to finish the round to count the progress
Fuck valve and fuck ghost fort

>>717270305
>but you could still change it to inculde community servers if you wanted
Which did an abysmal job and put you on a server filled with ads and bots 9 times out of 10. STAR did a whole video on it.

quickplay sucked kill yourself.

>>717271195
then dont set it to add community servers you dense retard, that was my point

>>717271416
and now community servers get no players at all.

>>717271494
and they do with casual? the community browser is more dead than it was with QP, its just skial and inceltopia

>>717271809
>and they do with casual?
im saying get rid of any form of matchmaking altogether.

>>717270785
YOU STILL HAVE TO STAY IN THE GAME FOR THOSE WITH MATCHMAKING WHAT KIND OF FUCKING RETARDED REASONING IS THIS???
Their complaints still exist within matchmaking, quickplay will straight up make it better because if they so chose they can just leave after 1 round is done. And if you are not a fucking braindead retard you can leave mid round too because who cares about those two things in the first place, people like this guy are genuinely a detriment to the game.

>>717271921
valve servers were fine, especially for newer players
people would learn to use the community browser eventually anyway

>>717270785
>...and watch as players who do not want to change teams ragequit
So those people should get to play on the team they want but not me and my friends? What even is this fear of the proplayer stacking boogiemen? Me and my friends are not top tier players we just want to play the game. And his complaint makes no sense in the first place because the game puts friends in the same team in the first place you fucking retard, I want to play AGAINST my friends that's why I want quickplay back.

>>717272298
>people would learn to use the community browser eventually anyway
they didn't. quickplay sucked the life out of community servers. bringing it back wouldn't solve anything.

>>717269809
>I like shorter games
You can just leave the server after X amount of rounds.
>There are also potential balance problems
All potential balance problems are made exponentially worse with matchmaking and how its made. There, you're counted as being on a team before you even join, meaning if your team is still joining, you'll be a 12 v 5 while the system thinks its a 12 v 12.
Plus servers have autobalance and automatic teams anyways as an option.

>>717269792
Quickplay is still in the game dumbfuck frog nigger

>>717270785
>and watch as players who do not want to change teams ragequit and requeue
never actually happened when community servers were the only way to play.

>>717269457
does QP even categorize as "matchmaking"?

>>717273381
yes

>>717273429
Pretty sure no matches get made with quickplay. It literally just searched for a server and threw the player in it. And most people hit the server list option meaning it was literally a server browser for them.

>>717269325 (OP)
the quickplay championing has to be one of the most astro-turfed things in the modern tf2 community, i don't believe this would actually fundamentally change things much

whats ACTUALLY missing to a substantial degree is just community servers. If you like playing surf in tf2 there is quite literally One surf server left. One.

>>717273601
MyM adds players to servers in batches the same way. It is rare for a full 12v12 match to be fully organized before the game even begins.

>>717269809
all arguments against quickplay are like that
>yeah maybe quickplay was good but umm the people who want it back are meanies

>>717273654
>i don't believe this would actually fundamentally change things much
valve servers would definitely improve with the old QP ruleset

make your own TF2 with quickplay
valve literally gave you the source code, assets and people to do it
so
DO IT

why are they like this

>>717269417
Damn, UKCS. I remember those servers going from constant full capacity to 0 players overnight in 2016 after Overwatch released. They ended up shutting them down, had no idea they were back up.

>>717273678
MyM would throw you into in-progress games to fill spaces but that was it compromising its own vision of being an actual matchmaker (which was a retarded idea to begin with).

Seriously so much of MyM's damage control after the initial disastrous implementation was trying to change it to resemble the old system as much as possible.

>>717273929
there already are, but they are just casual with a moustache
you cant have old QP without valve support because old QP relied on valve servers

>>717273929
I can always tell someone hasn't actually tried looking at the source code when they say that.

There's a reason none of the tf2 modders who made mods with the leaked code and finished an official valve approved version yet.

QuickPlay is ruined in Overwatch2 as well

>>717273929
>just make your own circlejerk sourcemod with 7 other retards, with your own ruleset
This line of thinking will never work. TF2C literally has less than 200-300 players at a time and it's the most popular TF2 fangame. Valve just needs to revert MYM and all the dogshit that came with it.

>>717269325 (OP)
the og way of playing was much better
auto balancing people and being able to pick your team was way more fun and balanced from what we have today. now people just quit the fucking match after it ends and 90% of matches are one sided steam rolls.
They tried making TF2 into CS go and it didnt work, just revert that shit back.

>>717269457
You retard QuckPlay literally removes Matchmaking

>>717271494
>damned if you do, damned if you don't
Retarded niggers like you need to be silenced.

>>717273654
You don't even fucking need to do a full revert, just having valve server have the old rule set would be enough.

>>717269325 (OP)
>Valve adds full workshop support
>community still mad
You are as fat as a pig and as greedy as a jew

>>717275826
>stop asking the small indie company that makes tens of millions a year off your game for the game to improve you entitled brat

Valve server quickplay era was the second best time to play tf2, the first being the first year of the game.
There was this period right before quickplay where it was actually, physically impossible to find a vanilla server in europe that didnt fuck with respawn times, max players, or have garbage like RTD or custom maps like cp_Orange.
People who shit on quickplay have NOT played in that time period.

>>717269325 (OP)
>bitch and moan for years that valvd servers are ass, that the community servers in rotation are ass and that quickplay was ass because of voting, autobalance, random crits, etc.
>bitch and moan to bring MM because it would benefit the game and because other games like CS has it and Overwatch was on thr horizon and because tf2 has some secret competitive potential
>bitch and moan when MM gets added because it turns out it doesn't work for the game and both the voting system and autobalance were a necessary evil
>bitch and moan that com servers are le killed (this was a lie literally 3 clicks away)
>bitch and moan to add quickplay back
>will botch and moan once its added again

are tf2 fags the most whinny people ever? I thought they had thicker skin

>compniggers are the entire playerbase chud
Kill yourself faggot

>>717276721
I was playing vanilla payload on no heroes. Not my problem euros are retarded.

>>717276783
>bitch and moan to bring MM because it would benefit the game and because other games like CS has it and Overwatch was on thr horizon and because tf2 has some secret competitive potential
No one with a brain said this.

Bots made the game unplayable, that was important item #1, and f2ps being muted is #2, but quickplay and adhoc connections were so much better than mym matchmaking.

>>717276783
>>bitch and moan to bring MM
stopped reading there, only like 20 retards did this, not even the faggots that joined the valve comp steam group asked for it, they just saw it as a novelty to try out
nobody in tf2 gave a shit about competitive back then, and even less people do now

>>717276721
Orange maps were unironically fun, as long as it was one of the variants that dealt with snipers by adding trenches. The problem is literally every server that runs them now has the gimmicky bullshit you mentioned.

>>717271494
retard

>>717277148
I played a shit-ton of orange back in the day, but I wanted to play vanilla too, and that was basically impossible back in the day.

>>717277148
I have played like 500 hours on a no longer existing orange only server, it only had orange style maps, one of the things they did was revert back the caber AND make it crit while in the air (JUMPING COUNTED AS AIRBORNE), every match there'd be at least 2 flying demos constantly tormenting the snipers, it was fun (until the tryhard engi went and built a nest over your spawn and it was game over)

>>717276962
>>717276986
disingenuous as fuck because even here you had retards shitting on quickplay and arguing in favour of MM multiple times with the same retarded arguments (bad players on my tema good on the enemy's, games are always on the same maps, i get kicked out) so it wasn't all compshitters like this sissy here >>717276931 is implying

/v/ as always has selective memory or is full of retards that joined post mym

>>717277673
no, sneed and dilate shithead.

>>717277673
if anything this shitty site back then hated anything post uber update you gaslighting cuck

>>717278019
>no true scotsman fallacy
>calls me gaslighter while gaslighting
i would say more but your small brsin wouldn't get it
point is that what you said doesn't refute what i said, this place along with any other loathed quickplay and valve servers and were actively supporters to change it to MM

>>717277742
>post mym and elections lingo
sir, you are indian

>>717278571
do not redeeem the quackplay saaar

>>717273929
The reality that nobody wants to admit is that there are maybe 10k active TF2 players left, everything else is just bots.

>>717278456
>you too reply
it's not like you have proof about how "everyone was so totally asking for MM bro"

>>717278917
a bit more. but definitely not the numbers that steam shows

>>717279195
Anon, retards who can't figure out that holding W makes them go forward don't count as humans, we need to drop the number by 5-7 k.

>>717269325 (OP)
Causal would be fine if people didn't ragequit after 1 loss thus leaving everyone with a 4v10 and auto balance. I cant tell you how many times I've seen my whole team quit and I have to hold a defense for 3 minutes waiting for new players to come back, not to mention the amount of times where I'll see a person who just left reenter the same game. I always welcome them back letting them know they accomplished nothing by quitting and requeuing

>>717279743
>Causal would be fine if people didn't ragequit after 1 loss thus leaving everyone with a 4v10 and auto balance
the reason people leave is because, by the time autobalance may actually give you an even match, the game will be fucking over anyway because it always shuts down after 2 fucking rounds, usually giving you 10 mins or less of playtime in anything not being payload or dustbowl
and autobalance is slow as fuck, scramble would be better

>>717279898
Removing scramble was so fucking retarded

>>717280007
it really was. They really need a thing where when a match ends and people leave en masse team scramble really needs to kick in right then before the next match starts.

>>717279030
>you too reply
you are probably retarded if you think i said that
the archives and in the steam forums where idiots were complaining about quickplay and valve servers and talking in favour of MM outside of competitive are right there, youre free to look for yourself, i lived that time and i told those idiots that adding MM would be retarded
>inb4 n-no proof spoonfeed me daddy pls

>>717271195
you first, nigger
i want to play on the same map on the same server for as long as i want without having to constantly requeue for 2 minutes ON A GOOD DAY every time the fucking tobuscus doors close
if valve actually put in more effort to moderate what community servers would be allowed in quickplay none of this would have happened and community servers wouldn't have devolved into shitholes filled with tryhards playing their own shitty mods

>>717269325 (OP)
trvke

I just wanna play a koth map for more than 10 minutes :3

>>717269417
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Quickplay
>Quickplay - then:
>No Elo/Glicko/etc. skill-based matchmaking system at all, it only exists to find you servers playing the game. That's it.
>Could be set to place you in Valve or eligible community servers, the former you could ad-hoc in through the server browser if you wanted.
>Maps are switched after a 45 minute timer, map votes can happen mid-game or the current map's timer can be extended.
>Allows votes to scramble teams if things are too one-sided (or auto-scrambling in the event of consecutive one-sided games).
>Players could join the other team or enter spectate mode whenever they wanted if it does not mess up team balance.

>Casual - now:
>Was very unpolished during testing and was released almost completely unchanged from its testing period.
>Used to always take several minutes to find a game, sometimes still does.
>No ad-hoc connecting, no way to access community servers through it.
>Uses SBMM and Glicko ratings to balance teams, which cannot account for the various different scenarios the game has, and ironically often results in inbalanced.
>Zero team scrambling to reflect the above point.
>Auto-balance wasn't a thing for the longest time and is still flawed; players who are currently joinING (but not fully joinED) and players who lost connection still take up a playerslot to often prevent autobalance.
>Bot hosts capitalized on the above point, enabling the bot crisis to happen and spiral out of control.
>Maps switch after games are played best out of 3 rounds, map voting happens AFTER the game's over, and you have to wait 30 seconds to vote for either only the current map or 2 different ones, and THEN it switches maps.
>CTF maps, however, only play best out of 1 round, which birthed a stigma against capping on Casual CTF servers because no one wants to sit through the constant waiting.
Casual broke fucking EVERYTHING, man. I want this fucking mode back more than anything else for this game.

>>717269481
It was, yeah!

>>717283005
retards will still defend casul

casul = soulless
quickplay = SOVL

bump

>>717279743
everybody leaves after one steam roll since they know full well it won't get better due to the fact even in cases like dustbowl you only have a few rounds of getting curbstomped then you are forced back to rejoining the server, to have a more empty server, by that point you might as well just reque since at least you won't be getting your shit kicked in while waiting for a new round

Still amazed valve servers need to restart just to play on the same map again

quickplay
>can connect to a valve server using the server browser
casual
>cannot connect to a valve server using the server browser
execute every casual nigger on sight

>>717286660
quickplay
>get dropped into botted P2W server with ads and 5GB of custom content
casual
>literally just works
i will never understand the retards who want quickplay back.

>>717286810
herd mentality same thing that put match making into the game in the first place, same thing that made evreryonr avoif the "good" community servers, same thing that is making this stupid movements that never do anything pop up

>>717279195
That was over a year ago, its only gotten worse since then.

>>717286810
Oh yeah, it "just works" alright, queueing for at least a minute and then being forced to wait 2 more minutes on a half-empty server because you joined just before it switched maps, that's totally how it just works

>>717286810
>>get dropped into botted P2W server with ads and 5GB of custom content
not a chance since Valve disabled the community server option in qp by default

>>717286810
>get dropped into botted P2W server with ads and 5GB of custom content
Quickplay had a system in place that wouldn't put you on servers with bots, paid content, custom content, or even ones with HTML MOTDs or a 32-playercount.
>literally just works
It JUST works, but Quickplay just worked BETTER, retard.

>>717286810
as somebody who actually got to experience quickplay, I can tell you the amount of times I got dropped in a botted server with ads was negligable at best, especially during its final year where valve put in place more counter measures

>>717286810
>>literally just works
yeah but can you connect to a valve server using the server browser THOUGH?

>>717287791
valve servers have been historically shit newfag

Still pouring one out for all the AUS servers that died overnight when valve cut off the community servers from quickplay - and then again when they cut off quickplay

>>717269325 (OP)
Quickplay was fucking trash and completely destroyed the communities I enjoyed by flooding it with randoms, what's with zoomers trying to pretend they want utter garbage they never experienced?

>>717286810
Reddit is that way

>>717287973
>valve servers have been historically shit
what was wrong with literal vanilla servers?

>>717288019
were people allergic to just use the server browser?

>>717288107
Quickplay filling community servers with F2Ps is small potatoes compared to Casual completely cutting off traffic AND making vanilla servers 10x worse to play

>>717289321
They're both irredeemable trash and shouldn't ever be there to begin with, too little too late by now.

The reason why matchmaking is so popular despite the fact that quickplay is just objectively better in every way possible is because console kiddies grew up with matchmaking. Matchmaking is the only form of online multiplayer console kiddies knew about, so they get that first duck syndrome and think having to queue for 5 minutes with a bunch of randoms is better than just instantly joining a server.
If you see someone defending Matchmaking or claiming its better than community servers/quickplay, there is a 100% chance they only started playing TF2 after MyM and grew up playing console FPS for a majority of their childhood.

>>717269325 (OP)
just pull the plug

>>717289625
The only people defending quickplay or even remotely conflating it with community servers weren't around for community servers untainted by quickplay cancer.

>install game again after a decade
>the average player is significantly better than a decade ago
>I'm significantly worse
>suck ass and keep dying
>mfw

>>717290137
the thing is, valve is more likely to adjust the casual mode to behave more like quickplay before scrapping it altogether, because it will be less scary for normalfags who are used to the status quo (cue the famous Eric Smith quote)
and I'm not going to speak for the other fags here, but quickplay is objectively better to the casual when it comes to the vanilla experience, however I'm not denying the damage it inflicted on the community servers when it came out

>>717287426
doubt

its actually crazy that a lot of casual apologists use the fucking badge as a legitimate argument
the modern multiplayer gamer cannot comprehend playing online videogames without an elo system, if they dont get the heckin number at the end of a match they feel like they wasted their time
I can imagine newfags on 45min servers like it was in 2014 and thinking "whats the point?" after 20 mins

>Valve will never get rid of the bots. Stop asking!
>The 7th comic will never release. Stop asking!
>They will never ummute f2ps. Stop asking!

We are here

>They will never bring quickplay back. Stop asking!

>>717291910

>>717291910
I really don't believe Valve will revert to quickplay. They'd have to swallow their pride, tear out all the features Jill worked so hard on, and reuse some ancient spaghetti code still in the files. They will just concede on some of casual's mistakes and apply as many bandaid fixes as they can.

>>717290907
There's no "thing" that makes quickplay remotely desirable. Remove this cancer and all forms of cancer.

>>717292196
I desire unshittified official servers

>>717291910
>>Valve will never get rid of the bots. Stop asking!
the were already doing it, waves of vacbans to bots and some people responsible, it was bevause bots were spamming shady links
>>The 7th comic will never release. Stop asking!
nok issue
>>They will never ummute f2ps. Stop asking!
meassure to stop the shady links, once the bots were gone it was innevitable tp bring it back
not a single one of this petitions acomplished anything

>>717290907
Because of the way casual works, from what I understand, features that were present in preMYM valve servers cannot be applied to casual servers.
I think it was team scrambles, team switch, and ad hoc connections that couldn't be applied, iirc. Increasing the timer so the lobbies don't shut down after 2 fucking rounds could probably be changed, however.
>>717292391
this

>>717291910
I don't see them bringing back quickplay, but I can see them changing some casual rules to make it less aids. Like adding back vote scramble and match timers for ctf.

>>717292630
>Because of the way casual works, from what I understand, features that were present in preMYM valve servers cannot be applied to casual servers.
I mean they can keep their shitty fucking map selection screen and EXP medals to appease normalfags, it can be quickplay in anything but name

>>717292552
>not a single one of this petitions acomplished anything
lmao sure bothoster
kill yourself

>>717292842
I was refering to how casual is programmed on a fundamental level.
But we'll see.

TF2 was never good

>>717293008
why?

>>717293008
name your favorite games. right now.

>>717291910
zesty won

>>717295279
Can he keep winning, thougheverbeit?

>>717291910
Trvke

>>717293742
genshin impact
zenless zone zero
blue archive
wuthering waves
honkai star rail
umamusume: pretty derby
girls frontline 2: exilum
nikke: goddess of victory
arknights: endfield
azure lane

>>717297932
you should honestly just kill yourself at this point

>>717298381
tf2 is more cancerous than any gacha with its lootbox keys. if anything, tf2 walked so that gacha could run.

>>717297932
I giggled, very funni

>>717298516
gooner games are insta cancer, gooner
again, kill yourself

>>717297932
He asked for games, not porn tags.

>>717298959
tf2 is a bigger gooner game than all of those combined.

>>717299721
but can your gooner "game" do this?

>>717299721
and no, gooner based community servers and mods don't count, your precious gachas have them too

>>717300013
can yours do THIS?

>>717299721

>ITT: retards that think people want pre-2014 quickplay back, which objectively sucked

I will save TF2

>>717304583
waiter, more bait please

I still hate to this day how casual "reserves" player slots but never actually fills them for some reason, leading to imbalanced matches. Infuriates me to no end.

>>717306535
yet another horrible "feature" of casual that was never a problem before

>>717306429
>people are actually hoping for autobalance after crying about it for years

>>717306535
it reserves them while a player connects
if that player has an exceptionally slow computer or internet connection it'll reserve it until that player stops connecting, either because he finished connecting or because he cancelled joining.
it's a really asinine system since you could obviously just autobalance a guy or two to the other team and swap the joining player(s) to balance it out.

>>717290442
>Remembered how I was considered scum for being a F2P in 2011
>It's been 15 years since

>>717307512
No autobalance was an advertised feature of casual, but it made the situation a million times worse because when players left, nobody could be reassigned to their team. You couldn't (and still can't) manually join a team.

>>717307512
>valve raped the game so badly people actually want autobalance back

>tfw zoomer that started playing playing MyM
I've never played on maps like well or freight

>>717310654
They are both garbage
Most of the maps that "oldfags" stain their pants over are shit and they only play them to relive their formative years

>>717310810
But I like Freight because it has trains.

>>717310654
>>tfw zoomer that started playing playing MyM
same, i started playing right when casual came out, but from 2016 to 2018 i found this great community sv that ran vanilla tf2 with all sort of maps and it was always full after 7pm, i got to play doomsday, freight, hydro, watchtower, coldfront, asteroid, vanguard, watergate, I was gonna say probed too but probed is actually fairly commonly played in casual now that they got it added to regular koth
i remember actually being disappointed that i would have to start playing casual again when jungle inferno came out and i wanted to do contracts for the first time in my life, my experience with casual by that point was just my first month of TF2 where I only played 2fort and Landfall and while I'm nostalgic for it, casual was never nearly, not even close as fun as that alltalk vanilla community sv, and because of that I have more hours in 2017 alone that I do from 2019 to 2025
fuck
/vlog

>>717310810
I never cared for well but freight is a great map. KYS

>>717307512
auto blanace is even worse in its current version since not only do you still get randomly fucked, but now you can get stuck in a major steam roll and then be forced to instantly rejoin the server

>>717307512
Fuck that, I want team scrambling back. Fuck SBMM.

>>717311302
oh yeah, I forgot that probed got added to the regular pool. fucking love that map.

>I need Valve to force people to join my empty TF2 server or else TF2 is dead
>"6 million subscriber" TF2 youtuber who swears up and down that TF2 only has 4 players

The "bring back quick play" campaign is being run by server owners who were running modded servers who were selling power to kids. When valve added proper matchmaking, the quick play server owners lost their revenue stream of retards who paid for faster spawns.

>>717312306
Oh it's worse than that, it's dumbass TF2 youtubers nobody likes demanding affirmative action from Valve.
All the communities from back then are dead.
Except Furry Pound, and they don't need to demand Valve force people to join their servers.

>>717312479
who conveniently are sponsored by server owners

>>717277673
I just checked https://arch.b4k.dev/, it goes as far back as 2015. Feel free to try and find posts talking about matchmaking positively. At best you get the occasional retard suggesting it and then multiple people rightfully mocking them in response.

I'm pretty sure the most positive thing people thought about MyM was that it wasn't going to touch the main game because no one fucking new valve were planning on forcing matchmaking onto the casual format until the update dropped.

fuck quickplay and fuck skial

>>717312571
What part of all the real communities died and all that's left are youtuber servers that people are actively avoiding is eluding you?

Isn't it fascinating how any interesting discussion gets immediately bogged down by people rage baiting with contrarian opinions from Reddit?
Why don't the mods enforce the rule about instigating flame wars again? They enforce the other rules just not that one

>>717312986
none of it I'm agreeing with you

>>717313231
I can't bothered with figuring out what you're pissy about.
Are you throwing a tantrum because people are saying this "bring back quickplay" shit is retarded and reporting everyone?

>>717272664
Okay but now that people know doing that works what stops them from doing it now?

>>717292849
Why would he be a bothoster? He isn't a Youtuber.

>>717308390
anon, the alternative is autobalance that thinks that an empty server slot counts as a person and the 2v12 match is actually fair instead of actually disrupting the clear imbalance. And when autoscramble isn't a thing, it just causes the server to implode until the stomp is over.
I've had small games during dead hours (shit like 3v3s where we just TDM in mid) where autobalance can actually take someone from a team with less people and put them on the more populated team.
The slot reservation system is fucking awful. Sure being autobalanced felt bad in the moment, but the system isn't even allowed to function even remotely close to its intent.

>>717313387
I think he's talking about the reddit screencaps that are among the first replies.

>>717273929
yeah im sure all the people on regular TF2 will move to a sourcemod for a single function that valve could bring back in a single update
NOT!!!

can one of these modders make "Team Fortress 2 But If Valve Didn't Fuck it Up?"
>no microeconomy or item server whatsoever
>no cosmetics whatsoever (or if there are, only select headpieces)
>all weapons unlocked by default, no need to find them
>sprays and alltalk on by default
>a proper rebalance do-over of all classes/weapons so everything is viable in some capacity, and most importantly, FUN
>weapons like Razorback, Darwin's, Dead Ringer, Vaccinator all cut because they're fundamentally retarded
>only like 20 official maps (the best from base TF2, Valve only and maybe some top of the line community stuff)
>server browser only, quickplay ruleset used
>hyper-optimized, spaghetti-less code
>configured for machines made in the current year and not 2007
something that isn't TF2C thanks

>>717314314
why? you never played it anyways

>>717314731
i would :)
there's just so many minor annoyances in this game and it's so fucking irksome that Valve refuses to touch a lot of it for some reason (despite them being easy changes)

>>717289054
yes.

>let people vote to extend map times again
>allow team switching/spectator again
>allow scramble voting and auto-scramble again
>let people vote for maps during the game instead of at the end, so people don't immediately dump out when the map ends
literally all they have to do is put back the shit they took out, and it's perfect.

If they really wanted quickplay returning to work, they'd need to accompany it with some sort of content update. You'd have to give the long-gone and the potential newbies a real reason to jump in.

I'm just reaching honestly but I'd love to see this game go through one final renaissance and eeck out a few more years of heightened engagement. Despite all the bumps in the road, TF2 has ran the fucking gauntlet and I want it to persist.

>>717269325 (OP)
Why don't TF2fags just play another game? It's dead and been dead for years now, no amount of hashtags and faux campaigning will revive it

>>717310654
They're great but at the same time that is my nostalgia talking. It really was a you-had-to-be-there kind of thing.

t. snowplow still feels like a new map and i forgot we had to wait a year or so for it because valve initially thought people would be too stupid to get it

>>717315640
>retarded post
>zoomer brainwormed image
hmm, the text was convincing, but you spoiled it with the obviously retarded pic. I liked the touch of having a non-unix filename. 7/10

>>717316613
I mean if you're looking for a breakdown (breakdown)
>Basically every contemporary "alternative" is just a shittier version of tf2 with less maps and that's not even touching on the fact Class Based Shooters are effectively a dead genre
>TF2 Youtubers have zero redeeming qualities and need to leech popularity out of it
>If TF2 was a dead videogame we wouldn't be sitting here discussing it now would we?

>>717316613
it's not about reviving it's literally just needing valve to fix the shit that they broke for no reason.

>>717316613
I do. I've been grinding age of empires 2 for a year now (depressing a 26yo game is being constantly updated and not tf2), while also catching up with my single player backlog. Doesn't mean I don't want TF2 to return to at least some extent of its former glory. I miss TF2 and at this point it's clear there will never be another game that replaces it.

>>717316613
There is nothing like it.

just play overwatch it's the same thing but better aesthetics and balancing with less toxicity

>>717317513

>>717312170
>can't actually argue against quickplay so he resorts to headcanons to cope

>>717318167
My "argument" is if people actually wanted to play with those "people" they already would be. Meaning a reversion to quickplay is entirely redundant.
Only "quickplay" update I'd want is the old mapcycle files updated.

>>717317513

>>717318271
or you know people want quickplay back because it was an overall system, not your schizo post

>>717319339
>It's schizophrenia to have actually played when quickplay was in the game and to rcognize the same retards who have been demanding that they can take over tf2 for a decade are, in fact, still asking for the same shit.

>>717314783
your opinion on this game doesn't matter

>>717320083
does yours? does anyone's in this thread?

>>717321382
What is? Official Saxton Model?

I will survive!

>>717321382
Tylerbros...

>>717321382
Reminds me of those /vp/ leaks with "[Twitter reposter] is a nigger" plastered all over them. Well deserved in this case, Tyler really is obnoxious.

#BringBackQuickplay

>>717321503
Someone got their hands on a lot of the SFM assets for the later Meet The videos

>>717322796
Interesting.
Well, maybe I'd be more interested if it wasn't annoying to run sfm on Linux, but I suppose it's slightly slightly interesting.

>quickplay
>click one button
>dropped into a server, no prep time, no menus, no bullshit, just plopped onto a server
>team scramble, sudden death, everything's there
>can leave whenever
It was perfect, now you have Casual where everyone leaves at the end of the round.

QUICKPLAY DIED BECAUSE OF PINION ADS GETTING RAMMED DOWN OUR THROATS AND SERVER OWNERS LYING ABOUT WHAT THEIR SERVERS WERE RUNNING TO GET ONTO THE QUICKPLAY WHITELIST

>>717322998
whoa now anon, you can't bring up that people are actively avoiding the servers people are demanding people should be forced into. Don't you know that makes you a nazi newfag? The people that started playing 2018 know better than you

>>717269457
lol, it's funny how much the truth makes people seethe

Buncha sad little uncs that built their personas around TF2 and how "it's totally the last bit of old school multiplayer with dedicated servers," when the truth is they can't operate a server browser to save their lives and need quickplay matchmaking to plop them into those dedicated servers.

>>717317740
Overwatch? Lmao. You mean that game where they gutted half the roster for a glorified PvE mode that landed with a muffled thud? TF2’s still alive despite Valve treating it like an old dog they forgot in the yard. Aesthetics? TF2 oozes style while Overwatch looks like Pixar made a MOBA. Balancing? You're right if "balancing" means nerfing everything into mush and calling it meta. Less toxicity? Bro, OW lobbies have more slurs than a Modern Warfare 2 voice chat.

>>717269325 (OP)
>quickplay
splitting hairs
server browser only or bust

>>717322998
>>717323080
It was set to valve servers only (with the option to disable it) by 2014.
Also it "died" (not really the term but wtv) and got changed into Casual because Valve wanted to "bridge the gap" and Casual was basically meant to be diet Comp you'd go to learn to play/warmup for the real Comp.

>>717323340
During the QP era you could log onto valve servers through the browser.
Nowadays the browser is useless since community servers are dead and ad hoc connections were disabled.

I've always hated quickplay compared to just using the server browser because quickplay still destroys that comfy server community feeling you get after playing on the same server for years

HOWEVER

Competitive is dead, deader than roadkill. No one queues for it, it takes over 30 minutes to find ONE game (and that was the last time I tried years ago)
TF2's player base being in the low end of 10k I would be shocked if there were more than 100 people who actually care about the competitive gamemode.
Which means the entire point for introducing competitive is moot
So nothing is lost by cutting it, it can literally only be a positive

>>717323342
>Okay but we TOTALLY only want it for Valve servers
No you don't, and we're not that gullible

>>717323415
>community servers are dead
Anyone who says this deserves to be filtered. I'm glad that you feel unable to play the game in its best form.

>>717323519
Pretty interested in this, is it the complete map or just a cross section?

>>717323608
>Um tf2 only has 5 players
Opinion discarded

>>717323778
>Okay but we TOTALLY only want it for Valve servers
Correct, for the most part
>>717323805
For vanilla TF2 it's basically just skial faking their pings (inceltopia isnt vanilla tf2). There's castaway too now which is doing fine from what I've heard, but vanilla TF2 in community servers is mostly dead. There isn't an ecosystem like there used to.

>>717324194
Anon if you're gonna bullshit like this at least admit that matchmaking was originally added to the game because compfags and youtumors thought it meant they were getting administrative status and they were gonna be allowed to ban maps and weapons from the game at any point.

>>717322936
Go play a community server with scramble, auto balance, team swap, spectate, 45 minute match timers, and map voting then figure out why it's a shit design. I won't explain to you all the ways a faggot would abuse the rules.

>>717323608
Nobody wants competitive mode to get removed, it's harmless. Casual mode, which was introduced in the same update and replaced quickplay, is the real problem.

>>717324194
>For vanilla TF2 it's basically just skial faking their pings
Nah, that's just you being a casual that's been trained to only look for the biggest names and be the laziest about ever actually joining a server. There's plenty of servers with vanilla settings and even vanilla map cycles, you just gotta break away from being a matchmaking baby that relies solely on the "big guaranteed thing," whether it's matchmaking queues or only using the "recognizable" names for servers.

See, the cool thing about community servers is that they're hosted by individuals in the community, not just by individual big sub-communities or e-celebs. Don't be worried about joining those individuals, they want to have fun with (You)!

>>717319421
yes since you made up a scenario to get mad at, that really ignores the major reasons people want quickplay back

Being able to pick the map you want to play in casual is horrible because it just leads to playing the same retarded maps every time instead of having variety.

>>717326162
It also means that if I want a different game mode I have to exit the match I am in to play it instead of it being in a regular map rotation.

>>717325352
I dunno if it is a me thing with my server browser settings or not, but these are the only ones that server browser brings up. I could try and use the empty ones, but it doesn't mean much if I'm the only one on a server.
There are good servers here, I do enjoy some of them, but there just isn't a good no fluff vanilla servers with regular map rotations.

>>717271195
>Which did an abysmal job and put you on a server filled with ads and bots 9 times out of 10. STAR did a whole video on it.
This shit is NOT true

>>717271195
>Muh out of date youtuber video.
Can you post-mym kids sit down and shut the fuck up.

>>717292552
>it didnt accomplsh anything
>changes actively applied to TF2 upon community getting riled up.
>This years summer update had noticeably less garbage
>Huge fucking MVM update this year.

Unfortunately for you retard you are factually wrong. God Bless the single man still managing this game.

>>717328605
>Australia
Criminals don't get to play TF2

I still hate those nigger servers that purpose spoofing their ping to fuck with me.
Valve used to ban their ass pulling this shit but now they don't.

>>717269481
The only good post
>>717269809
>>717270785
>>717270910
These subhuman apes don't play the game, and ironically were the same people advocating for #savetf2 because their favourite youtubers said so on twitter.

Useless people always want to be apart of conversations in a community even if most of the time they're being counter-productive.
>>717273381
Quickplay isn't a matchmaking system in the modern sense, it tosses players into populated servers which would stay populated for long periods of time, without interrupting the core gameplay loop of TF2. Quickplay simply circumvented the community browser's UI.

>>717286810
>>get dropped into botted P2W server with ads and 5GB of custom content

oh my god you retard, quickplay got changed to not send you to community servers by default

>>717329272
>>This years summer update had noticeably less garbage
maybe cosmeticswise but aquarius and demolition are genuinely some of the worst maps currently in the game

>>717279195
>daily peak
literally nobody is playing 24 hours a day, its over a hundred thousand players daily across the world

>>717311804
>randomly fucked
>only get switched if you die when players are needed
>end up immediately respawning and getting to play faster
i like being swapped, i get to exploit the weaknesses of my team that i have observed

>>717276962
No, plenty of people said this. MyM was supposed to be the update that would "save TF2" and bring it into the modern age.

What nobody wanted is what Valve actually implemented.

>>717333713
Exactly. People still cling to this idea that TF2's population is some ghost town just because they don't see full servers 24/7 in their specific region and mode. The international playerbase is massive and consistent, and just because they're not all funneling into Valve casual like clockwork doesn’t mean they disappeared. Most of them are bouncing between community servers, MvM tours, or custom maps with their little group. It’s not dead-it’s just not centralized.

>>717269325 (OP)
zesty is gonna drop an abridged version of that meet your match video he uploaded a few months back in around october allegedly.
i think this is a near useless endeavor because whoever wasn't already convinced by a 4+ hour straight video filled with truth bomb after truth bomb, is never going to convert to the other side no matter how hard you try. whoever was either not willing or not autistic about tf2 enough to give an honest ear to all the 4hr+ reasonings in the first place is probably the same person who would disagree on such reasons based on entirely unrelated arguments and principles.
its on the same level of absurdity as trying to teach a mushroom to walk, you will never reach a person who cut off their ears just to stop listening to you specifically.

Any hidden tranny shit on the new maps like they did on the previous ones?

>>717274560
if these guys can push something out then anyone can, open fortress/TFC are taking a while because they have custom content in them

>>717336681
Yeah yeah, the problem totally is annoyingfag47 made his video too long and all 4 people who play tf2 couldn't handle his fax and lawgic. Not that he's an obnoxious fag that nobody likes and is just straight up wrong.

>>717336681
doesn't matter because the people already agreeing with him will watch it again and he gets a paycheck

>>717334149
No the rhetoric was that it would turn TF2 into an esport and that people didn't know that they wanted to play competitive.

Everyone hated quickplay when it was introduced.

>>717343101
no they didn't fagtron

>>717269325 (OP)
>try doing a contract and forced to play in Casual
>wait 10+ minutes for any match
>said match either never fucking ends because it's a stalemate or it's a one sided stomp that ends in 30 seconds

>>717343736
TF2 would be greatly improved if they dropped casual match making, brought back quick play, and made all the contracts dependant on competitive match making.

>browse community servers
>literally every single one is some x10000 2fort or highertower gimmick shit
I just want to play the actual TF2 without casual's nonsense rules

>>717316613
i do play other games (and mostly have hobbies besides vidya really) but i always end up coming back to tf2 at least to fuck around for a few games every other week because it's still pretty fun

I always used the browser and don't think I ever used quickplay. Is this some F2P fag thing

>>717344629
It's an Involuntarily Singleplayer thing.
Something that's more retarded than ever now since if you actually want to play a user server you can just use the Create Server button in game and ping your niggas to play a game of tf2.
Retards that nobody want to play with want Valve to force people to play with them.

>>717321382
it is incredible how NO ONE like Tyler McNigger

>>717345182
Is it?

>>717345235
a little, even the shittiest lowcows have some one who likes them even ironically but not tyler. People just endure his videos in hopes on news from valve and that is it.

>>717322591
>Reminds me of those /vp/ leaks with "[Twitter reposter] is a nigger"
so based

>>717341843
>>717341920
Seething emporiumfag

>>717343956
>comptrooning in 2025

>>717345557
>I made a 69 hour video seething that nobody likes me or wants to play with me but you're actually the one that's seething

>there are now unironic tf2 leftists working from the shadows to ruin the game for profit and employing full on jew strongarm tactics to silence dissenters
I drop the game for a decade and this bullshit is what i come back to?

>>717346991
A decade ago youtubers were crying that people need to be forced by Valve to play how they want, a decade later youtubers are demanding that people be forced to play how they want.
Nothing changed and if you were around a decade ago this would be obvious.

>>717269457
this. use the browser.

>you lived long enough to see people defend and do historical revisionism for quickplay
We're never getting a good, community server focused multiplayer game ever again, are we.

>>717347565
I mean yeah you're probably never going to undo the google holocaust, but if you actually wanted to run a TF2 server it's quite literally never been easier with steam multiplayer and the workshop.
Basically all you need to know how to do is make a mapcycle file and ctrl c ctrl v the workshop ids for maps.

>>717347565
people defend quickplay because it was way better than the current MM
and people still want something besides the server browser because they think that if valve drops official servers it means they fully 100% abandoned the game, and honestly would that really wrong at this point? in the current day there kinda has to be at least some manner of official servers right?

>>717345781
Comp is fine when it's not predicated on fucking up the game for everyone else.

>>717347565
zoomers are the shittiest generation since baby boomers

>>717347707
Oh, well and also how to use the BanID command to ban the bots tf2 youtubers are using to attack user servers since they legally can't target Valve ones anymore.

>>717347565
>HEY GUYS LOOK AT ME I’M SUCH AN OLDFAG LIKE YOU I HATE EVERYTHING THAT CHANGED WHEN I WAS A KID-I MEAN A YOUNGER ADULT/TEENAGER WOAH DON’T YOU HATE CHANGE TOO? I’M TOTALLY NOT A NEWFAG TRYING TO FIT IN!
Ok

>>717321382
Where are these leaks coming from?

>>717348821
>worships corporations and thinks they're his friends
>spends more time watching streamers than playing videogames
>speaks in ebonics and dresses like a hood rat
>has a meltdown if someone says faggot or retard
>computer illiterate despite being raised on an ipad
>can't pay attention without being flashbanged every 5s
>irony poisoned and thinks anything sincere is 'cringe'
>thinks GaaS, 10+ year dev cycles, gacha and always online drm is normal
>has zero critical thinking skills and just regurgitates eceleb opinions

>>717349545
>If you don't worship my youtube dad nobody likes you worship Valve and the emporium

>>717346991
>there are now
We already had them ages ago, they were forcing ads through Pinion onto everybody in server MOTDs and extorting people for donations while being just vanilla enough that they were allowed into Quickplay's vanilla server whitelist. It's the whole reason Quickplay died. They weren't leftists, /pol/brain, they were cunts.

>>717344167
Your only real option is The Furry Pound.

Yeah.

It's always been like that. The only time vanilla servers have been plentiful and good is when the game cost money and could be pirated. Pwndora's Box was a pirate-friendly cluster of 2fort and derivative 2fort servers, as I recall.

>>717347565
>revisionism
way to out yourself as a newfag

>>717351325
pinion ads

>>717351014
>furfags have consistently one of the least shit tf2 servers since 2008
>For some reason performative newfags insist on saying it's all surprising the fags who's sole motivation is wanting to bone renamon have a good game server.
It's like when people get surprised at how little retardation there is with e621's indexing and tagging.
You know, other than troons tagging shit wrong and immediately getting b&

>>717329272
>>changes actively applied to TF2 upon community getting riled up.
firat point and already lying, sure volvo surely chabged everything because an autist cosplayed as scout outside a building and nor because the bots were spamming links with illegal shit, something that would actually get valve sued
>noticeable LESS garbage
not only are the next tso points irrelevant but also stupid
that mean its still filled with garbage, particularly the maps and other cosmetics, and all thanks to that shithole full of nepotism and transexuals
>MVM update
community update and nothing new since it was already done in the past and looking at the record of updates the community has put out its more than likely going to be hot garbage too

kill yourself

>>717329272
Nigger the only thing that "happened" was incel dane leaking deadlock and tftumors being legally compelled to stop being bothosting niggers.
And for the record no they don't deserve credit for that.
Nor do they deserve credit for vscript or the summer update (Which they immediately started crying because it wasn't nerfs)
Valve has wanted it to be less shit to add new game modes ever since they patched the Health counter to dsiplay values higher than 3 digits for Versus Saxton Hale.

There's a spy creeping around here!

>>717322998
>>717351345
>the water slide in the park is installed by the water slide company
>the pool is built and maintained by the community, decent clean water to splash in
>use the water slide and land in liquid shit
>turns out that, at random, retards come in to drink the water with comically oversized straws and then fill the pool with liquid shit, and you have to beat them up to stop the pool from becoming shit
>blame the water slide company for building the slide that landed you in liquid shit
>DON'T choose to beat up the retards, instead go and slide down again hoping it's water this time
>land in liquid shit again and continue blaming the water slide company

>>717353131
>THIS TIME
>WILL BE DIFFERENT!

>>717349775
Hit a nerve?

I want Quickplay back because it means Valve servers will be in the server browser again and I can connect that way.

>>717346274
Vipes is still alive, emporiumfag.

I can't be the only one that's noticed that not only do all the anti-quickplay people seem to have no clue that it was updated to deal with the pinion shit in 2014, but haven't the slightest clue how matchmaking works.

genuinely what the fuck is emporium
does this retard actually think anyone knows shit about him besides the fact he's an obnoxious e-celeb shill who refuses to buy an ad

>>717354006
Nobody cares
Everyone knows this shit is just to try and force people into your shitty servers that everyone is actively avoiding
Nobody is fooled by your sales pitch that this totally has nothing to do with that and will magically make Valve servers better for some reason.

>>717353131
how about i blame both, the server owners for being fat lipped retards and valve for not doing cursory checks on everybody in the whitelist

>>717354076
Some fags that bot the TF2 workshop to get their shit in cases that nobody will pay to open.

>>717343557
Yes they did faggot.

>>717354076
>>717354172
You two seem upset. Bothosting not going well?

>>717355658
>I'll try projecting being a bothosting retard
>It makes sense for the tards that get paid regardless of what server they're on to attack user servers right?

>>717354172
Who pissed in your cereal?

BBQP

>>717325352
God you're so dense. More than half of my hours on TF2 are on community servers, but my favourite servers closed years ago.
The community browser is a wasteland for vanilla TF2 in 2025.

>>717354172
>will magically make Valve servers better for some reason.
Valve servers during QP:
>More balanced because of team scramble
>Can play against your friends because of team switch
>Can play up to 45 minutes with the option to extend being voted DURING THE GAME
>Can join through the sv browser and steam pages if you wanna join with a friend thanks to ad hoc connections
>More diverse map pool and gamemodes
Valve servers during Casual:
>Wait for the matchmaker to find a suitable match
>Wait for the pre round timer while the sv fills (usually won't and you will play with "Player lost connection"s and "Joining the server"s who seem to never fucking join.
>Now the game begins, it's a stomp, either because one team is full of "Joining the server"s while the other has more actual players, or because of skill gaps, whatever it is, it's not gonna get balanced
>Second round goes and it's the same
>Server ends because Casual servers only last 2 rounds (which means everything not being payload or dustbowl gives you 10min of playtime or less), you're forced into a map selection screen where everyone leaves to requeue.


>Valve servers weren't better eith QP guise

>>717359659
Yeah yeah yeah and every player had scorching flames orbiting earbills Max's heads fly out of their asshole. eat my shorts you assclown

>>717360637
>45min timers were never real
>team scramble was never real
>team switch was never real
>map voting ingame was never real
>ad hoc connections were never real
KYS contrarian

They are bringing back QP for the 10th year anniversary of casual.

>>717360637
>every player had scorching flames orbiting earbills Max's heads fly out of their asshole
and how is that supposed to be a counter argument to the quickplay?

Oh how I miss you ad hocs...

Does /v/ prefer alltalk or no alltalk?

>>717358338
>but my favourite servers closed years ago
One server closes, 5 more take its place
But you whine because you're an autistic child that doesn't want to look for one
Your entitled whining leaves you rightfully filtered
Simple, as.

>>717365060
Alltalk destroys any sense of team play but it's way better for actual server communities to have it on than not

>>717333879
>if you die
except I had multiple occasions where it just kills me and swaps me to a team, a team that still has multiple empty slots because of the retarded system casual now uses

>>717365417
>One server closes, 5 more take its place
Not true, Pinoccio. Anyone can check the community browser and see how much of a wasteland it is for vanilla play. Why lie?

>>717333713
except that video showcased multiple accounts that are playing it 24/7

Before MyM
>Want to play on a specific map, lets say cp_steel
>Pull up the server browser
>Search for Valve cp_steel
>Join a server instantly and have fun for up to 45 minutes
>Even if no Valve server running cp_steel is populated, you can just join an empty one and wait a few minutes for quickplay to start putting people in

After Mym
>Want to play on a specific map, lets say cp_steel
>Sit in queue for 2 business days
>Join a half empty server (not enough players to populate 120 maps)
>Play an unbalanced shitfest for 5 minutes
>Match ends, people vote for a different map

Anybody that defends Casual deserves the rope

>>717270785
Auto-balance in Casual can send you to the other team even if you're in a party so that point is retarded. And because you can't switch teams at will you're basically FORCED to leave the game.

>>717367639
no revisionist chud you couldnt play da game b4 casual you'd be given ads n shiet!!!!

>>717269325 (OP)
Enable sprays by default will save TF2

kill valve servers because I only play on community servers
>hurr no you don't community servers are dead
not the ones I play on

>>717283005
>>Maps are switched after a 45 minute timer, map votes can happen mid-game or the current map's timer can be extended.
>>Allows votes to scramble teams if things are too one-sided (or auto-scrambling in the event of consecutive one-sided games).
>>Players could join the other team or enter spectate mode whenever they wanted if it does not mess up team balance.
Thinking back on it, I think this is why I remember the pre-MyM as a more comfy period, it almost felt like being in an arcade. Recently I think I've spent less than 3 minutes on ctf_sawmill because the intel was captured so quickly then you're disrupted to the home menu. It's very anti-community and because you're given so many opportunities to simply press "Cancel" and quit the game I'm curious if this had an impact on player retention. I do remember spending a lot of time, an entire day on 1-2 maps but I don't remember constantly being thrown out and rejoining. I have vague memories of those days but of casual, nothing really, it's just a get in then get out life.

I guess in the end it isn't as much the return of Quickplay but rather the removal of MyM's Casual; Quickplay was simply a more simplified arguably user friendly server browser for valve servers(in the later years at least).
God, why does everything have to become shit and so anti-human?

>>717322998
YOU COULD JUST ONLY QUEUE INTO VALVE SERVERS YOU NIGGER, WHAT YOU ARE SAYİNG IS NOT A PROBLEM. STOP TALKING ABOUT TOPICS YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT.
ACTUALLY KILL YOURSELF YOU MISINFO SPREADING NIGGER THE WORLD WOULD BE BETTER WITHOUT PEOPLE LIKE YOU.

>>717370694
>so what if all the community servers in quickplay's whitelist were trojan horses, you could just play valve-only servers!
mate, what?

>>717371113
If nobody used or cared about valve servers, this thread wouldn’t even exist.

>>717360637
What the fuck are you talking about. You obviously haven't touched the game while quickplay was a thing, not a single thing that anon listed was an opinion it's actual features the servers had back then.
PLEASE kill yourself and stop ruining my hobbies by existing.

>>717371284
not what anybody's talking about, quickplay was horrible midway through its life because of knuckledragging mongs lying about what their server software does to try and extort players while getting onto the whitelist. it died because community servers were being huge niggers and abusing the consistent player influx and turnover to try and profit off of it.

>>717371113
You cocksucker you can just make it so it only lists valve servers, no "trojan horse" server would show up because it only listed official valve servers.
I know what you mean by those servers and I barely ever ran into them and I played tf2 religiously up until mym happened.

>>717371113
Holy newfag. Dude, in 2014 it was changed so that you could, if you wanted to, only join Valve official servers. And once you were there even if the map was changed, in the ingame vote that doesn't happen after 1 round ends btw, you were still in the specific Valve server.
Why even be so disingenuous, is it the only joy you find in life?

>>717286810
see >>717283005

>>717269809
does this guy not know that there's a 1-player limit before teams are unbalanced and it doesn't let you join the team that already has more players?

>>717370138
>kill valve servers because I only play on community servers
sure, since you don't care about valve servers, you don't have a worthy opinion on the subject

>>717371716
I think he's confused on how that's supposed to mean Quickplay was good if you have to lobotomize half the feature out because it's full of people trying to frisk your wallet

>>717365060
Alltalk at the start and end of rounds, or if below 10 players or whatever.

>>717269809
>I also like the shorter games
go play something else you cocksucking faggot. goddamned ADHD-riddle subhuman trash.
god I fucking hate redditors so much. they're always subhuman retards who can't handle even the slightest adversity.

>>717269325 (OP)
I'm I out of my fucking mind but is the casual we've had since like the Blue Moon update not just the exact same as quickplay without the community servers? If you wanna hop on those kinda servers then just do it yourself, why the fuck do you HAVE to need a button taking you there like you're some fat ass from WALL-E, I swear I don't understand you people

>2018 fags screaming and sharting about how a version of the game they never played was so much better being sold to them by fags on youtube that never touched the game before it went free to play that have spent the past decade trying to get any actual people to tolerate them.

>>717372820
It isn't, and it has never been. The only time you'd be able to sit in a single populated casual match for 45+ minutes, like you consistently could in quickplay, is if you queued a stalemate map like 2Fort or Hightower. Otherwise you see half the server depopulate because the it reboots on the same map for no reason.

>>717373123
We are playing two very different games I guess

>>717269325 (OP)
> Keep buying the hats and perhaps we will make a difference

>>717372820
see >>717283005 for why casual fucking sucks.

>>717372820
Valve servers have a completely different ruleset in Casual than they did during the QP days. The games only last 2 rounds, which leads to 10 minute games before you have to requeue, among other shit like no scramble, no switch, no ingame map voting, no spectating, etc.
Quickplay worked with ad hoc connections, it would just quickly throw you into a low ping valve server with all those features i just mentioned. Casual works with a hidden MMR (the badge is cosmetic and doesn't do anything but yes, casual DOES indeed use an MMR system that's hidden from the game but you can find in your steam profile), which takes longer and usually does a terrible job, leading to a lot of games being 10v5 while people are in a permanent state of "Player found joining" or worse "Player lost connection" which takes up place in the lobby. This leads to casual matches to be short, soulless stomps where people disconnect after 5-10 minutes when you're forced into a map select screen.
And if you want to play with friends you have to use a terrible party system that ALWAYS forces you all in the same team.

>>717373103
>so anyway yeah, casual rocks

They don't need to bring back Quickplay, they just need to fix Casual matchmaking with several tweaks.
>Remove like 80% of the maps from the pool, have the selectable maps be the top 5 most played (Badwater, Upward, etc.), and like 10 slots open for random rotation every week. From there you can keep the checklist system to not queue for maps you don't want. This funnels the playerbase into 5 staple maps and 10 random maps to choose from.
>Replace map vote and server change to an RTV. So if the people currently in the server want to play a different map, they can call an RTV vote and change to one of the other maps available. If not, they'll just keep playing Dustbowl or 2fort or whatever the fuck until they're satisfied. This system means that players who join the game first actually want to be there (having selected the map) AND can change maps if the rest of the server is feeling it.
>Team Scramble happens at the END of a round if last round was too one ended.

>>717373421
>And if you want to play with friends you have to use a terrible party system that ALWAYS forces you all in the same team.
except for those times when it doesn't fucking work at all.

>>717283005
well don't worry, they lowered it from a 30s timer to 15s timer for choosing the next map. they didn't fix whatever bug prevents voting at all, but I assume that'll never happen.

>>717373527
Casual can't be fixed, enough with this nonsense.
MMR doesn't belong in Team Fortress 2.

>>717373246
>>717373421
Like how so many of the points are either complete bullshit or things I flat out disagree with, maybe its me I guess. Like for one, the whole elo balancing stuff has been completely broken for years and flat out doesn't matter so I don't even know why we're even bothering with it. Like I'm getting fully populated servers most of the time, with almost every single one of it having no indication of MMR mattering whatsoever. Disconnects and soulless stomps were still there during quickplay days, we're just high on nostalgia here.

>>717373518
Yeah casual does rock, I click on Steel I get a quick match, or I hop in my server and ping my steam group because I'm not a cockmongling faggot that people can't stand screaming that the state (Valve) has to force people to like me.

>>717373806
Casual DOES use the MMR. And stomps used be to be fixable with team scrambles, now there's only autobalance which takes forever to take place and barely matters because the games last 2 (TWO) rounds, before you're forced in a select map screen where everyone LEAVES. If you stay, enjoy your 7 player server.
>muh nostalgia goggles
Yeah this is the main argument of casual apologists, a load of nothing.

>>717373806
>we're just high on nostalgia here
Like 99% of everyone crying about quickplay's return either never played TF2 pre MYM and most of the ones that do don't give a fuck enough.

>>717374323
>Casual DOES use the MMR
Not in my games, I'm tier 8 and almost every single one of my lobbies are scrambled with every tier. There's MMR on casual mode for a lot of games and TF2 just isn't one of them. I can say for sure though that it existed on MYM's release but over the years whatever system they had faded, probably intentionally as the game was losing players.

>>717373806
>I'm getting fully populated servers most of the time
what region? what maps? I'd believe you if this happens in the US, but Europe? fuck off, I feel lucky when the casual finds me a half full server for an unpopular map after a 5 minute wait

Reminder Casual was the main culprit behind the bot crisis.
Anyone who vows for Casual objectively hates the game.

>>717374631
Yeah US East. Maybe it's just a server thing I guess with the game dying and all, I've been seeing a lot of euro players on NA ping because they can't find populated servers in their region anymore.

>>717283005
It should be noted that during map votes, if you pick to play on the same map, you still have to leave and join the server as if a new map was voted on.
It honestly fucking baffles me how this shit system is approved by faggots like Uncle Dane.

>>717374490

>>717374490
This is my last (You) because at this point it's obviously bait, but in case you're actually this retarded: Badges aren't your rank, your rank is in your steam profile, I literally told you this in my previous post. You check TF2 in your profile and it's on your personal game data.

>>717374710
>Casual matchmaking FORCED TFTubers to run bots if Valve just forced people onto our servers we never would have had to run bots
You lost and can't run bots on official servers anymore by the way.

>>717375031
Well I've been on steam for 13 years with over 9k hours in TF2 and yeah nothing changes.
>>717374919
I honestly think this broke the MMR because I know for a fact it was working before it

If you even know wtf this is you're a schitzo and going against the spirit of casual tf2

>>717374740
>Yeah US East
figures, I think there's just too many server region options for Europe, and it really fucks with the matchmaking system

I just personally dislike the stop/start nature of the casual queue.
>Play a round (or two if it is a map that swaps sides)
>Have to wait for map voting (Which they have reduced)
>Have to load the map again if it is the same one because ????????
>Have to wait for pre-match countdown (Which may extend if people leave)
>Finally get to play again

Revert all weapon nerfs and I will come back to TF2
I fucking hate that they catered to compfags for it and ruined the game

>>717375068
schizo

>You now remember being able to access valve servers via browser.
>You could even blacklist them.

>>717375365
Wait your Match

>>717375569
If I'm a schizo then run bots then, there's nothing stopping you apparently, you can force the 14 people that play tf2 in Valve matchmaking out to play on your server that does all the shit quickplay does.
Go ahead, do it.

>>717375365
The frustrating thing is that Valve doesn't even need to revert quickplay to fix a lot of that. Just type "mp_timelimit 45", add back the map extension vote, and you're good to go.

Why does nobody talk in casual? It feels so soulless, f2ps were ummuted like 2 months ago and it still is like this (and it was like that before f2ps being muted anyway)

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The worst thing about casual is how the games only last two rounds. Finally got a game of steel and you really love steell? LOL, you're going get rolled in 4 minutes of gameplay and go back to the map vote!