https://youtu.be/FNkwxlLdkSo

Talk about SKG

Do people really expect multiplayer servers to be on forever?

>>717275113
no, but it's good money if you make people to think that people expect that and make videos and other merch to sell

>>717275113
>wtf is private servers hurr durr

>>717275113
yes
the german farming sim players will literally drive you over with a tractor if your lineage doesn't keep the servers up for generations to come
now get back to the server-rack mines, wagemonkey

>>717275201
anon you're falling for bait...

>>717275113
Nigga, there's quake servers up right now.

>>717275113
I literally just want to be able to launch my ALWAYS ONLINE game so I can play it solo or host peer to peer games, I don't need them to run servers forever like you retards keep baiting.

>>717275113
>Do people really expect me to not derail one of these threads again?

>entire year for lobbyists, morons and patsies to torpedo it
meanwhile few grannies can accomplish immediate results with phonecalls
gayest timeline

>>717275113
Yes. Voobly kept AoE 2 alive only fags let their games die.

qrd?

>>717275904
jews lost this battle but not the war

German here. You can thank us for carrying the Initative.

>>717275113
As long as the creators never run out of mana we'll be fi-

>>717275113
Troll or retard, either way that's not what's being asked. What's being asked is for there to be a way to run private servers (which is already enabled due to devs needing to be able to run a local server when working on the game) or to have the ability to run the game offline. This will only affect games which release AFTER passing any regulation and it will need to be considered when planning the product.

It's actually unreal by knowing Ross by his upload schedule prior to this how he genuinely didn't need to do all of this and did anyways since he felt obligated to. I think he might be one of the last real niggas left on YouTube who is making genuine videos. I don't really see him as someone that a lot of these actions would even impact because it seems like he sticks primarily to the era of games where this isn't even a concern.
Either way it is good that he is stepping away from this so he can go back to uploading 4 Game Dungeons and one Freeman's Mind a year. Plus now the mold jokes can continue.

>>717275113
As long as other people host them, yes
That's the point
Ukikesoft doesn't have to if Bob from Cleveland can

>>717275113
Yes, as punishment for making this argument unironicall6 for 7 months before you retarded youtube babies heard it and turned it into a meme. It was nothing short of a miracle that SKG turned the entire situation around in nothing short of a month and PS had, by then, thoroughly tanked his rep. You joke nigga, but we were meant to fail. You repeat SKG 50 times and we lose 49 of them. So yes, as punishment to PS and the retarded, dishonest, bullshitting industry that did actually make this argument for a week before people (rightfully) started harassing them for being dumb enough to say it, yes, I do want them to keep the servers up for ever, even if no one plays the game for years at a time and you are a cuck if you want any less.

I would take a world where the consumer was that childishly petty 1000x before I take the Tahmudpunk setting that is irl.

>achieved nothing
>got a massive popularity boost
we got fleeced huh?

>>717275113
>mom I posted it again xDDD

>>717276568
Why don't you simply not buy games that refuse to develop the way you prefer?

>>717275570
DON'T POINT THIS OUT

>>717275570
but anon, we're asking the government to do something for us, that always works

>>717277561
fuck off troll

>>717277741
What?

>>717277098
>massive
Bro he doesn't even have 500k subs. Those are rookie numbers in youtube.

>>717275001 (OP)
I stuck with the autistic moldman since 2007 when he did Freeman's Mind for Machinima, I can see I share some of his autism, since he always kept talking about things I cared, and just his way of thinking often clicks to me.

yet another "movement" attributed to "gamers" that is utterly embarrassing and will have me hiding the fact that I play video games from my peers

>>717276123
Lol finland was way better.

>>717276123
I'm Polish.

>>717278846
Finn wolf won

>>717275113
No. I expect that multiplayer games with singleplayer components keep singleplayer components available. Compare- I can go boot up TDU and still play it just fine, even with the servers dead for over a decade; meanwhile The Crew is not just offline, it's not just unplayable, it uninstalled itself from my PC. I have a physical fucking copy of it that I can not install.

>>717279221
>I expect that multiplayer games with singleplayer components keep singleplayer components available
Then why did you sign a petition that doesn't say that?

>>717279315
To shit in Ubisoft's cereal and then watch them get legally forced to eat it anyway

>>717279365
>I signed something I don't agree with, that is less likely than what I do agree with to work, out of spite towards an unfeeling corporate entity incapable of registering my existence in any way
Brilliant.

>>717275001 (OP)
>>717275113
>timestamp
You make it so obvious but people still think skg is legitimately for the gamers.

>>717277098
>Boost
Didnt he go from 15k average viewers to like 4k?

>skg passes
>you need to have a butthole scan taken to download games
Gaming is dead

>>717276123
You personally didnt do shit. Stop taking credit for shit (YOU) didn't do.

>>717275113
No, we are not asking that at all. We are in favor of publishers ending support for a game whenever they choose. What we are asking for is that they implement an end-of-life plan to modify or patch the game so that it can run on customer systems with no further support from the company being necessary. We agree that it is unrealistic to expect companies to support games indefinitely and do not advocate for that in any way. Additionally, there are already real-world examples of publishers ending support for online-only games in a responsible way, such as:

'Gran Turismo Sport' published by Sony
'Knockout City' published by Velan Studios
'Mega Man X DiVE' published by Capcom
'Scrolls / Caller's Bane' published by Mojang AB
'Duelyst' published by Bandai Namco Entertainment
etc.

>>717280309
You guys honestly just sound insanely greedy
>yes I want this company to fully modify the game so only i can play it
No fuck off. I am just going to block europe

>>717279487
Oh, corporate entities do feel. They feel when they are losing money.

>>717280309
>we are not asking that at all
>we are just asking (that but in different words)
you people are clowns, this is just another form of corpo-speak
you're not different from some cunt in a pantsuit saying "we need to touch base to get a top-down view so we can shift the paradigm on a going-forward basis" instead of "we need to talk"

>initiative failed
>ross wraps it up

>>717279487
fitting perfectly in with how much AAA game studios are lobbying against this not because it would directly cost them money but because giving consumers any win is going to make them wonder what else they can ask for

>>717280309
>implement an end-of-life plan to modify or patch the game so that it can run on customer systems with no further support
And who is going to pay for this?

>>717280309
>Additionally, there are already real-world examples of publishers ending support for online-only games in a responsible way
Have you considered paying money for those games and not paying money for games that aren't handled the way you prefer?

>>717280465
>corporate entities do feel
I can only hope you're being romantic and that you don't actually literally believe that corporations are sentient
Because what you just said is stupid

>>717275113
You don't need the company to play multiplayer games.
You can still play multiplayer games from the 90s and 00s today even if the companies are long bankrupt.
It's crazy how zoomers have been completely conditioned that multiplayer can only exist solely through the good will of the developer, or that you can't play it without official matchmaking.

>717280412
>717280563
>corporate shills
they purposefully designed the game to stop functioning without the ALWAYS ONLINE portion, then shut the game down when it doesn't make them money, preventing anyone and everyone from playing it ever again despite it having a singleplayer mode or the ability to host games
if they have servers, they already have a network base that can be switched to function without constantly checking for verification, because that's all it's doing, checking some random server somewhere, realizing it's offline, then preventing you from playing the game you purchased, it doesn't cost them anything to remove that verification

>>717280412
>>717280563
>>717280628
>>717280651
Useful idiots. Please kill yourselves

>>717275425
pirate servers yes

>>717280736
>they purposefully designed the game to stop functioning without the ALWAYS ONLINE portion
>phone-home DRM
hey cool, we're back to "I agree with something different from what we're talking about and don't much care about the details"
If this were just saying you have to disable remote DRM checks if you're taking the auth servers down there would be zero push-back. None.

>>717280848
you are tying your identity to this because you want to feel some level of agency when in fact you are completely impotent
that is a bad idea

>>717280889
I don't think you even know what you're arguing against.

>>717280964
>I have no response
Neat!
You don't know what you're supporting.

>>717280953
What do you gain from defending multi-billion dollar corporations? Truly, what do you gain?

>>717281029
Well explain it to me then, since you seem to think you know exactly what this whole thing means.

>>717280848
>can't arguue, better tell him to kill himself
Simply do not reward business with bad practices by buying their games, and reward companies that have good practices by buying their games. It's not my fault you MUST CONSOOOOOM and therefore need the government to make sure every game is exactly how you like it becuase you can't stop yourself from giving shekelberg money for fucking you.

>>717281132
I have contrarian fatigue

So when are they going to start voting on this then? IDK how the EU works.

>>717281262
>don't give money to business that do what you hate
>UGH IM SO TIRED OF YOU CONTRARIANS
sorry for criticizing chanology 2.0

>>717275570
1 is actual government lasting change.
The other is literally gonna be over in a week with nothing changing.
Visa and MasterCard need regulation for it to be changed permanently

>>717281328
We did. Now they have to count the votes and exclude any invalid ones.
Then, if there's >1M valid votes, the EU parliament must debate on the issue.
We're looking at 3-6 months time.

>>717281483
>1 is actual government lasting change.
May I see it?

>>717281056
I'm not defending multi-billion dollar corporations.
I guarantee you that if we laid my political beliefs next to yours I'd be much further left.
The issue here is that this petition and the people behind it are retarded assholes, and fucking this up does more damage to consumer AND developer rights than doing nothing.

>>717281123
>explain it to me
The petition demands that all games (excepting those with subscription fees, unintended consequences alert) be required to have an End of Life plan. For fully local games and games that only use things like leaderboards and phone-home DRM this isn't that difficult an ask, which is why I said that asking for that would receive no push-back.
You're going to receive a shitload, however, because plenty of games with no sub fee run a significant portion of required gameplay elements on their own servers. And no, my little retard, it's not easy nor cheap nor desirable to safely provide those elements in a way that will run on any client.

>>717280628
I paid for it when I bought the game. You don't get to take my money and then leave me with nothing just because two years passed. Under EU law, a non subscription software license is a perpetual license and videogames are goods.

>>717280656
>If I purposely ignore the second half of the post, I can make fun of it
Unfathomably cringe behavior

>>717281609
unironically what did this poster mean by this
is this some kind of ESL misunderstanding?
"Corporations don't like losing money" is still a stupid thing to say in this context.

>>717281593
>developer rights
Ah yes, those poor downtrodden videogame companies, it's such a harsh industry with razor thin margins, only been making twice the revenue of music and movies combined...

>>717277098
It could have been worse, it could have ended with some Yurop rep half-way reading the proposal and adding a videogame tax
>that's what you wanted, right?

>I'm a retarded slop eating consumer that buys bottom of the barrel GAS garbage because I'm a retarded nigger, please help me goverment

love you ross
sexually
not kidding
for real
IT WAS A JOKE IT WAS A JOKE
siiiike
it was a joke this time
am i joking?

>>717281721
I dont think ross gives a shit about being popular, hes just autistic and likes half life and videogame maps.

>>717281714
Anon, you are the ESL in this conversation if you're unable to understand such a simple post and how it is a relevant reply to this >>717279487
>an unfeeling corporate entity incapable of registering my existence in any way
Note how that post first used the verb feeling

>>717281597
>I paid for it when I bought the game. You don't get to take my money and then leave me with nothing just because two years passed.
No anon you didn't get what I meant
Currently ou paid for the game. Not any end of life dev time
So now all future games have to be more expensive to factor in this dev time

Essentially you are making my game more expensive because you are greedy.

>>717281983
yes
feeling
something corporations do not do
which he said in response to someone doing something out of spite towards a company
something you do when your goal is to make the target feel worse
something corporations can not do
do you follow yet?

look, just say you were being poetic or making a bad pun or something, this is sad

>>717282032
More realistically it just means you're going to charge some nominal monthly or even yearly subscription fee to get around the regulation, assuming it ever materializes.

>>717282171
Okay, you're definitely autistic. Not in the 'haha standard online insult way', the real one.

>>717282373
says the person thinking a corporate entity will feel his spite

>>717282346
Personally my favourite way is going to be charging thousands of dollars a month to spin up a server for a single person that no one else can access

>>717276123
I'll have sloppy sex with (you) for VG day

>block europe from game
>put it on gamepass for euros
Technically you never own the game so this should completely sidestep skg yes?

>>717275001 (OP)
>in the end it was all a grift scam
But I signed!! I count!! IM NOT AN NPC AAAAAAAAAAAH

>>717275001 (OP)
>people in comments unironically calling him an unsung hero and saying he changed history
Kids today are fucked, huh

>>717282773
They are right
He changed history
Not in a good way though
Euros are going to learn that the hard way

>>717282773
>people really think they're sticking it to chaim shekelburg by forcing games to be playable offline and doing nothing about the unending stream of replacement jeets and nogs
It really is over.

>>717282953
>forcing games to be playable offline
They aren't doing that either
You can satisfy the current skg demands in many ways. Most of them are just anti-consumer
Most smaller companies are going to drop europe and pander towards china

>>717281132
You don't get it, its a great idea to involve a government that restricts videogames with gore in them in the development process and force them to make adjustments.

>>717275113
Communists aren't people

>>717275491
>stop derailing my worship of an eceleb

>>717275113
>multiplayer servers to be on forever?
community servers and p2p are a thing

>>717277561
Pirates want "preservation", ie free games. Pirates aren't consumers, they have no wallet, no vote to cast. Therfore they must convince the government that service games are illegal so that they are given their games for free.

>>717283982
>Therfore they must convince the government that service games are illegal so that they are given their games for free.
Meaning they're only exacerbating the problem.

>>717283952
Then why not financially reward the companies making them and refuse to give your money to those who don't?

just don't buy games that don't guarantee things you want to have guaranteed

>>717275001 (OP)
Good attempt, but games will continue to be killed according to schedule.

>>717277561
That has not worked. There's a critical mass of consumers that don't care to be educated in video game practices, and are ultimately apathetic to game servers shutting down. Their apathy and ignorance as well as game companies greed has thrown us into this mess. For example: if things like microtransactions are so unpopular, why are game companies raking in huge profits from them?

>>717284493
>i need the government to control the masses that are too stupid to want what's best for them
Now please apply this logic to something that matters instead of video games.

>>717280848
baitslurper-kun please get a grip

>>717284223
>just vote with your wallet bro!
I think I will instead vote for the consumer protection laws to actually protect the consumer using my actual vote.
>>717284617
Anon you do realize that people are capable of caring about more than one thing?

>>717284493
Sounds like you want fascism and an end to democracy

>>717284728
>I'll just appeal to the government, they'll totally side with me and not the corpos with endless money to bribe them
You are only capable of taking direct action against corpos by not giving them your money.
>People are capable of caring about more than one thing
Who gives a fuck about what you "care" about when the extent of your "caring" is signing a petition? We've been slipping sheets into the goyim opinion box since obama popularized it with change.org and everything has only gotten fucking worse, dipshit. I'm sure if you keep asking nicely chaim will stop cutting off your foreskin and charging you for the privilege.

>>717284979
I found the retard right here, officer.

>>717284979
>just don't do anything
I think I will instead do something
>b-b-but what if it doesn't work
then we get our answer, don't we? If you think it's gonna fail then you shouldn't care about it.
>signing a petition?
Oh, it's this disingenuous argument again. This is an official method of demanding government answer, you know that, I know that you know that, who do you think you're fooling?

>>717285151
>well i can't simply stop paying moishe to fuck me, so I'd better ask the government to make him wear a condom
Sign a petition to stop people from criticizing you.

>>717275113
yes and they are all going to lose money and die for good

>>717276654
I actually worked for Ross for years as his sound designer before he started Dead Game News and he's quite passionate, has endless creative ideas and just needs time and resources to put them on screen. He's felt strongly about the industry a long time but just didn't find it relevant to express in other series.

>>717281715
Yes, developer rights.

>>717285561
Plenty of developers want to see their games still playable after support ends, anon.

>>717284493
>That has not worked
Works in my vidya market

>>717285665
>it's only a right if I agree with it

>>717284493
Have you considered there's a good chunk of people that don't care as much about the "game as a service" model and don't consider them a problem, but an alternative? What, because they are not bothered about it as you are, they are stupid and their choice doesn't count as much as yours, an intellectual?

>>717286782
It doesn't take an intellectual to know these predatory practices are disastrous and nonsensical, and waiting for a perfect victim is foolhardy. Treating something like data as consumable when it can theoretically last forever is retarded.

>>717286782
New anon here adding to this
Games as a service are basically the only ones worth playing imo
I want updates and new content
Buying non gaas seems like a waste of money

>>717287205
Service games aren't predatory or disastrous or nonsensical. You just want a service treated as something else because you want to force it to last forever when it can't.

>>717282415
>autistic retard digs xerself even deeper
lmao

>>717284979
>You are only capable of taking direct action against corpos by not giving them your money
Unfortunatly, most normies don't even know corpos names.
Also, pretty sure that Ubisoft is spending more than is getting back, but Quebec tax payers and Tencent are keeping it alive with infinite money.

>signing a petition
>change.org
Stopkillinggames isn't exactly like a petition, but a government process, therefore it cannot be compared to change.org.

>>717287980
>You can't make them run forever!
Not what the movement is arguing for, please read the FAQ. Not like you're arguing in good faith anyway.

>>717288278
>Not what the movement is arguing for, please read the FAQ. Not like you're arguing in good faith anyway.
The only option is release server code(not going to happen) or run them internally forever
>just make it not need the server
In modern games the server IS the game.
The client is basically just a fancy video render

Great, now make another Game Dungeon.

>>717288520
There's a presentation that was released by an IT and Game Dev that gave other options, and you're full of shit. Keep telling us to leave the billion dollar companies alone, anon.

>anti-skg shills forgot to turn off their bots off
It's done, Clank. https://youtu.be/FTWneI5lT4E

I don't understand, guys

My example is Dissidia Final Fantasy Opera Omnia - the gacha game just shut the fuck down and while I didn't spend any money on it, I had a ton of characters and weapons

I don't understand WHY you're telling me that Square Enix couldn't just let people download the 10GB of the game that needed to be online to play it offline in perpetuity, experience the story, climb the endgame, whatever. Theres NO Way this costs more to do than they made off the gacha in the game. Nobody has explained this to me that isnt "They... just can't!! Ok!!" I don't give a shit that it costs $100k, they can afford it

>>717287205
>Treating something like data as consumable when it can theoretically last forever is retarded.
See, I agree with you there, but that alone does not warrant government intervention; you are not *entitled* to be sold things in the way you'd prefer, specially when there's a whole market catering to your demands for conservation (i.e. GOG)

>>717288681
>but but some nobody said a thing
Don't care
Corpos don't care
You are not getting the server files
You are not getting free shit
You are not getting permanent access
They will spin up shell companies to bankrupt if that's what it takes

>>717289448
So for starters
Each project had Its own funds
When shutting it down that project has basically nothing. So no 100k to make it off-line if that's even possible

And for the first part
The server is the game. Your game client is just a fancy webpage with animations
Exposing the server code makes it more vulnerable meaning for other projects that use the same code or may want to in the future they have to major rewrites or can't use it

>>717280412
>fully modify
Literally just add a textfield and button that you can use to connect to any IP address instead of only the official servers IP. An intern could do that in an hour. It would literally no exaggeration cost 10 bucks.

>>717289496
Imagine not wanting regulations to prevent bread or flour companies from putting in sawdust in their products to pad their profit margins. Things change when you sell products to people, anon. It's called minimum standards. GOG is too small of a market to make a significant difference when the major game companies are dictating industry trends.

>>717288278
Just read the FAQ and they agree service games exist, are normal, aren't predatory, disastrous, or nonsensical. Maybe you should read what this movement is about.

>>717289849
That's not enough for skg
You need to provide server files too
No one wants to do that

Maybe this will get vidya developer apes to stop using outdated legacy server code ala Call of Duty which hasn't updated major parts of their server code since... the first black ops I think?

>>717290180
>comparing videogame conservation to food tampering
Nigger nobody's gonna DIE if Blitzo Boobie Bonanza 2 goes offline. Entertainment is a luxury, not a health hazard.

> GOG is too small of a market
Not an argument. Unless the bigger storefronts are maliciously sabotaging it, the market is working as intended.

>>717282613
At face value yes as gamepass is explicitly sold to you as a subscription service.
>hey microsoft, when do I lose access to halo on gamepass?
>when your subscription ends
As opposed to
>hey ubisoft, when do I lose access to the crew?
>go fuck yourself

>>717291356
Thanks anon
Going to move all our games to gamepass

>>717290694
Too bad. They will anyway. Their options are to pay an intern to do what I mentioned in my last post and to ctrl+c ctrl+v the server files to some file sharing site or lose access to a 3rd of the worldwide market. They'll scream and cry about it, but ultimately settle on option 1 and maybe lose 20 bucks.

>>717291534
No actually
They will just do this >>717291356
Sorry not sorry
If we must we will cut europe out and focus on china

>>717289726
And Capcom easily did it with Mega Man X Dive
Eat shit

Nobody ever died from a little sawdust so just deal with it in your bread.

>>717275365
It’s not bait when it’s the actual counter argument put forth by interest groups.

Ross's autism over game worlds always makes me smile.

Hope this movement crashes and burns, tired of seeing this gaptoothed retard on the catalog. It's enough already

>>717291534
>3rd of the worldwide market
kek, dwarfed by america which is in turn dwarfed by chinks

>>717291958
This is why I don't give a fuck about skg, you faggots turn a blind eye to kikes having you murdered and replaced with niggers and pajeets but pretend some of your vidya being enjoyable temporarily is like having your food tampered with. Disgusting bugmen without the capacity to care about anything but their timewasting electric jew.

>>717280849
Think about what you just said.

>>717293293
hi pirate

>>717293839
>having you murdered and replaced with niggers and pajeets
Huh? Where is that happening? I dont see whites being mass systematically murded?

Game devs really be saying niggerbrained shit like
>we can't be expected to provide our service of monitoring and sanitizing your games and banning anyone for saying mean things on the internet forever
When no one asked for that shit to begin with

>>717275113
>pirate one billion copies of a game
>devs are legally obligated to keep enough servers online for all one billion instances to be active simultaneously
>they go bankrupt
>release my indie version of the game (it has player-hosted servers)
heh, nothing personnel

>>717294537
There's 200 million fucking brown people in the country that do not belong and they commit disproportional interracial violent crime against the whites that built it you scheming kike.

>>717294938
>brown people just existing is enough to genocide the white race
Are whites really this fragile? I thought they were supposed to be superior?

Fuck going through the government. Everyone call and post on social media until Ubisoft relents.

>>717280309
Literal example of why game devs don’t take gamers seriously. Quite arguably the most uneducated consumer sub-base in all of the entertainment industry

>>717297348
Based unreal dev.

>>717294760
>call your movement saving games
>get mad that people expect you to save games

>releases hour long "technical" video explaining how it is supposedly technologically feasible
>turns out it is technobabble that boils down to undoing 20 years of coding best practices

>>717275001 (OP)
Ross won.

>>717275113
No. I demand it

>>717280848
Sorry you can't articulate why you believe something you believe in without gaslighting me.

>>717298134
the people botting votes for the EU iniative did most of the heavy lifting
ofc they'll be invalidated and the petition goes nowhere but it got many more people to respond for some reason which ross obviously didnt expect when making the "skg = dead" vid

>>717275113
do you really think we don't know it's you

>>717298259
cope

>>717297802
I'd say making games into games and not """services""" is saving them.

>>717275001 (OP)
Sure, best case scenario is publishers will need to put in large font "service can end" on service game boxes and marketing material. No exp date will be required since that's an impossible demand. If that aspect miracuously passes because EU is actually stupider than everyone already thinks then publishers will bypass that requirement entirely by releasing their game for free and loading them with in game purchases to make the money back, or using subscription based purchases instead of up front one time payment. At the end of the game's life devs will simply pass server host responsibilities onto Nitrado and your "saved game" will cost an additional $39.99 per month to play. $60.00 even if you buy the 3 mont package and use checkout code I GOT PLAYED.

>>717298703
This is why AAA devs hate the idea so much. Consumers want to buy games, but the companies don't want their business model to be selling games. They want to rent out "services" and subscriptions because it's more lucrative, even though literally no consumer has ever asked for that. Being forced to sell what they're pretending to sell is horrifying to them.

>>717298703
SKG has nothign to do with ending service games

>>717298824
While I'm sure the vast majority of companies will treat this with spite, there will be at least a few instances of companies where some people want to do this, but the c-suit wont let them. This at least gives them ammo to fight back with.
Its insane. Its all so insane. But this will probably do at least some good, nevermind how limp wristed it is.

>>717299103
It is asking for companies to not be allowed to make games sold to the consumer functionally unplayable after they decide official support has ended.
It has nothing to do with ending service games because games are not a service and should continue to function in a playable state after support for whatever "services" the developer is providing has ended.

>>717280412
you think you're entitled to selling something that appears as a product that you own, and then breaking it at any time thus stealing money. you are human shit.

>>717299436
Either way it goes, it's better than doing nothing and it getting worse anyway.

>>717284749
the democracy where no matter how you vote, the elite brainwash everyone with their propaganda and bread and circuses into a stupor then import foreigners to creative a permanent underclass of atomised soulless beige bugmen?

>>717299806
>It is asking for companies to not be allowed to make games sold to the consumer functionally unplayable after they decide official support has ended.
It doesn't do that either. The game remains functionally unplayable, you just get an empty server and they let you see your in game purchases.

>>717300278
SKG does nothing about services ending. You have no clue why you're mad and honestly it's frightening that the grifters got you to fight so hard and get so emotional over this nothingburger.

STOP
SUPPORTING
SKG
WHEN. WILL. YOU. IDIOTS. LEARN.

>>717300851
>SKG does nothing about services ending
?? if you call your product a service and say "sorry but the service has ended" and change a kb of data on some server to prevent the game being played, then SKG does address that

I don't care, AAA game devs should be my slaves and keep the products I bought online forever.

>>717275001 (OP)

This might've been the dumbest campaign I've seen in video games, mainly because I never see the other ones and this got so much traction. Everyone in it looks retarded, the name for it is bad to begin with, and from what anyone explained, it was really predicated on one game, that everyone mentions repeatedly and says it's not just about that one game.

Great for piracy I guess. If they make an offline mode for live service stuff then that means it can be pirated with no issues.

>>717301085
Just checked and a 1/60 populated pirvate server with no possibility of regaining a healthy revolving door of users in an inherant PvP game is in fact functionally unplayable and will never achieve a playable state again. Preservation doesn't work on services.

>>717301335
>it was really predicated on one game, that everyone mentions repeatedly and says it's not just about that one game
It was just an example though?
Like the perfect example?
Tens of millions of copies sold, singleplayer campaign and open world locked to online only, Ubisoft just deleted it from people's libraries.

>>717280412
>No fuck off. I am just going to block europe
tell that to the shareholders

>>717301418
bizarre post

>campaign ends
>immediately contrarian shitposters come out and stand firmly against it

>>717300954
hi Maldvirus

>>717301574
Not really.

>>717301797
just get some friends and boot up the server??

>>717301458

Problem with the perfect example is it becomes the only one. You need messy examples so that it applies to more games.

If Stop killing games applied to all MMOs, all online only games like MOBAS, all online/offline games like Grounded or ARK, then it would make more sense, but it was about specific games that require online capability, aren't MMOs or Mobas, and is asking for the ability to allow for private servers after the official servers go offline. For that, The Crew was one of the only ones that fit the bill, and I'm sure it's not the only one, but I never hear anyone ever bring those up.

>>717276123
>Germans doing anything
Lol, us Finns carried it

>mfw nobody discusses my eceleb in the last 4 seconds

>>717302009
Finn men look like THAT?

>>717298703
The problem is that it's enabling games as services.

>>717301932
It depends on the implementation that the EU decides on, but the goal is to target all online only games. Except very likely subscription based MMOs. Those are probably going to be considered services.

>>717298956
AAA Devs haven't said anything.

>>717301917
You don't even play service games, do you?

i hope there will be another dame dungeon someday.

>>717302183
make a point with an example before hitting post

>I am not crazy! I know he got paid for his time! I knew it was 1216 hours of work. One after Mana Carta. As if anyone would volunteer that much time. Never. Never! I just – I just couldn't prove it. He – he covered his tracks, he got those idiots at the European Citizens' Initiative to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is vague? This? This chicanery? He's done worse. The movie! Are you telling me that mold just happens to grow like that? No! He orchestrated it! Ross! He transported people in a rickshaw! And I platformed him! And I shouldn't have. I talked about him on my own stream! What was I thinking? He'll never change. He'll never change! Ever since Civil Protection, always the same! Couldn't keep The Crew out of The Game Dungeon! But not our Ross! Couldn't be precious Ross! Owning his games! And he gets to be an e-celeb!? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance! And you – you have to stop him! You-

>>717298339
As disturbing as this video was I personally think MeatCanyon went easy on him.

>>717302317
Just say "no" next time.

>>717302896
congrats on not having an argument. must be commonplace for you. proud of you.

>>717302968
Argument was here >>717301418

>>717300954
I stand against SKG!
We can't just stop at killing games. We need to kill gamers too!
Kill ALL gamers!!!

>>717303237
>>717301917

>>717303303
come on, you could be funnier..
maybe try "START KILLING GAMERS"

>>717303332
follow the chain, see what happens

>>717303579
by "service games", do you mean subhuman cattle draining gacha trash like genshin impact that no self-respecting person plays? I assume they update and change the game regularly, but there will come a time when the game ends. Barring the earth exploding, they could take the lazy way and just release it so you can play locally or multiplayer on a server (I have no idea how these games work) on the final patch. or, if they are more prepared and stringent (which they probably arent) they could release a patch archive so people that really followed and enjoyed the game could play any patch they wanted. it's cool to show your kids what you did when you were younger, even if it's getting drained by some mossad-controlled vampire pedophile-grooming game.

>>717275001 (OP)
>wrap up
>nothing was actually achieved yet
If you quit at "well the government is aware of it now" they'll just forget and move on

>>717303873
>(I have no idea how these games work)
That's why saying "no" would have been the honest and correct response to my question.

>>717298102
I'm on the shitter at work and my crap has more value than your post.
"Best practices" is fucking bullshit when the games industry claims they can't decouple the game from the third party services, because that's awful practice in a volatile industry like software, whee changing service providers is a pretty common occurrence. I'm not saying the code is going to work without A service, but to claim it won't work without A PARTICULAR service, then that is just horrific future proofing. There is a reason why legacy code has survived the test of time.

>>717304537
does gershon heebpact run on some proprietary top secret cluster server netcode? i'm pretty sure competent coders and network engineers can figure out how to release these to the public.

though isn't it free? it's not sold as a product, though it includes microtransactions which should count as products. digital ownership is still not even mentioned at all because we vil own nothing.

>>717275113
Don't worry, they will get everything they asked for, but nothing of what they wanted.

>>717305008
Hope you find the answers to your questions.

>>717305916
you too

>>717306052
Already got the answer. It was "no".

>>717306152
you write like a girl in love

>>717275001 (OP)
I hope you get nothing you asked for but everything you wanted

>>717275570
>implying the scapegoat have any power
as expected of a frogfaggot

>>717282848
tiktok gaylord

>>717306452
You'll survive.

>>717306984
>8 minutes to write that to your favorite 4chan poster
*kisses u thru the screen* babe... me and u we can do anything together...

>>717307045
Is anyone here going to talk about video games

>>717307193
ask this awkward gay cunt who wont explain what a "service game" is and how it can't be supported after it shuts down

Maybe gamespy should come back

>>717307193
All over it. See >>717298824 >>717299103 >>717300687 >>717301418

>>717275570
>early life

>>717307528
Takling about what publishers might do in a scenario is not video games. If you're not going to talk about video games then leave.

>>717307774
I'll stay and discuss SKG.

>>717307193
>>717307774
Make me, faggot

>>717275001 (OP)

>>717276123
really? isnt Germany cucked?

>>717281593
Games in the past managed fine. Seems like if it's so fucking impossible to make your game playable, then you fucked up at the very beginning, and I have no sympathy for deliberate attempts at making ones art marked for death for no reason other than pure fucking greed and incompetence.

>>717307774
>talking about what the people who make and distribute games will do to make and distribute video games somehow isn't video games
mmkay, how about you ban every single porn, urinalist, and gachaslop thread first?

>>717275113
Do you at least get paid for this?

>>717275113
THINK OF THE POOR CORPORINOS

>>717302393
>I don't Maldvirus, could you reach into your pocket and tell me what's there?
>
>Could you tell the chat what that was?
>
>A mana crystal...

>>717309838
Okay but for real he did nothing wrong that time.
Just that one time

>>717310124
he lied to everyone and even cast ice armor on himself, come on now

>>717310124
I don't give two shits about WoW classic or dumbass twitch clans but I did stoke the flames because he's a piece of shit and it's obvious he wouldn't react well to any criticism.

>>717310124
nah, you don't ditch your friends.
if you are going to piss yourself and panic that much over dying then you shouldn't play permadeath, simple as.

>>717277741
sneed shill

>>717309708
Updated

>>717311025
Stupid esl image

PUT THE BINARIES IN THE BAG

>>717311690
I think you missed the point anon...

>>717275113
>Do people really expect multiplayer servers to be on forever?
I can set up multiplayer servers for a lot of my older games. This is not something new. This is something that we used to do.

>>717311690
No, he's right. It turns out, Pirate never worked for Blizzard. He was part of a QA team from some temp agency that Blizzard hired to test Diablo 3.

>>717275001 (OP)
>it's been 25 years and the PS3 store is still up and PS3 receives updates.

>>717279820
he lost subs but he could gain more in the long run. hate has grown lots of careers. see Paul Brothers, Assmangrift, Kim K etc

>>717275113
Yes. Not get to work devvie. You got until the initiative goes through to make your game compliant.