Thread 717281576

Half the maps I roll seem to be isolation starts. How's your game going?

>>717281576 (OP)
I can't stop myself from playing LouisXIV any time I start a new map. +2 culture lets you cuck everyone early game and double wonder speed is my fetish

>>717281937
It's only a 50% wonder boost. Creative is a great comfort for city placement and early culture battles in cramped starts. I'm kinda trying to learn to not to rely on it too much but WIllem is my comfort leader.

>>717281576 (OP)
>Germans assigned alone to autism island
A better world than the one we were given

When's the bust for this game, I can't seem to find it

>>717281576 (OP)
with 3 gold you will never have to leave your cozy little island

>>717282753
the bust?

Haven't played Civilization in a coons age. What was the last good one?

>>717282867
The payoff, what keeps you playing as compared to other slow as fuck games like WoW or

>>717282964
VI, although it suffers from a bad art style and its systems turning into a kind of micromanaging mess towards the end. V is also good but had the inverse problem where it's almost knuckle-draggingly simple, probably the best visuals in the entire franchise though. VII is dogshit.

>>717282964
Revolution

>>717282861
Would be fun to try an isolated culture victory but with no marble, even on only immortal, seems a bit of a fool's effort
>>717282964
This one. Although VI isn't horrible but it suffers from the AI lobotomization and 1UPT congestion.

All the spots I want to settle seem to need culture so I kinda want to go Code of Laws before optics but that is a large detour to trading.

>>717283450
>This one
What's "this one"?

>>717283638
4

Oh looks like the incas are just beyond reach in the north

Can you mod civ games to your hearts content? Like, does it have porn mods?

>>717284597
Yes

>>717284761
Uhhh... based.

>>717284597
I don't know about porn mods but there are plenty of total fantasy conversion mods like Fall from Heaven 2 and super autism mods like Caveman2Cosmos. They're generally very moddable.

>>717284597
And there's the civ4chan mod of yore.

>>717281576 (OP)
What are some other menu simulator games that are BORING AS SHIT with lots of menus and virtually no gameplay and no meaningful decisions like the whole 4x genre? Those where autismos and lonely 40's fat fucks click skip turn every 5 mins with lots of loading screens and see no choices given that make difference in any way for 5 or 6 hours? cause I sure love these cucumbersome simulators of hidden numbers and 120$ DLCs and love Creative Dissassembly's unloving engine being used

>>717285265
OOOOHHHH.... What's in THAT?

>>717285317
None of that applies to Civ4. Even a fucking Emachine can still pass late game turns within 10 seconds

>>717285317
>I have ADHD and can't focus on anything for longer than 3.5 seconds
We know zoomnigger, we know.

>>717285523
Nowadays forgotten jokes und very unbalanced stuff I don't think I've ever played a game very far.

>>717285554
It should be fine around 12 turns to optics then we can start searching for some Lebensraum

Oh he popped borders just as I was about to send ships. Doesn't look like he's much ahead.

>playing with resource icons on
I seriously hope you guys don't do this

>>717282476
Financial civs are broken. Damn I feel like playing some more. I go through phases where I'll play for months at a time then stop

>>717290203
I turned off tech trading and it made the game more fun.

Question, do I still have to hunt for all the DLC files for Stellaris if I unlock them using Cream?

>>717290619
Yeah that trait puts a leader instatnly in the upper echelon.
>>717290823
I usually play with no tech brokering and no vassal states as I don't really like them.

>>717290945
Yeah same. Fuck vassal states.
Can't tell you how many times I cut the game short because financial civs across the continent just surpass everyone and the games over. I only play on prince because I'm shit at civ 4 and I've been playing for years and there needs to be some form of min-maxxing. Also installed K-Mod fucking AI is BRUTAL when it comes to war now if you're not prepared.

>>717282867
I had the same question, but after seeing the answer, I wish you had never asked.

>>717291228
Learn to whip a bit and you'll instantly be dancing around monarchy-emperor. I'm not too well-versed with AI mods like K-mod but I think that mekes it so that anyone not friendly can plot on you and probably will.

>>717281576 (OP)
Got double-teamed the moment my war against Sceleria started going well. Managed to finish the spooky skeletons off, but now my forts are falling and I have to figure out how to beat 2 heavy cavalry nations at once.

>>717291629
>learn to whip a bit
I do but maybe not as efficiently as one should. I'm also a scatter brain and not good at multitasking, I try to do everything all at once and end up hurting myself over it. It's brain problem
>but I think that mekes it so that anyone not friendly can plot on you and probably will.
No, the AI isn't schizophrenic like it is in 5. It makes them capable during war, I've had to white peace many times with k-mod, in vanilla I curbstomp them no problem

Now we're talking

>>717292004
Forgot pic, Have 2 scientists to buld astronomy in reserve.

>>717291961
>No, the AI isn't schizophrenic like it is in 5. It makes them capable during war, I've had to white peace many times with k-mod, in vanilla I curbstomp them no problem
To be fair if they see you're weak they will attack much like you would. It breathes life into the game after all of these years.

>>717291685
I never tried a Dominions game because I'm not into fantasy settings. Which should I try?
>>717292093
Why would you trade compass for those techs which are completely skippable?

How's Stellaris nowadays?

>>717291961
Plotting at pleased isn't something that I see as schizophrenic. It's maybe a bit too much of a failsafe against dudes like Hannibal and Brennus who unmodded wouldn't but it also does give them the personality of being agressive but honorable.
>>717292234
I'm trading and traded metal casting there

>>717282476
I can't remember if it's Willem as America or Roosevelt as the Netherlands, but one of those combos is absolutely fucking broken. Wanna say the latter.

>>717292234
I've only played 6 myself. From what I've been told, each game is basically just a big update on the previous one so there's no point playing anything but the latest one.

>>717283450
Nah, even without marble an isolated start makes it easier to win cultural than anything else, as long as you can found 3 religions

>>717292240
Barely playable in MP. Unplayable in SP. They decided to completely revamp the pop system and the AI can't use the new system so it just falls apart.

>>717281576 (OP)
Isolation starts are boring auto wins

>>717292361
Willem normally is pretty broken especially on water maps. Making him the leader of America would just give him worse uniques. Roosevelt of the netherlands wouldn't either too much aside from half-cost lighthouses. But you would lose on the dike which is a brilliant building for games that go long.

>>717292869
>They decided to completely revamp the pop system
Again?

>>717293079
No you won't lose on the dike what am I thinking. But willem alone is far stronger than roosevelt who is decent

>>717293053
Sometimes you find that the other dudes have almost teched rifling by the time you meet them

>>717293339
But this seems like an easy one all the people I meet are kinda cavemen and my island is mostly green

>>717293153
Yep. All in the name of improving performance in the late game. Which is now worse. Because they've also apparently done some performance-heavy adjustments to the AI. The same AI which cannot work with the new pop system. So now the AI implodes 30 years in and the game runs worse.
Maybe in the next 2 years they can get the game back to a playable state again.

Yeah how about no.

>>717293837
Good to know that finally deciding to quit the game was a good decision. Are there any good space 4x games around these days besides Stellaris that try to go with the same sort of scope with alien ruins and whatnot?

AI can't do naval warfare so sea maps are a bit lame to me. Which is a shame, I like islands and stuff.

Is CIV VII still shit?

>>717294649
It's fundamentally shit in ways that DLCs could only fix if they actually erase entire major mechanics. It'll probably go down as the singular worst Civ game.

Well I've got astronomy at a pretty good date.
>>717295202
City building seems to be actually somewhat interesting from what I've seen but other stuff seems to be really lacklustre. Not to mention egregious pricins.

>>717282867
Vidya bust thread

>>717281576 (OP)
use a better template

>>717295325
Should settle another city on the bottom right corner

>>717295926
I am in the process of fully settling my little island now that I've got astronomy and the great lighthouse.

Can you give me beginner advice for Civ4?

>>717296161
Based keep us posted

>>717296192
Slavery is good. Use it. Use it. Generally prioritize food. If you don't participate in tech then turn it off wholesale otherwise the AI will just trade with one another. Other than that I'd need to see more to give anything more specific but do feel free to start a game and post about it.
>>717296358
But I really wanted these fuckers to trade code of laws to me for all this oceanic fish goddamnit.

>>717296713
What map are you playing unless I missed it

>>717297363
Fractal, settings are displayed here >>717290945.
Bit of an interesting dynamic here with boudicca not having met Huayna. Also kinda means that I can freely trade astronomy to him because he already has intercontinental trade routes with me regardless.

Or wait does he since neither of us fully control the passage

>>717296192
More cities is almost always better as long as it doesn't tank your economy. Along with that having lots of cities you should have lots of workers. >>717296161 shows I think 3 visible workers in 640AD, he should have around 20 and his entire island should be colonized by now.

There are 2 primary types of economy, cottage and specialist, while you can hybridize, it is fundamentally better to choose one.
Financial leaders obviously are big on cottages, and Philosophical leaders favor Specialists.
Cottage economy is based on making raw money icons and specialist is based on making as much food as you can and then running lots of specialists in your cities (Representation almost mandatory, Pyramids is huge)

>>717297996
20 workers for 4 coastal and 1 non-coastal cities is ridiculously too much. You'd pay a ridiculous amount of unit cost and die to barbs if you tried that.

Charlemagne seems to be a big boy and in the process of kicking Tokugawa's ass.

4x the brain power needed to play
4x less fun ever had than any other genre

>>717290857
Oda if he neko

>>717298346
Sorry I misspoke, when I said the entire island should be colonized I should have pointed out that he should have 10 to 12 cities and barbarians should not have been able to spawn due to all tiles being visible a long time ago

>>717299990
Thanks now I got my stuff mostly settled and just need to decide who to first kill with cannons and rifles I think

>>717300739
That 1 barb city spawned really early but otherwise I was able to fogbust my isle. I don't think overexpanding before making contact is all too profitable even with the great lighthouse.

>>717300739
But I've probably made many mistakes I won't claim my play is optimal. This woman is insane

>>717300919
Apologies to you also, I wasn't really trying to shit on your game I was just using it as an example. In this case 20 workers might actually be too much, but 15 is would be a good number. The reason you don't think a lot of this stuff is feasible is because your populations haven't grown anywhere near as much as they could if you focused on getting Hereditary Rule so that each military unit became the happiness you probably lack due to low resources, which would allow you to work way more tiles than you currently do, which would rapidly ramp into more unit output, both military, worker, and settler.

>>717301781
Going for monarchy before optics was something that I did think about, but ultimately decided against, maybe for the worse. Would probably need 1 more non-calendar happiness for it not to be worth it and I couldn't really get it immediately through trades.

>>717302160
Happiness is a major blocker for city growth, and being able to effectively ignore the restriction through HR allows you to scale a lot faster than you'd imagine.

>>717303521
I know, it's a big reason as to why I love charismatic leaders so much. Although I haven't really been hitting the happy cap too much which might be a symptom of other problems.

Now I was thinking cannons first but maybe I should try to leverage Frederick's Phi/Org and maybe go all the way to tanks before going on the offensive.

>Civ IV

Everyone ITT is OLD

>>717303880
Yep, cities don't have enough developed tiles to reach their caps, or at least their their effective health caps, which leads back to the need for lots of workers to speed development along.
>>717304723
Wizards don't age anon

>>717287992
>>717290203
I loved Civ IV and put a load of hours into it but I could never get a grasp of beyond the sword, every time I tries to use a corporation it just tanked my economy so I used to disable corpos with mods

>>717305128
I mean, i did get a proper food tile improved for each city as soon is I settled one but from a few past games I do think that my big weakness is worker management from around turn 70 onwards.

>>717305321
State Property and watermills, fuck corps. You can actually make a lot of production and food from them and they are technically more effective than state property, but too much effort that late in the game. I think you want Sids Sushi and maybe Creative Constructions? You can also tank all your opponents by loading them up with shitty corps
>>717305559
More than food tile improvements, you can do the math before founding cities to see their growth potential assuming you'll eventually have enough health to reach 20 pop.

>>717307219
You really shouldn't settle cities with a mindset that 250 turns from now they'll be 20 pop.

What's the best Space 4x right now?

>>717294281
Endless Space 2 is really the only other similar game on the market.

>>717284865
>Fall from Heaven
Damn I remember playing this briefly a long ass time ago. I remember there being a harlequin race. It was neat

For me, it's Archipelago maps

>>717309964
I have no idea why you would do that to yourself pre Civ4 and be forced to stare at 20 something tiles and jack off in isolation for 100 turns before you get to see neighbors

>Civ IV
>An anon just sharing his game progress
Thread feels straight out of the 00s, damn