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haha he so chunkee

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>>717292026 (OP)
Ok, boomer.

>>717292213
great game, I remember picking the redhead girl because ofc I'm going to pick the redhead girl

>>717292026 (OP)
Real life nature mogs the most amazing fantasy landscapes by several orders of magnitude.

>>717292026 (OP)
i feel like you could still have hyper realism in video games and end up with sovl if you actually put sovl into the game and not make it tranny slop
also what is the conversation from?

uhh

>>717292586
>intentionally nitpicking by using a bad game
smartest /v/ user

This argument has always been retarded and only works with that forest example. There is plenty of shit you could do in a movie replicating reality that you couldn't actually do in real life like any historical movie

>>717292573
https://youtu.be/mEUde4P_0tA?si=HzjPYBH8enDvOae5

>>717293359
thanks

>>717292860
that's for posterity
statues are usually made of people who actually really existed
how do you think the sculpter created all those folds in the material to make it look like cloth?

>>717293639
no problem Anonymous

>>717292026 (OP)
i honestly think he was kinda wrong on the part were he says people will want something other than true realism, normalfags do want realism, but easily accessible, they will not go to a forest but will pay to have a realistic depiction of it in their house

>>717293781
i believe you may be talking about something different. Also, stuff like botw and pokemon and fall guys is huge among normalfags

>>717292573
I also feel this but sovl comes from the struggle of overcoming limitations and pushing beyond so good luck doing that today with how tinker toys making games has become.

Video games arent art

>>717292026 (OP)
Everyone leaves out this part

>>717294310
how do we debunk this?

>>717292026 (OP)
Hitchcock didn't play Metal Gear Solid 3. Perfect forest is fine where it is.

>>717292026 (OP)
Normalfags won't care
They see flashy "new" product they buy

>>717294419
Define art.

>>717294491
You're just going to hear the generic lel everything is art phrase

>>717292026 (OP)
An interpretation of something will say more about the artist than a replica of the same thing. The 2nd part of the argument gets a bit lousy dues to its age, but the first part is just plain art history.
Human beings are very good at filling up gaps in logic and aesthetic, so when they're confronted with a piece of media that is decidedly simple, they can fill in with what's "real". With the watcher occupied with that aspect, the creator can fill in with the artistic intent of the piece, which is where they'll deal with the limitations and its purpose. Saying that perfect realism is decadent is essentially saying that whatever you're getting is bare and lacks the artistic intent that a piece with more "gaps" can produce.

>>717294310
He's completely and provably wrong. It's a well known fact that all of the most enduring stories were inspired aesthetically and mechanically from real events in nature and human culture. Take your shit opinion and toss it into the dumpster it belongs.

>>717294543
See.

Tbh you can still search for photorealism and be stylized.
Ghost of Tsushima is clearly one of these quadruple A photorealistic games and the world it's still very much stylized

>>717293884
didn't say they don't like fantasy, but for every single fantasy franchise there's 100 realistic ones, also those are aimed at kids (and manchildren) who tend to ignore believability

Every game trying to do the same thing with same tools are going to look similar

But older games did too, theres console generation "look" to them since they are trying to wow the player but are limited by the tech of the time.

Meanwhile today if you look at different genres you get whatever looking game you want. 2d platformers tend to not look like a modern fps game.
Stuff like cdpr games are trying to accomplish visually impressive visuals but their art direction make them visually distrintive from screenshots. Games with lower budgets cant accomplish the same.

>>717294797
and they still look messy and crappy trying to balance the two distinct artstyles- clair obscure is trying to look fantasy and realistic (in the ue5 way) simultaneously but doesn't excel in either

>>717294310
>completely annihilates indieslop

>>717295114
kek truke nuke

>>717292026 (OP)
you really thought you could sneak dark souls 2's dogshit enviroment in there

>>717294545
But this is not to say that realism can't be imbued with artistic intent as well. It's just that when your media is more limited to what you can actually portray, your artistic intent has to do all the heavy lifting and it will show up more strongly as opposed to something that doesn't leave much room for it.
Sometimes, perfect realism *is* the artistic intent and how you deal with it is what makes a specific kind of media tick.

>>717295065
e33 is tiny game compared to AAA affair where they produce each 3d object to follow that one projects visual guidelines

>Media that requires narrative, visual design, drawing, player expression, set pieces, and creative effort is not art.

>A random spill of paint on a canvas is art.

>>717295396
fair but i still stand by it. i think even an aaa studio would struggle unless they very heavily leaned into the stylized part

>>717296210
just wait for witcher 4

>>717293683
>Artists used to entomb people alive in statues to get their likeness perfect
grim

>>717295920
pretty

>>717295920
Video games share more with common with toys than with actual art.

>>717294310
Because this part is wrong.

>>717295396
>e33 is tiny game
Netease invested more than 200 million dollars in the E33 publisher.

>>717294310
>>717292026 (OP)
Based Hitchcock

>>717296670
so netease didnt invest 200mil on e33 the game?

>>717295920
>depressed anime characters
so creative and daring

>>717296613
as if most art isn't for consumption. go to fucking redscarepod or something

>>717296613
Video games is about genres. Basically Detroit become human is a movie. Metal gear sold is a masterpiece. You can't deny that. And don't forget about VN's and CRPG like Rogue trader and Baldurs gate.

>>717294419
Video games aren't inherently art but there are many, many video games that are art.

>>717294310
>artificial soul called out

>>717294419
Correct

>>717294419
the product of a human putting his soul into making something

Gameplay can evoke a full gamut of emotional responses on its own without requiring someone else to play off of. Thus, gameplay is an art to the same extent painting or sculpting is. Not all games are art, but all games at least contain art.

>>717297178
meant for >>717294491

>>717292026 (OP)
>words words words
nice leftist meme

he assumes that realism would also apply to the content and composition of the world instead of just the texture. it often does but there's no reason it has to.

>>717297254
So yes, video games are art.

>>717292860
thats an idelization, only real in shape

>>717297347
baited nobody award

>>717296613
So, in order to call it "art," you need to limit all interaction and multidisciplinarity in what you are creating? Does it mean that it can't have music, writing, or user input?

>>717292026 (OP)
Plenty of realistic looking games play around with things like lighting and create locations that dont or cant exist in real life. Most people aren't just looking out there window and recreating exactly what they see.

>>717296709
That’s not Hitchcock

>>717292586
we've reached a point where increasing graphics fidelity cannot overcome more sound/elaborate artist craft by default. the 8th gen reached a level of fidelity where a well made product will always look good as a pastiche of reality.

>>717297993
yup, but apparently 8 GB VRAM is "too little" for new devs

>>717292026 (OP)
Readability is more important than anything for a game's visuals. Everything on the right is just pointless noise.

>>717294645
Going through my first playthrough of it on my PS4 Pro and I don't understand how they achieved those graphics with those crazy particle effects without any stuttering or performance issues. But when it comes to particle effects, Horizon Zero Dawn did kinda do the same years back, although not to the same extent I think. The particle effects in Ghost of Tsushima do look great and I love them but they can be a tad nauseating at times.

Yeap

>>717292026 (OP)
The funny thing here is some of these screenshots are from the almost 20 yo Crysis

>>717292026 (OP)
The greatest artists of all time (Michelangelo, Bouguereau) were realismfags, so. But they captured the beautiful parts of reality, in contrast to today's realismfags, who are all obsessed with extreme ugliness. Realismfags need to retvrn.

>>717297006
Video games are inherently art. Even Space Invaders is art.

>>717293683
>statues are usually made of people who actually really existed
You're literally responding to a statue depicting Mary holding Jesus.

>>717298702
>I don't understand how they achieved those graphics with those crazy particle effects without any stuttering or performance issues.
It's called competent devs.

>>717298772
so 'stylized realism'

>>717298924
We need more of those

>>717297823
I saw two episodes of the Twilight Zone so I'm pretty sure that's the same fat black & white man

>>717297823
kek what a retard

>>717292026 (OP)
He's right and it's why I dropped RDR2. It tries too hard to mimic real life.

>>717292026 (OP)
>all of those are ugly
>"GOTCHA!"

>>717297178
I shat on your bed and put all my soul into it.

>>717294310
>we can't artificially try to film badly
Behold, Tarantino's best film.

>>717300004
>>717300040
It’s Jean Renoir you retards.
https://youtu.be/LKCrOLcDbjE

>>717300892
I may not believe it's art, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it is.

>>717292026 (OP)
That's why black and white is Kino.

>>717298904
uhhhh yea, they were real people that existed and God is good