Honest thoughts on Dark Souls 3... 9 years later?

>>717293013 (OP)
Dark souls 2 was better.

>>717293013 (OP)
Dark Souls 2 was better.

>>717293013 (OP)
Dark Souls 2 was pretty good

2 was better by virtue of not being DUDE REMEMBER DARK SOULS!?

>>717293013 (OP)
I'd rather play Dark Souls 2™

>>717293175
literally this
rip dark souls 3

>>717293068
>>717293095
>Dark Souls 2 was better

Explain why.

>>717293175
2 literally is almost as bad as 3 for that shit though. Not only did 2 introduce the fucktarded concept of 'cycles', but they brought back all of the old lord souls, etc
It's just as poisoned with memberberries as 3, It's just slightly less in your face about it. 2 and 3 are easily the worst games From has made since 2009.

Best invasion pvp game on the market now that Lords of the Fallen devs patched theirs out. Fuck Marek and Fuck CI Games.

>>717293013 (OP)
it's pretty fun

>>717293013 (OP)
Great game, the most enjoyable Souls game to replay imo because the bosses are good unlike Bloodborne and its not bloated like Elden Ring and the combat feels responsive and fluid unlike Souls 1 and 2

>>717293013 (OP)
>Base game
Worst Souls game. Elden Ring is the only competition it has (if you don't count the godawful DS Remake), but even then it's not really close at all.
>Ashes of Ariandel
It has one really good boss, and everything else is mediocre.
>Ringed City
Competing with Old Hunters for best DLC in the series. The game would be so much worse without it.
Firekeeper is the worst level up lady, btw

>>717293013 (OP)
Very good game, but with unfortunately weak level design.
Better than DS2 though, just not in terms of cool choices about the order you play through the areas.

>>717293013 (OP)
My fav Dark Souls game by a large margin, the controls and combat are just vastly smoother than 1, 2 and Demon's.

>>717293013 (OP)
Better than Skyim.

>>717293068
>>717293095
>>717293184
Also true.

>>717293013 (OP)
Knight set is one of my fav armor sets of the franchise. It's so fucking beautiful in 3. As for the game itself I like it well enough. Not sure I would call it my favorite though. The linearity makes replays a drag. You don't know how sick I am of the beginning areas. I also feel like leveling is a lot slower in 3 which sucks and makes character development feel like a slog. Going back to FP mechanic also sucks. I preferred the charge system from 1 and 2 more. Spells in 3 feel very fp inefficient and your bar is gone before you know it.

>>717293013 (OP)
Awful rollslop with an uninspired plot and boring grey hallways. Genuinely disliked it for a decade and it feels good to be revindicated now that people start talking about "muh Souls fatigue". I've been complaining about shit DS3 introduced since 2016.

Worst Souls. Walmart Bloodborne that was only tolerated because Bloodborne was an exclusive. All it has going for it today are a few good bosses but you have to slog through a miserable dogshit early game with some terrible bosses to get to them. The multiplayer was decent but mostly just because it wasn't a logistical nightmare like DS2 or BB, it was pretty easy to whip up a character and go invading compared to grinding out cracked orbs or chalice dungeons.

>>717293013 (OP)
I liked how shiny it was

>>717293364
It was built for PVP so red man loves it (he played the actual game once and followed a step by step pvp min max guide

>>717293550
It's in that awkward boat of being the best mechanically but not very memorable. You have fun playing it but don't get msny great memories like with DS1.

>>717293389
>It's just as poisoned with memberberries as 3
It is but it's not directly copying and pasting it, its way more subtle about shoving the member berries in your face and 2 has way more original content in it by huge margin.
Shame they used some retarded animation engine that ruins the game feel because if it wasn't for that it'd actually be better than 3.

>>717293013 (OP)
Mediocre amalgamation of Dark Souls and Bloodborne. Too linear. Heavy emphasis on combat, but the combat mechanics are too simplistic.

>>717293447
>LotF patched out invasions
You're joking, right? Even though I played when the netcode was abysmal dog shit, I still farmed a few fond memories.
>parrying some dual Pieta's sword scrub who wasn't scaled down to my level until he effectively killed himself
>headshotting people with my archery build
>infernal shenanigans

>>717293013 (OP)
I enjoyed Majula aka the hub area in Dark Souls 2

>>717294768
I'm not joking. July 24th patch made PVP "Opt-in" because Twittercucks voted on Marek Tyminski's poll saying Optional PVP is more fun. Looks like these fags never helped support the game post-patch because Steam Charts are showing a decline as soon as the announcement of its removal was made. Now its just a bunch of ganksquads and exploiters standing around farming PVP players.

>>717293013 (OP)
One of the best games ever made. And I still don't know wtf they were thinking with that staircase of 3.5 elite knights outside of yhorm.

>>717293447
I'm going to say it: Elden Ring has better PvP mechanics that Dark Souls 3. I did a lot of invasions in DS3, but eventually you tire of the bread-and-butter 2-hit R1 combo bullshit. Elden Ring has more interesting attacks, combos, pseudo-combos, and a wider variety of viable builds and weapons.
HOWEVER, Elden Ring's actual multiplayer system is irredeemable dog shit, so DS3 is still better.

>>717293550
I personally hate replaying DS3. I've tried and failed at least 5 times over the years. Act 1 is a slog, act 2 is a disappointment, and by the time you get to the real meat of the game your build has already coalesced and it lacks character progression. It feels like a game comprised of nothing but "that part".

>>717295270
That sucks. I have a lot of respect for Miyazaki for sticking to the multiplayer design of Souls after all this time. For the most part.

>>717293013 (OP)
Not a masterpiece to the level of Dark Souls 1, but enjoyable enough. It doesn't break new grounds, it's not DS 1 or Bloodborne, but it's certainly good enough.

The story is a little bit too garbled and many alluded changes to the lore seems like Miyazaki is throwing dart into a wall with a blindfold on. The level design lacks the masterpiece and interconnexion that is DS 1. Yet I can't honestly say it's a bad game, unlike DS 2. There is nothing appealing in DS 3, nothing stupidly broken, or nonsensical level design.

If DS 1 is a 9/10 and DS 2 is a 3/10, then DS 3 is a comfortable 7/10.

>>717293013 (OP)
felt pretty shallow and soulless, dropped it after the tree boss

>>717293013 (OP)
Demons'sS's Souls and Dark Souls 2 SotFS vets hate it because it turned what was once a series about thinking like an adventurer and using your brain to overcome a variety of obstacles and challenges, into just a brainless button masher where you press the roll button at the right time.

>>717293013 (OP)
The only game you can straight up skip in the series, Elden Ring obsoleted it.

>>717293364
Better PvP and bosses didn't scream and move at Bloodborne speeds

>>717297507
>The most gank cave in the DS3 game specifically created to be an ambush vs
>Just a random DS2 encounter where enemies don't register hits
You do realize your video support the allegation DS2 is a stupid gank slugfest where animations don't even work?

>>717298304
>Gank cave in ds3 is completely ineffective because of roll spam
>Gank in ds2 actually means something, supporting the idea of thinking like an adventurer and using your brain

>>717298304
that webm is a lie, guy just pulled a mauler and aggroed every enemy to then record and say the game is super ganky

>>717298304
>enemies don't register hits
Enemies are allowed to have poise
>DS2 is a stupid gank slugfest
Being ganked like that is the consequence of being stupid. Which is the opposite of a stupid gank slugfest.
>animations don't even work
they are working

>>717297507
Why does DS2 look so much better than 3?

>>717293013 (OP)
I liked it.
Midir is still a cool fight.

the best pvp in the series. ds2 babs hated it because you couldn't poise tank your way through everything

>>717293013 (OP)
I've beat Dark Souls, Dark Souls 2, Bloodborne and Elden Ring multiple times.
I've tried to play Dark Souls 3 at least 5 different times and I always drop it around the Farron Keep area.
First time I played to the Dancer before dropping it.
Something about the game just doesn't click with me like the other FromSoft games.

>>717293924
Wallmart bloodborne is wild

From played it too safe, reused too many assets from bloodborne and looked too bland. Still a fun game though.

>>717298458
You can't rollspam in DS2 because rolls don't normally work in DS2. That's not a good thing, given all the enemies, hundred of gank encounters, and bosses expect you to be able to rollspam.

Your brain is so twisted you literally see a broken mechanic and praise it. This is one of the most retarded defense of DS2 imaginable. It's impossible to even begin to start to unroll that heap of retard.

1. All the too numerous gank encounters in DS2 expects you to be able to rollspam
2. Rolls don't work in DS2 (without ADP)
3. Neither of those things are great game design

For fuck's sake, what's next? 16 points snapping movement is good because it forces you to stop for three minutes to orient your character before doing a jump? Fuck sake. Bad hitboxes are good because they force you to be cautious when dealing with boss, and never enter their bad hitboxes range? Jesus.

>>717298692
The person recording this had the brightness in-game turned to max for DS3 but not for DS2. You can tell because DS2 hud looks a lot more gray and washed out if you turn the brightness up like that.

Only Dark Souls 1 and Demon's Souls looked good with brightness turned to maximum.

>>717298934
rolls absolutely work in ds2, just level up some adp lmfao, with next to no adp your rolls are way tighter/smaller iframes
git gud or lvl adp

>>717298934
You're just bad at the game and dont know how to play it. If you wanted to roll good and spam you're better off leveling vitality than adp.

>>717293175
>DUDE REMEMBER DARK SOULS

>>717293013 (OP)
Fun but the areas are too linear, same thing as in Dark Souls 2. No exploration really kills any incentive to ever play it again.

>>717298304
Are you a fucking retarded person? He didn't even say that the game wasn't a "gank slugfest". He said you just mash R1 and roll your way to victory throughout the entire game of 3. Which you can and which the webm showcases. You are not even attacking what he said, you fucking moron.
Are all DS3 fans just illiterate third worlders or is there something I'm missing?

>>717298963
turning brightness down isn't going to give you shadows

I'm playing it right now.

>>717293364
Ds3 tries to be too much like ds1, weapon arts were dog shit

>>717299124
I don't even mind them reusing Ornstein but him being some obviously copy-pasted hackjob in a random location just leaves an awful taste in my mouth.

>>717294051
literally this, this game was made for faggots that can't play the game without using tears of denial

>>717293013 (OP)
Kino

>>717299124
I just debated on posting every single memberberry from Dark Souls 3 about Dark Souls 1 in replying to you, but I'd rather not hit bump limit solo.

>>717299175
It's gonna make the black parts actually black. Notice how the dark bits in the DS3 clip look very gray compared to the dark bits in the DS2 clip. You can literally look at the HUD to gauge exactly how the brightness is adjusted, it's way too high in the DS3 clip which is why it looks so much more washed out.

>>717298934
>hundred of gank encounters, and bosses expect you to be able to rollspam.
ds3 moment

>>717293175
3 is DUDE REMEMBER DEMON'S SOULS though, secondary

>>717293013 (OP)
one of my teachers in highschool took the day off to play this and then he got arrested in class a year later for sleeping with students.

>>717293013 (OP)
The worst Souls game From made. Both from a PvP and PvE perspective.
>kill invasions by making it so you only invade ganks
>gameplay is reduced to R1 spacing since they killed poise and hyper armor is useless againts good players who can space and roll catch
>multiple gamebreaking glitches left in the game after the end of support
>level design is the worst in the series. Every level is a hallway with bonfires spammed all over the place, killing suspense.
>world design is nortouriously boring and a straightline
>nostalgia baiting DS1 so hard it feels like a rehash rather than a sequel.

>>717299295
the point is you dense motherfucker is BOTH games do it and faulting one for it is retarded.

>>717299312
ds3 is gonna look gray no matter what

>>717299320
SOUL

>>717299157
>You can mash r1 and roll your way to victory
>Source: one of the easiest encounters in the entire game with a literal meme enemy
Ok

>>717293013 (OP)
Linear boss rush with bad bosses is all there really is to it. Can't decided whether it wants to be DS1 or BB so it just feels like shit. Ugly dreary game that lacked the hopefulness of DS1 and the goofiness of DS2. Weapon arts were poorly implemented and most of them are worse than just r1 spam. Swamps. The zones that aren't just references to DS1 often feel unfinished and soulless (Profaned Capital lmao) Honestly now that I've taken a moment to stop and think, I actually hate this game.

>>717293013 (OP)
Here's a list of every Souls game that was better
Demons
Dark 1 and 2
Elden Ring
Bloodborne
Sekiro
Every Chinese Soulslike
Every Korean Soulslike
Every Western Soulslike

>>717299370
>five references vs. one thousand
>uhh its the same thing, obviously, retard

>>717299234
This and magic still being boring

>>717299175
Stencil shadows aren't going to give you shadows either

>>717299124
>optional cameo
vs
>anor londo and the throne room are main location

>>717299419
>uhh... uh... I'll just s-say that they're a j-joke enemy, h-hehe..... gottem!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>717299124
copypasting bosses from the previous entry is a baller move, more content? yes please

>sequel actually tries to be a sequel instead of being an unrelated hackjob merely using the name like some sort of fucking skinwalker
>NOOOOOOO you can't do that! member berries!!!

>>717293013 (OP)
It turned the franchise into what it gets memed as today and I kinda hate it. Dark Souls was never about the hard bosses - it was about the hard EVERYTHING. One of the very first memes was that skeleton parrying Link and killing him as he says
>Welcome to dark souls.
The bosses were punishing for sure, Ornstein & Smough were probably the hardest boss in a mainstream videogame at release, but they were not the entire game's identity.

DS3 started the
>What if the game was mostly about ultra hard boss gauntlets?
That resulted in Elden Ring being so empty and the franchise being known as magical monster hunter.
Ironically if you want a feel of adventure closer to what DS1 was, DS2 is your best choice IN STARK CONTRAST - by skilled people the bosses of ds2 are considered easy or too basic, but it doesn't matter because the levels are fun to explore and the random enemies with their gimmicks and placement (and numbers) are a real challenge.

>>717293013 (OP)
I still prefer it to Elden Ring.

>>717298934
Ohhhh whatever shall i do without my rollspam!? Fuck you Tanimura. FUCK FUCK YOU. ughhh hallp me miyzazaki

after being forced to play this twice with a friend who can't move on from the game, it made me realize this game is stupid boring and the retards that still do PvP with Tears should kill themselves

>>717293013 (OP)
Completely revolutionized and cemented Souls gameplay. Pretty much set the foundation of leveling/builds brackets, how damage scales, enemy design, how magic works and interacts with melee combat and the skill system

Also the story is great and feels like a true sequel that actually picks up from where Dark Souls left. There's a catharsis to each of the endings

>>717299589
a sequel is a sequel because it's a sequel, not because it has it being a sequel in mind, that would make it a dogshit sequel
ds3tarded brain will never grasp this

>>717293013 (OP)
Too much HP bloat and padding to fights, and enemies having hyper armor basic movesets are trash, and that's not even getting into the 2-3 HP bar boss fights that constantly kept happening again and again. 100% it a few days ago, NG++ is also cancer with how much damage enemies can shit out even with vigor in the 50s.

>>717299591
>Dark Souls was never about the hard bosses - it was about the hard EVERYTHING
Dark Souls always was pathetically easy

>>717293013 (OP)
Base game was pretty kino. DLC areas, however, were absolute dogshit.

>>717299364
How old were the students?

>>717299615
what's your favorite weapon?

>>717299574
Here's your DLC superdragon boss, shart souls 2 sister

>>717299802
>cuts off a niggas tail for NO reason
why

>>717295364
It literally locks progression away so the only viable early - mid gameplay is grabbing a weapon and smacking the enemies.
Miracles particularly, you can't play with them until very very late, there's nothing to use early. And I don't remember sorcery but it probably suffers as well

>>717299712
It's a shame they didn't learn until 3 on how to make enemies

>>717299701
>not Drakeblood armor
God, how did Elden Ring have to fuck the cape up so much?

>>717299708
>le hard mode is le hard
>>717299802
DS2 DLCs are non-canon. i don't claim them. they're a part of that ugly schitsolar of the first dogshit cashgrab re-release. i hate it

>>717299802
I'll take that any day over rollspamming on Slave Knight Gael.

all the ds games are fine to me but ds2 offers the most replay value, currently on ng+39 and highest i could be fucked with ds3 was ng+3 then i stopped playing once i reached farron keep

>>717299739
17 or 18 for sure. From what i heard he'd latch on to them and wait until the day they turned 18. He told me about the soul dube glitch in demons souls.

>>717293013 (OP)
Boring. Uninspired. Unoriginal.
Best merit it can be genuinely given is that it is the most refined of the Dark Souls games. Which also is a part of what makes it not as interesting as the other two, as well as Demon's Souls.
SUCKS!

I really like using the scythe and claws to headshot enemies.

>>717299775
Gundyr's Halberd and Millwood Battle Axe.
I liked catching people off guard, thinking that they could easily parry the Halberd's skill by moving to the right and back left and striking them with the skill's last slash.

>>717293013 (OP)
Can you stop making this thread every other day already?

>>717293013 (OP)
Vast gameplay improvement over the predecessors. DS3 essentially perfected the Souls combat formula. Elden Ring itself just has a modified and expanded version of DS3's combat. The visual design of the areas ranges from mediocre to amazing. Other than that it's a downgrade compared to both its predecessors and Bloodborne. It features the most linear world and level design of any of these games, and the setting, story and lore are all rather disappointing (it's basically DS1 again but this time everything is even more rotted, twisted, burnt out and ugly). Easily Miyazaki's weakest game in those regards; you can tell he only made it because he had to, not because he wanted to.

>>717299894
It's not hard, it's fucking tedious, especially if you don't want to have to deal with bosses from scratch and shitty weapons. I beat the damn game using the Lothric Spear which made dragons a fucking pain in the ass to deal with.

>>717299912
We know you would, Shart Souls 2 sister
>>717299894
>DS2 DLCs are non-canon
All of Dark Souls 2 is non-canon

>>717293868
rent free

>>717299207
still annoyed that corvian armor wasn't wearable

>>717299926
Holy based, where’s the crime here

wtf were from thinking with this utterly broken weapon art? deleting every boss in like 4 hits lol

>>717299712
>>717299865
>Enemies should spaz out like autists and auto track you

>>717293013 (OP)
An excellent continuation of the series after the disastrous second game.

>>717299967
Those are fun. I hated gundyr's because everyone in pvp would hardswap to it for the weaponart, but it's still a badass weapon. Millwood is a classic, easily my favorite axe aside from the twinaxes.
>>717300035
I would've loved an actual set. It's a shame
>>717300079
Strength is OP

>>717300007
if DS2 is non-canon then the DLCs are non-existent. for me at least.

they should port DS3 and Bloodborne bosses to DS2
>>717300060
>where's the crime in grooming children who were under your care on a daily basis for several years
probably in the "grooming children who were under your care on a daily basis for several years" part

>>717300007
I think this fight would've been more impressive if you took every other second to perform a roll action, then the boss explodes in a massive spectacle when it enters phase 2 and then again when it enters phase 3.

>>717299589
you know its just butthurt when it is quite literally the only game this criticism is ever applied to.

>>717293013 (OP)
The enemies are super annoying to fight. I find this the hardest Souls game. Also I hate how it's structured: straight line that way, then they warp you back and you go the other way.

>>717299775
Greatsword of Judgement

>>717300020
Who the fuck are you trying to high-road here, faggot? We all own at least one copy of Skyrim and everyone needs to mod the fuck out of it to make it half decent.

>>717293013 (OP)
Grey swamp/sewer simulator and linearity makes it really miserable to replay.
The first run is definitely fun though.

I'm just going to say that I love all of the souls games. I think dark souls 2 and 3 are both worthy sequels despite the hardships they went through during development.
>>717300282
Honestly liked it more than mlgs in ds3, although the vortex on mlgs is stupidly good

>>717300175
>nooooo she was 17 years 11 months and 29 days old you sick fuck

>>717293013 (OP)
Purple Phantoms were the single best thing ever added to souls' shitty pvp and its never been the same again without them

>>717300435
yes that's what living in a society with laws entails, following them or finding out

DeS = kino.
DS1 = kino.
DS2 = shit but at least it tried new stuff.
DS3 = boring.

>>717300128
>Is...is that an enemy that can dodge some of my attacks and actually punish me?
>Is that an enemy that can actually interact with the map?
>AAAAIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE SOLAIRE SAVE ME

Best game in the series in my humble opinion

>>717293013 (OP)
it is an UGLY game.

>>717300553
What's your favorite thing aobut it?

AAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>717300609
its sickdark grimcorekino

>>717300525
he seems a bit lost.
>>717300476
this, desu

>>717300060
NTA but it's his position of authority. If they didn't have that prior relation the age wouldn't have been an issue.

>>717300079
You get it near the end of the game and only really have two bosses to use it on before DLC. Of course you could do early Dancer and get it with plenty of game left but that definitely wasn't the expectation.

>>717295835
>The story is a little bit too garbled
It isn't
>and many alluded changes to the lore
There were zero changes to the lore

>>717299775
Great club from DS2 for the goofy ass helicopter spin heavy attack.

>>717299367
nobody that's good at pvp says this

>>717300786
it still absolutely deletes bosses thanks to its massive dmg and poise you get when using it, took maybe 8 slams to kill champ gundyr on ng+2

>>717293013 (OP)
I don't think about it.

>>717293013 (OP)
DS3 is the beginning of rollslop.

>>717299775
Smelter hammer from DS2 for the helicopter spin

>>717293013 (OP)
Still my favorite in terms of story, gameplay and aesthetic.

>>717299775
Anor Londo space program

>>717293013 (OP)
It gave us worse aesthetics than 1 and 2, and they carried over to Elden Ring. Pretty much every set is just normal knigthtly armor and the colors are washed out / muddy.
It's impossible to believe that DS3 and ER have worse armor than ds2 which looks like an n64 game at times, but the are direction and ideas are simply superior

Agent in tacticool shirt and jeans

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P-egg-SovVU

Fully white armor with a waistcoat to look as divine as the boss I got it from

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P-egg-SovVU

A BIG variety of dark coats to look like a wizard / reaper. And I say actual black clothes because DS3 has tons of brown rags but it's not as cool
Straid's set is nice but even the basic hollow black mage set you get early is better than most of DS3 and ER

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cVk3TDS_gw0

Dark Souls is pretty much an mmorpg in how extensively you could customize your unit, but DS3 ruined it. If I wanted to make Pic related I couldn't because there's not enough variety in fashion choices

>>717300824
>>717300953
Dude I love that stupid chicken wing helicopter attack. Shit was awesome.
>>717301006
Moves/weapon arts that launch enemies are so fucking fun.

ds2 sucks and all but i can appreciate the small details they did add to the game like how your character gets wet or snowcovered, leaving wet marks on the ground, different idle animation when out of stamina/badly hurt and so forth

>>717299775
The beyblade sword.

>>717301072
>It's impossible to believe that DS3 and ER have worse armor than ds2
Exactly, DS2 armors are dogshit

>>717301072
what the fuck

>>717299460
The DS1 references in DS3 have a purpose for the lore and a direct consequence of the world going forward. The DS1 references in DS2 are just there so that Bamco can put the name Dark Souls on the box art.

>>717294171
No, it's completely out of place fanservice wankery, while in Dark Souls 3 almost all callbacks, basically anyone except Oscar is actually justified and recontextualized
Lothric Knights worship a ruined statue of the Nameless King, that makes sense, they have found it that way
There's the same statue in a literal ditch in Harvest Valley... why??? who the fuck knows
Dark Souls 2 story and world are just awful

>>717301190
>Exactly, DS2 armors are dogshit
It wasn't that bad. Every set from previous games looked like crap but most every low-fantasy piece of new armor looked good. I can live with EK looking crappy when Alva set exists.

>>717300940
shazam lost and the discord is long deleted

>>717300839
Everyone who was good at Souls PvP graduated to fighting games or other competitive genres. Only shitters still play Souls PvP.

>>717293013 (OP)
Fuck you just reminded me I never beat the final boss now that's gonna bother me, shit. I still have the PS4 and the save file

Fashion Souls >>>>>> le hard bosses

>>717301667
Just join the Kaathe's gang and get 3 different summons for the final boss.

>>717301332
There's exactly six non returning armor sets from DS2 that aren't atrocious looking in one way or another
>Alva's set
>Bernhart's set
>Black witch's set
>Chaos set
>Lucatiel's set
>Faraam's set
If I have to be very generous then I'll add the Puppet set and Velstadt's set and even there the latter was still awful looking ingame, nevermind the DS2 armors in DS3 looking way better than they did in their own game, who the fuck would argue that DS2 has good fashion when the average original set is an incomplete bunch of rags or something like the Moon Butterfly set?

>>717293797
>smoother
That makes it worse.

>>717298934
>You can't rollspam in DS2
You absolutely can
The enemy is too passive to do anything about it
It's also beneficial because you never know how fucked up the enemy hitbox is. It's not like if you dodge that means the enemy attacks you either way

>>717293013 (OP)
10 times better then elden rings open world slop

>>717300020
If any games live rent free in the minds of 4redditors, it's fromsoft games. Go count all the threads in the catalog right now bitching about them. I'm just here to remind you that Dark Souls is still the king of action RPGs.

>>717293013 (OP)
Japanese Cowadoody

>>717298009
2 is the skippable one. It offers nothing. 3 at least somewhat concludes story threads introduced in 1.

>>717293013 (OP)
A bit too safe and too many enemies covered in dryer lint

Okay this is one of the few complaints I have about ds3, don't fucking kill me I love both games. WHY THE FUCK IS THE ALVA HELMET IN 3 A SOLID BLOCK OF METAL

>>717302206
It seems to be inconsistent wheter or not sets have eye slits or metal

>>717302297
It's fucking bizarre and I hate wearing the helmet in 3 because no eye slits

>>717301767
Do I need online for that I haven't had ps+ in years

>>717300243
>The enemies are super annoying to fight

>>717301831
Straid is better than any of those and you didn't even name it wtf

>>717302380
The drakeblood has the same issue but it's not as noticeable because the helmet is already a dark color. Is it just the ds2 armors that haveno eye slits lol

>>717293364
>Chugging Estus immobilizes you, and the heal isn't instantaneous meaning trying to chug while someone is sticking close to you will result in death

>Can only perform four rolls before running out of stamina

>Can only perform 5 attacks of a rapier or straight sword before running out of stamina

>Stamina regeneration is tied to weight, so a character at 10% burden will recover their bar faster than a character at 70% burden, giving an advantage and a reason to make a low burden character

>Poise exists and armor provides relevant, but not overpowering damage reduction, giving an advantage and a reason to make a high burden character

>Phantoms and Dark Spirits cannot chug estus, spirits can only heal via spell useage which is slow. This makes fighting outnumbered even without mob assistance possible since any damage you do sticks.

>Parrying has longer recovery frames and consumes more stamina, making parry fishing riskier and makes parrying require higher skill

>Power stance allowing for unique combinations of dual wielding and unlocking an alternative moveset for weapons

>Being able to use the full moveset of a weapon in your off-hand including running, rolling, backstepping, etc. attacks rather than just being able to do a basic R1 swing and blocking with the weapon as it is in Ds3 (lmao who would ever want to weapon block)

>Non-linear first half of the game allows you to rush straight to the areas of the game that contain the items for your build

>Fun PvP covenants that were unique

>Bell Tower covenant providing two unique optional areas to PvP for Titanite Chunks, Slabs, and Twinkling, making farming for upgrades fun

>Rat covenant providing two unique optional areas for pvp that heavily involve the environment for pharros lockstone farming

>Blue Sentinel covenant had cracked blue orbs for arbiter invading and punishing sinners

1/2

>>717302380
>>717301767
Just looked it up and I have no idea what the heck you're talking about I don't have dlc or online

>>717300128
>>717300525

>>717293013 (OP)
Demon Prince is my favourite boss in the game and my the best duo boss fight they've done in the franchise.

>>717299320
I just dropped down here and backstabbed anyone
Even Farron followers in Ashes of Ariandel are harder

>>717302543
>No bonfire and no death challenge where you can beat the game without resting at a bonfire or dying to gain a reward and bragging rights

>Non-linear first half of the game allows you to rush straight to the areas of the game that contain the items for your build

2/2

*screams*
Okay I'm done shitting on the textures, back to playing.

>>717299775
Lucatiel's Mirrah Hollowslayer Greatsword. The moveset is really fun.

>>717297507
I wanna play ds2 blind and feel like an adventurer, is there a version on steam thats appropiate or do I need to sail a bit?

>>717302543
>>717302637
based

>>717302625
I just think they're visually cool with all of the pyromancy types they use and I like how the boss fight takes place in the weird spacetimefucked ruins of ds1's firelink. Also it's just neat that they're the last hope for demons and you stomp their fucking heads into the ground just like lorian did.
>>717302692
I got the old mirrah sword lucky drop once, probably one of the biggest hype moments in my time playing ds2.

>>717302727
I recommend playing SOTFS on steam (yes I played the original too, yes if you like ds2 you should try it out and compare the two versions they're both good, but I like scholar more). I know some people on /v/ fucking despise it scholar tho so eh. Do what you want.

>>717302551
/v/ has been real silent since this wisdom dropped... altho with that said ds3 is not harder than ds1 by any means, definitely less cheese-able and a bit more varied in enemy/boss gameplay styles but theres nothing remotely to the level of ornstein + smough or manus

>>717295364
elden rings combat without all the flashy particle effects and projectile spam to feed your adhd brain is objectively worse. you mention combos but dark souls 3 had many many more of those and they were an integral part of its pvp compared to "press l2/l1 until they die" ring. "more" weapons/builds are also only viable because you can put any ash and scaling you want on it, plus it simply has more content and even then some things like int/fth just get shafted by not having their own infusion anymore, so even there worse than ds3.

I started playing since the original DeS and have played everything on release date since then. DeS, DaS1-3, ER, BB, and Sekiro are all good. 3 is probably my favorite of the DaS trilogy overall.

>>717302880
i prefer scholar too but i fucking hate how they made majula too bright, looks like an atom bomb everytime i look towards the sea, here's og;

Nice hitboxes.

>>717299701
>Pretty much set the foundation of leveling/builds brackets, how damage scales, enemy design, how magic works and interacts with melee combat and the skill system
You say this as if it set a standard for the industry, when all that's happened is that Elden Ring started development as a heavily modded Dark Souls 3 lmao

>>717302880
>>717302990
and here's scholar

>>717302998

>>717303074
Yeah they nuke the shit out of your eyes, it's a shame. You get to appreciate the different colors and the clouds more in the og.

Mound Makers covenant was fun.

>>717302952
>elden rings combat without all the flashy particle effects and projectile spam to feed your adhd brain is objectively worse.
No.
>you mention combos but dark souls 3 had many many more of those
Again, no, DS3 doesn't even begin to scratch ER's capabilities in terms of possible interactions.
>weapons/builds are also only viable because you can put any ash and scaling you want on it
Again, no, not to mention how 90% of DS3 weapons are dogshit BECAUSE of the locked in weapon arts that are objectilvely just worse than R1/R2.
>some things like int/fth just get shafted by not having their own infusion anymore
INT/FTH has its own bullshit weapons like SON&F and hybrid catalysts, not to mention being able to tap onto both INT and FTH weapon niches effectively in a game where FTH alone has 3 times the variety of DS3 FTH

>>717297507
People always post this on the side of DS2, but all I see is how awful the combat feels in DS2 at 20 seconds in. Weapons literally just phasing through each other with zero visual feedback. The shadows do look nice though, too bad the game had massive visual downgrades.

>>717302543
>>717302729
Dark Souls II also had one of the best mechanics in the franchise that sadly never came back.

>>717303416
This series really likes to do that.
>introduce awesome idea
>ditch it forever

>>717303203
indeed

>>717303038
>You say this as if it set a standard for the industry
It is the standard for the genre, yes
>when all that's happened is that Elden Ring started development as a heavily modded Dark Souls 3 lmao
A lot of the mechanics of Elden Ring are from Dark Souls 3 simply because Dark Souls 3 was the mechanical evolution of most of those elements, the same low/mid/high brackets of investment into stats, the same way damage types work with stats for a weapon, the same way buffs and healing works.

If those elements werent fine, they would simply be changed like Elden Ring changed offhand weapons and revised how ashes of war are slotted to make the controls smoother

>>717301605
no, only the 1v1 arena retards did that. find me another game genre that has the invasion pvp experience of fighting 1-3 dudes using the level and your own wits.
please actually do tell me i loved the shit out of invasions. the closest i had to that is melee slashers but they all devolved into banning their interesting maps for the competitive modes because of compnigger crying
no shooters like dayz, that game and genre is full of cheaters.

>>717293175
I grew to appreciate 2 when I heard someone compare it to King's Field in a lot of ways -- because it does have some KF vibes without rubbing my face in it, which is nice

>>717302761
I've never gotten the drop, it must be pretty cool.
I wish there was a way to obtain the Mirrah Greatsword early in Dark Souls II without killing Lucatiel for it. In Dark Souls III you can get it after only killing 2 bosses but in Dark Souls II you need to clear 80% of the game...

>>717303634
sunken king dlc gives major king's field vibes, i think same guy worked on it

>>717302935
Why do zoomers all talk the exact same? You faggots can't help but out yourselves any time you talk.

I like Dark Souls 3, Demon's Souls, and Bloodborne the most. I went back to replay Dark Souls 1 and 2 and found them very boring. Actually, I think Dark Souls 1 is probably the most boring and if I was forced to choose what to do a replay of, I'd replay 2 over 1. 1 has too many large, empty areas. It's pretty dull.

But you know what? I'd still replay 1 over replaying Elden Ring.

>>717301986
>this guy doesn't understand what Standard damage is
lol

>>717303647
It has worse damage and durability than lucatiels despite it's S dex scaling, but it just feels good to see it drop.

>>717301258
You're right! That must be why we find the Covenant of the Sun in a fucking pot in a literal who village. It all loops together and makes sense. Bravo Miyazaki, you did it again!

1>2>3

>>717303768
yes people never repeated comedic phrasings before zoomers, bravo o great culture war retard, enlighten us more with thou wisdom

>>717302880
could you pinpoint the biggest differences between them?
I played 3 first and then 1, I liked both. I see truth in what ppl write about both games here. 2 sounds like a bigger, bolder 1 with some questionable design choices to me, which sounds interesting enough.

>>717302543
Gradual estus is nothing but a buff. You take two sips, let enemy beat you until their stamina runs out and you exit the encounter with full health because the gradual healing then fills you up afterwards.

Anyone who found lifegems and estus worse in DS2 was a massive brainlet who didn't know how to easily abuse them.

>>717304015
frfr ong no cap, that post was NOT bussin and you cooked him asl fr

Was this true?

>>717298934
Wearing armor, using a shield, using ranged attacks. there are many ways of playing that doesn't require brainless rollslop that has destroyed the series.

>>717303960
yes you retard
The need for mutual assistance between undead trascended and outlasted the religious background it was originated from and is now just representative of chivalry and support among knights who have no allegiance to Gods

>>717303087

>>717304303
nah because it makes no mention of anor londo originally being in the desert and not snow, tomb of carthus confirms that as well also if you roll in the snow at anor londo, sand particles pop up, not snow

>>717304251
wtf i hate zoomers now???

>>717304303
No, it was all false

The game features impossible puzzles.

Contrarian nerd faggots in this thread, this game was incredible.

>>717304202
The biggest differences are probably enemy and item placement. Scholar, IMO, has overall enemy placement that fits the areas a bit better but it also added more enemies to fight. I do really miss the scattered heide knights in the original and the guaranteed heide knight sword drop. Scholar also has more npc summons and invaders. Scholar also added in more petrified statues blocking off sections of the game unless you find items to unlock them, and also fixed up some of the unique level stuff like it added in more bells at the crypt.

>>717303960
>That must be why we find the Covenant of the Sun in a fucking pot in a literal who village
Because it's a village of undead and the warriors of sunlight assist he undead?

Home...

>>717293013 (OP)
needs a remaster/remake to play again.

>>717304741
replying through og i forgot that there's no shortcut in no mans wharf

>>717303960
You just find the symbol off a guy that had it, the actual covenant is worshipped in Lothric Castle.

>>717304741
I see, thanks. Sounds like I will try the just 2 first and perhaps switch to Sotf if things are too wild for me

>>717302547
>>717302380
It's Yuria's faction. She and another NPC will be available as summon.
They are powerful enough to delete at least 80% of the final boss HP without your intervention.

>found my old ds2 save
sovl

>>717305051
I liked giving her nice clothes.

>>717305115
F E E B L E
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>unemployed
>the sounds of majula going through the house for months

i wish i could neet again

>>717293013 (OP)
I only played it once. Best gameplay of the Souls games, but Dark Souls 1 is still better overall. 2 is dogshit.

>>717302206
for the same reason helmets dont blend in with the chestpiece and show the characters neck
fucking RUINED the faraam armour set from ds2. also creightons armor not having the cape physics

>>717305345
>creightons armor not having the cape physics
the fuck, i'm like 99% certain it got cape physics

>>717305385
ill have to concede since its been years i last played. but i remember there being a reason i was furious over Creightons stuff and it was either because his armor didnt have the physics or the Dragonslayer Crescent Axe best weapon in the series btw had that stupid club swinging animation

>>717293013 (OP)
Hot take - I don't mind fanservice when I'm the fan being serviced.
Yes, I do remember Dark Souls 1. I like Dark Souls 1 a lot. I don't get angry being reminded of it, because I like it. A lot.
If they made Dark Souls 4, and it just had the entire game world of Dark Souls 1 as an area in it, that'd be the sickest shit and nobody could tell me otherwise.

>>717304865
OH FUCK I forgot the fucking orange moths are a scholar thing too
>>717305115
Changing her hairstyle to a ponytail with different clothing sets was also cool

>>717302641
Anon, the face model on the Fallen Knight Set is literally just black blob inside.

>>717305548
booted up to take a look, is this it? you cant see the eyes through the mask like in ds2

>>717299775
I liked the Lothric Spear, but I wanted Astor to be fucking better than it ended up being. Broke down and went Lothric Ultra Greatsword since it just shits out damage.

>>717305676
>her hairstyle changes
WHATTTTTT, wow I still learn new things about DS2.

>>717305740
yep, thats the set
looked so good in 2.
>cant see the eyes
sickening. Does it have the physics? does the axe have that 'flail side to side' animation like the clubs do?

>>717305665
None of the callbacks in 3 were out of place or done distastefully. It's game that's set in the same world, it's expected that there's recurring things as well as new things. I loved the remix of gwyn's theme at the end for example.

>>717293013 (OP)
I don't like the base game very much but Ringed City is my favorite work from Fromsoft.

>>717305869
recorded vid to show, is this what you mean?
https://files.catbox.moe/2c86ya.mp4

I was deployed when it released and played it without internet. Found it lacking since every area felt like a hallway that led to a slightly bigger hallway. Beat it fairly easily but found out it was because I used one of the most OP weapons in the game, the sellswords.

>>717301286
>same statue used in two games but it's okay in the one I like
Why use the same statue, they both don't make sense.

>>717306030
Yeah, the light attacks. That's what pissed me off. The armour set looks good, and it does have the physics enabled. thanks for taking the time for me, fren

What do you guys think the scrapped "OldEclipseKing" stuff was about? I lean on the idea that Prince Lothric would've transformed into the character model that got used for Pontiff Sulyvahn, but there's nothing particularly conclusive.

>>717306229
no worries at all, fren ^^

>>717293013 (OP)
Straight sword
That is all.

>>717305770
Yeah arstors was pretty meh, if poison was better in ds3, it would've been cool.

Playing DS2 for the first time and its by far the most confusing game in the series. I killed the giant spider boss and I genuinely have no idea where the fuck I'm supposed to go next. Who the fuck designed this retarded map?

>>717299775
Too many to list for DS2. But if i had to choose one, probably the Syan's Halberd. Sexy, a good moveset especially for a halberd, good reach, and pretty well-balanced.
The only thing i liked from DS3 was the Greatsword of Astora. Long as fuck, good moveset, losers trying to parry the roll attack and getting fucked like the no-hp having bitches they were. It also looked pretty cool.

>>717303647
>Mirrah Greatsword early
the animation is shared with the flamberge, if I remember correctly. So many good sets in 2, and you have to either kill for it or wait half way in the game. Targrey's set is beautiful, but you have to kill the man for it

>>717306660
Every road leads from Majula, bro
just go back to the hub and pick a direction

>>717306698
Syan's halberd was funky. I really liked ds2 having a ton of weapons with moves taken from other wepaon calsses.

>>717306660
>who the fuck designed this retarded map
b-team who were forced to throw shit together to make a full game after Namco wanted it asap and booted the original Director for making it too different from 1 because they were worried it wouldn't sell as well

>>717306660
3 pathes at the Majula led to 4 different bosses.

>>717306660
4 paths at the Majula led to 4 different bosses

>>717293583
this sums it up perfectly

>>717293013 (OP)
Extremely janky Elden Ring alpha build

>>717306231
It was Pontiffs name back when he was going to be the final boss.

I still think grand archives and the first DLC have been the best coop experiences of all souls games. Especially if you just wanted to put down your sign and help people run through areas. It actually let you go through the whole area instead of just being summoned for the bosses. They had essentially a central bon fire with multiple shortcuts leading back to it. So if they needed to, the host can resummon you. You would put your summon down and they could be in different parts of their journey so it wasn't always the same thing.

Then they made elden ring. Where you got summoned and went straight for the boss only to have the host die before you even walked through.

>>717306621
I just wish two-handing didn't have a fucking slower animation than one-handing with a shield. I will never understand something that isn't an "Ultra _____" doesn't have a faster swing speed when two handed.

>>717299775
DS1 great scythe

I actually liked high wall and undead settlement. High wall is a nice and challenging tutorial level, and settlement has a lot of stuff to find and SEEMS like it will go places. Unfortunately the game becomes a snoozefest after that. Once you get some stamina/hp it's too easy to roll and R1 spam to victory. It's also very linear and many of the levels are uninteresting although there are some good ones (dungeon and archives IMO).

>>717304224
>Drink DS2 Estus
>Takes multiple seconds so you're easy to hit
>Have to waste extra sippy cups healing the extra damage
>Some enemies can kill you through the healing (esp on NG+)
>Invaders backstab you during the animation and oneshot you

>Drink DS3 Estus
>So fast you can do it mid boss combo
>So fast that you can't be hit even in PvP
>More healing per sippy than DS2 Estus

Woah I can totally see how DS2 sippy cups are a buff :^)

3 was the strongest overall for me. It didn't excel in any one area, but it didn't feel like it suffered in any one area either making it the game I come back to the most. I.loved how all the phantoms interacted with each other and the invasion systems, while not perfect, struck a great balance. Carthus was an amazing invasion spot. Balance was kinda shit, purple phantoms are kino

Dark souls 1 had the best world and the level design in the first half is impeccable. It doesn't fall off as hard as people say later its mainly just the ragu spaghetti sauce areas. Pvp was imbalanced and shit when taken seriously, but proper invasions were and still are fun

I respect the passion 2 had behind it, but it was plain as day that it was forced out due to corporate pressure, and every great idea ended up being coupled with a rather obnoxious idea too. That said it's pretty shit that a lot of the cool shit from 2 never came back in any from product. Didn't care for the dlcs much. People swear by them but I didn't find them fun. It kind of felt like I was playing a different game. Great areas to invade but shit systems discouraging you from farming the orbs to do so. I don't play serious pvp so the balance isn't appealing.

Elden Ring but sloppy ver

>>717309786
Can I take a wild guess and say you played them all well after they were released and probably started with 3?
Because playing each one in it’s time, 1 was the best and by 3 even though it was the most polished it just felt like meh fan service
It’s also made totally obsolete by ER’s existence now because it’s the most up to date version of the formula

I just don't see what's wrong with being able to move while drinking health.

>>717293013 (OP)
Dark souls 3 has 7 fucking swamps
fuck that game I'm never going back
Ds2 is better

>>717310115
I actually started with demon's souls. I got it the same day as mgs 4 for 20 dollars. I remember lamenting about how the servers were shutting down as I was playing but then atlus decided to keep the servers up for a bit longer.

I played all the games on release since DeS which is my favorite, in spite of all of its flaws. 3 isn't made obsolete by Elden Ring because there is no open world fluff, and the fact that the pvp system are still way better overall. 3 felt like a proper send off with the final boss, albeit a sloppy one until the ringed city. 1 still holds up pretty damn well for me but I just replay 3 more often

so why did the gods and dragons fight, weren't the dragons content to just sit around and meditate

weren't happended to the eternal dragon from ds1

why didn't they try the demon thing again I mean yeah it spawnded demons but it showed you could create fire from nothing, that it wasn't equal sum

Are all the mushroom people dead

>>717310556
>3 isn't made obsolete by Elden Ring because there is no open world fluff
Yeah not buying it, ds2 was the pvpers game. 3s PvP was sweat lords with chaos and dark infused lothric knight swords spamming r1

>>717310771
Meant this part
>and the fact that the pvp system are still way better overall

>>717309349
Can't say I used to have any of these issues t. red arena sipper when that was possible.
Especially not running out of estus since lifegems are plenty.
Nevertheless it's all a buff compared to instant heal. In DS2 you sip at 2/3 HP before taking damage, tank a few hits and then lol full health. You try that with instant heal, first you waste half the heal, then you get damaged and exit with a lower health. The fact that you can pop it anytime during incoming damage means you could even use it at full HP and still take advantage of it as long as you received damage afterwards. Only brainlets wouldn't abuse this when the game allows it.

>>717293013 (OP)
I enjoyed it

First DLC felt like a ripoff with how short it was and only having Freya/Ariande as a real boss fight (nobody likes that wolf fight)

Ringed City was alright

>>717293364
Don't bother; DS2 fags are brainless.

>>717310851
>red arena sipper
Good job outing yourself retard. You haven't played DS2

>>717310771
I don't go to the pvp for balanced duels so I couldn't give a fuck about that

Give me that thing….your Dark Soul

>>717293013 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzIZPYXnYCA

Its my favorite one. I love the level design, the weapons, the bosses, the questlines and the npcs, the music, the pvp, the plot and the cool spells it has.

there is definitely some stuff that you can criticize (like early faith builds being bad), but I personally had a blast playing it and replaying it

I like all of the games in the trilogy, but ds3 is overall more fun for me.

>>717293013 (OP)
Honestly thoughts?

Pros
>Some of the most kino bosses in souls franchise such as Nameless King and Gael
>Gael OST

Cons
>levels are pure trash
>every enemy looks and sounds like a bloodborne reject
>objectively the worst PVP in all of souls
>beginning of roll slop

>>717293175
kek

>>717295364
Even Jee agrees with you

>>717314657
The level design was good though and it wasn't the beginning of roll "slop".

DS2 didn't even have an intact Red Orb, people flocked to the rat and bell levels out of sheer necessity

It was great though I don’t really have a desire to replay it. I did NG+2 and 3 where it was kinda just a chore. PvP was fun though and the Farron Greatsword is my favorite weapon.

>>717315631
>The level design was good though
arguably only the DLC areas

>it wasn't the beginning of roll "slop".
I believe you could roll 7 times with default stamina. Entirety of pvp is rolling while baiting with 1h r1s. I did enjoy non sweaty pvp but its an absolute roll fest

>>717299207
My condolences.

>>717299124
>>717315324
>optional bosses

I blame penetrator
I blame flamelurker
I blame maneaters
I blame artorias
I blame manus
I blame kalameet
I blame ivory king
I blame alonne
I blame fume knight
I blame dark souls 2 dlcs
I blame bloodborne
I blame dark souls 3

>>717315324
Extra optional activities are how you properly do fanservice. The story, characters, and locations on their own were more original. While DS3's whole story is just retreading ds1. Characters and locations ripped straight from DS1.

>>717315925
I guess pvp is one thing but I could care less about pvp in these games. The number of times you can evade was fine though, the game was faster paced and balanced around it. Faster pace and faster enemies calls for faster healing and more mobility.

He filtered me for an hour then I refunded the game.

>>717311418
Read patch notes, newfag.

>>717293013 (OP)
still the best from game. Better bosses than dark souls, better exploration than bloodborne, more variety than sekiro and it's not a bloated mess like Elder Ring

The older I get the more I realize how much more I like 2 than 3. I still greatly enjoyed my time with 3 but even when I was still disliking 2 a lot I still had the urge to go back to it even if I would stop after the gutter each time.
Going back to 3 feels like I'm always going through a lite "that part" until I reach some of the bosses and the DLCs.

>>717316167
I guess that's fine for pve, though forward rolling to iframe boss attacks makes some fights feel too similar. Fast healing and with estus cancels is absolute cancer for pvp

>>717302543
>all PVP slop
Opinion discarded

>>717293364
ds2 had a fun world to explore
ds1 and 3 are just gray, boring, dark fantasy blobs

I never thought Nameless King was that fun. I think he’s the most overrated fight in the series, like every late game boss (boss after Aldrich/Yhorm whichever you do last) is better, except for Ancient Wyvern. He looks cool though I’ll give him that he’s fun to bully in Nightreign too

>>717299320
remember MatthewFagosis and by extension his niggers fans on 4chan complaining souls isn't adventurous kino where you use your brain to solve puzzles anymore? And of course all of them were filtered by the actual adventure ludo that ds2 is.

>>717316619
For me its because the boss filtered me so hard the first time. Also the arena where you fight is god tier plus theres a fucking build up to the fight.

>>717316604
>ds2 had a fun world
Hahahaha, fuck you. They both were chores and shit to explore.

>>717293364
I think the gameplay systems in Dark Souls 2 were much better. The downside was I felt the world and setting of Dark Souls 2 was much worse.

But when it comes down to which I'd rather play I'd go for Dark Souls 2 every time because when it comes down to it gameplay is always king.

Things like powerstancing being a mechanic rather than something you can only do with some weapons for example is huge. Poise being poise and not just being superarmor like in Dark souls 3. Dark Souls 3 just threw all the good changes Dark Souls 2 made out and now its the only game in the series that really has them. Its the best Souls mechanically, which makes me return to it every now and then.

Dark Souls 2 is ugly and the world design sucks, but mods can (somewhat) fix it. There are no mods that make Dark Souls 3 good.

>>717317035
hm looks like you were filtered by a wonderful fantasy world filled to the brim with secrets and curiosities to discover.

Interesting halfway point between Bloodborne and Elden Ring while adopting but not fully integrating a fair amount of stuff from Dark Souls 2, stuff like pyromancies scaling off INT and FAI both instead of scaling off the catalyst itself while not actually going with the statless spell requirements and WEIRD half-and-half scaling DS2 had going, while power stancing was dropped in favor of paired weapons

Lothric Knight is an extremely sexy and very early-availability heavy armor set, getting a cape that early in the game was mindblowing on top of getting a cape at all

>>717293013 (OP)
bloodborne leftovers and mid

>>717317220
I explored every square inch of DS2. It's still a piece of shit to explore because it also has the "fun" problem if shoving shit into nooks and crannies that are fucking worthless like in Elden Ring.

>>717317372
Its the exploration itself that's fun and rewarding. The items you pick up are just a cherry on top

>>717317076
Is there any mods that actually do try to fix the world design? Every time I've seen mods that alter the levels it's always retarded or part of a huge overhaul that fucks up everything I like about the game

>>717317021
I didn’t think he was that hard, it’s just kinda lame to refight and I wish his hitboxes weren’t so big so you could low-profile with the Farron Greatsword. Hardest boss in base DS3? I don’t know, I think Aldrich took me the most tries at 6. I did most bosses 1 first try and then the rest were 2-3.

>>717293013 (OP)
It's okay
The problem is that the level design and progression felt linear in comparison to dark souls 1 and 2.
Those other games there's many different paths you can take.
Dark souls 3 doesn't really offer many different paths in comparison to those games.
Game would've been a lot better if the game didn't feel like going through a straight line.

>>717317741
You definitely did not beat Friede in under 6 tries.

Memberberry game, fucking terrible.

>>717299124
>Anon thinks DS2 Ornstein is a memberberries boss when in DS1 it explicitly states in item text that Anor Londo is forsaken and abandoned, and that Smough is the 'last' knight there.

It is common knowledge that the Chosen Undead Quest was manufactured by the gods to trick undead into sacrificing themselves to keep Gwyn's Age of Fire going. Ornstein in DS1 and DS2 is nothing but a prop as the real Ornstein left Anor Londo long before the Chosen Undead came about.

>>717317638
Not sure about world design. But there's multiple mods that makes the lightning not look like crap.
https://youtu.be/JRE_OtI54-8

>>717293068
Fpbp

>>717298934
>having to level adp to level 24 to get your iframes back
bad
>having to level vigor to 80+ on every build in elden ring so you dont get 1 shot by literally any random mob late game/dlc
good

>DS3 vs Elden Ring weapon speed

>>717318119

>>717318119
jeeez is ds3 shit

>>717318119
>>717318172

>>717293364
B O N F I R E A S C E T I C S
Because of these and actual relevant ng+ material ds2 captures the essence of what makes dark souls good: deciding on your build before you begin a run, beelining it to the items in your build, and playing the game AS THE BUILD YOU WANT. As opposed to 3, where you finally complete your build right before the game fucking ends.

>>717302551
making bosses so utterly overtuned and ridiculous with multiple phases and small windows of opportunity while not improving your ability to move since demon's souls and forcing you to rely on making utterly bullshit builds to completely cheese and eliminate any challenge is not good game design
pre-nerf gay sex radahn is the epitome of making a boss so utterly unfair that in order to actually beat it 99% of players will have to result to cheesing it
the souls formula reached its conclusion at that point and it wrapped around to pure parody, anything more extreme than that would just be utterly unhinged as a game concept

>>717318278

>>717317994
That mod is never coming out

For me it’s demon prince, the best boss fight in the entire series.

>>717293013 (OP)
>bosses
A+

>everything else
C-

Just played it with a friend for the first time in around 4-5 years. It still holds up as my least favorite souls game overall and is pretty mediocre as a whole. Dark Souls 2 was a lot more rough around the edges but it did a good job with some nice new innovations like power stance, being able to infuse almost every weapon, hexes as a new caster build and bonfire ascetic. Dark Souls 3 takes most of these away or half ass implements them like duel blades as a weapon type rather than power stance. It's pretty telling how Elden Ring added power stance back in seeing how dumb it was to have a duel blade weapon type.

>>717317874
I said base DS3.
Friede was DLC and yeah she took me a bit. I forgot the exact amount of tries though, but I wasn't using a fully upgraded weapon and when I got that slab, I beat her the try after that.
Demon Princes took 5, Midir took 3, Church took 2 (first guy was a cheater), and Gael took 5 (I killed myself some because I really liked the music and the fight was fun).

>>717318337
That's why I said multiple mods.
https://youtu.be/OnKubRQMP-0

>>717293013 (OP)
It's enjoyable with DS3LE

>>717318272
Bonfire Ascetics are fucking dumb. Nothing but a band aid to a world system that fucks itself. The solution is simple. When you give a boss soul to a blacksmith/spellcrafter, don't limit to one fucking item.

The one thing DS2 did right was the Covenant of Champions as it acted like an in-world difficulty system with unique rewards that could only be accessed by collecting enough awestones, which were exclusive item drops while you were in the covenant.

>>717293013 (OP)
Same as it was on release: it's mediocre.

>>717293013 (OP)
My friends put together money to get it for me as a birthday gift in high school. I'll never forget it since it's the last time I had more than like 1 friend IRL, it's a cherished memory.

>DS3 but better

>>717319035
wholesome

>>717299775
Crypt blacksword

>>717299775

>>717318879
Nah ascetics are good, sometimes I just want to replay a level or fight not the entire game

Us:
>finally miyazaki is gonna make ds2 but better
Miyazaki:
>naw i hate dark souls and dark souls 2 and i love bloodborne so i'm just gonna make bloodborne reskinned into ds1 cause ds1 sucked it was bad passive game with shields and strafing and i want to fix it with rolls and r1 spam
I just want a ds2 with fully explored potential cmon is that too much to ask? Somehow the mess of ds2 is the best game in the series

>>717319503
DS2 sucks for a lot of reasons but probably the biggest one is a lack of character. It feels like a harder and better DS1 without adding anything new. The first boss in DS2 is like a walmart version of a troll from Elden ring.

>>717319424
>sometimes I just want to replay a level or fight
Something that can be easily done with a remembrance system that doesn't require farming a consumable item. Or even better, actual levels that you can replay at anytime. Nioh does this, so we've got an example in an existing game.

As I pointed out, Bonfire Ascetics are a band aid to a world system that fucks itself, but it's also an obsolete system seeing as Fromsoft introduced their remembrance system.

>>717318879
DS2 did virtually everything right

>>717320018

>>717320018
DS2 fights definitely felt more tense, but not unfair or frustrating.

>>717318691
The actual lighting and shadows look great but the fog and colors fuck it up

>>717320018
>DS2 did virtually everything right
This doesn't disprove anything I said.

>>717319740
majula alone has more character than entirety of ER or any Yuka Kitamura movieslop

>>717319857
Nioh came out like 3 years after DS2, Bonfire Ascetics were a good idea back then

>>717320081
Because DS2 enemies are intelligently and fairly designed. You can look at an enemy like a turtle knight and intuitively figure out he's going to be a slow, lumbering heavy hitting enemy: and his gotcha backslam makes perfect sense. DS3, and beyond, a fat fuck like a winged knight can just do devil may cry special moves cause fuck it! Individually, on their own, none of ds2's enemies feel unfair; but put into groups and combined with tricky enemy placements and traps become really challenging. Which is how a souls game is supposed to be.

>>717293013 (OP)
2 and 3 are both shit but for different reasons
only their original IPs are good
Demon's Souls
Dark Souls
Bloodborne
Sekiro
Elden Ring
Armored Core doesn't really count since they aren't direct sequels of one another
The Duskbloods will be kino and it'll be fun watching PCissies piss their pants leading up to release
Whatever comes after will surely be kino since they've already said they don't wanna make something big like Elden Ring anytime soon so as long as it isn't ER2 then we should be on for a treat

>>717320291
Oh wow DS2 got one thing right. Props to it. It gets mogged by DS3 in aesthetics, bosses and combat. It doesn't have the highly connected levels of DS1 and instead has one hub area connecting everything. And that's not getting into its shit anti fun mechanics.

>>717320379
I know that Nioh came out after DS2, but we're talking in retrospect about Bonfire Ascetics, which is why I said the system is obsolete.

>>717320547
DS3's grey aesthetics, button mashing combat, and roll again and again bosses doesn't mog anything.

>>717320547
ds3 has the ugliest textures imaginable and everything has this weird wet glow on it, deleting all sense of material. It's also either grey or piss colored. It's so bad visually even shit like black gulch clears it. Not even mentioning the insane freshness of all the DLC areas, that are rivaled only by ER lstuff in their beauty

>>717299712
man DS1 still looks amazing, there's something unique about DS1 compared to new fromsoft games nowadays. It aims to be a bit realistic unlike the muh Berserk anime shit in elden and ds3

>>717295461
Making invasions favor ganksquads is retarded,I really miss demon's or dark souls invasions, 1v1 if you weren't in the forest.
Now the norm is you vs 2 faggots and the host hiding to re-summon

>>717320659
>DS3's grey aesthetics
Is a design choice by Miyazaki as he wanted a "withered beauty" look. Personally I think the final product is awful, bar end game and DLC, where I think the withered beauty (drained of color) was moderately successful.

>>717321140
i dont believe miyazaki even played this game

>>717293013 (OP)
Bloodborne = Sekiro > Dark Souls 1 > Demon Souls > Dark Souls 3 > Elden Ring > Dark Souls 2

>>717321186
Apparently, when Miyazaki finished working on Bloodborne, DS3 was halfway through development. He came onto the project and started from scratch with about a year until the retail deadline. DS3 ended up having a rushed development like DS2 did when that game was scrapped and repurposed. It sounds mad, but Demon Souls was birthed from the same situation as that game was originally a first person Oblivion clone.

/v/ is so weird about DS3. It's like all discussion surrounding it is entrenched in some war with heavy stakes.

>>717321140
maybe if he wanted to make WITHERED beauty he shouldn't have covered everything with glossy vaseline to the point even Lighting engine guy points out that just removing that shitty shader makes the game look 100 times better

>>717320578
The point of bonfire ascetics wasn't to just "replay bosses". It gave access to cool ng+ gear early on if you wanted to push for it.
Want that cloranthy +2 early on? Fine, here's a tough red phantom fight plus a harder executioners chariot. Want a crypt blacksword? Gatekept behind ng+ rotten. Getting your build shit together was FUN instead of linear " throw your build a bone" as you progress through the same shit every replay. Not to mention faith and into builds not getting actual good shit til almost the end in 3.

>>717321407
There's no denying that DS3 needed more development time. DS3 as well as DS2 were a victim of it. I'm amazed that they still ended up being competent games.

>>717321368
Its really just DS2 fags. DS2 is the bastard child of the series and its fans are mentally ill. DS2 fags are worse than NV trannies

>>717321456
I've already explained why Bonfire Ascetics are nothing but a band aid for the way they built their world progression system. A system than can be easily fixed by removing the crafting limit of boss soul items.

>+2 rings
Fuck that system. That's an entirely different issue that shouldn't exist. DS1 has the best ring system. At least with that game the differences in builds were wide, whereas DS2 and DS3 have rings that only give incremental differences. Boring as fuck. Even Demon Souls has a better ring system because certain rings allowed you to approach situations different. 5-2 for example is a massive poisonous swamp, with barely any visibility and you're unable to roll. A nightmare for anyone who doesn't have adequate healing items, unless you stack the heal ring and a blessed weapon +3 and above. Now you can traverse the entire swamp without healing items. You have non of that experimentation in future Fromsoft games.

>>717321553
ds2 fags are literally ds1 fags cause it's the only actual sequel to the series instead of a weird quasi remake that cuts parts of the original out

Pretty fun aside from some notable shortcomings. Still has the best endgame bosses of the trilogy and other From games.

>>717311418
You used to be able to sip and use other healing items in the red arena in DS2. Yes it was as hilariously retarded and abusable as it sounds like.

>>717293013 (OP)
it's great

>>717322080
>A system than can be easily fixed by removing the crafting limit of boss soul items.
No because that removes the "hunt and search" for items in your build, which again makes for a very linear, very gay experience.

>>717293013 (OP)
It was pretty good.

>>717293013 (OP)
Great game

Shittiest in the series for sure. Here is the objectively correct ranking:
BB > DS1 = DS2 > DeS > ER > DS3
Sekiro filtered me so it's not included. Not a souls game anyway.

>>717322305
>No because that removes the "hunt and search" for items in your build
So do Bonfire Ascetics.

>>717316604
>ds2 had a fun world to explore
how do people tell such blatant lies on the internet and sleep at night?

>>717299775
Vordts hammer is the weapon I couldnt stop using after getting it in my first playthrough
Big bonk + freeze buildup was huge

>>717301286
>DS2
>Sunbro Covenant is considered a lost, foreign, and ancient belief that no one remembers and everyone just emulates.
>The Sun Parma is completely different than DS1's shield and has been made in respect to the tales of those that were the Heirs to the Sun
>Can't get anything but the sword.

>DS3
>Covenant is changed back to the same name it had in DS1 and talks about a Knight from Astora, a Kingdom that just exists and everyone knows about now.
>Same fucking shield and they even know who wielded it.
>Same half-assed homemade armor that Solaire made himself is around 10billion years later.

DS3 was a basic as fuck lazy ass game that was afraid to try anything new at all that wasn't a direct rip off of Berserk.

>>717321098
>Making invasions favor ganksquads is retarded
Agreed. Made invasions just not fun and not worth doing.
I miss DS3 invasions. Making thematic characters and having them invade in certain parts of the world was kino as fuck.
>I'll miss you "Cre the Poisoner" who'd invade in Faron Keep with a Ghru spear and poo bombs before the invaded had the chance to collect poison moss clumps.
>I'll miss you "Deus Vault" who'd help out newbies in the High Wall of Lothric with Healing miracles.

>>717293013 (OP)
amazing

>>717293175
>2 was better by virtue of not being DUDE REMEMBER DARK SOULS!?

Lmao 2 is literally DUDE REMEMBER DARK SOULS!? BUT NOW BUDGET AND SHITTIER
Kill all ds2niggers

>>717293013 (OP)
Great bosses
Bad levels
Pretty short but very replayable

>memberberries
you people didn't understand ds3..........

>>717294768
I remember steamrolling some fag trying to bait me to get hit by an enemy down a slope but he didnt know I had pieatas angel attack, a holy hammer with holy resin of whatever you call it and that healing spell underneath. I waited until he moved up and that fag had no idea what was coming.
And I like 3 for Old Moonlight. I solod Midir more than that faggot solod Melania. Best drafon fight.

>>717322356
ds2 propaganda is crazy
bunch of retarded contrarians literally saying anything hoping for a reaction

>>717322347
Using a rare item early on to fight a more challenging boss is not "hunting" for your specific build gear? Right, I guess ds3 linear slop just did it so much better

RIP clans. We may never see them again

>>717312218
Incredibly based thing to say

>>717299775
What else?

>>717322606
You didn’t play the game

>>717322534
DS3 isn't lazy. You failed to understand that DS3 is having a big crunch moment, and that remaining lands have consolidated and thus, led to the rediscovery of past practices and history.

I love snow areas.

>>717322356
>>717322705
lie is when people say something I disagree with

>>717322997
DS3 is so lazy it resurrects dead character like Gwyndolin and Ornstein just to have more fanservice moments. Fucking dragonslayer armor being essentially a "real" fusion of O&S is retarded amount of fanservice bait

>>717293013 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71XgFf288KE
Gael is still my favorite fromsoft fight and OST

It features my wife

>>717323104
>DS3 is so lazy it resurrects dead character
Anon, that's literally core to the story of the Dark Souls trilogy. The linking of the fire is all about life, death and rebirth. What DS3 does that is different from DS1 and DS2 is that the Age of Dark is inevitable. Fire is fated to fade, and no amount of reusing shards of fire for the First Flame is going to stop it. Gwyn and the gods are so desperate to keep their Age of Fire going that they're willing to burn the entire world down to achieve it.

So as you can see, it isn't lazy, you just haven't figured out what's actually happening.

>>717323220
i HATE that bitch but she has a fat ass

>>717293013 (OP)
Roll slop 3. Bloodborne 2.
But I've been watching a spells only speed run and I didn't know spells were so good. Might have to try it for myself.

>>717298304
>muh gank
he was showing you how torch works in these two games

>>717323330
bro no way you can just lit the flame and gwyndolin and ornstein will just srand up and leave, this is the dubest shit ever.

>>717322534
>>DS2
>>Sunbro Covenant is considered a lost, foreign, and ancient belief that no one remembers and everyone just emulates.
That's exactly what it is in Dark Souls 3, retard.
Dark Souls 3 just does it better because you actually find several examples of undead warriors helping each other, leaving items and estus.
>>The Sun Parma is completely different than DS1's shield and has been made in respect to the tales of those that were the Heirs to the Sun
Why the fuck would people forget the imagery? Are you retarded?

Why is /dsg/ like that is this what happens when people talk about one game too much and they end up taking girl hormones

>>717323104
>fusion of O&S
lewd

>>717318427
>It's pretty telling how Elden Ring added power stance back in seeing how dumb it was to have a duel blade weapon type.
Except Elden Ring power attacks are identical to dual weapons

>>717320462
>Because DS2 enemies are intelligently and fairly designed. You can look at an enemy like a turtle knight and intuitively figure out he's going to be a slow, lumbering heavy hitting enemy: and his gotcha backslam makes perfect sense.

>>717323606
Are you telling me you looked at that dude and thought "I should block him"

>>717323606
>has all those spells
>dude, i'm gonna use a door shaped shield and a zwei

It's an arcade version of Dark Souls. It's pretty good if you look at it that way. DS2 is the shittiest, blandest garbage FROM has done.

>>717323606
this dude starts trying to guard break you ONLY if you use shield. Otherwise he's quite passive. Every enemy in dragon aerie has a gimmick like that.

>>717323630
>>717323697
>I-it doesn't count

>>717323606
imagine if that retard was actually good at games

>>717323789
she did hit you with the tip though

>>717293013 (OP)
Solid when it came out, but Elden ring made it obsolete.

It’s why lies of p feels so dated. If lies of p had come out 10 years ago, it would be top of the heap. Now it feels dated.

>>717323789
You got hit here, what is this webm showing?

>>717323872
MUH HITBOXES

>>717323726
>Just don't use shields

>>717323912
the completely accurate hitboxes in this instance?

>>717323789
I fought this boss before Velstadt so I had no idea who the gold guy was and thought they were ripping off Garl lol.

>>717323846
Lol
>>717323872
Lmao

>>717323923
What's supposed to be wrong here, anon?

>>717322534
Astora "just existed" in DS1 as well. Cities can exist for millennia. Crazy i know, must be your American brain that can't process a nation older than 3 centuries.

>>717323429
>bro no way you can just lit the flame and gwyndolin and ornstein will just srand up and leave, this is the dubest shit ever.

Shanalotte: "Once the fire is linked, souls will flourish anew". DS2 ending literally telling you what liking the first flame will do.

Gwyndolin is a different case compared to the other gods. He has Gwyn's, Velka's and dragon ancestry running through him. It's why Gwyn had Gwyndolin from Priscilla, as a child to escape the fading of the Age of Fire. Unfortunately for him, Yorshka mentions that he became sick before the events in DS3. We don't know what that sickness was exactly, but it's likely a result of his dad's genetics.

The Ornstein we met in DS1 and DS2 isn't the real Ornstein. Those are souls in suits of armor as a trial for the Chosen Undead and a reusable trial for the Way of Blue. What this boss is is no different to all the other armor bosses with souls in them, such as DS1, Iron Golem, DS2's Ruin Sentinels, and DS3's Dragon Slayer armor.

Also Sigward is the reincarnation of Sigmeyer. Remember, Dark Souls' logic of the world is based on Buddhism, and what everyone is experiencing with life/death/rebirth is all to do with the Wheel of Fate.

>>717302543
Don’t forget, majula is objectively the best hub world.

>>717323975
>lol
>lmao
yeah, you got hit bud

>>717293013 (OP)
The only good pvp of the whole series

>>717323923
Oh god I remember this glitchy animation. It happened every time after staggering a Heide knight. They also turn completely wackily during that animation that somehow inexplicably damages you, so you really had to roll away.

>>717323935
NO HITBOXES IN DS2 ARE BAD!
THAT'S WHAT THAT YOUTUBER WITH A NICE VOICE SAID!

>>717312218

>>717323997
Dark Souls 2 is non-canon

>>717293013 (OP)
Piss and shit colored game.

>>717323923
>just don't use shield
use whatever against whoever, ds2 actually allows you to use different strats for 99% of the game and doesn't kill you in two hits

>>717324070
>Dark Souls 2 is non-canon
Now that's head canon.

>>717324008
I disagree, but I do think it's overall pretty good especially thanks to the pit. DS3 had a nice hub but not as well utilized. Firelink in DS1 was an extremely good hub and certainly the best, but it's mostly because it wasn't a true hub and just one of a small handful of hub fires your game was centered around.

>>717303314
>bla bla
nuh uh
>bla bla
nuh uh youre wrong
>bla bla
nuh uh, if anything less of them are because you dont just take the one with most range and damage and best moveset to put the weapon art you want on it and ignore every other one
>bla bla bla
nuh uh still didnt even address the lacking infusion and for pvp youll still be weaker than a pure int or fth build also whyd you say "weapons" like what are you counting flame clayman harpoon and magic erdsteel dagger too

i love arguing on 4chan

>>717324073
You get gray poo by eating paper.

>>717324051

>>717323997
gwyndolin reincarnating as gwyndolin is the most faggot reading of dark souls. I guess andre reincarnated as andre and patches as patches too?

>>717324027
Lol>>717323975

>WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

>>717324070
>Dark Souls 2 is non-canon

>>717324190
yes, the damage you took after getting hit by her large poleaxe. Are you well?

>>717324258
I didn't descend into this from a lava world so it's clearly not the same one

dark slop 2 would have been forgotten immediately if it was made by another studio
fromslopper will eat up anything

>>717324225
OUTPLAYED

Literally everyone who hates DS2 has not played the game and are regurgitating youtuber and eceleb talking points.

>>717324325
Dark Souls 2 would have a way better reputation if it wasn't made by FromSoft and wasn't called "Dark Souls 2" thoughbeit

>>717324225
can i fight the nightreign bosses in the real game?

>>717324321
maybe you just don't remember

>>717322945
Dark Souls 2 is the least original and most derivative Souls game.
The story is some awful soft reboot and literally nothing happens in a setting with lore entirely self contained
Every boss is a rehash of old bosses with worse enemy design and boring dudes in armor

A lot of Dark Souls 3 new thematics and imagery is carried over to Elden Ring, while nothing remained from Dark Souls 2

>>717324395
I think I would remember being chased down the elevator by 90001 angry weeaboos protecting their dorito stash

>>717324372
nah no one would give a shit about this trash

>>717324383
Someone is modding them over. Only Gladius (three dogs) feels like it's super multiplayer oriented, but you can still beat it solo. Same with the pests. Libra is kinda but at the same time not really.

>>717324184
>gwyndolin reincarnating as gwyndolin is the most faggot reading of dark souls.
FFS anon read what I actually said. Gwyndolin is a unique case because of his ancestry. He wasn't reincarnated, but it is likely he went into a deep sleep like Filianore to extend his life. He's got dragon ancestry, and dragons are everlasting.

>I guess andre reincarnated as andre and patches as patches too?
They never reincarnated. They died (sleep or peace), and then were awoken by the Bell of Awakening. Also, Andre and Patches are human, which means they are by nature undead, which means they have a shard of the dark soul in them granting them immortality. This is why Gwyn feared humans, because fire is fated to fade, while shards of the dark soul have the power of eternity.

You really need to look into the lore properly, your issue is that you're unaware of this, and you're hearing about it for the first time.

>>717324268
>yes, the damage you took after getting hit
Lol

>>717324463
yeah that is usually when damage is dealt
do you take damage before being hit?

>>717324325
DS2 is about as good as the first Darksiders. So it'd probably be as popular as that.

>>717324184
Gwyndolin and Priscilla never died in DS1. It was chosen so because they are optional bosses.

>>717324117
Ds3 hub was trash. It’s incredibly boring.

I can see why some like ds1, and I agree with your point, but Injustice didn’t find it comfy or memorable.

My hub rating

Majula>nightreign hub>ds1>eldenring>sekiro>ds3

>>717293013 (OP)
its the best dark souls
you have to play dark souls 1 to really appreciate it
but its surely the best in the series

>>717324449
nice, they need to bring the classes too
would love to do a full run with the black witch

>>717324607
Executor is really fun. You get a separate sword for the parry weapon, it's a cursed blade.

>>717324494
I can agree with this, feels fair.

>>717324493
Lol is that why this frame is after she swings?
>>717324258
>Easter egg

>>717293013 (OP)
Worst game in the series.

>>717293364
More interesting level design and it hasn't become dodge role the game so badly. 3 also felt too linear.

>>717324351
"Paladins" be like

>>717324589
DS3 hub is ultimately hard carried just by finding dark firelink for me, but I do think the layout is actually nice and it's very well designed and comfy. There just isn't actually much to do there unlike most of the other hubs.

Nightreign Hub is alright but honestly didn't do much for me. It's better than Elden Ring's by a longshot, which to me is the worst of the series by a pretty large margin. I think the Nexus beats it solely by being more interesting aesthetically even though it is certainly the hub with the least going on.

>>717324709
>More interesting level design
????
>and it hasn't become dodge role the game so badly.
I can block, tank, stagger and space in Dark Souls 3 effectively
Only in Dark Souls 2 armor sucks, shields take 3 days to raise and lower, hitboxes are huge, so all you can do is dodge

>>717324654
Yes, that's correct, that is why it's the frame when her swing completes.

>>717324828
Shrine of Amana is a great level. What is the map of it supposed to imply?

>>717324828
>admits to being bad the game at a skill level
of course you dont understand good level design

>>717324828
>Dark Souls 2 armor sucks
pretend I posted a webm of you getting staggered by a rat in Dark Souls 3 because poise is complete and utter nonsense post DS2

Is there any reason to play Dark Souls 2 vanilla over Scholar of the First Sin, other than the different enemy placements?

>>717324989
You get the DLC keys from the start and petrified people aren't as important.

>>717299775
this guy said it >>717301178
The Farron Greatsword, what a lovely moveset and range

>>717324989
no
the enemy placement in og ds2 is even more retarded

>>717293013 (OP)
I didn't play it and I'm probably not going to, ever

How does this make you feel?

>>717324828
No-man's Wharf mogs everything in 3

>>717324989
There's only one reason and it's to experience the pure joy of opening the funhouse door in Lost Bastille as was originally intended
then you can shut the game off and play the version that is a 100% improvement in all ways

>>717293013 (OP)
Same as all fromslop games ever: mid and reddit

>>717324880
>Corridor is actually a good level
>>717324882
>>717324917
Poise and armor don't exist in Dark Souls 2
Not even the lightest weapons get tanked because they do combos and instantly destroy
Armor gives no damage reduction. It's all very flat and relies on the player being ignorant and putting armor when it does fuckall, because Dark Souls 2 is a dodge rolling game with no other viable strategies

>>717322356
>>717316604
>>717317035
Dark Souls 2 level design feel more blatantly "video gamey" than others Souls and that's either a good thing or bad thing depending on what you like in games.

>>717297507
you can intentionally run around aggroing every enemy in an area in demon's souls and dark souls as well, you know?

>>717325103
Everything in this post is blatant lie or you just didnt play the game.

>>717325103
>Corridor is actually a good level
Yes, a simple level design whose challenges are watching your footing to follow a semi-crumbled, submerged path while a mix of melee enemies and mages pressure you to advance quickly is, in fact, a good level. Combine it with good ambience and it becomes a great level.

Huntsman's Copse is a great level for almost entirely opposite reasons. There is more to a level than an aerial map.

>>717325132
brother, the point isn't the gank. the point is the gank is completely unthreatening because you have infinity roll.

>>717299775
>spear's fast pokes and halberd's damage and hyper armor combined on a single weapon
>weapon art that not only gives you a lightning buff, but also fuctions as an effective medium range projectile
>peak aesthetics
>obtained as a reward for the best boss in the base game
>extremely strong in both PvE and PvP
yeah, I'm thinking it's perfect

Forest of Fallen Giants is a boring starting zone, you have to admit this even if you like the game.

>>717325363
>the best boss in the base game
yeah nah

>>717325384
I think FoFG has great level design but it has some of the ugliest texturework in the entire game next to the Shaded Woods. It is absolutely unavoidable that you will see the utter dogshit repeating wall textures.

>>717293013 (OP)
It's the best fromsoft game to date, even though I like DaS more.

>>717293013 (OP)
How many times can we have this same thread? Dark Souls 3 was the last game I played because I grew really tired of the formula. All of them including Elden ring play and feel the exact same as Demon's Souls except for DS2.

>>717325535
DS3 and ER are markedly different from DeS and DS1. Literally just look at swing speeds, roll frames, and roll-stamina-cost.

>>717325582
They feel more or less the same. Animations change sure but the actual engine and movement are more or less the same. Dark Souls became the Call of Duty of it's genre

>>717325653
They feel the same broadly, but the differences manifest a lot in the design overall. The games are a lot more frantic starting with DS3 and leaned more into faster action. You have a lot more stamina and can swing more, faster, and roll away easier than ever, while bosses also match the pace and attack faster and move faster. If you go back and replay Artorias or even Manus compared to Pontiff it should be pretty obvious how different things get. They just turned up the dials. It feels similar enough but small tweaks actually do change a lot.

>>717325778
Fair enough. I don't care about the minute details, in the grand scheme of things they play and feel identical more or less. Either way I couldn't stomach Elden Ring not because it's bad, I am just sick of the genre and series. I had to force myself to finish DS3

>>717325653
>Dark Souls became the Call of Duty of it's genre
King's Field and Armored Core were the Call of Duties before Call of Duties.

Dark Souls 1 is exceedingly close to a remake of KF2. They have been doing this longer than you have probably been alive.

>>717325257
nope, anyone can actually test and see how nothing but rolling works well in dark souls 2
even iron flesh is completely useless because damage reduction and poise simply suck as system, so doesn't actually help
>>717325308
It's boring as shit as every level of Dark Souls 2 is just flat corridors, the rest is cope

>>717325852
Gah-dangit yer right. Japs love to rehash shit. Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest

>>717325384
It's the only area in game that isn't boring and completely vertical.
I still think it's the most boring starting zone, but it was clearly created as fake demo to trick ds1 fans
>look at this map where everything revolves around a single bonfire
and they never did it again in the whole game

>>717325910
>full armour
>AIIIEEE A SINGULAR NORMAL WOLF BIT ME FUCK I AM STAGGGGEEERRIIIIIING

I found my first invasion webm

>>717324051
i wouldnt say its glitchy
its an immediate attack to get the player off of them, and his swipes left and right to ensure he hits the player if they're too close. It's actually quite prevalent in Bloodborne. its like a single frame attack to prevent the NPC from being stunlocked, like how we used to do in Demon's Souls

>>717326091
A few enemies have it in DS2 but they're mostly early game. I know the basic spear guys have it and those estoc guys do.

>>717325917
Most people like more of the thing they like, then maybe they get tired of it and the devs have to change things up. That's just normal. I don't know why it's bad. I'm still pretty happy with the formula, but I haven't gone out to play a bunch of other imitators either. But I've also been playing since KF4 and have been quite happy with almost every game From Soft has ever made that I've played in the past 20~ years. I'm not all that happy they've become more and more action gamey instead of slower paced, but it's not a dealbreaker for me yet.

>>717324351
>character has to spam 1 combo to have a chance
>players claim he's okay because of this
black k***ht buff when? tired of getting our shit pushed in by Crucible Knight mains

>>717323606
Just push forward nigga wtf is he problem? You can literally just walk under those attacks

>>717326002
I never got staggered despite having light armor (Thief set) because armor actually works in Dark Souls 3, unlike Dark Souls 2 where a single base game early enemy will stagger you with a sword swing while you are using a great hammer.
With Iron flesh I can completely tank through one of the hardest ecounters in game by moving tactically and using lures, despite having no heals, because damage reduction actually works in Dark Souls 3 unlike Dark Souls 2

>>717326278
>I never got staggered
yeah, yeah you did.

>>717326278
every webm you have shown of you in ds3 is you getting staggered

>>717326278
>posts another webm of getting staggered in knight armour by fucking dogs
How deep do your delusions go?

>>717326278
You make us actual DS3 fans look bad. Stop posting webms.

>>717325064
>Map was so bad they had to add a shortcut
>>717326337
No I didn't, you don't even know what the stagger animation looks like, retard
That's aimpunch, but that's expected when your favourite game is about floamsticks weightlessly going through models

>>717326430
>my character getting hit and stunned isn't stagger
>it's aimpunch
okay retard

>>717326378
The only staggers are those when not attacking
Meanwhile in Dark Souls 2 you get staggered regardless because it's a dodgeroll game
>>717326401
Nice larp

I found this video and it has nothing to do with the thread but it's about to die anyway and I think it's interesting.

>>717326479
>robot crabs
what will they think of next?

>>717326470
can you post a webm of you attacking in heavy armour in DS2? like you do for DS3?

>>717326451
>>my character getting hit and stunned isn't stagger
That's not stagger. It's the character in Iron Flesh flinching from hits because neutral but still in control
You would know if you weren't a retarded secondary tourist

>>717326470
>The only staggers are those when not attacking
good job understanding why poise past DS2 is retarded finally, congratulations on getting the very fucking basic context of the conversation at last

>>717326526
yeah that's why you couldn't roll out of the first stagger and took a second hit, right? Because you were totally in control?

Fashion is the real meta and DS2 has the best drip. It was also the last game to have colors; everything after is the same shade of drab blue, browns, and greys.

>>717326516
>can you post a webm of you attacking in heavy armour in DS2?
I did, against basic starter enemies>>717325103
>like you do for DS3?
That's not heavy armor i'm wearing in the Dark Souls 3 webm, that's a light set actually which works on light enemies like wolves. I have only 15 Vitality with one of the heaviest UGS in game, but still works against light fast mobs because Dark Souls 3 is a sensible game with rational game design where armor actually works

>>717326581
Basic, but based.

>>717326596
Neither of those enemies are 'basic starter', and you've been flinching in every single DS3 webm. I'm gonna have to install DS2 and record actual gameplay not made by a fucking retard.

>>717326537
>good job understanding why poise past DS2 is retarded finally
Dark Souls 2 poise is retarded because even when attacking your hit resistance is absymal
Dark Souls 3 poise is great because when you enter hyperarmor frames you can reliably tank, so tanking has become a legitimate, viable playstyle
>>717326568
>yeah that's why you couldn't roll out of the first stagger and took a second hit, right?
I didn't press roll in the first place. The animation is not a stagger, it's a flinch, newfaggot

>>717326596
I would like you to go record yourself in the heaviest armour in DS3 and get hit by a basic rat
then go do the same in DS2
let's not cheat and have yourself get hit by an enemy beforehand for DS2 to empty your poise meter

>>717326692
>Dark Souls 2 poise is retarded because even when attacking your hit resistance is absymal
>nooooo I demand my ultra weapons be brainless!
>Dark Souls 3 poise is great because I love armour not protecting me unless I'm attacking!

>>717326671
>and you've been flinching in every single DS3 webm.
The only stagger I got are where I wasn't attacking not in iron flesh, even when I had no Iron flesh with the Thief set I just ignored hits
Again this is the Deserter armor from the thief class with a marginally heavier helm and I can still tank while R1s on oate game enemies
Just accept Dark Souls 2 is a bad rollslop game

>>717293013 (OP)
best souls game

best music they've ever done, best bosses they've ever done, best areas they've ever done, best set of weapons they've ever done.

>>717326875
but enough about Demons Souls

before thread ends do you guys want a des, ds1, ds2, bb, ds3, or er webm

>>717327090
Sekiro

>>717327090
dubs say ds1

>>717327090
check the 2 for DS2

>>717326775
>>Dark Souls 2 poise is retarded because even when attacking your hit resistance is absymal
Correct
>>nooooo I demand my ultra weapons be brainless!
Dark souls 2 is a rollslop game
>>Dark Souls 3 poise is great because I love armour not protecting me unless I'm attacking!
Why would you tank if you aren't attacking? That just causes armor to be OP (dark souls) or useless (dark souls 2)
Connecting tanking hits to hyperarmor frames actually makes the act of tanking skulillful enough to warrant power
And if you want to tank regardless just use Iron Flesh like I did and forfeit your mobility for passive poise in a way that gives an actual tradeoff

>>717327126
I don't have any. Best you're gonna get from me.

>>717327193
>why would armour work when you aren't attacking?
I don't know, retard, I'm going to have to think all night to figure this one out. Why would it work only when you're attacking?

>>717327203
sovl

>>717327250
>Why would it work only when you're attacking?
I explained it in the post you replied to
Because you can actually make armor powerful without making it OP

>>717327353
>there are only two options
Peak brainlet just wanting to ungabunga with great weapons and doesn't care so long as the mechanics support it

>>717327141
I have a DS1 clip I've been meaning to convert for 2 years but the thread is about to end and I found this one again.

>>717327457
SOVL

>>717293068
>>717293095
>>717293151
Fuck off DS 2 shitters. DS2 is a chinese rip-off which barely belongs in the series. It's a generic fantasy rpg gathering unfinished levels with pretty bad level design.
Cathedral of the Deep >>>>> anything DS 2 offers.
The only saving grace of DS2 is its build variety but it doesn't mean much wif it's to play dog shit content. PvP is ok though

>>717327457
this entire thread in a nutshell

Didn't read + filtered

>>717327457
>tfw you were there when it was posted but cant remember why
i swear it had something to do with auto-lock on...

>>717327457

>>717327687
I feel like the guy who made this one is the same who made that Morgott one.

>>717293013 (OP)
too bloodbornian, sickdark even

>>717293013 (OP)
GOATED, best souls game.
And no, Sekiro is not a souls game, you morons.