Thread 717308746

Why is this one forgotten but Secret of Mana is beloved? They play almost identical but this one has far fewer bugs.

>>717308746 (OP)
Not Japanese enough

I don't understand this game.

>>717308746 (OP)
I also remember not liking it
I don't remember why

>>717308746 (OP)
I never made it past Bugmuck as a kid

>>717308746 (OP)
Part of the problem is that it was developed by a U.S. team, so the art direction is kind of ugly, and the game itself lacks the subtle charm of a Japanese Action RPG.

>>717308746 (OP)
It got hit with a hate campaign from people refusing to engage with what it is instead of what they preferred it would be. Turns out the hate campaign was pure BS and we didn't get this 'instead' of SD3. There are a few games on the SNES that are decently good but narratives well poisoned them and people flat out refused to engage. Hating them from the very start. ActRaiser 2 is a similar example.

>>717308746 (OP)
Seems like a cult-classic. And it was so rare back in the day, I remember renting it ONCE and that was it. Played for a weekend.

>>717309376
>>717308974
>>717309237

I loved it though, felt like a 90s comic book.

>>717310030
I don’t recall this at all

>>717308746 (OP)
I really liked this game. The cheesy humor, alchemy system, market trading and use of the dog were all fun. The story and ending had a neat twist I enjoyed too as well as the Cecil cameo. The only thing that bugged me a little was the slow recharge for the attack but you get used to it quickly. The best thing about this game is that it was never really sought after and finding a copy for around $5 wasn't that uncommon.

>>717308746 (OP)
Cause it wasn't as good as the Mana games and some people thought it kept us from getting Secret of Mana 3 or whatever that one was the west never got. Which I dunno how true that is but I definitely remember speaking with people who said that. All that aside it's my favorite of all those early Secret of whatever games. It's weird sci-fi setting scratched my back way more then the wizards and fantasy setting of the other games.

>>717308746 (OP)
I replayed this game recently and found the mazes nightmarish compared to SoM. I also hated how you'd have to do a ton of backtracking just to get a specific material to utilize your alchemy. Also, leveling up your weapons was pointless because by the time that you reached level 3 in a weapon, you'd get a new one to replace it and have to grind it out all over again. It didn't hold up for me playing it again as an adult.

>>717308746 (OP)
It might play the same on the surface, but the level design is absolute fucking garbage. Halfway the team just gave up and made everything into the most atrocious teleport maze you'll ever play.

>>717308746 (OP)
>no 2 players

This pissed me and my brother off so much when we picked it up seeing as we loved the multiplayer in Secret of Mana

>>717312023
I enjoyed the forest and the pyramids

>>717310030
Nobody did this. This is pure internet revisionism. People werent organized or aware of this at the time.

>>717312227
This. I only became aware that the game wasn't as highly regarded as Secret of Mana once I checked out reviews on gamefaqs back in 2000. I rented Secret of Evermore as a kid and really liked it because it reminded me of Secret of Mana.

>>717310506
You don't recall everyone hating on this because they saw it as the reason SD3 didn't come out in the west? It was all over the Internet in the years of the late 90s when the games were solidifying their reputation. It was all bullshit too because it was never true. SD3 wasn't coming with or without Evermore. It's one of those things that makes me not take someone's opinion seriously because I know they're parroting old gossip on the internet and not seriously someone who gave the game a chance and has an opinion on it from playing it in good faith. I have a similar eye roll bullshit detector for people doing this with ActRaiser 2.

>>717312407
The internet wasn't even really aware of SD3 until it was translated and playable via ZSNES.

>>717312407
No

>>717312227
You people are fucking liars. I'm not talking about 1995. I'm talking about circa 1998 when all the games were getting their reputation solidified on the internet. This applied to the games that didn't have mass appeal like DKC and acted like a scarlet letter if you had the wrong narrative around your game when forums emerged. If you don't remember people doing this you're a liar.

i loved this game and beat it with my mom and siblings i still listen to the OST as the music is banging af

back in the day i rented it from blockbuster and played it so much the cartridge burnt out

>>717312402
yeah this was a rumor that started in the aughts. Its when I started hearing about it.

This reminds me of the retards trying to say that the ppl in movie theaters all gasped that arnold was the good guy in terminator 2. When in reality the trailer gave that away. I dont know why people revise shit like this.

>>717308746 (OP)
I've always had a love for this game and Jeremy SOULe's soundtrack. I think it was one of his firsts after graduating college.

>>717312407
Not the guy that you're arguing with but by "all over the Internet," you're just referring to gamefaqs and conversations like that didn't start until the early 2000s. People in the west barely knew SD3 existed until then since you couldn't emulated a translated version of it.

>>717312129
????
i distinctly remember letting my siblings play as the dog

>>717312767
>OST
yeah it has major Super Metroid vibes. Pure atmosphere with some cool melodies thrown in

>>717308746 (OP)
I loved this game. Best dog companion in any game still

>>717308746 (OP)
Secret of Mana had multiplayer, Secret of Evermore did not. Also the story was kind of dumb

>>717312553
Which is....late 90s. We're talking about a misinformed narrative poisoning the game's reputation. That's 3-4 years from release. It's now 30 years from release. In other words the poison lasted a good 80% of the game's exposure time.

>>717310506
>>717312227
You guys are liars who did not grow up with it. Everyone wrote in asking why they weren't getting Secret of Mana 2 or 3.

>>717312129
>>717312847
2nd player can definitely play as the dog

>>717310030
ActRaiser II lacked the sim portion that made ActRaiser so memorable. As an action game, it's passable, but the action portion was the least interesting part of the series

>>717308746 (OP)
Because while it has its charms, the maps themselves are pretty badly designed so it sometimes gets confusing on where where your supposed to go, The hitstun is massive for some reason, and Alchemy is tedious bullshit. Its just boring and annoying to play at times for those reasons. The OST is mostly ambient.

Cecil giving you a bazooka is pretty good though. Honestly I wouldn't mind another crack at it and even having the Boy and Dog mix it up with Mana series characters in crossover shit.

>>717312845
Gamefaqs was the fucking internet are you people stupid? Go to other vbbs and see the same thing. Emulator forums where they trash people for asking how to play games like this or ActRaiser 2 instead of helping them solve the run issues. Do you have Google? Can you go back and see the vitriol being thrown at games like SoE or are you gonna gaslight and pretend this didn't happen. I'm done with you fucking morons I was there and I saw it happen.

>>717312936
No it wasn't. It was translated in the early 2000s and still buggy for a few years after that. You're referring to late 2000s gossip from a few gamefaqs spergs. There was no organized hate campaign in the late 90s. The world wide web in the 90s barely existed outside of a few webportals, tacky corporate webpages, askjeeves, and MUDS.

>>717313142
You're stupid and you weren't even born. There was no 90s hate campaign. You are making shit up.

>>717313142
screencaps or it didn't happen bud

>>717308746 (OP)
Not really memorable. Boring characters and locations.

>loved secret of evermore as a kid
>wanted to be the main character for Halloween
>got a wooden sword from a Ren Faire
>painted it Green like Evermore's Neutron Blade
>needed a red vest to match the protagonist's design
>parents "had a red vest to share" in their closet
>their old Target uniform

>everyone thought I was a killer cashier
fml

>>717308746 (OP)
i owned this when it released. i love it. it is beloved by me.
shame Soule was a sex pest and never made anything that sounded like it ever again.

>>717308746 (OP)
As a kid I always liked this one better.

It was harder to manage 3 characters instead of 1 protagonist + a dog.

Also the hits in Mana always seemed to register like 5-10 seconds later. And the lore was nonsensical

>>717313142
You watched a youtuber make shit up and regurgitated what he said. No one was trash talking anything back then my dude. There was no hate campaign. I have fucking clue what you're even saying about actraiser 2. You make it sound like the newspapers were filled with this shit and all nerds were whispering about it. No one cared.

>>717309376
>so the art direction is kind of ugly
you are insane.
or so much of a terminal weeb that only animu style appeals to you.

>>717310030
Actraiser 2 was hard as fuck

Anyone else remember that baseless story that this was supposed to be a horror game before getting rejiggered late in production and that being the reason why you don't have a final fight with the butler and such?
I like those weird stories

>>717313308
>Not really memorable.
this will never leave me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4z2xx8bmQU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I3nKL29K-Y

>>717313685
first time i'm ever hearing this.
and yeah, you may not fight Carltron direct, but you fight his robot that looks like him and that he is literally controlling. it's literally the final boss.

>>717313594
Yeah, the most criticism that I remember people saying about Secret of Evermore was that it was good but not nearly as good as Secret of Mana (and I happen to agree fully). That was the extent of it. The game was well liked and it commonly broke into the top ten SNES boards on gamefaqs from around 2000 - 2006 or so. People liked it back then.

sex with fire eyes

>>717313920
I'm not saying that it's right or not I'm just recalling from what I read in some old threads.
There were some old magazine interviews posted talking about it and part of the story is the original tone is why the commercial for the game was a lot more intense than the actual vibe of the game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEu8wDAQuDk

>>717312941
Which magazine are you talking about? I was subscribed to Gamepro in the 90s and I don't remember any sort of outcry at all. There may have been a tiny article about it but I don't really remember that at all. I do remember a massive 15 page article about Chrono Trigger and constant Lunar the silver star ads, though. There were so many Lunar ads that I really wanted a sega cd but never ended up getting one.

>>717314120
doesn't make sense.
are they trying to say that they made the commercial back when Evermore was going to be "horror" and the sat on it for the entire rest of development? probably not. commercials aren't made that far in advance.
so then what supposedly happened, they turned in the wrong materials to the marketing department?
nah. it's intense because that's what sold.

Deserted Castle my beloved

>>717313142
>Gamefaqs was the fucking internet are you people stupid?
GameFAQS oldfag here, you're retarded.

this part made my preteen butthole pucker

There were a lot of cool things about the game. However the level design was a bit confusing and there was a lot of "where do I go next", right from the beginning. Plus there were bugs, I remember a really easy one where you had the flying machine and lowered yourself and circled where you'd float back to the starting point without the flying machine.

>>717312941
>>717314423
yeah, i also don't remember many 12 year olds saying
>Where the fuck is Secret of Mana 3, a game I probably don't even know exists and is never localized in this decade????

eventually the rumor started spreading that SoE is the reason we didn't get SD3, but that was eventually debunked when it was revealed that Square had totally passed on localizing it. it was SoE or nothing.

>>717314023
>not nearly as good as Secret of Mana
it's possible i played Mana first, a friend owned it, but i still think SoE does some things better.
i like that you don't lose all your charge if you're attacked. it pissed me off that even if the attack MISSES, you still lose all your charge. why would i bother trying to get all the way to 8 and waste that time?

>>717308746 (OP)
The trading quest

I'm 42 years old and played a lot of both games at sleepovers and will chime in, a major part of why Evermore was kinda poorly received was they absolute dog shit multiplayer. SoM supported 3 players with a multitap, where each player could individually level up their weapons and skills, making for INSANELY fun sleepovers power leveling various weapons. In SoE, it only supported two players, and the second player had VERY limited control over the dog. So the fact SoM had insanely good multiplayer for the time and SoE had such dogshit multiplayer was a major factor in why a lot of people didn't like it, it was only really fun to play by yourself.

>>717314775
I preferred the vibe and humor of Secret of Evermore over Secret of Mana and I also enjoyed how broken the alchemy system could be. I think they're both good games.

>>717314856
eh, plenty of other great SNES multiplayer games that it didn't bother me.
i had SoE, my friend had SoM. i honestly don't remember what his opinion of it was when i showed him, anymore.

>>717312794
>I dont know why people revise shit like this.
they weren't alive and make up whatever makes sense to them

>>717314856
SoE never had 2 players retard-kun.

>>717315506
Maybe he played the rom hack? That came out in 2009? Which means he was having sleepovers in his 20s?

>>717308746 (OP)
I know that I beat this as a kid or at least got very far into it. I barely remember anything except the opening though, fire eyes and bugmuck. The desert, horus, and some city streets you can teleport to.

the biggest shame is that SoA shut down the studio and they never got to try anything else.
Evermore was good enough to warrant one more game, at least. 700k copies.

>>717309290
When I first played it I never did either, I loved playing it though since I saw how far my older brother's friend had gotten and was excited to eventually get a bazooka or some cooler magic spells. I think I got to the huge ribcage bug bastard a few times and ate shit.
Picking up on it later in life I love the sound design but damn does it meander around at the beginning. I give it credit for having a good variety of environments but the whole prehistoric world part overstays its welcome after you get the spear.

>>717314775
This is going to shock you, but adults played video games and purchases magazines in the 90s.

>>717315893
i was going to give you a present, but not if you're snarky.

>>717308746 (OP)
Felt like a bootleg Secret of Mana, plus it came out right before Square said they weren't localizing Seiken Densetsu 3 so it painted a picture that Evermore was the reason we weren't getting a Mana 2. The ugly graphics didn't help it either. Rented it back when it came out and had no compulsion to ever replay it while I was still doing replays of Mana every few months for the fun of it.

>>717315804
Obviously he played the rom hack, so yes, he was having sleepovers in his 20s.

What a fag.

I liked secret of evermore more than secret of mana, largely because of the pulp setting and because the alchemy system was really cool.

>>717308746 (OP)
the game is cool, but its blatantly inferior to Secret of Mana in pretty much every way. still fond of it though.

>>717308746 (OP)
Terrible fucking hitboxes

>>717316195
>Felt like a bootleg Secret of Mana,
because it literally is.

>>717312227
Game magazines existed back then along with the internet, people knew of SD3 as both EGM and Gamepro had articles on it. I don't know why you people who weren't even alive in the PS1 era think you knew how things worked back then.

I loved the music, and the world's, and the characters. Reminded me of chrono trigger cuz it was time based cultures.
I really loved the map that came in the box, and the hand writing used in some of the things that came with it. I started copying the writing style, I liked it so much. They don't add stuff like that any more... its sad...

>>717316442
based, I have an old cloth map from one of the ultima games laying around somewhere myself

>>717308746 (OP)
Would it kill you to put the name of the game somewhere in the comment, filename, or subject?

It's a good game — underrated. Today I'm a big fan of ambient music, and the Secret of Evermore soundtrack was probably the first ambient album that I really got into.

Secret of Evermore is complete kino and one of the best games on the SNES. Anyone saying otherwise has never played it and has no idea what they're talking about.

>>717316394
>Game magazines existed back then along with the internet, people knew of SD3 as both EGM and Gamepro had articles on it.
True. There were websites and webrings in the mid-1990s dedicated to Japanese video games that never came out in the United States. Even back then, we knew all about SD3, FF5, Bahamut Lagoon, Wonder Project J, and so on. We even had ROMs and some half-decent emulators. I remember waiting a long time to finish a download of a 4 MB Chrono Trigger ROM, and splitting it up with PKZIP to fit it onto some floppy disks.

>>717316394
The Internet back in the 90s consisted of tiny webportals, shitty corporate webpages, AltaVista, askjeeves, and MUDS. No one really knew what SD3 was until the rom was translated. I had the Internet in the 90s and no one gave a shit about it in any sort of organized manner. I hadn't even heard of it until I downloaded a rom pack from some random romhacking website in the early 2000s. The only webportal that I posted on back in the day was portal of evil, though.

Sure, if you do some digging, you'll probably find an article about it in gaming magazines. I had gamepro in the 90s and don't remember any articles about it at all. If there was one, it was a small article that didn't make much of an impact until wikipedia started referencing them decades later.

>>717317857
>PoE
ahahaha
i started lurking around the millennium. did you follow their several migrations over the years?

>>717318005
I stopped posted there around 2005 or so. It just got boring and old. I remember laughing my ass off at crazy grandpa and a bunch of other insane websites that they hosted. I remember when SA was a portal of evil affiliate until it grew larger than PoE itself and broke away from them

>>717308746 (OP)
My entire childhood I thought that was Carnage and this is a Spiderman game.

>>717308746 (OP)
It wasnt really forgotten, its just old
I personally really like it

>>717318110
Oh, and for lurkers that don't know what crazy grandpa was, it was a website that a teenage Canadian girl dedicated to her grandpa who suffered from dementia. She would snap pictures of him doing insane things like flipping out and smashing the walls of her house with a sledge hammer. It was great.

Evermore > Secret > Trials

>>717317857
I know "Secret of Mana 2" was mentioned in Nintendo Power at least once.

>>717308746 (OP)
>muh bugs
Lmao look at timmy parroting youtuber shit

>>717318707
I'm sure that it was mentioned in gamepro but I have no memory of it and I loved secret of mana as a kid. Even gamepro's article about Shaq Fu for the Genesis was more memorable to me because I believe that they gave it a 3.5/5 which was a typical average rating for fighting games back then. I found it kind of shocking once I started lurking the Internet and found out that people hated it. I didn't think that Shaq Fu was that bad. I thought clayfighter and shit like that was way worse. The SNES port was awful, though.

>>717309237
it was probably the map puzzles and the idea of spending too much time in the water pipes or teh forest that broke you and realizing how short the game is and how useless melee is is what drove you off from replaying

https://youtu.be/iF0i55epJuY

Evermore has an inspired world and Mana is kinda generic anime not gonna lie

>>717313013
>ActRaiser II lacked the sim portion that made ActRaiser so memorable. As an action game, it's passable, but the action portion was the least interesting part of the series
Actraiser 2 is an extremely good an unique action game, though understandably not what Actraiser 1 fans were expecting. 1 is the one with merely passable action.

>>717319085
First soundtrack composed by Jeremy Soule before he went on to do the Elder Scrolls and so many other games.

i will help settle this "did people know" dispute.

but only if someone either tells or shows me something about Evermore i did not know.

>>717319402
he had a lot of help from Julian

>>717308746 (OP)
Secret of Evermore is like if you combine Earthbound with Secret of Mana

Oh and Yoshi’s Island just celebrated its 30th Anniversary

>>717310030
>and we didn't get this 'instead' of SD3

We also got Final Fantasy Mystic Quest over Final Fantasy V iirc

But holy damn the OST sounds very Capcom-esque I wouldn’t be surprised if any Capcom-posers secretly did the soundtrack for it

https://youtu.be/KaMNKS-LNTQ

>>717309290
There’s a glitch you can do with the Atlas alchemy spell obtained during the Roman section of the game, it’s a funny way of breaking the game.

https://youtu.be/dLKN4_3Y27E

>>717314078
you know she fucked the entire village

>>717309290
Im the type of kid that grinded all weapons to level 3 in bugmuck, just killing the worm enemies for hours

SoE is one of Square's forgotten gems

you fags made me want to play this again
holy fuck this boss was just as much of a pain in the ass as i can remember

acid rain was the best spell I kept it around all game not really for damage but because it stalled all enemies in place for 10 seconds at a time

>>717320917
>>717320965
>>717321017
all of the renders from this game were great. i'm glad i still have the official strategy guide.

>>717312767
Based Gamer Mom, is she still into gaming?

>>717308746 (OP)
The fact that earthbound got all the praise and SoE got ignored is proof we’re on the bad timeline.

>>717319437
any takers? i'm going to bed soon.

>>717308746 (OP)
it's a pig disgusting western game and you can feel it when you play it

>>717321402
You want somebody to tuck you in?

>>717316924
Which webring are you referring to? Give a name since you were alive back then.

>>717321551
someone really doesn't want that present

>>717321154
It's that early CGI era that has a lot of charm to it

>>717319437
In the stats screen, it'll say "Anon's Stats"
If you happen to name the boy or dog something that ends with an S, the apostrophe + S will be just an apostrophe. So instead of "Anon's Stats" it'll be like "Niggas' Stats"

>>717308746 (OP)
That one has atrocious graphics and music.

>>717310030
I don't doubt turbo autists did that but most people who played games back then didn't even know that Secret of Evermore existed.

>>717313715
These are my happy place songs
https://youtu.be/R9gxm3kLBv4
https://youtu.be/VfbYqUwiLl0

The controls are way worse than secret of mana with enemies thay just ignore collisions at random. Magic is useless, you never really need it outside of that one buff and some healing.

>>717321823
Secret of Evermore was in rental stores next to Secret of Mana but there was no hate campaign at all. That did not exist until the late 2000s/early 2010s. People just considered it diet Secret of Mana.

>>717314078
Most underrated gaming loli

>>717321823
Yes, they did, you tard. That giant red bug on the cover was plastered all over SNES ads.

>>717321823
>didn't even know that Secret of Evermore existed.
700k copies sold, anon.

>>717321947
Most people didn't know that it existed, anon. Hardly anyone played RPGs back then. None of my friends did. If it wasn't for my brother showing me how dungeon master worked, I probably wouldn't have gotten into RPGs either.

>>717321823
It was all over gaming magazines here in europe at least

>>717321635
eh, fuck it.

let me go ahead and do these peoples' fucking job for them, and actually gather evidence.

here's a post made 10 days after Evermore released.
the opinion might not have been widespread, but just like the people who hated Sonic CD's US OST, it was always there.

>>717322039
>MUH SALES

700k isn't shit back then and now.

>>717322085
>retard once again spouting shit he doesn't know about or was even alive for

Go back to tiktok.

>>717308746 (OP)
its a harder than secret of mana and was i think made by westerners

>>717314023
Secret of Mana itself was but had bugs of its own and flaws too, namely, not being able to leave characters off screen which ruins the pacing, bad hit detection, not the best world map when riding Flammie (its a fucking globe)

>>717322135
you are retarded
700k is a lot for sales at that time, 1 million usually counted as extremely succesful

>>717321927
It wasn't in my blockbuster growing up but I lived in a small town in the prairies so lots of shit was hard to find. The only place that ever brought in anything rpg adjacent was the local ma and pa game store until EB games came to town. SoE is supposedly not rare but I never saw a single copy out in the wild throughout western Canada when I was collecting games in earnest in the 2000s so I consider it pretty niche.

>>717322135
>700k isn't shit back then
nigga the majority of SNES games sold <100K. very few third-party non-sports games sold over that.

>>717322135
>700k isn't shit back then
enough to put it in the top 100, for sure. out of a library of 700+

>LOL U CARE ABOUT SALES
so does literally everyone who sells a product, anon

>>717322172
there was nothing hard in this game outside of getting out of a labyrinth that needed a guide to be explored because the game just let you rot there.

>>717314120
One commenter mentioned wanting a cartoon adaption and that would’ve been cool

>>717322085
schizo nonsense. Go back to donate to your brave pink haired speedrunner and stop pretending you know anything about gaming.

>>717308746 (OP)
Gaijin Densetsu hurts the gooks' ego by being able to rival the quality of the Mana games so they've forcibly memoryholed it in the last 30 years.

Also idk maybe there's some kind of licensing stipulation for Jeremy Soule's music.

>>717322330
yo nigga post proof that you actually played games back then. nigga bix nood here is one of my end game saves. bix nood nigga nigga cuz unk i got a bunch more screenshots so don't fug around

>>717308746 (OP)
Are you high I fucking love Evermore
Fuck I dont have the Official Art in this computer to post, its so rad

>>717321823
lmao fucking retard this game was on all magazine covers on releases and the add with the bugs stayed for months and months. It even had a TV add iirc. And it was one of the rare games to get a French translation at the time just like Secret of Mana. There was nothing obscure about this game.

>>717313685
There is a reason that rumor took off, all you have to do to turn the game much darker is to change a few textboxes in game and because there is really a big disconect cometimes with the amazing music and the silly dialogue

>>717322202
never had issues with followers ai. sounds like you are having second hand hate from something a speedrunner told you

>>717322418
Post your save nigga nigga unk what teh sigma rizz rizz. I hate you zoomers.

>>717322393
it would.
i want to live in the timeline where Evermore was enough of a success to get a Saturday morning cartoon that lasts like 10 episodes before it was cancelled and now there is a fan revival project born from its cult status

>>717318185
Ever heard of Maximum Carnage?

https://youtu.be/DuEJq4gPoqg

>>717322450
>emulator
tertiary discarded

>>717322742
And it got toys made based on the cartoon that now would sell for thousands of dollars

>>717322773
I don't have a 40 year old PC laying around. Are you retarded?

>>717322432
>rival the quality of mana
The sort or retarded take you read on american magazines. evermore was clunky as hell

>>717318707
Was Trials the better name or should they have stuck with the sequel naming scheme?

>>717322828
you aked about playing back in the days. And then you admit yourself you barely played it last week when your favorite retro streamer speedrunner talked about it. Fucking peasant.

Has anyone played this and beaten it?

I forgot it existed

>>717322883
sm2 has a great story and many beautiful visual effect but the battle felt less dynamic and the seed system made gearing up dull as fuck.

>>717322924
I forgot about it completely.

>>717322886
That's an end game save and I had to emulate a 40 year old game if I wanted to replay it since my hardware and software are relatively modern. I did that for fun because it was nostalgic for me. Where are your saves? Surely you've replayed something from your childhood at least once.

>>717314443
>it's intense because that's what sold.
Or whatever this is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d15qmRzn2Pc

>>717322039
there are no official sales figures for Secret of Evermore. The closest I can find is a claim that it sold 27k in November of 95 the month after it came out in North America in a source on vgsales fandom, which is a little dubious. But based on that it most not have sold much in North America and maybe it was more popular in europe

>>717318943
>Shaq Fu mentioned

I’ll take this opportunity to share my favorite song from it and wow the game has like 10 songs total

https://youtu.be/vwNY9piFxJc

>>717323053
The music was why I rented it several times back then despite it being a chore to play. That plus Kaori.

>>717321331
>earthbound got all the praise

It took the power and exposure of Smash Bros though

>>717323035
i remember the first time i saw that commercial.
i was like
>what the fuck is this...?
>WHAT the fuck is this?
>WHAT the FUCK IS THIS?! IT LOOKS AMAZING
and then i saw it was Final Fantasy 3, and all my hype vanished.
i had a friend who owned it, wouldn't let us play it because he was that paranoid about his saves, and would only let us watch. i would be bored every single time.

>>717323008
>tripling down on being an emulator zoomer right after talking big about "playing it in the days"
missgeneration idiocraty at work.

>>717322924
Haven't beaten it yet. I'm lukewarm on it, If you can it on sale I'd recommend it. Gameplay is more or less inline with the trials of mana remake. Before you start the game install the "Enable Second Jump" mod that lets have your normal movement in town. The game is probably a better experience if you turn off the treasure locations on the map. So the game doesn't turn into a mindless checklist. There is also a mod for that. I'm You want to get all the treasure chests for the seed upgrades. I'm playing on normal, the game is really easy you might get bored on that difficulty.

>>717323286
ChatGPT thinks that you're a complete retard that isn't worth my time. Can you explain?

>>717319483
Even so wasn't he just a teenager or coming out of his teens when he got the job? Pretty rad. Wonder what that must've been like

>>717308746 (OP)
Because it was tedious shit. You had to grind mats every second attack misses, dungeons are shit mazes. And on top of that it has boring ass "atmospheric" music and shit characters with limited story so while wasting your time you don't even get anything entertaining.

>>717319835
Mystic Quest fucking ruled

>>717308746 (OP)
The commercial was pure kino. Wouldn't be surprised if the people that amde Mighty Max did this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEu8wDAQuDk

>>717313685
yeah I remember

>>717323568
apparently, the guy in charge of dev kept coming to him and telling him to cut down the music, make the size smaller, so they could cram as much graphics on the cart as they could.
so he was constantly reworking tracks to make them simpler and reduce the audio footprint.

>>717322274
Secret of Mana sold double those numbers

>>717322306
Whomever was picking games for my Blockbuster had impeccable taste. I had access to Illusion of Gaia, Lufia 1 and 2, Secret of Evermore, Final Fantasy VI (3), Earthbound, Ogre Battle, and basically every other game you could have wanted to play. Except no FFIV (2). That was really the only omission.

>>717323981
What in the fuck is this shit? No one my age (39+) knows what in the fuck this is. Why is that guy's blog some kind of authority?

>>717320965
>black guy
Woke game.

>>717310030
>ActRaiser 2 is a similar example.
they removed the best part of the game andbutsobeit

>>717323981
>there was a guy on the dev team that NO ONE REMEMBERS OoOoOoOoOoOoOo
>screenshots with obviously shooped text
it was obviously fake from the beginning

>>717322116
ESLs were ruining already the internet in 1995?

>>717324320
Pretty much, if it wasn't for the city building sections ActRaiser 1 would have been just another pretty looking game and lost in the sea of similar early games like Super Ghouls 'n' Ghosts and Super Castlevania 4. I also hated the gliding mechanic in Actraiser 2 as well.

>>717323981
Sounds kino

>>717322330
90% of SNES games were horrible platforming shovelware that people rented once and forgot about for the rest of their lives. 700k sales are bad for any game that was worth a shit.

>>717324320
I must be the only one that thinks the god simulation was the worst part of the game

This part was a nightmare, but memorable.

>>717324735
It wasn't anything fantastic but it set it apart from all the pure side scrolling games that were 99 percent of the game market back then.

>>717324776
The entire game was a nightmare. Every dungeon after the ancient area was a horrible maze.

>>717324776
You can just ignore it completely right, there is no mandatory item in the market iirc

>>717324857
I think you just need to do a small trading sequence for progression, but there's a lot of powerful accessories there.

>>717324857
>t. an actual black man

>>717324735
I bet there's hundreds of you. HUNDREDS!

>>717324776
My autistic ass loved this part as a kid.

>>717324530
Even if that were the case people would actually treat it fairly like SGnG. But they don't and that's the point. You can say it would be better with town building but it's not a bad game.

>>717324501
progress is an illusion. time is a hallucination.

Secret of Evermore, while having some redeeming qualities, is often criticized for its pacing, convoluted dungeon design, and uninspired story. Many found the combat system, with its charged attacks, to be clunky and frustrating. The game's overall structure and lack of character development also drew criticism.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:
Pacing and Story:

The game's opening sequences are intriguing, but the narrative quickly becomes disjointed and difficult to follow.

The plot relies heavily on familiar RPG tropes (forests, deserts, mountains) without much originality.
The hero's lack of character development and the marketplace saga were criticized for not being engaging.

Combat and Gameplay:

The charged attack system, while potentially strategic, often led to frustrating moments where players had to wait for the attack meter to fill, leaving them vulnerable.

Many found the hit detection in combat to be poor, causing attacks to miss even when seemingly on target.
The dungeons, described as large, winding mazes, were often criticized for being too long and tedious, with repetitive enemy encounters.
The alchemy system, while novel, required players to collect ingredients, which could be frustrating due to the poor hit detection and the need to constantly manage inventory.

Other Criticisms:

The soundtrack was inconsistent, with some great moments overshadowed by ambient tracks that didn't fit the game's tone.

The game was criticized for not living up to the legacy of its predecessor, Secret of Mana, despite using similar gameplay mechanics.
Some players felt that the game lacked a sense of polish and that it was rushed to release.

>>717325417
Thanks chatgpt!

>>717325417
Thanks, ChatGPT.

>>717325514
It's easily the best post ITT by far because 4chan is so good.

>>717308746 (OP)
Replayed this a few years ago, co-op. Had a really good time, although I played as the dog and made my wife play as the kid and deal with all the alchemy shit.

>>717325589
In the sprawling digital landscape of the message board, there are posts that are insightful, posts that are absurd, and posts that are just plain bad. But the AI-generated one, buried in the middle of a long thread, is something else entirely.

It's a post so perfectly polished and yet so utterly empty that it stands out as the worst of all. It parrots the thread's general sentiment with a bland, uninspired correctness, using a vocabulary so sterile and a sentence structure so flawless it's as if it were carved by a machine.

There's no human error, no passion, no genuine thought—just a hollow echo of the conversation, a ghost in the machine haunting the digital space with its soulless perfection.

It’s the uncanny valley of text, a post that looks and feels like a real contribution but is, upon closer inspection, just an algorithm's soulless attempt to pass for a person.

>>717322528
No one cares about Europe. Didn't Trump just make you retards toss our salad? You're irrelevant.

>>717323981
Thats bullshit but I believe it.

>>717325907
And it's still more insightful than all of you shitsucking retards. That's pretty sad, isn't it?

>>717312950
>>717312847
>>717312129
There's a mod to let you do two player. It doesn't natively have it

>>717326016
>says absolutely nothing of substance
>hollow criticisms with zero articulation. "it's clunky." "the narrative is disjointed." "it lacks polish." pointless buzzwords thrown around with no explanation or examples
>alchemy doesn't have fucking hit detection. when you cast, you don't have to fucking position yourself and time your shot so that it intersects an enemy sprite or worry about AoEs.
>SoM's charge system is way more frustrating. i sure do love charging up to level 7, getting slightly brushed by an enemy which doesn't even damage me, and losing it all.
ask grok if it can cure your retardation.

>>717308746 (OP)
Has an absolute unique atmosphere. Shame the last part is rushed to death. Great game!

>>717324280
This was back when you could have a black guy in your game because you wanted to and not because you had to check a box.

>>717310427
>>717326397
What makes you say it? I feel so, too, but I can't pinpoint it.

>>717326360
All of that is true and you're delusional if you think otherwise. You just spam alchemy over and over and over a million times since there is no cooldown and you kill every enemy immediately. You have to do that in Secret of Evermore since weapons are worthless unless you want to grind to level 3 over and over. No one did that. They just abused alchemy.

>>717320942
The first time around he was easy as fuck. Played it like 5 times and every time after the very first playthrough he was very much a pain in the ass.

>>717321740
>music
Excuse moi
>>717321857
Pirates? Jungle city? Near perfect ost.

For me its
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcWGih3nojI

>>717325951
Trump is currently in the process of tanking the USD’s status as the global reserve currency, so soon we will be the salad tossers.

>>717326459
>All of that is true
how is the narrative disjointed? how is the charging more clunky than SoM? how is "boy from the modern day and his shapechanging dog get sucked into a machine designed to create an alternate world which was constructed by a group of socialites to mirror their desires" a "common RPG trope (forests, deserts, mountains)?" how are forest, deserts and mountains "common RPG tropes?" they're common fucking biomes. aw man i really hate those common RPG tropes (you play a character, you move, there is an ending).
how the fuck is the criticism for the market that it's "not engaging" instead of "too engaging?"
how the fuck do the ambient tracks "not fit the game's tone?"
none of it is true.

>since weapons are worthless unless you want to grind to level 3 over and over.
better than grinding to level 8 over and over and over and over. the only thing i'll give Mana is weapon variety, but even then there's a few useless ones like the glove. you want to talk about shitty hit detection? that's SoM's bow.

>No one did that.
i did that in October 1995.

>>717326403
The 90s was the beginning of box checking, zoomoid.

I think people need to avoid sweeping generalizations about what "everyone" or "no one" did back then. Your personal experience is not necessarily the same as everyone else's.

>>717326686
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXNaT8prB0s

>>717327104
There were certainly boxes to check but you weren't required to check them.

fuck this boss
why does he need to have 2000 HP when you are only doing 80 per spear throw

>>717328095
That's not even 20 attacks. Don't get lazy anon.

>>717314713
>one hit KO if you leave the lights on
They eat you. There really are horror elements to this game.

>>717328095
This guy is a massive early game filter, especially if you didn't level magic or the spear.

>>717325997
Ed Kann shows up in the blog's comments and says it's all bullshit, as does someone who claims to be the person who hired everyone on the team.

>>717328095
just raise your spear to lvl 3 bro

>>717325907
>chat gpting a post about chat gpt
it's not meta it's just retarded

>>717328095
>already using a full walkthrough to get enemies hp
lmao.

>>717328920
Using AI to reply to AI is, in itself, a meta-commentary on the subject. The concept is a fascinating loop: one artificial intelligence creating content that is then consumed and responded to by another, demonstrating a self-referential system where the tools of creation are also the objects of interaction.

It highlights a feedback mechanism where an AI is essentially "talking to" another AI, with the human role becoming one of observation or prompting, rather than direct participation in the conversation itself.

If other users also make use of AI, it only makes sense to use similar tools, after all. What benefit is to be gained from wasting actual human thought on a reply that had no human thought put into it?

>>717326459
>spam alchemy
>when resources are rare and expensive
It's like ff8, you never uses it except the cheap healing and the melee damage buff. There's like 2 spots in the game were you can benefits from farming using magic and that's it.

>>717325951
what a weird, nonsensical yet fanatical post. The saddest part is that you are just some brown kumar trying to fit in.

>>717326124
This is some Mandela effect stuff. I SWEAR I’ve played this a friend before. I still have the cartridge, need to verify.

>>717326432
The space station felt…empty? Like i expected more boss fights, a better final boss, maybe more alchemy or special ingredients. I guess it just felt lackluster for this sprawling mystery that literally ends with “The butler did it”

>>717329472
Same thing happened to me, I owned it as a kid and could have sworn player 2 could be the dog, but it isn't true on the original cart. There's been a romhack out for something like 20 years though that allows 2p to join in as the dog.

>>717329923
That rom hack has been around since the Zsnes days, was probably made soon after the game came out.

>>717330034
I doubt 10 years is "soon after"

>>717325951
>Europe
Literally their own fault

>>717330080
>Secret of evermore release date 1995
>Secret of Evermore: 2 Player Edition 2003

Eh, close enough.

>>717327047
lol

>>717327047
>the salad tossers
Art of eating ass according to urban dictionary

>>717329572
Empty and copy paste everywhere. Few cutscenes and prolonged dungeons or enemy areas. Secret boss is conceptually cool, but boring gameplay wise.

>>717330547
Yeah. I guess i was spoiled by the trading sequences with tons of loot, hidden spells, hidden call beads summons, etc, and then the space ship was just “have dog kill robots, move to next room, repeat. Kill final boss in 30 seconds”

They really blew their load on the first half of the game.

>>717308746 (OP)
>Why is this one forgotten but Secret of Mana is beloved?
Evermore is memory-holed because it cost us an initial western release of Seiken Densetsu 3 - which only made it to the west decades later, in the wake of the Trials of Mana remake.

>>717332040
That’s bullshit, though.

>>717332040
You didn't get it because it would've cost too much to localize and fix all the technical issues with it like all thosr non-functional stats, buffs, mechanics, etc.
(Which is ironic given how broken SoE turned out where you can easily softlock yourself at nearly every corner)

>>717332040
The lie that people say is revisionist history and totally never tanked its reputation happening in this very thread you can't make this shit up.

>>717308746 (OP)
Daily rick remender that nintendo europa choose:

lufia
secret of evermore
terranigma

as the JRPG one per year from1995 to 1997

instead 3 of these:

ffv
ffiv
ffvi
tales of phantasia
star ocean
secret of mana
chrono trigger

>>717330286
in 2003 you were playing on the ps2, the snes era games were already fossils in a museum

>>717312767
>>717312857
>>717321857
Still can't believe this was Jeremy Soule's first soundtrack.

>>717333075
Tales of Phantasia originally actually performed pretty damn bad, sales-wise, on release and didn't get traction until later through word of mouth.
It and Star Ocean also probably would've cost way too much with their 48Mbit carts and additional chips in SO's case.

>>717331714
>have dog kill robots
Having a hard time without robot toaster dog

>grey
>brown
>swamps

>>717308746 (OP)
Because it didn't have any follow-ups since the studio that made it went defunct right after making this game. A shame too since it's one of the best ARPGs on the SNES. The only thing it lacks is multiplayer in the base game, which has been modded in since forever. It's a game I recommend to all my friends just due to how unique and how good it is.

>>717323852
American animation used to be so fucking good. I'd even go as far to say it beat most contemporary anime at the time. It's such a shame it was wasted on just shows that were advertisements for toy lines and it never got to live on past the early-to-mid 2000s and mature into something remarkable.

>>717327754
Don't bother. You're arguing with either a troll or a terminally online zoomer that wasn't alive when having a minority in the game wasn't a sign of it being retarded political propaganda. It's like talking to a boomer about the current job market and how it sucks. They literally can't understand.

>>717326686
I can't explain the feeling this song gives me everytime I hear it, but it's so hauntingly beautiful (in the actual sense. It feels like walking among the underground ruins of a Roman or Greek city and imagining what lives of the people that once lived there and how ephemeral our existence is. Everything we love, lived for and interact with will become like desecrated ruins someday, yet we still live on in the hopes that entropy doesn't conquer us in the present.). This is the most beautiful piece of video game music I've ever heard.

Wow an actual fun thread gets to remain up throughout the night, good morning my fellow Mana and Evermore enjoyers

>>717308746 (OP)
I thought Secret of Mana was kind of shit to be honest. Never got the appeal.

>>717337056
This whole rebel arc was so ass, it really shows how much cut content there was near the end.

>>717319835
Nah, MQ was Ryuji Sasai who did SaGa 3 and Treasure of the Rudras. He's one of the best composers to ever work at Square.

Evermore was a fun IDEA but a meh execution. I wouldn't mind a modern sequel but not a cheap rescale, I want the same IDEAS but done properly. Bonus points if there is no fucking MISSABLE content

Secret of Evermore was my favorite SNES game. I have so many fond memories of that game. I love that it was made by Americans. JRPG's are fun, but they're so fucking japanese you basically have to guess at what's going on due to bad translations and cultural bullshit.

>>717324040
Because Japan existed.

>>717314967
I never really explored the alchemy system because to get components for the good stuff was a constant drag.
Just use the dog.

>>717308746 (OP)
I'm about to co-op this game with a friend through netplay. I already know what I'm in for, I've I played it once over a decade ago. I understand the criticism I don't really think it's a hidden gem. Just in all honesty it was an ambitious game by an amateurish team that got a chance to make something real with the engine Secret of Mana used which in itself had flaws. Soule showed hints of his future brilliance in the soundtrack but it's not actually there yet and it's kinda mixed.

I think its biggest appeal is simply being a playable aRPG with that sort of 8 direction movement perspective. There's a nasty and very possible softlock bug that has nothing to do with the player in the game so anyone who's saying it's less buggy than SoM just doesn't know what they're saying.

>>717335103
Good effort post, but the thumbnail looks like Hiler lmao.

>>717333075
Lufia was absolutely worth it.

>>717337276
You needed friends, anon.

>>717338027
The fuck, now I see it. It looks like Hitler in the MGS artstyle if it was also red.

>>717337284
The fact that they added that shit-tier voice acting to the remake, but ZERO cut content, is just another reason that modern Square has lost their way.

>>717308746 (OP)
I played the fuck out of this as a kid. I loved the world changing theme it had going for it.

>>717338257
Subliminal marketing.

>>717338710
Yeah and how the dog reflected each world being different. Back in the day we had rented copies, so I remember starting a new game and having two other ones that were other kids play throughs, further along.

>>717335103
A minority actually was PC propaganda back then in many cases.

I prefer Evermore to Mana. The setting is more unique, somehow feels more magical and like an actual adventure and it has more soul (and soule) to it.

>>717308746 (OP)
I was disapointed that this red nigga was an early boss, while the last boss was just some dude with a gun

>>717338710
Exactly, anon. Every biome shift felt like a whole new game. Prehistoria to Gothica was such a wild leap-like going from Flintstones to Frankenstein. That kind of thematic variety just doesn’t happen much anymore. And the way the OST evolved with each zone? Even if Soule hadn’t peaked yet, it still hit differently.

I loved the OST. Lots of atmospheric themes for following you through the adventure, and the midboss theme was very cool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaqp0g1Bgmw

favorite dog form? for me, it's picrel
>doesn't pee
>doesn't shit
>brings the newspaper
>makes your breakfast
>kills your enemies

>>717342980
I was all about the prehistory wolfdog monster. Everything else was kind of a downgrade. The toaster dog was cool because of ranged attack, but I missed my beast.

>>717342980
I like the Pharaoh hound looking-dog.

>>717312847
>>717312950
Anons just now realized that they were handed the unplugged player 2 controller while their older brothers played.

>>717345406
lmao

>>717342980
Toaster dog is the only form where the dog feels as strong if not stronger than the player character.

>>717345406
kek

>>717339569
Such as?

>>717337567
So the sales sucked then and you're all retarded? There is a reason why there was no Secret of Mana 2.

>>717337276
The whole game feels like an unfinished beta that accidentally got released early. Easily my least favourite in the series (Final Fantasy Adventure/SD1 is a beast of a GB game)

>>717346258
**secret of evermore

>>717337056
Shouldn't an arpg like evermore be done in no time nowadays?

>>717322167
None of my friends know what in the fuck secret of evermore was. This game wasn't fucking mortal combat or Mega Man X or DKC. You're a stupid fucking retard.

>>717345537
Dog's muchuch stronger, even if you count magic spam dog trick.

>>717346271
It was cut down and rushed once you get to the Sage part.
Some stuff apparently ended up in Chrono Trigger, hence why Chrono and Marle kinda look like Randy and Primm.

>>717322418
It was not a popular game in the states compared to other games like Earthworm Jim, DKC, Super Mario World, Mega Man X, LttP, Super Metroid, Mortal Combat, etc etc etc. No one cares that the most popular gaming magazine in Slovakia advertised the game.

>>717346625
>zoomer trying to fit in

>>717308746 (OP)
Westoid fanfic that pretends Cecil from FFIV migrated into different dimensions and learned how to use a bazooka. You'll probably enjoy it if you're american and grew up with stuff like Saban's Digimon.

>>717329203
Brown kumars are the people that believe this game was popular and sold well because the only gaming magazine in their microcountry advertised the game 30 years ago while it was mostly ignored in the US and Japan.

>>717337284
The Emperor’s sprite looked hard to imagine what it is. Sort of like a misinterpreting sprite like Agahnim in Link to the Past.

>>717341079
Yeah even Mana Beast felt like a bigger grand boss in comparison, also the music really sets the tone! Even GaMetal covered it

https://youtu.be/yX2TlR45eG0

>>717347445
No numbers cited, I did hear the same, even decades ago. Not very successful launch.
>>717348374
Is it on purpose?

>>717333394
snes emulators were starting to get good around 2003

>>717348859
It sold half of what secret of mana did and RPGs in general were niche in the US until Final Fantasy 7.

>>717349087
I do believe that japs hated the us square studio, too.
>evermore
Am I wrong to assume that such a game would be easy to release nowadays?

I love Secret of Evermore, I replay it every few years and have a great time

>>717349193
Probably. My point is that all of the zoomers telling me that I'm full of shit for saying that RPGs weren't popular in the early - mid 90s are idiots. None of my friends played RPGs back then. They were into mortal kombat, street fighter, and platformers like megaman and mario. These games didn't sell well in the US. What I'm saying shouldn't trigger you if you were alive back then. I did get one of my friends into RPGs by showing him how to play Dragon Warrior IV, though.

for some reason I associate this game heavily with earthbound. maybe it's just the american-ism of them

>>717347996
Jesus you are going at it again? What a fucking retard lmao.

>>717347445
>REDEEM THE AI OPINION REALITY DOESN'T MATTER SIR.
This is getting sadder and sadder really fast

>>717347445
LMAO THIS IS YOUR SOURCE JESUS HOW IS THAT REAL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>717333075
Tales of Phantasia was heavily advertised in US Nintendo Power but never got a US release as far as I am aware. There was another (non-squaresoft) game that was like a Zelda clone but you played as 3 kids I remember waiting for that never came out. One kid had a baseball, the other had a cowboy hat, and I don't remember the third.

>>717349504
You weren't alive in the 90s. RPGs were niche. They weren't blockbusters like newest mortal kombat game or killer instinct. This game in particular came and went silently.

>>717349404
>all of the zoomers telling me that I'm full of shit for saying that RPGs weren't popular in the early - mid 90s are idiots
Too much, really. Let me help
>all of the zoomers...
>... Are idiots
Done!
>rpg weren't a thing back then
Totally. They were almost dead end of the 80s and always nieche. Diablo and ff7 were the turning point. I'm not that old, but I read gaming papers for fun. Over 99% are crap, but some papers about gaming history or vidya stories ate fun. The science community adores silent hill 2.

Secret of Evermore is great. It's just as good as the Jap Secret of games.

People who keep saying Secret of Mana plays better than Secret of Evermore needs to go back and play them both back to back. Evermore plays better

>>717342980
I like the part in the game where the Poodle Dog wears a Pigmask (before they were cool in Mother 3) and races a bunch of real Pigs

>>717349778
The dog's AI is way better than the companion AI in Secret of Mana but I can't stand the mazelike dungeon design in evermore. I never want to do that cave teleporter maze again or the castle vent maze with the dog.

>>717349730
This is correct. Only my absolute nerdiest friends even liked RPGs, and they were mostly into Breath of Fire because it was like their anime.

>>717317857
You are nuts, SD3 was in a few magazines of the era and was a big topic online even before the translation came out. I rented the Japanese import from the game gallery as like a 13 year old back in the day.

>>717349778
no. Stop pushing that fiction like it's the latest asmongold meme. people did play both games and there's no dount that Mana plays better than Evermore.

>>717317857
Why are you so retarded? All posts are just you shitting yourself with incomprehensibly long fanfic history that just shows how little you know about the time from before your birth. It's literally insane. You need help. stop.

It's another thread where Americans, Europeans, Asians and Africans of varying ages are confused and angry that *their* childhoods wasn't like everyone elses.

Just saying. Carry on.

>>717350031
It wasn't a "big topic" online until the ROM was translated. No one had heard of it. You zoomers can't gaslight me. I remember how big of a deal it was when someone translated it.

>>717349932
Outsta ding game, even if that's my 5th post in this very thread saying how awesome it is.

>>717350142
Just became some random magazine had an article about the game doesn't mean that everyone knew what SD3 was and talked about it. That didn't happen in the 90s. When I was a kid, none of my friends even knew what FF6 and Chrono Trigger was until I let them borrow the games. The Internet barely existed. You didn't have "influencers" hyping you up for the latest slop release. You'd just go to funcoland one day and you'd see new games that you hadn't heard of before or see a console demo set up at an electronics section.

>>717350560
Lmao, half of this thread was alive in the 90's, you fucking sperm. You will not be the "cool historian hero" of this thread with your lies and bullshit because you talke from your ass and from grok while people there WHERE.FUCKING.THERE. unlike you, tertiary piece of shit.

>>717350186
Still repeating that nonsense? wtf is wrong with you? Like, mentally, how many self diagnostics, how many pills per hours? That can't be healthy

>>717350652
Nothing that I'm saying should trigger you if you were an American kid in the 90s. I can tell that you're way younger than me.

>>717350186
I was born in 85 dick head, I literally played SD3 from an import shop the year it came out. Why do you think the 90s were void of information?

>>717350067
It doesn't, core gameplay is better in Evermore. My source is reality bro

Wasn't there a way to soft lock yourself around the pyramid area if you talked to some people in the wrong order?

>>717350827
>I literally played SD3 from an import shop the year it came out
Do you think kids commonly did that? They didn't. You had a very unique childhood.

>>717350953
Do you think in general kids played English patched roms in the 90s/early 00s?

>>717351002
I did

>>717350953
Just about every smaller game store had imports. Not my fault your family went to block buster and KB Toys.

>>717351002
Nerds online did. The Internet in general was niche compared to today. It was a very popular rom patch at least on gamefaqs message boards which was a huge website at the time.

>>717351024
And I and many of my friends rented games from a place with important video games

Graphics were depressing looking, the setting was boring and characters bland

>>717351189
Name rpgs form the super famicon that were better in those points

>>717351063
Do you honestly believe your classmates rushed to the import shop to play games that weren't even translated? Even you don't believe the crap that you're typing. They went and played Killer Instinct and NBA Jam, anon.

>>717351269
Secret of Mana

>>717351347
SoM has
>an interesting setting compared to guy trapped in vidya evermore, a peak trope btw
>characters that aren't bland (but silent, lol)
Admittedly SoM is colourful compared to evermore. Personally I like evermore for it's graphics, too.

Official Dog Power Rankings:
greyhound > toaster > poodle > fat mangy wolf

>>717351312
I'm not sure what you are arguing to be honest. I'm simply saying SD3/SoM2 was known to people in the west before the transition. My friends group all played it, we imported stuff all the time.

Now what are you saying?

>>717351089
I would say it was more popular to play an imported game on real hardware then it was to download a fan translated rom and play it on ZSNES in the 90s and to say the reverse is frankly insane

>>717351853
Your autistic friend group was not the norm. Most people just rented games or if they were lucky, their parents would buy them a game or two a year. Imports were very expensive. Games in general were pretty pricey back then. I remember my dad paying 80 dollars for FF6 and he was bitching about the price of it.

>>717351960
You would say that because you're a dummy. Why would someone pay 300 dollars for an import when they could go to zophar's domain and download the rom for free?

>>717352080
Again, not sure what your argument is here but you say your dad bought FF6? So you're European? Because in America it was FF3.

Whatever childhood experience you have is very different from American children's childhood.

Once again my point is plenty of kids here in the first world knew about SD3/SoM2.

>>717352380
I might be remembering this wrong but I don't think Zophars Domain hosted roms in the 90s. It hosted emulators, tools, and other such.

>>717352473
>Once again my point is plenty of kids here in the first world knew about SD3/SoM2

This is a load of shit. RPGs were niche in general until FF7 released. You're trying to reinvent history by claiming that RPGs were popular during the early to mid 90s when they weren't at all. I was the only weirdo in my friend group that played them for a long time. I remember how huge FF7 was and how suddenly all of my friends were into Final Fantasy when they were just playing fighting games, platformers, and shit like goldeneye.

>>717352680
There were links to websites that hosted roms and romhacks on zophar's domain. They were later removed for legal reasons I'm assuming.

>>717352803
I don't think that's true, ZD hosted the patches and and whatnot but never the roms. I don't think they would link to a rom site. I'd assume it would be cool roms back in the day

soe has a certain feel to it. the locations and music makes it unique and ill never forget it

>>717352728
So to be clear you are European right? Because saying jRPGs were niche is like saying anime was niche back in the 90s. Yeah I guess compared to football and action movies but that's a silly benchmark to have

>>717353005
I could be misremembering but my point is that people online definitely played SD3 translated and it was a pretty big deal on gamefaqs. It was very easy to find links for it all over the internet. I highly doubt there was a massive amount of people importing the game during the 90s. None of my friends had even heard of Secret of Mana until years later. Nerds that were interested in the series downloaded the translation patch for the sequel. There was a lot of buzz about it at the time.

>>717353110
No, I'm American. They were niche here during the 90s until FF7 released. Only weirdos like myself played them.

i thought we settled this.
yes, the opinion was there.
no, it was not widespread.

for every post i find just totally shitting on Evermore or blaming it for lack of Japanese Square translations, i'll read 5 that say Evermore is amazing.

The reason I didn't like Secret of Mana is because I played Secret of Evermore and experienced its more refined gameplay first.

>>717353258
I never said people didn't play SD3 translated, I played it myself on a Dreamcast of all places sometimes in the early 2000s. My entire point is people knew what SD3/SoM2 was back in the 90s

>>717353379
I question your American status since you called it FF6 but more importantly you have some sort of main character syndrome where you think you were in some secret fucking club because you liked jRPGs in the 90s when jRPGs were selling by the millions in the 90s.

>>717326459
Alchemy cost resources which ment you couldn't spam it without first collecting a ton of the required resources. Compare that to magic spam in SoM which only required stocking a single MP restorative item. Also, hit detection was FAR more garbage in SoM, or rather the game had absolutely retarded rules around how enemy invul periods worked which made any multihit attack pointless since only the first hit would ever connect. It was never worth charging past level 1 because so many higher charges were multihits that would wiff most of the attack but even the first hit just missed anyway more often than not so it wasn't worth wasting the time it took to charge. The game was entirely about spamming lv1 charge attacks until you could afford to never run out of MP and then it was nothing but magic from there on out. Weapons were far more effective in SoE and the game actually encouraged a mix of attack options.

>>717353708
Who are those people? You and a tiny handful of usenet posters? SD3 was practically unheard of until the translation patch and subsequent Internet buzz.

>>717308746 (OP)
The soundtrack is amazing.

>>717353997
Bro, SD3 was in Nintendo Power. What are you talking about about

>>717354135
Wow, one article in Nintendo Power that no one would give a fuck about if it wasn't for the Internet referencing it decades later. Millions lined up for it during the 90s. It was bigger than Mortal Kombat. I totally misremembered my childhood. Thanks for correcting the record for me.

>>717354262
Once again you're talking about other things and trying to shift what we are talking about. No one said it was as big as Mortal Kombat.

I remember my childhood well, we know SOM2 was a thing in Japan that we would get one day. The game showed up in import shops. jRPGs were a niche thing in the 90s the same way anime was, as in half the school yard knew about them and consumed them.

>>717347445
I’m still happy Evermore exists, the only tradeoff was an official Trials of Mana/Seiken Densetsu 3 localization for the time which we eventually got many years later and before Mother 3 too lol

>>717309376
The game always had this sense of doom and gloom that Diablo and Darksouls has and I loved it as a kid

was the bazooka having infinite ammo a bug? Seemed to be game breaking

>>717353807
You guys are all bots. Here, have a bot response.

FF7 is why JRPGs blew up in the states.
Saturday Anime is why anime blew up in the states.
yes, they were around before then. no, they did not get anywhere near the attention as they did after.

The design isn't perfect, I think his eyes are too close together, the mouth portion is a little too big, and they should never use the face he makes around banandium gems ever again, but DK was overdue for a refresh. Even Mario has gone through minor changes over the decades, and this one brings DK more in line with the rest of the franchise. People act as if Nintendo needed permission to redesign their first named character, and that they can't tweak it going forward. Also, I would have had a bigger problem with this if they had done it in the NSMB era when everything looked like plastic shit, there seems to be a willingness to experiment that wasn't present for a long time.

This is the only game in my life that had a full unrecoverable hardlock.

I was fighting pic related and randomly the game asked if I wanted to save. As a retarded kid I selected yes. The game went to the main menu. From that point on every time the man menu came on and you hit start it would redo the main menu in an infinite loop and you couldn't get past the main menu screen

I took that shit to Funco Land to sell. The retarded wagie verified it worked, saw the main menu and bought it. Had he press start I would have been fucked

>>717324776
weren't there items you got here that just did nothing?

>>717355989
their effects were finally found, but there's debate on whether those effects are the actual intended ones or just bugs.

Remember The Twisted Tales of Spike McFang? That's another SNES game that got shit on with a bad rap but I thought it was awesome

i can't believe an Evermore thread lasted this long.

>>717355080
Yeah
Picking up ammo after having it maxed out also broke the counter.
The whole game had a gazillion glitches, ranging from items having no effects, items already having their effect activated from the start of the game, being able to miss crucial items to flat out soft- and hardlocking your game in a baffingly large amount of ways.
>open the dungeon doors in Ebon Keep in the wrong order? game fucks up
>open the gate inside the dungeon when searching for the diamond but leaving it instead of approaching Tiny? game fucks up
>somehow manage to pass the sandpits without the Jaguar Ring? can't cross a bridge anymore in the halls of Collosia (though you can get it from Fire Eyes)
>land in the wrong spot on the map? airship gone
>pyramid glitch where you can't leave because all the platforms are gone
and many more

>>717355583
Takes one to know one.

bump

>>717358103
gotta be European art.

>>717353912
Weapons were hot shit compared to just spamming crush and annihilating bosses in two seconds.

>>717358103
>The boy is actually a gigachad

>>717356494
/vr/ would never hehe

>>717358103
Did the boy and dog ever get official names?

>>717358553
believe it or not: commissioned one by Japanese
Nintendo had a bunch of "illustrate those sprites as something appealing to the gaijins - no, you won't see the actual art" artists for their western Nintendo Powers and Club Nintendo mags under their wings who did the page illustrations, comics, posters, etc. and for some reason they even did some of those for Evermore.
It's also how you got stuff like the infamous Katsuya Terada FF4 interpretations or middle-aged-bum Lance from Illusion of Gaia.

>>717324776
This was my favorite part though.

>>717310506
I don't either.

>>717332070
>>717332968
Bullshit or not, it's the perception at large - and that's why it's a forgotten title.

>>717358103
How tf is vulgor moving?

DROP YOUR BOY/DOG NAMES ON THIS POST

Boy
>Brent
Dog
>Spike

All other names are non-canon btw

>>717361249
Boy
>Edward
Dog
>Fart

>>717360216
I really have to emphasize the border artwork here.
I absolutely loved that weird-ass mix of vines, spears and what always looked like lizard embryos and body parts encased in popsicles to me.

>>717358103
He somewhat looks like Marty McFly it’s the red vest

>>717361249
I like Saturn for the Boy and Nirvana for the Dog in this TAS Speedrun the delayed audio glitch may be annoying to some but I personally find it hysterical

https://youtu.be/Yj3Nq7TLM38

>>717362327
>The fucking wombo combo the boy and dog give to raptors at the start

>>717362034
That's obviously by choice

>>717361406
No one does daring art anymore, huh? At least not in vidya or God forbid custom artwork for a online article. The latter are already 100% ai generated in video game 'journalism'.

How does a Secret of Evermore post get 400 replies in 2025?

>>717308746 (OP)
Uglier, not as fun, more linear, less variety.
If your average kid even gets to the end of the game they'll be relying on the dog's 9999 hit for a lot of shit instead of being able to play normally

>>717365241
It turns out when the board is nothing but a sea of shit, people flock to the only good thread. Funny how that works.

>>717365839
People recognize quality faat

Some of the stuff was plain weird.
Like, why did the Aegis boss have a kinda out of place Doug Tennapel-esque moon as one of its masks/shields?

>>717308746 (OP)
Why was Visions of Mana got so mixed critics? The game is cozy, beatifull and the soundtracks ang gameplay are amazing. I dont go into a mana game expecting an AAA, so being what it is, it should get more recognition. Also, it was better than FF7Rebirth for me, I hate ubisoft/spiderman tier checklist sidequests, doing the same thing over and over everytime I got into a new location.

>>717322924
I fell off it really quickly. Game looks good, gameplay is fine I guess. Not really interested in the cast in the slightest. Story in the beginning is pretty weak too. May need to revisit it to see how it picks up later but man that first impression just isn't there.

>>717366704
forgot pic

3D Remake when?

>>717366704
It's a very basic bitch of a game that also overstay it's welcome. Builds are fine. Itemization sevicable, but combat is abysmal.

>>717337276
Same. The hit detection was horrible. Cute environments though, like the crystal snow forest, but the gameplay couldn't make up for it.

VGH, this game oozes with SOVL

>>717355497
>Saturday Anime
Loved watching this every week. So many great OVAs and movies. Not like the trash anime that gets put out today. Saturday Anime is probably the single reason why I'm so nostalgic for 80s and 90s anime, because they showed the really high quality stuff, mostly.

>>717362034
Considering the game leans heavily into 50s movie references, I'm sure BttF was a main source of inspiration.

>>717365241
It’s the 30th Anniversary after all, same for Chrono Trigger I’ll take this time out to share the Bonus Tracks for it, my number 1 favorite is Scattering Blossoms

https://youtu.be/DVS1DhpGoE8
https://youtu.be/I-I80Ms8nmM
https://youtu.be/E1zM-OMakes
https://youtu.be/69j5nk3qEO8
https://youtu.be/H10bdZsclJ0

>>717308746 (OP)
I like Evermore more than SD3.

>>717369472
me too, it's the best of the bunch

>>717325647
She took a cock bigger than that can, didn't she?

>>717325417
You mean the same charged attacks that are in SOM which everyone and their mother fucks off?
Retarded bot.

>>717366784
Should it have been an HD2D game even if people are getting somewhat sick of those? The Secret of Mana iOS port has great looking sprite work and seems to be the best version as some bugs like hit detection and hit cooldowns have been fixed. Plus the World Map while riding Flammie is much better too. Almost makes me wish the Mana Collection had a graphical filter option rather than just the SNES original.

>>717325014
Same.

>>717369448
The shading on those trees is amazing. I always continued to be impressed by quality sprite work.

>>717367163
Be careful what you wish for…

You don’t want another Advance Wars Reboot Camp

How come nobody talks about the Mana series anymore? I used to see Trials of Mana remake threads on a daily basis. Also, is No Future mode in Trials of Mana good? I'm going to attempt a run.

>>717369926
Imagine thinking the remake doesn't look better.

>>717370051
imagine thinking it does, holy fuck

>>717333075
Terranigma was an incredible game and deserved it. It would have been way more recognized if it had a NA release

>>717342980
I liked the wolf-dog most because it resembled my dog, Bear

>>717369472
Both are good, but evermore is great.

>>717333075
And all of those mog

>>717319637

That was a pretty good fuckin year.

moogle spotted

My reaction to this Secret of Evermore thread reaching 400+ replies in the big 2025

>>717371549
That's not just any Moogle, that's Mog from FFVI along with Locke, Relm, Strago, Terra and what looks like Umaro on the right.

this basket will disappear if you come back after the market closes
you can get 500 secret jewels by inspecting the pot behind it

>>717373516
So that means FF6 and SoE are part of the same universe

I still remember the Antiquan sentry who tells the main character to "get a clue" and "buy a vowel."

>>717373434
OP here - I posted this before going to bed last night and I'm stunned.

>>717373602
The market suddenly just vanishing spooked me as a kid the first time. It was a neat little gimick.

>>717373758
Cecil was the only cameo they got official permission for.
they said they just stuck the others in and no one said anything.

>>717333075
Yeah I'm glad I got to play a good game like Terranigma over Final Slop #Number and Chrono Ball Z.

>>717375147
They took a big risk with that. Could've led to huge lawsuits.

>>717376724
Ah yes, the famous story about a coming suing itself.

>>717376724
No, that's ridiculous

>>717376724
Why would SquareSoft sue it's own subsidiary?

>>717377032
Why need permission at all in the first place? Obviously they didn't want anyone but Cecil to be used for whatever reason, and by doing so, whoever made the game broke the agreement and is at risk.

If someone uses Secret of Mana as an argument to the SNES having "the best library of any console of all time" i know i am talking with an idiot. The combat is absolutely awful and on par (if not worse) than tons of shovelware released on Steam everyday. Great OST and visual tho.

Terranigma is easily the best ARPG on the SNES.

>>717377358
SoM also sucks because the text boxes are nigh impossible to read with the shitty backgrounds they forced in them.

>>717377358
The OST, box art, and visuals are a big part of SoM's success - the combat was frustrating. I do appreciate them taking a stab at action there, though.

>>717377089
>Why need permission at all in the first place?
Because asking your co-workers to use the stuff they made is good form, fuckin' autist.

>>717374117
If you’re curious it’s a romhack which expands upon the base story for Secret of Mana, there’s even an added section where you have to walk your way to the Southtown rather than just getting shot by canon there

https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/8491/

>>717378213
Is it good?

I've always preferred this game to Secret of Mana and I'm glad there are people in this thread who agree — there are not many of us.
Despite all of SoE's silliness, it somehow felt more serious than SoM, with sci-fi instead of fantasy, smart and quirky dialogue, and no awkward, broken translation.

evermore was designed to appeal to the western market rather than the eastern one. It came out SO late into the SNES lifespan (1995/1996, WELL after n64 release), and honestly, just being totally frank, it really wasn't as good as other late releases (chrono trigger in particular really outshined it). The gameplay was fun but I feel a similar "something's missing" thing from evermore as I do from terranigma. both feel like they just didn't quite get all they wanted to do, done.

>>717365241
Because I was the only 40+ year old ITT responding to clueless and rabid 20 somethings regurgitating their favorite influencer's talking point.

>>717369965
The fanbase for the Mana games (and a lot of SNES games to be honest) have IRL responsibilities to worry about and have aged out of video gaming for the most part and zoomers only really think of Final Fantasy when you talk about JRPGs and not the SNES ones.

Also, Square doesn't have the same talent making these games anymore. Ever since the Sakaguchi left (so the era between the development of FFX and FFX-2) to now, Square has just lost a lot of talent and you can kind of see it in FFXII but definitely in FFXII and FFXV. You also see it in how bad the Mana games post Sakaguchi are.


>>717380881
Personally, a part of me wishes we got to see what would've happened if it came out on the Playstation rather than the SNES. It would've benefited greatly from the better computational, graphical and audio capabilities of the PSX compared to that of the SNES and if it had more time to cook, would've been a great debut game for the console (or at least an early JRPG for the console). It has a great deal of potential but I bet Japennese business politics hampered it greatly from what it could've been, on the PSX or SNES.

>>717337276
You can tell when they started to run out of time/money.

>>717380881
>Terranigma
I got a few hours in and it crashed on my emulator, haven't picked it back up.

>>717381145
You are far from the only forty-year-old here. :-)

>>717377609
Employees don't own any of the assets they made. It's all automatically owned by the company. Shouldn't need to ask for anyone's "permission" in that case.

>>717381385
don't bother it will be wasted on you

>>717381824
If you were one of the people ITT trying to gaslight me into believing that RPGs were selling by the millions in the US during the early and mid 90s, I don't believe you. A tiny article in some random gaming magazine didn't influence shit back then. I remember trying to convince my friends to play Dragon Warrior 4 but they'd get enraged because of the battles every two steps.

>>717381837
You're autistic as fuck. This isn't about property it's about being polite to your colleagues, retard.

>>717382226
I loved RPGs growing up and I still ran from all the battles until bosses were hard as shit to beat.

>>717382167
Why is that?

>>717308746 (OP)
Is it better than Secret of Mana if I didn't really like Secret of Mana

>>717382317
You aren't smart enough

>>717328095
I had some dreams about this stupid ass snake and this stupid ass swamp because I was stuck there when I was a kid. who the fuck keeps dreaming about swamps? me, because of that stupid ass fucking snake.

I also thought I could go to the steam lakes part of the jungle, that secret area where you learn some spell and talk to some greek old fag right after the bug boss but no, fucking skybox tier exploration bit that I could never get to. games were always so limited and my mind blew them up. I hate it
But you know what I hate more? This fucking snake
fuck you salabog
fuck you
I'm literally wasting brain space to hate you for my entire life.

>>717308746 (OP)
Better music than SoM.
Better graphics than SoM.
Better dungeon design than SoM.
Better bosses than SoM.
Better weapons than SoM.

The negative was that the game was way too short and some spells are ridiculously broken. Once you have the barrier spell, you're practically invincible.

>>717382652
no

>>717382226
No, I wasn't one of those people, but...
>I remember trying to convince my friends to play Dragon Warrior 4 but they'd get enraged because of the battles every two steps.
This means nothing. IIRC DQ4 didn't sell well in the U.S. (some RPGs did), but it sounds to me like you're just recalling personal anecdotes and using them to make proclamations about what life was like back then. But other people may have had different experiences than you.

Oh, and by the way, Dragon Warrior IV is by far the weakest of the original four games.

>>717383112
Damn, that's a hot take you don't see often

>>717382982
I'm tired of responding to you bots ITT. Even AI disagrees with all of you retards.

>>717382695
And you obtained that information...how?

>>717383112
Why does Middenhall look like a girl

>>717383493
For guilt-free fapping

>>717383239
You shouldn't worry about it, my explanation would be lost on you.

>>717383112
>that smug princess
I want to fuck her so badly

>>717383693
>n....no I won't say it you just have to know!
I accept your concession.

>>717384101
Yes that's fine, have fun.

>>717384398
ok

>>717308746 (OP)
This one is my favorite. I think the game it's based on actually sucks dick.

I am probably the only person who beat this entire game with the Horn Spear until you get to bazookas. I have never liked grind.

>>717310506
No one does unless you were a fan of SoM first and old enough to understand what happened and to care to be pissed.

Most of us were kids and had no idea. It took like 10+ years and the invention of the internet for me to figure out what happened to Earthbound 64 after I first saw it in Nintendo Power.

>>717385210
I do this pretty much every time because grinding is infuriating. I think there’s a patch out there that once you level a weapon *class* up, it’s always leveled.

>>717367163
The owner of the rights for the story is working on one. I dunno how they are doing. But I made a test for them to make the sprites, but they decided to finish some other stuff before doing the art.

>>717385589
How the hell did Square manage to not retain the rights to the story?

>>717385660
I don't know it had a degree of bullshit going on.
But I promise you, this remake is a never ever.
They didn't seem organized enough to tackle a project of this size.
Hopefully I'm wrong.

>>717385819
Damn, what a shame.

>>717355583
Oh shit, that happened to me too but on a different boss. The one with the puppets. To this day I still wonder if it could have been fixed if I had just messed with the cart's battery to delete all saves.

>>717387261
>>717355583
I think something like that happened to me in Secret of Mana. I landed on some island in the snow land and saved and it bricked my save file.

>>717387261
Yeah, that works, but messing with SNES batteries can be a bitch since they've got three tiny spot-welds fixing them to the contact arm. I'm still curious about what exactly triggered the save glitch, since I never saw any of the doomsday bugs in the four playthroughs I did.

>>717308746 (OP)
Is this a reference? or is this imagery more common than I thought

>>717387650
That also happened to me, the neko save point in the ice area. My dad actually called up nintendo or squaresoft's customer service and they told me "hold down L R Start and Select when you load your save" it was just a built in soft reset but it worked for me after like 5 tries. Never saved there again in any new playthroughs.

All I remember about SoE is that Jeremy Soule did the soundtrack, so it's surprisingly moody and ambient for the SNES.

>>717387968
You can actually use that glitch to get a 9th sword orb.

>>717383112
Wasn’t expecting coffin of Erdrick and Roto in this thread of all threads lmao

>>717385589
Holy Erotica Babe

>>717388453
Erdrick and Roto are the same person.
But I get what you mean.

>>717345406
i just downloaded the rom to prove it, you can 100% control the dog w the 2nd player controller

>>717387884
I think it's the latter. Looking up the artist for SoE it's a guy who got his master's back in 1982 and he did a lot of video game art througout the 90s, so he could have easily influenced (but not directly inspired) a lot of japanese artists behind ONE now.

Awesome thread all around!

Really love the Atlas Flex Animation!

It was lowkey the Gigachad Meme before it was cool!

Tfw you lose to the Raptors

>>717388903
Good dog.

>>717388624
I’m telling you this is a Mandela shift

>>717388624
Then you downloaded a pre-patched romhack. If the game supported two players natively, then this hack wouldn't exist:
https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/24/

>Secret of Evermore thread hits 500 replies
Today /v/ was not a faggot

>>717385589
do they have a site or anything?

A rare good thread on /v/ and I only discover it after it's already hit the bump limit

>>717387884
anon.
yes, "big monster with big, sharp claws" is pretty common.

>>717314078
Careful anon you might get burned

>>717389250
>https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/24/
"

And this patch is the result. Now you can finally have a proper 2 player game of Secret of Evermore! You can hit start on the first or second controller to enter/withdraw from the game, and either player can control either character, just like in SoM. There’s even a controller indicator number that will appear beside the character you’re in control of. "

this is to give more control, you can 100% play the dog and move and attack with the game, my sister has the cartridge and i just made her put it in and try

>>717387968
neko save point in ice area is a known glitchspot for SoM

>>717390009
>you can 100% play the dog and move and attack with the game
Yes. The game allows you to swap between the human and the dog at any time by pressing select on Controller 1.
It does not allow the human and the dog to be controlled at the same time with two controllers. That is what this hack does.

>>717390239
proven wrong w a physical cartridge ten mins ago

>>717390354
Bro, you can't fool me. I know you're lying through your teeth on the internet.

>>717390354
Why are you lying? Secret of Evermore did not have 2 players, period.

>>717390354
k

Evermore was fucking great. Doggo was great sidekick.