Define what makes a game ”fun” without sounding like a toddler

>>717313631 (OP)
It keeps you engaged with it by releasing consistent and regular hits of dopamine that make it satisfying to play

>frog
Dogshit thread

>>717313631 (OP)
i like it when it has colors and goes bing bing wahooo!

>>717313631 (OP)
Why do I need to define it? I don't have to define the color blue to know when something is blue. Fun is the same, you know it when you experience it.

You know it when you see it.

Goo goo gaa gaa

>>717313631 (OP)
goo goo gaa gaa nigger

A game is fun when it gives me a dopamine rush

>>717313631 (OP)
uuuuuuummmmmm…
goo goo gaaa gaaa

>>717313749
>>717314663
>>717314747
>>717315025
The problem with these answers is you then can't tell the difference between games that are actually fun vs games that are tricking you into thinking you're having fun

>>717313631 (OP)
If I'm thinking about it while I'm at work, then it's fun. That along with boobies and food.

>>717313631 (OP)
If the game lets me be racists and hate women, it’s fun

>>717315146
>implying there's a difference

>>717315304
Hop in.
They're having "fun" right?

>>717313631 (OP)
F is for friends who do stuff together

>>717315146

>>717315146
Give me an example of a game that tricks you into thinking you're having fun.
Something like league of legends? Where people spend thousands of hours on it, only to say they were never having fun for the vast majority of it.
So it might be better to describe it as a game that gives you an adrenaline rush that feels thrilling in the moment, but could hardly be described as fun.

>>717315401
Are those pigs not having fun? Trashy or not they are enjoying wallowing in that filth.

It sounds to me like you're ashamed to admit to yourself you enjoy slop.

>>717315465
Fentanyl.

Fun things are fun

>>717315146
Explain what you mean by "games that trick you into having fun"

>>717315401
>>717315543
Fun fact: pigs "wallow" in mud (and shit) because they biologically lack sweat glands or the ability to pant like other mammals. They do this to regulate temperature so they don't overheat and die.
So next time you see a filthy asshole of a human being, even if it's in the mirror, be sure to ask them: "What's your excuse?"

>>717315465
>>717315543
>>717315608
Have fun when peter thiel hooks you up to his "humane alternative to genocode" machine

>>717315401
Hey retard, why dont you respond to these two and actually explain what you're sperging about?
>>717315465
>>717315608

>>717314841
>>717315114
SHUT UP SARAH

>>717315756
Well if I ever see someone wallowing in a mud puddle I'll be sure to keep that in mind.

>>717315858
People wallow in filth all the time, literally and metaphorically. Doesn't gave to be mud. Niggas are just disgusting in general and should be publically shamed.

>actual fun
Systems that provide responsive gameplay that tests your skills, providing a challenge that engages the player without undue degrees of luck
>artifical fun
Making up for a lack of the above through various elements designed to illicit dopamine releases (cha-chings and compliments)

Games absolutely can have both (in fact most do), but an actually fun game should still be fun if you stripped the presentation from it and left it in its most core state

>>717315146
Rousseau defined true happiness as that which leaves behind no emptiness that needs to be fulfilled. I think this can be applied here as well.

>>717315809
That guy's a politician, not a scientist. Tech-illiterate people don't pose a threat.

>>717315910
So, should I be shaming you then?

>>717315809
>no argument

>>717313631 (OP)
>>717314959
MODS = FAGGOTS

>>717316062
>too illiterate to identify implicit arguments

>>717316215
Insults are not an argument.

>>717313631 (OP)
The game engages the player to solve it's problems in order to reach the end of the program. This can often involve story, but gameplay is most often the primary motive to keep engaging with a game. When a game is not fun, the player becomes frustrated or bored, and does not feel a desire to continue playing the game. When a game is fun, it has succeeded in forming a psychological connection with the player. The player subconsciously considers the unfinished game to be unfinished business, and continues in the habit. This habit forms through activation of the brain through a combination of art and mechanics that create various forms of triggering gratification.

Games larger in scale most often have a slower buildup to satisfcation, and the draw is the unfinished business principle. There is so much more to do, and doing is satisfying, therefore more must be done. This is the quintessential essence of fun. Smaller games often have simpler gameplay, in which the trigger of dopamine release is quicker, but can become tired faster due to a lack of depth to generate interest from. This is also why many games now are open world for the sake of it: they generate a pretense of being interesting while not actually being so. The best games can do both: interest the player enough to keep them coming back, and engage them enough to keep them enjoying the game in the moment. Story is largely ancillary, but all people love stories, and it makes a nice side dish along with the actual game. A game can work without a story, you can't sell a game that has a story but no game.

Elaborate enough for you, OP?

>>717315990
>Tech-illiterate people don't pose a threat.
That is a wildly optimistic opinion that I hope is true but I know is not.

Fun: hack n slash
Fake fun: soulslike

Unstoppable force vs immoveable object
Having a great ability to influence the game world while having that power challenged by a resisting entity, while still having the ability to influence that entity and having that power challenged as well

Or sometimes the fun is discovering the limits to your ability to influence

>>717315401
they're having fun doing pig activities because they're pigs and not superior beings (gamers)

>>717313631 (OP)
> Menu Games: Lots of choices and possible ways to min-max strategies and make broken builds that are fun down the line because of the implications.
> Point & Click Games: Well crafted setting and interactive narrative that pulls you in to the story.
> Action Games: Gameplay first, no bullshit mechanics holding your hand or restricting player expression.
There you go.

>>717316440
They have been putting together bulletin boards trying to research shitposts. This is like competing against cavemen.

>>717315114
based gamer

>>717313631 (OP)
it maek my emotional pp the big emotional pp

>>717313631 (OP)
PEW PEW PEW PEW
TAKATAKATAKATAKATAKATAKATAKA
PEW PEW PEW
PICHYUUN!
FUCK

>>717318791
4chan memed Okay symbol to mean White Power, they are hacks lol. Rare Zoomer W.

>>717315146
>those spices and sauces are only tricking your brain into thinking that food tastes good

>>717319010
True technically speaking. (Endorphins.)

>>717313631 (OP)
High immersion so I forget real life.

>>717319010
retarded dognigger

>>717315146
I can. But discernment doesn't come baked into a definition. The blind don't see. Etc.

pubes and politics

>>717313631 (OP)
"Fun" is generally a gestalt. It's different for each person, and some things might turn out to be fun even though they wouldn't seem so from a distance (Detroit: Become Human is a good example for me. I hate QTEs and long cutscenes, and it's nothing but both, yet I give it 10/10).
In the end, fun is your own definition. Does it feel like a chore to play? Are you irritated or disgusted by it? If not, you're probably having fun.

>>717315465
>>717315608
gacha games are a big one.
>oooh my god i got the ultra rare 5 star!!! holy shit i love this game!

it makes me go YIPPE while clapping my hands jumping up and down

>>717313631 (OP)
unpredictable

>>717318969
Some high ranking CIA official had his database hacked by someone under the age of 18 recently because he didn't know how to encrypt his password. Like I said, competing against fossils.

how is op not shot on sight by jannies

>>717313631 (OP)
Medium challenge and complexity (the definition of "Medium" varies from person to person, as everyone has different capabilities)
More specifically, a game that's too easy/simple to play is boring, a game that's too hard/too complex will frustrate you and depress you, a game that's hard/complex enough to be challenging and stimulate your mind but not to the point of overwhelming you, that is a fun game.

Besides this, aesthetics are also extremely important and enhance the feel and pleasure of game. Story, not so much, though if it is good enough it might motivate you to play through an otherwise boring game.

>frogposting
JUST

>>717319719
jannies are just like OP and make all the same dumb posts.

>>717313631 (OP)

>>717313631 (OP)
kill non american

>>717313631 (OP)
number go up
>but muh skill based game without level ups
you're doing more damage and getting better times, it's still number go up

>>717320939
But it's a more powerful form of number go up

>>717313631 (OP)
No.

>>717315146
you thought you were having fun but you weren't
it was fake fun

>>717313631 (OP)
It doesn't feel like a shore, faggot.

Fuck intelligence. You cant explain everything with words. You feel it with your heart and then try to find words that fit. Words will never be enough. So I'm not explaining it to you. Itd be like trying to tell an enoch what an orgasm is.

>>717313631 (OP)
Describe the smell of a rose without sounding like a retard

>>717313631 (OP)
I like simple systems that give rise to complex interactions.

>>717313631 (OP)
To me, fun in a videogame is when I figure things out by myself. Unlocking a secret ending, stumbling upon a secret area, figuring out a strong build. Just like a crow would feel after solving a riddle made by its caretakers. Lately I'm exploring Noita and I made a wand that launches a homing blood mist that deals more than 1k damage per second, and when it kills the first target, it jumps to the next. Getting the same wand build from a guide would ruin the fun for me, figuring it out myself is what made it fun.

MODS = FAGGOTS

>>717313631 (OP)
Gameplay which physically engages your hands is a fulfilling way while stimulating the senses with visuals and sound.
retard

>>717313631 (OP)
>fun BAD
>tedious and janky GOOD

>>717313631 (OP)
Fun things are fun.

>>717313631 (OP)
If I lose track of time, it's fun.

>>717319010
objectively true and its used to hide poor quality meat
brown people never have and seemingly never will understand this

>>717313631 (OP)
You first. Or do you just want to dismiss what everyone else says and feel superior?

Fun things are fun

>>717319663
They've always had shit encryption and protection for cyber-sec departments, do you know why? Because its a federal case if you decide to hack them. Meaning they can get their task force to go guns blasting your door open and arrest you from anywhere US has the right to extradite you to prison and you'll be serving 5+ years and lots of damages.

>>717315465
Any game with time-wasting mechanics with random rewards. Especially ARPGs that are designed for gambling addicts who get a dopamine rush when something rare drops after hours of grind.
You know those games aren't fun because you're only grinding them for the rewards, and you stop doing it after getting the reward. A fun game is a game you'd play without needing an incentive to play.

>>717327527
Wrong.
> Gameplayloop + Reward Mechanism being part of the loop.
That's a Game, games have random chance to make it more unique each time, otherwise you might as well watch a movie on repeat.

Winning is fun and rewarding. When it comes down to it, winning is everything. And some wins are better than others, but that differs from person to person. Some people like winning with no push, others like being challenged and winning anyway. And others want to be the best. Of course there are situations where losing something could be a win (breaking up with a WHORE) but that’s still a win.

>>717315146
Sex, the notoriously fun activity is just brain chemicals being released. That sounds like trickery too

>>717313631 (OP)
Fun is fun.
You understand what that means, yes?

>>717326279
So do you eat you chicken boiled with no seasoning?

>>717315146
Literally who the fuck cares?

>>717327740
ARPGs gameplay loop stops being fun after clearing the same few dungeons a couple times. And you have to clear them hundreds of times for the rare rewards.
Only gamba dopamine addicts make excuses for playing those games for dozens of hours.

>>717313631 (OP)
Retarded faggot frogposter

>>717315465
Overwatch. Constantly pops up points on screen to make you think you're doing something. If you do 1 HP worth of damage you get credit for an "elimination" even if you didn't get the kill. If you only pay attention to the points you can easily lose the match even while thinking you were doing well. It is a skill-based game but the game tries hard to cover that up and trick unskilled players into thinking they're having fun too. That's why they had to make those dumb changes like filtering "gg ez" because players were ruining the facade by telling each other "actually you suck at this game".

>>717313631 (OP)

If you're the type who, say, you had so much fun in LoL or DOTA 2, then regret it later, even convincing yourself it's actually a bad game, you're no different from the wahmen who had tons of sex and later regret it or even convince themselves they've been raped because they can't stand accountability.

>>717315146
>fun
anon gets why people enjoy those games
>tricking you into thinking you're having fun
anon doesn't get why people enjoy those games

>>717315465
rimworld without combat readiness and worthless floors mods

>>717327318
I'll just use my heat vision if they try anything then.

>>717313631 (OP)
gore