Thread 717323256

It's too fucking hard

Try harder.

>>717323256 (OP)
After Kirby, those are the easiest SNES games that exist

>>717323256 (OP)
Get good. It’s also easier than 1.

>>717323256 (OP)
but it isn't hard at all. it is very satisfying, but it isn't hard.

>>717323256 (OP)
same

how do you beat this game without using save states

>>717324120
Well, first you have to figure out how to transform yourself back from a gigantic pussy into a man. Then you just keep trying until you win, which should come naturally at that point.

just replay the level until you memorize it bro
it's called good game design sweatie

The hardest level for me is the one where you are stuck on that honey and cant move. Also the bird levels are hard. I was surprised to see none of the levels I hated as being in the top 10 hardest.

>>717323691
>Super Mario world Exist
>erm actually SMW is harder even though the game is piss easy until the bonus world
>Meanwhile DKC1 and 2 ramp up the difficulty by worlds 3 and 4 respectively

Why does /v/ pretend this game is easy when it's in the top hardest SNES games? None of you guys actually beat it before.

>>717324120
Play it on console. I always resort to save states on emulator but if I play on console I can beat the game just fine. If you can't play on any console then unbind save state/load state.

>>717324598
This. Playing on NSO is cancer because there is no reason to not rewind 2 seconds and retry.

I 105% or whatever the complete percentage was back then. Was 10 or something.
If I can do it, so can you.

>>717324559
It's not easy but I beat it as a kid. Not the secret world though.
Anons are fags.

>>717323256 (OP)
It isn't that hard, it's just that the levels are veeeery long so you get punished badly if you lose. You really need to take your time and play patiently to make progress.

>>717324528
The sky levels alone are harder than anything in DKC

actually when it came out, we called it DKCX

>>717323256 (OP)
I'm pretty shit at platformers, but I had no trouble getting 102% in DKC2 on hardmode (no barrels), or 105% in DKC3 ("TUFST" mode). Last time I had played the games was 25 years ago.
Animal Antics, especially without barrels, is a bit of an assfuck but that's about it

>>717324598
Alternatively with RetroArch you can enable Hardcore Mode which disables save states and slowdown entirely. Forces you to play games as intended.
I know it sounds retarded, but the Retro Achievements for DKC2 are incredible too. They added so much replay value and extra challenge + flair to an already amazing game.

>>717323256 (OP)
Diddy and Dixie make me too fucking hard and it distracts me while playing the game.

I want to fuck Dixie.

https://static1.e621.net/data/84/f4/84f4160ea8e36651525b2b0f6012cc1f.webm

I don't think I died once the last time I played DKC2 till around the very last level in the regular playthrough. I died a few times in the secret world but I don't think I ever died more than 5 times on any paricular level or boss

>>717325342
So if you missed a bonus barrel or DK coin, you still completed the stage or what?

>>717325414
it's been a while since I played so I don't remember sorry. I just remember not dying all that much because I thought I'd have lost a lot more lives considering I'm pretty sure I died way more as a kid

Embarrassing. Animal Antics is the only difficult level in the game and it's optional.

>>717325482
Fair enough. Most players I know mainly died by killing themselves via jumping offstage if they wound up missing the collectibles and not being able to naturally backtrack to them.

these games are 1000% easier once you read the manual and realize you can roll off the cliffs and fucking jump in midair for some reason

>there are people who think tropical freeze and returns are harder than DKC2
How is this possible?

>>717324120
These days you dont. Everyone emulates it and uses save states. I do it too. These niggers are lying. DK games are notorious for being bullshit hard, so you need to replay levels over and over again in order to past a simple bullshit point or two that they have. Curious though, the gameboy ports are beatable without save states.
>T. had DK2 on my SNES and finished it once fair and square, but then sold it off and now I emulate DK games while using savestates

>>717325861
The games actually hint that with some bananas off ledges specifically making a trail like that.
Most obvious one I remember is the very start of that first mining stage in DKC2.

>>717324910
Too bad blue yoshi exists

>>717326930
you can just throw your partner at those and it also works so I just beat the entire fucking game without ever realizing you can roll off cliffs

>No playable DK
>I don't play it
Simple as

>>717323256 (OP)
It is not.
I fully completed this gamewhen I was 6 years old so it cannot be too difficult.

>>717327157
beating it isnt that hard but getting all the secrets is pretty difficult
nothing too crazy though and nothing that requires a guide like in the first game
id say its pretty much the perfect difficulty level for a game and nicely balanced between the any% and 100%

>>717323256 (OP)
Looking at the longplay:
https://youtu.be/RVzjFr6gprg?si=m0Y1GS98CDGT1o_v&t=10496
I think it only gets difficult about 80% of the way in (the credits bloat the runtime of the video btw). The first 80% is very doable with no savestates.

>>717327026
DK is the worst kong in the early games. All he has is the ground slap. Diddy is fast and is the best at doing the midair jump after rolling. Dixie floats. Even Kiddy has that water bounce shit and throwing his fat ass breaks stuff.

>>717326878
>everyone uses savestates
lol, lmao even, get good faggot you didn't beat the game.
You might as well watch a playthrough on youtube.

I died 8 times on that Stop 'n Go station level in DKC1. Didn't game over but it annoyed me.

>>717323256 (OP)
Diddy looks like the apple of DKs eye in this pic. Dixie is desperately hanging on for a crumb of attention.

>>717326991
You didn't beat the game

>>717327568
Read my post again, homo.
First time finishing DK 2 fair and square on SNES was frustrating, but I found a new level of appreciation for DK 2 when I decided to play it again on an emulator with savestates.
No more restarting a level after you fuck up a bonus stage, no more frustration on bullshit levels like the acid tower, the parrot race etc.
Now I can play DK games and have fun with their platformer gameplay, and also sit back and appreciate their top atmosphere in real time.
>didn't beat the game
Your father didnt beat you enough

>>717323256 (OP)
>Beat it as a kid
>can't beat Animal Antics in my thirties
it hurts

>>717327568
post your snes save file faggot

>>717327703
Diddy is DK's friend.
Dixie is Diddy's Girlfriend.
As a good friend DK ignores his friend's girlfriend because DK is a cool guy.

>>717323256 (OP)
you haven't played a single hard 2d platformer in your life

>>717327971
Not him but DKC1/2 were among the few console games I legitimately 100%'d without emulation. They just aren't that hard. For DKC1, the hardest part is the stretch of three ice jumping levels in a row before you reach a save point, but it's only the third one that is a little trial and error, if you load up on lives ahead of time it's no biggie. For DKC2 I'll admit to using the "stay in the start room" exploit that all the other kids used for the bee fight, other than that, the only hard level was the slime tower, and that's only because I didn't know you could charge up the snake jump. They're easy games for 6 year olds.

>>717328249
the hardest part in dkc1 is knowing where the secrets are
if you dont know where they are you need to trial and error every single bottomless pit and barrel wall

>>717324559
>the top hardest SNES games

>>717323256 (OP)
I beat this when I was like seven years old get good

>>717328393
Seems like at least a quarter of them were at the very start and just involved a shoulder-jump or animal boost or similar

I bet you niggas never heard of super ghouls and ghosts. Now thats some fucked up difficulty right there

>>717328801
Super ghouls and ghosts is the textbook definition of artificial difficulty. Not even the quarter munching arcade original was as bullshit as the snes version.

>>717328249
>"stay in the start room" exploit that all the other kids used for the bee fight
I didn't know other kids did that.
It wasn't even me being super strategic, King Zing just scared me as a kid.

>>717326878
sad

>>717328590
They are very hard compared to nu-Nintendo games.

Skill issue, now I'm not saying there's not any bullshit hard SNES games out there but DKC isn't one of them

>>717328801
Nope, but here was my childhood hell.

>>717328894
True, I dont know what they were thinking. I bet the devs hated their audience and wanted the people who will buy it to suffer. Playing this on an emulator is the right way to play it, because its a middle finger to these dev faggots who have shipped it without properly game testing it

>>717324120
You keep trying. Unless you're a legit retard you'll improve from just playing.
Just be aware that improving won't happen instantly. Taking a break for some weeks or maybe months can often help too. Always remember your brain learns passively (even better than actively) for a while even if you stop doing something.

World 2 was the hardest in DKC1 and then it got way easier after that.

>>717324559
It's not that difficult, I beat it as a kid. Those bonus levels were bull shit though.

>>717323691
Megaman X games are easier, as well as Congo's Caper, Dracula X, Goemon and many others.
>>717324528
>>717324910
>>717326991
>>717327848
100%ing SMW without cape abuse or blue yoshi is way easier than the last 2 worlds in DKC2. Heck it's easier than MMX3.

Can't you just grind out infinite lives in these games by re-entering past levels?

Sonic 1-3 is easier than DKC

>>717329365
>Megaman X
Wall jumping makes it 10x harder than any Kirby game

>>717329402
I meant harder than DKC. Kirby Dreamland 3 is way harder to 100% than MMX though, since most levels were built to be beaten without the boots.

>>717329458
*easier than DKC

>>717329458
>>717329492
I've beaten every DKC and KDL3 level more or less effortlessly and have never even beaten the second level of MMX

>>717324120
>>717323256 (OP)
Better question is how do you people exist. I played this as a kid and beat it. How bad are you at video games.

>>717329365
I disagree. I can beat DKC2 102% but I can't beat SMW without the cape. With the cape is definitely easier than DKC though.

>>717323256 (OP)
then do not try Super Ghouls & Ghosts

>>717329519
Shit bro, IDK what to say, I can beat MMX without using boss weaknesses or hadouken but can't reliably beat DKC2 without sperging out (those fucking brambles).
>>717329536
Mario's inertia can be iffy, but once you get into the flowstate it's one of the most responsive, flowy games with great collision detection IMO. DKC, in comparison, feels like playing DS2 in comparison to Sekiro. I can never get used to the timing and collision of those monkeys.

>>717329259
What the actual fuck are you talking about

>>717324559
I have beaten it. I'd say right before the Bee Queen, DK2's difficulty is tough but fair with only a few unfair moments inbetween. After you beat Bee Queen, the game gets increasingly bullshit. K rool boss fight is bullshit long and unfair and I still hate it. Having to restart a level to find a bonus stage to get only ONE(1) chance of beating it to get the coin, is just a very retarded dev decision even for SNES standards.
I have beaten it when I was like 13, but it took me 8 months worth of trial and error. I had the time back then. Also, I didn't have that many games to play, so it was DK2 all the way. In our current climate, a bullshit hard game like DK2 has no chance of becoming a mainstream success, because people have less time to spend on a game for many reasons

>>717324120
the real bullshit is the DK coins and Bonus Barrels for Kremcoins
some are obvious
some have clever little hints
some are completely fucking retarded

>>717329378
Yeah, it's just there isn't a particularly quick way to go about it IIRC, at least in the first game.

>>717329861
>bee queen
that one's a dude
King Zing Sting
the one in DKC1 is a girl (Queen B)

>>717329861
Finally, those who say itt that the game isn't difficul, they are either lying(thats probably the case) or remember it with huge rose-tinted glasses. DK2 starts fair, but it quickly becomes frustrating and bullshit

>>717329861
>less time to spend on a game
yeah, gotta spend all those post-work/school hours doomscrolling/watching literally whos stream/cycling YT shorts instead
lol

>>717329963
Lmao dis lil nigga getting filtered by pixelated monke for children. What a clown

>>717329682
I agree Mario generally has tighter physics and controls but for me DKC2 is easier than capeless/Yoshiless. I guess I have a feel for the roll jump timing or something idk. Also like that other anon I've never beaten MMX but I replay the DKC trilogy every couple of years and I can always beat them reliably. Kaptain K Rool is probably the hardest thing for me in any DKC game, those canonball patterns come hard and fast.

>>717329890
https://youtu.be/vAYi0EOE5xA

>>717329913
Sorry, my bad. All I remember from that boss fight, was how fast Zing was going in after the 2nd hit and how frighteningly hard it was to avoid that bee with that fat parrot. That fucking bee boss and K rool almost gave me a heart attack lmao and I was a kid.

>>717330056
Clearly you emulated the game and have no right to talk about its actual difficulty

>>717323256 (OP)
Scrub

>>717330107
>canonball patterns come hard and fast.
If you can deal with those I don't think MMX has anything too fast for you, bosses are just 2-3 layered phases that alternate, levels are very forgiving if you take them slowly, and getting all upgrades really changes how you play. For SMW I didn't say capeless in my original post, is there even a way to 100% the game without flying? But I actually learned how to play without the cape by sucking enough to lose it.

>>717330023
I mean, things are different nowadays. True, social media are more addictive, but the big difference is that you have an infinite amount of choice when it comes to videogames. Statistically speaking, when people play an impossible game, they will eventually drop it for something else.
When it comes to age, kids would rather spend time on tik tok rather than play hard games, zoomers usually return to their e-slop, and 30+ people will play something else because they have irl stuff to do, and their patience is limited. So I guess emulation is God's gift in the end of the day, because it allows you to (re)visit old games and enjoy them at your own pace and time

>>717330120
No I didn't mean by using glitches. I remember there being levels where you can get lives at the start .

>>717324120
Theres zero reasons for not using save states
>but thats not the way the game was intended to be played!
if you arent playing on original hardware with a tv from back then you've already broken this "rule" game is much harder on a shitty small CRT monitor so who cares

>>717330171
I beat the games on original hardware when I was a child. DKC1 came out when I was 5, I got the SNES bundle for Christmas. Seethe harder, zoomfag. You're trash at vidya and always will be.

>>717331046
Why tf are you doubling down on your lies? Nobody believes you. Dont @ me anymore

>>717328801
>>717328894
>>717329161
professional difficulty is some serious BS, doing the full two loops of it is easily the hardest game thing i've done
i hate those tiny blue imps so much

>>717331027
???
you have never used a crt.

>>717331027
Nice cope, but you still didn't beat the game.

>>717331168
>>717331168
>>717331168
I'll @ you for every SNES DKC game I beat before you were even born, summertroon. Now kneel, retard-kun.

There's absolutely no valid cope for using save states. Vast majority of these old games are all about memorizing patterns. If you can't figure out what to do in a couple of runs you're just low IQ.

>>717323256 (OP)
I beat it as a child.

>>717324559
>top hardest SNES games
ENTER

i found the first DKC to be a little too easy so i liked it being harder but it's only actually hard if you want the 102%

>>717324120
I did it without them a few months ago. It's mainly just trial and error, memorizing stages, timing things correctly, abusing Dixie's ability to fly and giving yourself 200+ lives by farming a level.

Dixie honestly breaks the game, I remember being stuck on that one level where you need to fly slowly down a hive full of bees and if you touch one you're dead only to watch someone else do the level and see them completely disregard Squawks and just do it with Dixie. Made the whole fucking thing a cakewalk.

Obviously there is skill involved in it, you need to play close to perfect for most of the level with few mistakes allowed and have to do that for the rest of the game but it's very doable if you have the patience.

looking for the secrets is simply not fun.

>>717332053
im 24 and i played dkc2 and 3 blind for the first time less than 3 years ago and enjoyed finding all the secrets a lot
gave up on doing it for 1 though and used a guide

I'm starting to understand why there are people who say Returns or Freeze are better than 2, or frankly even feel like DKC games at all. It's because people with this opinion are bad at video games.

>>717332263
The fact that 1 has a secret inside another secret is the wildest shit to me.

I literally never saw a single blue balloon in DKC1, and I only ever saw one green one.

>>717328801
Sigma in X1 and X2 is a huge pain in the butt, i don't have the patience for that crap anymore.

>>717323256 (OP)
nah yer just bad kid. whole game is goated except for the spider nigga levels
all my homies hate that spider nigga

>>717330328
I might try MMX again. I know what you meant about SMW, I was just using capeless as shorthand for "special stages without a cape or blue Yoshi". The P-Balloon special stage was hard for me, but the Koopa Paratroopas are positioned in a way that blue Yoshi can fly through the stage if you maneuver carefully. There are just enough pipes and single blocks to land on to grab a new shell and refresh the swallow timer. As for the whole game, I don't think you can reach Soda Lake without cape or Yoshi, you'd need at least one to get the Cheese Bridge secret exit. Maybe if you can do the speedrunner shell jump but no way I could do that.

>>717333056
But anon Squitter is the best animal buddy in the game.

>>717331416
I dislike the fact they turned her into an oppai loli in the sequels

>>717323256 (OP)
Yes, Dixie makes me too fucking hard. FUCK! I'm such a stud.

>>717324559
>it's in the top hardest SNES games
LMAO

Early SNES games like Contra 3, Gradius 3, Super R Type, Super GnG are a hundred times harder than DKC, without going into stuff like Hagane, Dracula X and the Super Star Wars games.
Even the special cup in fucking Super Mario Kart is infinity harder.

>>717333415
I understand she's 19 in the original, you fucking tranime retard.

>>717324120
You have beat it enough times with save states until it becomes a muscle memory

>>717334423
If you used save states to practice at all you will never beat the game. Even if you play it again without save states, all your practice and "improvement" is cheated.

>>717334652
that's retarded and you know it faggot

>>717324120
Have patience and resolve to work up to the point where you died again. Even if you're pretty consistent up to that point and know you'd only be saving time with a save state. I often stream for my friends so I have incentive to not look like a bitch in front of the guys. Take a break if it's been going on for a while. You'll play better after a couple minutes. Take mental notes on what got you and when it shows up

>>717324120
By playing it enough that you become better at playing the game. If I could beat it when I was like 8 you can beat it now faggot.

>fail at bonus game
>sends me straight to the goal
>I press the rewind button and do the minigame again

I fucking love emulation haha.

>>717332342
Both of those games aren't easy though. Wouldn't say they're super difficult mind you, but they're not Mario-tier. World 7 in TF got me a few times.