Thread 717327440

Timed inputs in an RPG is the most retarded, counter-genre mechanic ever invented that completely ruins a game and you can't convince me otherwise, it only serves to annoy you and distract from the meager offering.

And it still sold more than FF16 AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>717327440 (OP)
Not really, if anything it keeps me invested in the gameplay and prevents just slamming the A button over and over again through the battles.

>>717327538
You literally slam A over and over again to do the timed imputs.

>>717327610
No you press A with good timing to do the timed inputs, retard

>>717327669
did YOU get the super suit by doing 100 super jumps in a row, /v/?

>>717327669
>You don't slam A over and over!
>You slam A over and over with timing!
You sure showed me

>>717327440 (OP)
Why do Mario RPGs mog every other turn-based JRPGs ever made?. I can barely keep my eyes open playing FF6 and FF7, but I can replay a Mario RPG and have a great time.

>>717327440 (OP)
Mario RPG is my first niggas-in-a-row game so I pretended to do time hits in Chrono Trigger, FFVI, and so on. It should be in every JRPG to make it more interactive IMO.

>>717327748
I accept your concession.

>>717327734
I did it when I was 6 but can't do it now at 33. It baffles me how I was so much better at games as a prepubescent child.

I remember quickly getting bored of it desu. It works as an entry level rpg, but it's way too easy to break in half, especially with action commands absolutely breaking any scaling the game has.

>>717327440 (OP)
And yet the ATB era of final fantasy was the most popular it ever was.

>>717328008
>Hey bro, let's make a turn-based game where you aren't allowed to strategize because you'll be obliterated by enemies if you take too long!
Japs aren't all that bright, are they?.

>>717327947
It was my first JRPG and the only one I played until I got FFX as a Christmas present the same year I got a PS2.

It's just one of those things you had to be there for.

>>717327872
try it handheld if you havent already, its much easier

>>717327610
>>717327734
>>717327748
>i hate timed inputs because I'm bad at timed inputs
EVERY
single
TIME

>>717327440 (OP)
Kinda agree.
It's all about balance. I like the way Paper Mario games (64 and TTYD) do it because reaction commands aren't so punishing or hard to pull off that the game suddenly turns into parryslop. They're still turn-based RPGs at heart.

>>717328167
Who ever said that, anon?

>>717328564
this guy said the quiet part out loud -> >>717328238

>>717328564

>>717327610
>>717327748

>>717328238
If anything, I want timed imputs to be more punishing if they're included instead of just being a way to cheese most if not all of the combat.

>>717327440 (OP)
>And you can’t convince me otherwise
Ok

>>717328648
Did you quote the wrong posts? There's nothing about the difficulty of the imputs there.

>>717328810
It's implied by those posters suck at timed inputs.

>>717328976
How is that implied?

I was interested in Expedition 33 but I saw lots of screenshots where people were in fights for 33 minutes and I was like, damn that’s the average dark aeon fight in FFX.

>>717327440 (OP)
>What the fuck is this thing bordering on gameplay doing in my menu simulator?
Turn based fags really love menus huh.

>>717327440 (OP)
>>717327610
>>717327734
nothing you say matters because it was a fun gimmick

>>717327440 (OP)
>negate all damage perfectly
>defeat the last boss at level 7
Anything that lets you play a JRPG at min level if you're skilled enough is automatically kino.

>>717327440 (OP)
The mechanic itself is fine. The real issue is that devs think this brainless mechanics is genre defining and make a ultra casual RPG that is completely trivialized by it.

Maybe RPG-only retards are impressed by it, but as a genre idort who has played multiple reaction heavy genres, it's obvious how it affects the game design in a dentrimental manner. It's lazy.

>>717328810
mostly subconscious cues (whining, etc).
This person said it without saying it -> >>717327734
This person just admitted it -> >>717328238

>>717329173
>It's lazy.
You're bad at it.

>ummm you're bad if you find this mechanic with lacking visual queues, intentional feints and inconsistent windows annoying
Rhythm games at least have the decency of giving you a proper visual cue

>>717329369
>it's bad because the visual cues didn't vibe with me
That's just a longer way of saying you're bad it.

>>717329369
I mostly just find it annoying because pressing a to the timing gets boring fast, especially because it breaks the game in half once you get used to it.

>>717329465
>timed inputs are bad because i'm TOO good at it
that's a new one.

Defensive action commands suck.
Picking a move and it having an action command associated with it that kinda mimics the motion of the move (like charging the hammer in paper mario) is great. Also in P5 blasting homos with your gun feels great.
If I'm in the mood for parrying or dodging attacks, I'll go play real action games like Souls, Nioh or DMC.

>>717327440 (OP)
Depends. I think the way E33 did it was extra retarded and made defensive tactics require no deeper thought. Timed inputs on offense can be okay if done in a cool way

>>717329514
Yes. I want to play an RPG, not a bad rythmn game.

>>717327440 (OP)
I don't like turn-cringe combat, but timed inputs does make them slightly more bearable. I think the Paper Mario series has the best implementation since there are only two characters, that way there are less turns to perform timed inputs and the mechanic doesn't become annoying.

>>717327440 (OP)
Yeah. It worked with the Mario games because they never wanted to be pure RPGs, they wanted to expose kids to RPG mechanics and eventually get them into the actual ones. It's explclitily for the audience who finds turn-based games to be too daunting because they don't know how to strategize with resources and stats.
The problem is when they claim to be actual ones, or even better than the pure turn-based games. Then you fundamentally misunderstood the appeal of the genre entirely, the whole point is that I cannot simply decide to avoid getting hit or do more damage by pressing buttons at the right times, so I have to build my party, manage my resources and use various tactics to defeat the opponents. Or just become stronger by repeatedly fighting encounters, but that's the boring way to play them.

>>717327440 (OP)
You sound like someone who'd say they know about timed hits, but actually doesn't.

>>717329797
correct opinion. we have to go back to Shadow Hearts.

>>717327440 (OP)
Depends on how much they matter and how much grinding there is in the game. If you need to grind for hours and you absolutely need timed inputs for random enemies it's a bad idea. If there's little or no grinding there's no problem. Or if you can grind without the timed actions and go on auto mode

>>717329797
Yes. Sure it feels good to time those parries just right but it quickly becomes a mindless chore.

>>717327734
Yes. In the original SNES version as well as the remake. Replayed it recently and got the 100 jumps before Monstro.

>>717327734
I did in the remake. Never bothered with it in the original, even after like 12 playthroughs. I'll do it next time, for sure.

>>717329173
Begone, ESL.

>>717327872
if you've done it at least once, that's good enough
>>717331129
very good job
>>717331308
if you can do it in the remake, that's a good enough answer