*ruins your game*
*kills your series*
*kills Monolithsoft's reputation*
*singlehandedly makes the game join /v/'s Top 3 hated games of 2025 next to E33 and Donkey Kong Bananz*

>another rage bait Xenoblade thread
And where does that bring you? Back to me.

Eat a dick, OP.

>>717329340 (OP)
What a based game. Can't wait for the sequel. Favorite game of the year, alongside Bananza and E33. Great year to actually play and enjoy video games, instead of being a raging, contrarian faggot on 4ch.

>>717329340 (OP)
I honestly didn't have any problems with it. The game's writing just existed to serve the gameplay in the first place. All it did was push the series' overarching narrative along by introducing a faction who doesn't like people fucking with the Conduit.

What game did you start the series with? Am I the only one who didn't start with the first one? My first game was XCX and that's when I fell in love with Xenoblade. Then I played XC2 and XC3, hundreds of hours, but I didn't want to play the first one because I was waiting for the remake. Then other games came out in the meantime and I decided to wait for the Switch 2. Now I hope they release performance upgrades for all the games, including XC1. But when?

Btw, what can I expect from the XC1?

>>717329680
>Btw, what can I expect from the XC1?
A really classic JRPG storywise aside from a few twists, as they didn't establish the Xenoschizophrenia until 2.
I'll say its worth it for the gameplay alone, to get a feel of how it started.

>>717329340 (OP)
X was always a bad game

>>717329340 (OP)

>>717330743

>>717329680
XC1DE, XC2, Torna and then XC3.
XCX is self contained so you can play that at any point.

After that if you're a big fan of the story then look into Xenogears and Xenosaga, they're both turn based RPGs so the gameplay won't be comparable to Xenoblade.
Gears and Saga aren’t directly related, given that hey aren't owned by monolith Soft, but there are callbacks and narrative patterns that can be appreciated as a fan of the series.

>>717329340 (OP)
It's a worse finale than 12 but other than Al being obnoxious I thought it was fine. I really enjoyed the new final dungeon at least.

>>717330743
Honestly the beginning was kind of a drag with the very repetitive fetch quests and the redundant exploration but as soon as you get your first Skell it just became a new beast entirely. As a huge mech fan i never thought i would have as much fun as i'm currently having. Combat and exploration is quicker and smoother with the Bike mode and the upgrade part is just the ice on the cake, it's clearly a different experience compared to the other Xenoblade games though that's for sure. Looking forward to make my Skell crew fly in the sunset.

>>717330743
kek THE COPE

>>717329340 (OP)
>singlehandedly makes the game join /v/'s Top 3 hated games of 2025
so this means it's good then

>>717329340 (OP)
haven't played XCXDE, only the base game on Wii U but story can't be worse than XC3s story with >>717329474 this retard "character" and all the other garbage Moebius.

>>717332146
Z is based and beat boy tho

>Destroy a decade of fanfictions and headcanons in one single chapter.
Based.

>>717332394
It's pretty much what a lot of people thought it was. Mira was often imagined to be purgatory and it ended up beeing the world closest to heaven where things in Phase Transition Events are dumped

E33 is the most overrated game of this year.

>>717329340 (OP)
It was perfect, I just wish someone brought up Luxaar in front of Void and Void asked who the hell they were talking about.

>>717332461
Yeah, but people thought Cross was robot Jesus when he fact, he really is just an avatar for the player.

>>717333881
They're not mutually exclusive. If we consider Cross is a 4D-spirit inhibiting a J-body it could be considered an incarnation of God.

>>717329340 (OP)
kill yourself

>>717335730
Nah, they are just a really good BLADE member in-canon. You have dialogues option to choose who they were before the story.

>xenoschizo made another thread

enjoy your mental illness

>>717329340 (OP)
Xenoblade was always shit.

>>717339667
subhuman nigger

>>717329680
>played original xenoblade 1 on release on the wii
>loved it
>played xenoblade 2 a decade later on emulator
>loathed it
>played XDE on re-release
>like it a lot
Not planning on playing 3.

>>717340247
>loathed it
What did you dislike about 2? Depending on your answer, I might shill 3 to you.

>>717340247
Absolutely based
>>717340407
NTA but the gameplay was a huge step down (boring chain attacks, uninteresting element system, gacha system), and the characters were markedly less fun and therefore could not make up the difference. The story was boring. Everything in the entire game hinged on what happened in torna. This made it difficult to make guesses on why someone is behaving a certain way beyond "Oh wow something ELSE probably happened in Torna ooooooo," so it was really hard to get invested.

>>717329340 (OP)
>Shields
>In the game where there is no blocking
But why?

>>717342634
If anything,.they can be compared to greatswords. High damage but slow swings.

I haven't beaten X yet and I'm at 280 hours
I'm level 80 in chapter 10
where's the switch 2 patch

>>717342634
Same reason Tora has a shield. It's just to show they are being tanks.

They should make an Elma x Al sex tape and put it in the Switch 2's files but completely inaccessible to reach in game

>>717343746
But IIRC, 2 had block rate?

>>717330743
Storywise? Sure, that wasn't the main point
Gameplay wise? It's a 9/10.

>>717329340 (OP)
Takahashi ran out of ideas.

>>717340407
The other anon basically summed up my complaints with it. I also really disliked all the QTE spam drowning out any strategic depth the combat system would have had.

>>717343875
Cuck

>>717329340 (OP)
As a man who only played the Wii U version (not DE) back when it released, I thoroughly enjoyed the concept of "Mira is Purgatory/Hell; you are all dead."
It fit the narrative perfectly, the hints are both detailed and expounded, and the "cliffhanger" ending was wonderful exposition-to-finish. Especially for a game that focused on exploring.

So I've never witnessed Chapter 13 and don't really have any interest to. I'm content with my experience with this game, already.

>>717344624
I'm not interested in a human fetishist

>>717344624
My only wife is Neilnail

Are the insides of Elma's pussy pink or blue?

>>717329340 (OP)
Yeah, XC3 and XDE killed my interest in the series.

>>717344604
Well, 3 has no QTE, at all.
No elemental system neither, instead you have job system autism.
The chain attack has a little bit more depth since it doesn't really on a elemental system, but its the most ridiculous Chain Attack in endgame.
As for the character, I dunno if you're gonna like them since I don't know what you "define" as fun.
Also, the characters transform into cool giant things.

>>717340984
>>717344604
Story and characters in 3 are an improvement but the combat follows the same structure as 2's even though it tries to combine it with elements of 1, and the chain attacks are somehow even longer. I wouldn't recommend it based on those gripes.

>chapter 8
>level 65 already
Why I'm like this?

>>717345983
>Story and characters in 3 are an improvement
No they aren't. The story and characters in 3 are shit.

>>717346079
Explain why your image isn't correct. Music is 100% feelings

>>717329340 (OP)
Wuthering Waves still beats Bonanza in terms of hate on /v/. At least you can discuss Bonanza.

>>717346209
It's cringe and gay.

>>717345945
>>717345983
The worst part about 3's chain attacks is the music. Sometimes in 1 or 2 I'd take my time selecting my next move just to listen to more of YWKON, and I just can't do that in 3. Doesn't help that the chain attack song is bland as fuck

>>717345983
>but the combat follows the same structure as 2's
I disagree. Aside from the lack of hot bar, it doesn't have anything to do with 2.

>>717346209
Don't reply to that gguy, he has nothing to say other than 2 good 3 bad and he won't give any real reasoning other than dumb meaningless shit like "skill issue" or "esl"

>>717346342
Meds.

>>717346342
>ESL faggot mad about getting called ESL
Kek.

If you ain't got no haters, you ain't poppin'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1apXVmBaPg

>>717345937
You'll do a 180 when Monolith's next game is revealed. We all know you'll be screaming that they're the GOATS again.

When are they gonna release the S2 version?? I cant play ultil they do!

SEX WITH NEILNAIL!!!!

>>717329340 (OP)
True and based.

>>717333881
I'm still thinking that Cross is actually the consciousness of the Ares Prime inhabiting a J-body, specifically a developing consciousness and ego in the process of self-actualizing, and that was the reason Cross was able to pilot the Ares without having a human body and why Al took an immediate interest in Cross upon landing on Mira. There's also a non-zero chance that Al might be Xenoblade's Jesus.

>>717329340 (OP)
It really was terrible.

>>717329474
>manually typing filenames that look like reddit files
Absolutely schizophrenic

I never accepted the Marry Me quest and now it’s no longer listed at Mission Control. Am I just locked out of that party member now?

>>717349072
t.

>>717349407
kys schizo

MARRIAGE WITH MURDERESS!!!

>>717329340 (OP)
>speedrun at least 2 game's worth of plot into one chapter
>it turns out bad
Surprised_Pikachu.jpg

>>717348552
>>717349471
samefag

>>717349441
>Can't understand a joke about the game
You faggots really don't play anything you complain about huh?

>>717349307
It'll show up again, just go in and out of mission control until it appears.

>>717349512
I understood it, it makes no sense in this context, so again: kys schizo

>>717329340 (OP)
TRVTHNVKE

>>717349589
Al say things are terrible. Here I explained the joke Mr retard.

>>717349872
>Al say things are
ESL

>>717349872
No, secondary retard, Cross says it's terrible.

>>717350013
>Minor spelling mistake
>Ignores content about the post
Of course, I wouldn't expect nothing more from YOU

>>717349485
This really just hits the nail on the head as to the key problem of the epilogue. Chapter 13 feels like a train stuck on one track being blasted with TNT to launch itself onto another hastily constructed track based off some half-finished blueprints drawn up by an engineer a decade ago with a couple of notes added over the 10 years with simply not enough runway to let the train come to a complete stop on that new track gracefully.

It felt like a creative decision made to try to get the IP into a narrative state for a sequel closer to what they were originally planning back in early X development but with such a limited budget to finally create an ending it was always going to be a messy landing. I think the rumor right now is that Monolith Soft is working on new fantasy IP for their debut switch 2 title so it might be a bit longer until we see Xenoblade again. If what is next out of Xenoblade is truly an X2, it could become a scenario where the sequel itself ends up redeeming XDE's ending in retrospect if what comes out of X2 is really great thanks to the direction XDE lead it towards.

>>717350148
>>Minor
lol
lmao

>>717350049
Cross just nods. He doesn't talk.

>>717350238
Cross has dialogue options many times across the game, retard-kun

>>717350262
And? He doesn't talk. Dialogue options is just text. Heh

>>717350335
>He doesn't talk
Yes he does, retard. The characters react to the options you choose. He's speaking them, you just don't hear it. It's like Link in BOTW.
And cross talks out loud in battles anyways, so your whole argument is just retarded and makes no sense.

>>717349104
I do this just to fuck with people who notice.

>>717350435
Schizo

>>717350158
X essentially requires a sequel at this point because they chose such a roundabout and convoluted way to get the white whale crew off one mysterious planet and into another

>>717350419
If I don't hear then they don't talk. Also Al is the one that teaches you about how to say terrible after he says what's popping. So no idea why you said Cross is the one that says that in the first place? Sure you answer with that but Al is the one that came with that stupid shit.

>>717350595
>If I don't hear then they don't talk
You are a dipshit

>>717329474
>critics are le bad because they’re like my game’s heckin’ Voldemort!
Don’t you have some Twitter hugbox to go back to?

>>717350569
then there's also the ghosts which have generally been left with litte explanation.
In hindsight it feels insane that the entire war over earth could not have been explained in X to begin with

>>717350640
Angry about silent characters for no reason now? Lol lmao.

>>717329474
>xenoblade 3 introduces a villain that's an observation of common imageboard users complete with samefagging and soijak spam.
>xenoblade 3 haters triple down and act exactly like him.
It's poetic.

Btw chapter 13 wasn't terrible, just a bit out of left field and a messy course correct. X was always a prototype of 3 and was always meant to CROSS over into the mainline. The way they handled it could have been better though. I would have changed some earlier story parts.

>>717350729
Cross speaks in battles. He isn't silent

>>717329474
>>717350745
Samefag

>>717350564
It's only schizo if you're sincere.

>>717344491
He ran out of ideas 5 minutes into coming up with story beats for 3. XDE’s new story content is just the afterbirth slopping out of his anal womb after the necrotic poo-fetus that was 3.

>>717350758
He should speak with others instead of just nodding then. But I guess Link screaming also means he isn't a silent character.

>>717350837
If it walks like a schizo, quacks like a schizo... it's a schizo.

>>717329680
Xenoblade 1 on the 3ds. It was total ass on the squished screen so I decided to emulate it. It was fucking awesome, one of my fave games now.

Then X on the Wii U.

After finishing xenoblade 2 I dropped the series because of how much I hated everything about it. Didn't get back into 3 until a couple years ago during a game drought.

>>717350936
>guess Link screaming also means he isn't a silent character
Cross has fully voiced lines, you disingenuous faggot

>>717350938
Okie dokie.

>>717350973
Where are the fully voiced dialogue for cross in those 100 of hours of cutscenes?

>>717350569
Yeah but I think that was just purely intentional, just executed poorly. X from top to bottom is a product of creative compromises. Remember that originally before they narrowed down on scope that conceptually they wanted to make a game where you got to travel within a solar system of multiple planets. Mira itself is an amalgamation of what concepts they had for those planets scrunched down to just the 5 regions because obviously a scope that grand was just never going to be possible on Wii U hardware. The decision to move from a key protagonist to a silent self-insert customizable avatar was also something that came late in development, which caused much of the narrative ideas they had to get cut out to fit the new framework. The way they introduce the Ares Prime, Al, and exfiltrate the entire cast out of Mira always felt to me from the moment I finished my XDE playthrough like Takahashi just trying to do a runback on Xenoblade X with what resources they had to get it in a better state to try to actually execute that original vision they had in a sequel.

>>717329680
I started with Xenoblade 3D to get ready for X.

>>717351405
Continuing from this point - This is something where I would argue less about the material of chapter 13 and the deeper implications of it as I don't think the cast jumped to the main Xenoblade universe. I think they just wanted to give an explanation to how the entire series can connect itself for goofy crossover DLCs in a way that doesn't also create a plot hole to the dialogue in Xenoblade X about the White Whale crew getting scuffed transmissions from what they believe to be other colony ships when still having the intent to wipe Mira out of existence. (If the lifeholds are effectively artificial conduits, and conduits can communicate with each other across dimensions, it could be implied that those transmissions were not of other colony ships on other parts of Mira, but rather colony ships sent to other dimensions than the White Whale when fleeing Earth trying to communicate from beyond the rift.

I think in terms of creative execution, if the direction of Xenoblade next is a true sequel to X, it probably would have been better to have done a full proper remake of X to better set up the narrative seeds of chapter 13 and to give it less of a rushed ending, but that was just too vast in scope to get the resources for. Of course IF we get an X2 and the series does go into a more heavy handed fan service "EVERYONE IS HERE" moment where you have Al, Rex, Shulk, and Noah all piloting the Ares Omega fueled by THREE monados I'll be right here on the same side as the more pessimistic anons who think that is already going to be the case. (I dont think it is, but I can see how people might draw that conclusion from the content of chapter 13, so I get it.)

I dusted off this game last night after not playing it for a bit. Are there any guides out there for cool Skell builds with the Superweapons? I know on-foot combat is better for the endgame but I'd rather use the big robots because they are cooler. Right now I have Barrage Cloak, Zweihand-Q, and Electric Flood to play with, and I'm working on unlocking the Zenith Cannon for that Mastema one-shot build.

>>717329680
>What game did you start the series with?
Xenoblade 1 on a hacked wii

>>717329340 (OP)
Do you guys like my Xenoblade video?
https://youtu.be/g5nsXwjGO9E

>>717352096
same
It was the best feeling after installing homebrew to have this huge beautiful rpg just ready to play.
It was totally out of stock and with no restocks until later it was the only way to play it too.

>>717352216
Fuck off

>>717352414
:(

>>717353137
Is there a reason why you're bumping a shitpost thread?

>>717353217
Sexo

How come no one likes Sharla?

>>717353339
Useless in battles and irrelevant to the story

>>717353508
But she's brown and has huge tits

>>717353339
Used goods and talks about her ex boyfriend way too much. That's enough to remove all her sex appeal.

>>717329680
Pretty much the same as you, except the Xenoblade 1 remake happened before 3 so I played it before 3. I don't like Xenoblade 3, but the rest of the series is great.

>>717353956
Sharla and Gadolt never had sex

Poor Mythra...no one loves her

>>717354209
Sure Juju, your sister is a virgin.

>>717353217
This whole board is a shitpost thread at this point, anon. Just trying to keep the tradition alive. Besides, where else am I gonna witness a deep dive on Xenogears lore followed immediately by someone calling Sharla “used goods”? Peak /v/ vibes.

>>717329340 (OP)
I only played the original but I remember it ended on a cliffhanger. Can someone green text this chapter and the new ending?

>>717351701
I get that. My hope is that 4 is good and stands on its own. I’m more concerned that if it is, then what does 3 even have anymore other than its moral posturing? Everything else about it was extremely derivative. If it isn’t super connected to 4, then all of 3 could’ve been 2 minute backstory blurb about how two world became one. If it is, than we face the looming high probability that “recognize thing and clap” is going to reeeeeally prevalent to the next entry.

It feels like a Catch 22. We either get told that 3 was never anything but a $90 soft-reset and philosophy/ethics lecture, or we get the Hollywoodification of Xenoblade.

>>717356667
XC3 could've just not existed entirely. Alvis dumps Shulk and friends on earth, done. Make a game about the two sides clashing if you want and it'll actually be relevant beyond some dude developing a vague fondness for potato farming.

>>717356839
I had higher hopes Monolith could land the multi-game interconnection stuff better than Square prior to 3, but I’m just seeing the same issues pop-up, where “less is more” is not understood.

Will the next game be able to make a world as immersive as X and as colorful as 2; instead of making another Aionios

>>717356401
>Ancient aliens made both the bad guys and the original Ares
>The Ares can also travel between universes and space jannies hate it
>The guy who piloted the original Ares comes back, his name is Al and everyone sucks his dick
>Space jannies come to Mira's universe and it starts to collapse
>You race against time to take the original Ares's power cores back from the bad guys to escape the collapsing universe
>New ending is NLA's population evacuating on a jury-rigged Ma-non spaceship into a new universe, powered by the Ares cores you stole back from the new final boss

>>717353339
I like her Spanish pubes and pit hair

>>717357878
Spanish doesn't exist on Bionis

>>717354249
Why did Mythra and Melia become failed heroines?

>>717358048
Meds.

>>717358048
Fiora's the one that failed.

>>717329340 (OP)
You mean saves. Chapter 13 spits on everything Xenoblade X stood for and I'm so glad it did. Fuck Mira and its wildlife, may they rest in piss.

>>717357549
Are you the fag that keepa whining that 3 isn't as formulaic and generic as 2 saying things like MUH CULTURE?

>>717358625
>3 isn't as formulaic and generic as 2
Lmao, what? 3 is far more formulaic and generic than 2 is.

I just got to Colony 11 and Ashera is making me feel a lot of things

Why are so many people dogpiling X for its gameplay focus in that one Twitter thread? Sure, story is important to an RPG series, but gameplay is equally important and X has the best gameplay in the whole series, it’s so fun to run around and explore the world
And so many comments about the “bad story”, like come on are these people paying attention only to what’s in the “chapter” cutscenes because the majority of the game’s content and story lies outside that?
>people who’s favorite part of Xenoblade 1 was trekking through big plains filled with nothing but enemy encounters and watching an arts palette recharge
Do these people not like to actually play games and enjoy the gameplay

>>717358073
2 sucks btw. Cover up the TnA and all you're left with is a generic anime story with boring characters and a pointless gacha system

>>717358798
That character is exclusively liked by yuritroons. Sorry.

>>717358930
You need to go back

>>717359001
>all you're left with is a generic anime story with boring characters
But enough about 3.

>>717329340 (OP)
I really wished I hadn't played the final chapter I agree with you on that

>>717358798
I love her. Lone exile is also my favorite class. I wonder who Dunban slammed to make such a perfect creature.

>>717358798

>>717359335
She isn't related to Dunban.

>>717359335
This >>717359426. She's Reyn and Sharla's daughter who Dunban adopted

>>717359517
She's not related to anyone from the XC1 cast.

>>717359609
You're not related to yuor mom LMAAAOOO burn

>>717350569
>and convoluted way to get the white whale crew off one mysterious planet and into another
Btw, the other planet is the planet shown at the end of FR.

>>717358930
So I've also invested a lot of time in the Fire Emblem bubble and this was a constant point of argument. I know this is going to sound really hypocritical of me given how often I talk about lore since starting this series: the majority of the people who complain about this, just want an story they can play. They're the ones who watch a YouTube video on the lore of X game and then consider themselves an expert on the game or, God forbid, the series. I love lore in games. But I'm not going to give a single, solitary fuck about your story or narrative if the actual game it's attached to sucks. It's why when an NPC says
>there's rumors about people going missing in that cave over there and that's why the knights have increased security
The first thing I'm going to do is find that cave over there and see what happens. Or if a story relevant character remarks on a thing they were looking for? Welcome to the party dude I've never used once, let's see if the devs remembered what your motivations were. In XC2 I like how when you switch in Agate while fighting an insect, instead of her usual battle cry, she'll freak out because she hates bugs.

And I really think this is why I hate the type of people in your screenshot. The game should justify the story, not the other way around.

>>717359702
I hope not, way too many American voice actors aboard that ship.

>>717359697
hehe gottem ;)

>>717359821
Sure, I understand that X undoubtedly has the weakest main story in the series and that’s a major flaw, the “main story” is also my least favorite part of X
But the worldbuilding that goes into making NLA a place that feels alive, all the different speech bubbles and NPC dialogues that come up as you explore the city, and the way the city grows and you see the changes as people start reacting to xenos living in the city and adapting to co-existence, and the side storylines that pop up from these, those always felt like the true story of X to me (and ch 13 ignored most of these, because of course it did)
Plus, exploring the world in every Xenoblade game is one of the reasons I love this series, and X is peak at this
I’ve gotten lost in the worlds of every single Xenoblade just exploring many times, and I really wish more people would talk about the exploration and world aspects of the games, it’s very difficult to find discussion about the actual world or what prople’s favorite locations or viewpoints are

>>717356667
Honestly speaking, I'm fine with "the point" of Xenoblade 3 overall just being moral posturing is fine, because the conversations and themes Xenoblade 3 wants its viewers to consider are worthy of that consideration even if in the grander scope it leaves little impact on the overall universe and franchise.

The point was always that even if progress means the abolishment of all that props up your society, it's better to always move forward than to allow oneself to become idle and complacent with trying to hold up a status quo, especially if that status quo is established to only prop up and enrich a selective few at the expense of all others living within it. It's meant to speak to the merits of the cast that despite knowing that accomplishing their goals means burning their entire world to the ground, severing the bonds with the people they've formed deep connections and affections they developed on their journey, and rendering their lives and their suffering what some may consider meaningless and STILL choosing to follow through with it because they knew and they believed that making such a sacrifice is to ensure the future prosperity of both universes. It is at the end of the day a philosophy/ethics lecture in it's thesis, but with how much Xenoblade 3 tries to hold itself true TO that thesis makes it worthy of merit to me. I think the overall impact of it's narrative meaning so little in the grander scope is exactly what makes it's narrative so special. To the grander universe the events of Xenoblade 3 was a 2 minute technical hiccup that was utterly in-perceivable to the majority of people who experienced it, but the journey that was contained within it meant everything to the characters in the story. That is meant to be what is supposed to be beautiful about life to begin with.

However, all that being said, I do hope that they stay true to the statement that Xenoblade 3 is meant to be Monolith's end to that branch of the overall IP.

>>717360643
I think that's why I love the Colony 6 side quest in 1. It's not really about the resources connected to it, although that is a very important part. It's about seeing a hole in the ground be rebuilt into something else. When the scattered High Entia are on their knees in the middle of the woods, you know you built a home where they live. So all that time spent reloading into Makna Forest to get the resources you need to get the next colony level was worth it. And you can't get that same feeling by just watching a fucking video.

>>717360854
>all that being said, I do hope that they stay true to the statement that Xenoblade 3 is meant to be Monolith's end to that branch of the overall IP.
You know it won't be, especially after chapter 13 of XDE.

Also, what do you think about my XCX collection? I really tried to support the game and the DE release. I also bought the game digitally, and I also have the original special edition, hardcover english Prima guide, and Art of Mira somewhere in storage

>>717360854
>I do hope that they stay true to the statement that Xenoblade 3 is meant to be [HEADCANON]
This is why you retards always get disappointed
Make shit up in your head, then complain when crashing with reality

>>717360889
I enjoyed doing all of Colony 6, Torna community and FR community to 100% completion (and Mira survey but I never hit 100% on Wii U and haven’t killed Telethia in DE) and it sadly feels like that’s not common, with Torna community in particular being really hated even though I loved getting invested into Auresco and seeing plenty of character development and banter (but it is a fair criticism that making much of it mandatory wasn’t a good decision and was padding at best)

>>717329680
I preordered it just because it came with a free red classic-controller in Europe.

>>717346209
Music is mathematical not feelings. Maybe if you consider lyrics.

>>717361162
I'm of the stance that I'll believe it when I see it. I think people are reading a bit too deeply into what chapter 13 establishes about the rift between universes and drawing their own conclusions ahead of being given the actual answer by the author of the story. Not that I blame others for doing so considering how the Xenoblade 3 DLC ended, but at least right now I've interpreted the rift as more a mechanical explination of how it works by drawing a comparison to the Klaus arc "trilogy" while establishing how they could develop an X2 set within a different solar system. Basically right now at least I'm considering it no different than whenever Square Enix decides to elaborate about how "the void" in Final Fantasy serves as a rift between the different games in the franchises. This facet of the IP is firmly established, but so far SE has only used it as a vehicle for spinoffs like Dissidia, or as a cheeky way to establish how Gilgamesh gets to be the exact same Gilgamesh from FFV while appearing in other games in the main franchise. If Monolith uses the ghosts and the rift to turn the entire franchise to shit, I'll be complaining about it too, I just don't think it has been firmly established that this is exactly what is going to happen just yet.

>>717361497
I truly, deeply pity people like you who can spend like 40-80 hours playing narratively heavy JRPGs and somehow come out of the experience drawing nothing of artistic merit out of it. Like do you keep yourself away from engaging in any critical thinking out of all forms of media you consume or is it just video games?

Like there's nothing to be disappointed about if you actually read the words you're reply to. It's just an interpretation of a piece of media. Do you just not understand what the statement that "art is in the eye of the beholder" is supposed to mean?

>>717361028
Fucking hated this twit. Worst character of an already terrible cast.

>>717360854
That’s fair, but I feel an original narrative and setting making use of that could just work way better. There’s just a bit too much key-jangling in 3 that puts it at odds with a lot of the themes it tries to have sometimes, in my opinion.

Just spitballing, but rather than mash-up world. Why not have everything be in some more wild dreamscape a la Link’s Awakening? And then why not have the people from 1/2’s worlds be born into different kinds of species we’ve never seen to really differentiate it. Make it feel like some place that’s different, so that leaving it behind actually does mean something.


Y’know instead of “let’s mashup world but bad” and then “everyone is happy so we get mashup world but good”. Really get tricksy with the story beats, dammit. I get that re-using assets they already built was sensible from a cost perspective, but fuck man, for how much 3’s cock got sucked on release I just could not resonate.

>>717361867
Consider an A note on a trumpet or piano or something compared to a 440Hz sine wave played by a computer. It's the same pressure wave assaulting your eardrums, but one just has the person behind it putting a bit of love into their music

>>717362040
And I pity people like you who are deeply stupid but clearly don't realize it themselves
>It's just an interpretation
Not a valid one, mostly because you had Takahashi explicitly stating that 3 wasn't the end of the story* and then every piece of material that came out since then (Future Redeemed, official artbook, X DE) reaffirming this

*Then again Takahashi also said all the Xenoblade games were connected even before 3 came out and X tards psyop'd themselves into believing he said the opposite of what he said. Unfrotunately this fanbase is full of retarded schizos

>>717359908
They will get BONGED.

>>717350569
>X essentially requires a sequel at this point
After bombing twice? Doubtful.

>>717362250
I agree that you could have expressed the core theme of Xenoblade 3 without of the Xenoblade IP. It really could have been an entirely new IP and the core thesis could have still been fully expressed. I think just with the direction established at the end of Xenoblade 2 there was some demand to still how the two worlds of Xeno 1 and 2 can connect with each other.

To steel-man my point however, I also think that the fact that the game is indeed Xenoblade 3, with it's narrative conclusion being such a small footnote in it's history in a franchise characterized by people typically going out to kill a guy who wants to be God (when still going out of your way to kill the God guy) is part of what makes it's final conclusion more impactful. I feel one of the more obvious questions Xenoblade 3 tries to explore is the meaning to life. The natural conclusion to that question is that in the grand scope, life is meaningless, you or I will very likely die without being even a footnote in human history. I like to consider that Xenoblade 3's answer to that question is that while individual life could be considered meaningless, it is the experiences of those same individuals living that give their lives meaning. Shulk and Rex got to go kill their respective gods and live out their lives as legends in their worlds. The journey and experiences of Noah, Mio, and their friends that no one in their worlds will ever know even know about, and thus to the majority of people living in their worlds that journey was meaningless, they dont even know about it. (at least as it stands from the ending of 3) but to the cast that same journey meant everything to them. To live through and to grow from such an experience is what gives it meaning.

>>717362250
The artbook shows that Aionios was supposed to look even more apocalyptic originally with floating islands and circular structures carved by annhilation events everywhere

>>717363308
>to grow from such an experience
only Noah and Mio remember what happened.

Another example, aren’t they forgetting something? Why do so many people seem to think X “doesn’t count” or isn’t a “main series” game

>>717363571
Who remembers the events at the end of it is not the point of the ending man. The core narrative theme of Xenoblade 3 is life. The weight you are putting on who remembers what at the end is exactly the line of thinking that characterize Mobeus as villains in the narrative. At the end of Xenoblade 3, from the perspective of the main cast, as far as they know their final meeting before their two worlds split can very likely be the last time any of them will ever see each other. Rather than falling into the same mental trappings that lead to the creation of Z's endless now, they already chose to end it knowing that to do so also means losing the people they've literally fallen in love with regardless. To have had the opportunity to meet each other, form those bonds, fall in love. To experience those moments is what draws meaning out of life, not who remembers it when it's all over.

>>717364285
>also means losing the people they've literally fallen in love with
Only Noah and Mio are in love.

>>717361592
The only thing that upset me about Torna is that there wasn't enough of it. The base game refers to Temperantia and Tantal as significant battlefields against Malos and his gargoyles. What's more, he sank Coeia to the bottom of the Cloud Sea as an opener. I wanted to see all of that but we only get to see the end and Mythra only fought him once. Yes I'm still mad but if my biggest complaint is that I want more, I feel like that's pretty good. Also the battle theme is the best in the series.

>>717364351
I liked this better in X when Elma said it with all the transhumanist themes before they DEfiled it.

>>717329340 (OP)
>the only good xenoblade is hated by you
that's when you know it's good

>>717360854
>However, all that being said, I do hope that they stay true to the statement that Xenoblade 3 is meant to be Monolith's end to that branch of the overall IP.
Where did you get that? They said it was the end of the Klaus Saga, not the end of Xenoblade?

>>717365019
>reading comprehension

>>717364654
Fine, I'll take the bait

>>717353137
Melia owes me sex. Both voices.

>>717346272
>3 has actually god-tier battle music for Mobius encounters, complete with an even cooler version for when you get close to winning
>never get to hear it thanks to chain attack song

Dumbest thing ever.

Implying you wouldnt given the chance

>>717365208
Fits with 3 always being at odds with itself.

>>717364750
I always thought that those were retcons or “please forget about that” or “Takahashi forgot” scenarios to make Torna a shorter game and story, especially with how Torna itself suggests that the sinking of Coeia and the events of Torna was all that the aegis war consisted of
I also would’ve liked Torna to be longer tho, I love the cast and the atmosphere of the whole thing, a better balance between zany humor and heartfelt scenes compared to base 2
>the battle theme is the best in the series
Speaking of music, I think the Torna and Auresco field themes are some of the most underrated songs in the series and i find it weird nobody seems to love them

>>717361389
I didn't know they still sold CDs. Nice collection, although it would be better if Nintendo had produced more merch like a plastic model or something.

>>717365178
How is it bait?

I anticipate Xenoblade Y to be about the White Whale 2 crew infiltrating the new planet. So that we have an outside P.O.V to the new world.

>>717365208
Now that you mention it, is there ANY way to turn off the menu music? Because I'm approaching Keves Castle and I'm starting to hate it

>>717364248
Didn't play the game, potentially because they got filtered for some reason. It's the only game in the series without a difficulty option and I believe a lot of Xenoblade fans are actually kind of dogshit at vidya.

>>717365731
They do have plastic models of the Formula and Siren, but i’m less interested in them and apparently their quality is less than ideal too

>>717365745
Taion and Eunie grow closer to each other, eventually Euinie is caught admitting her feelings at the start of chapter 6.
https://youtu.be/eHhQV6VgKLY?si=_iNJjI_1lZ2z4GIf

>>717365938
Nope, music customizability is something Monolith Soft hates apparently, same reason why Visions of the Future can’t be turned off in 1 and Wir Fliegen and Don’t Worry can’t be turned off in X, and why they added an entire skell flight music toggle but without an “off” option for X DE

Why is there no helicopter skells?

>>717362532
>no no you see only my head-canon of the future of the franchise is accurate even though none of it is a part of the discussion I'm interjecting myself into.

Good grief you're retarded. Like black-and-white thinking literal autism retarded dude. There is nothing about the ending of XDE that definitively establish that X is now directly within the same universe as the Klaus trilogy of games. They even go out their way to show the planet at the end of X DE to have a ring while the planet shown at the end of FR did not. The only definitive connection you have is that multiple universes exist within the Xenoblade IP, something that was already established at the end of Xenoblade 2. Breaking down the mechanics of it by having some gifs of other games play in a power point presentation cutscene as a cheap way to establish how the 4th dimensional conduits are seeing events across multiple universes does not mean that the X subfranchise is now connected any closer than sharing the same cosmology.

Not only is any of this NOT at all what is even being discussed about xenoblade 3, your line of thinking is ironically enough the exact same fan-canon bullshit of drawing conclusions to questions in the franchise not yet given actual answers to that you've been attacking strawmen of. It's truly unbelievable to witness such profound mental retardation.

>>717366042
My actual answer to the question posed in the tweet, for X: “Humans may suck, but relatively peaceful co-existence is possible with mutual understanding and trust
…That Ch 13 doesn’t follow up on this message at all, no comment

>>717366779
Anon you have to remember sometimes that you're speaking to a bunch of /v/irgins in a discussion about a JRPG series with distinct anime influences. Some of these people just do not know or understand what a developing relationship between two people with compatible chemistry looks like.

>>717367403
>There is nothing about the ending of XDE that definitively establish that X is now directly within the same universe as the Klaus trilogy of games.
Apart from the red and blue balls colliding during the cutscene (which match the depiction of the incursion in Nia's lore dump in 3) or the fact that the White Whale 2's POV match the emplacement of white star at the end of FR?
>They even go out their way to show the planet at the end of X DE to have a ring while the planet shown at the end of FR did not.
They probably wanted to make it a Xenogears/Lost Jerusalem reference. Like do you think there is a cosmic force that prevent them to add the rings?

I miss /xgg/

>>717365534
To Torna's credit, it's a fucking huge DLC and Torna is a pretty good size for what it is. That said if I had to trade Gormott for an active Temperantia or even an unfrozen Tantal, I would've happily made that trade

>>717365386
Who you're talking to? I'm pretty sure everyone would unless your name is Shulk.

>>717367517
I wouldn't say so. You should consider that the people on Mira were only ever even able to escape upon the White Whale 2 due to the co-operation of the different factions and races who came together to live in NLA. I would consider this still reflective of that message, because it was thanks to that peaceful co-existence that all groups involved were able to escape what would have been assured destruction. It's a response showing the benefits of living by that message.

>>717329340 (OP)
2 is the only good Xenoblade and we will never have any other game like it.

>>717367798
>Some of these people just do not know or understand what a developing relationship between two people with compatible chemistry looks like.
shut up

>>717367964
Future Redeemed still felt too short compared to Torna, Torna really was peak Xenoblade extra campaign; I even finished it and did NG+ twice over on both the DLC and physical versions of Torna

>>717367403
>IT'S A MEANINGLESS EASTER EGG IT'S A MEANINGLESS EASTER EGG EVERYTHING IS A MEANINGLESS EASTER EGG
You seethed at FR, you seethed at the artbook, you seethed at chapter 13 and you will seethe at whatever comes next while Takahashi continues to be one of the most self-referential authors in vidya

>>717368148
Yeah but the entire chapter 13 ignores everything that can optionally happen in the side content so only the Ma-non are ever shown having an active role in the White Whale 2’s construction, sure there’s also the Wrothians but they don’t really do much at all
Remember the storylines about the Orpheans, how you helped find the water they needed to survive and how they started helping humanity with their technical knowledge like with the autosentries at the water plant? Or how the Zaruboggans have a storyline establishing that it’ll be very important to have them working together with humanity to detect and clean up biohazards on Mira as well as anywhere else they might venture to together in the future? None of any of that was relevant in ch 13 and all you get is 1 (one) second of them amongst the White Whale 2’s passengers

>>717365386
>>717368129
adult Melly in teen Melly's outfit is so kino.

>>717368359
So I'm working my way through 3 and I still have to play X. I told myself I want to go through the entire series again after I'm done. But I also feel a constant pull to go back to 2, start at Torna, and work my way to the end.
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/707582016/#q707585229

This post right here is what started me on 2. To the anons that told me to just jump in, I appreciate it. I love 1 but I love 2 as well.

Even leaving lore autism aside, imagine believing X will get a sequel all to itself after failing to produce results twice.
It hasn’t even moved a million copies. On Switch. That’s goddawful. The franchise is now back to pre-2 levels of popularity. Nintendo isn't going to allow this to continue.

>>717367798
>Some of these people just do not know or understand what a developing relationship between two people with compatible chemistry looks like.
Apparently you don't either.

>>717367851
>head-canon, head-canon, head-canon

Listen man, I fully understand the patterns you are perceiving and trying to draw answers from. I do not even blame you given the presentation of chapter 13 for drawing those conclusions. I am not looking to invalidate your perspective either, I've heard these interpretations already and I'm well aware of what drives them.

The reality of the matter is that if we are both to be honest here, with what definitive information is out that which could hint as to what is the future direction of the IP is just not enough, and too conflicting with itself to draw any truly definitive answer to that question. (And the decision make the answer so unclear was almost assurdily intentional to drive discussion and interest for Xenoblade while Monolith works on the fantasy game.)

All we have is loose information and fan theories, and we're going to be stuck with that until a new Xenoblade game is announced to give a clearer picture as to what that answer truly is. No harm in having these discussions, but let's just make it clear that this discussion is just fan theories (and not relevant to the discussion of narrative themes, this is a bit of a different subject.)

>>717369185
Takahashi's words aren't headcanon

>>717368980
Women like teasing men that they like, you would know that if... oh. Right. Never mind, then.

>>717360854
Couldn't have said it better myself. I think it's a great story and it's sad to see people dismiss it because it's not some universe changing event.

>They put a nigger in the main cast
>Trump wins
Well, that escalated quickly.

>>717367798
>a JRPG series with distinct anime influences
I hate you bait posters like you wouldn't believe.

>>717369354
Look, don't blame me because the writers couldn't make Taion and Eunie's relationship interesting or compelling.

>>717369550
2's story was not a universe changing event and people still loved it because it had endearing characters, unlike 3.

>White hair
>Pointed ears
>Pale skin
>Ruthlessly curious
So Z is some kind Samaar consciousness that forced it's way into Aionios?

Imagine if the next Xenoblade’s setting was modern Americans from NLA taking over Bionis and Alrest:
>Colony 9 has been paved over and turned into a generic American suburb
>Colony 6 now has a wild west aesthetic with a mining operation set up in the Ether Mine
>Makna Forest has been leveled and turned into farmland
>Valak Mountain is a ski resort
>Alcamoth is now New New LA and the seat of the government, the High Entia have been massacred and survivors colonized. Alcamoth is now repainted into the colora of the American flag.
>Gormott
>Uraya is now an overexploited tourist trap with businesses everywhere to take advantage of 5he pretty sights
>A modern cinema stands in the place of Minoth’s play threatre
>Army Pizza has an outlet right on top of Vandham’s grave
>Mor Ardain has been completely mechanized and industrialised and New BLADE Tower stands where Hardhaigh Palace was
>Leftheria is another popular tourist resort with gaudy hotels and tourist traps all over the islands, Fonsett has been demolished to make way for New Las Vegas
>Spirit Crucible Elpys is now a theme park highlighting the thrill and terror of being in the area. The ticket office, mall and restaurants have been built over the graves of Rex’s parents
>Tantal is where people from the old worlds have been exiled to by the Americans and is the last bastion of their culture

>>717369727
Forgot pic

>>717369727
Takahashi loves The End of Childhood so assuming it's not a coincidence it's probably more like humanity having genetic memory manifesting in their subconscious.

>>717368679
>one of the most self-referential authors
I think that's what a sequel does.
I swear every final fantasy being an entirely different universe rotted people's brains to what a sequel means. A sequel is SUPPOSED to be connected to the prior entry somehow. FF is just shamelessly coasting off brand recognition.

>>717369727
>>717369792
Pretty sure there's a theory to make about humans recreating Samaar tech with Origin and the whole universe being in one big loop, but that's for someone else to do

>>717369661
2's story literally involves the destruction and rebirth of the world like every single xenoblade game you dumbass. I think you're taking this "pretend to be an ignorant 2fag" act too far.

>>717370060
Still has better characters than 3.

>>717369339
Which words? Because here's Takahashi saying following the release of Xenoblade 3 that it's meant to be the conclusion to the story that began with Klaus. Granted this message is over 2 years old at this point, if Takahashi has definitely said anything that could imply anything more coming from the Klaus side of the franchise and isn't just visual pattern recognition and circular logic then by all means please point me in that direction. Until you can convince me otherwise, while I'm not dismissing your theory, what it is to me is still just a fan theory.

>>717369938
I'm fully behind that theory. There's too many similarities between the Ares and Ouroboros to dismiss. Chapter 13 also kept pointing out Ares's cores and zooming in on them.

Only thing I find hilarious is Shulk's son and some nopon bumbling ass backwards into recreating forbidden samaarian tech. Like accidentally recreating the nuclear bomb.

Did Nintendo’s marketing fail Xenoblade X again

>>717369938
Miiks or Luxin or Enel, I know you twats lurk here. Get on this.

https://automaton-media.com/en/news/new-top-100-ranking-of-japanese-peoples-favorite-games-dominated-by-domestic-classics-like-mario-and-pokemon-except-for-the-number-one-spot/
Also, how did not a single one of this Xenoblades make this list when so many other JRPGs are there

>>717369767
At that point you’re just making a markedly worse FF7 (you know, other than the markedly worse FF7s that Square made).

>>717329474
Z should corrupt my soul

>>717369661
I get that it's a crazy concept to consider on the internet but different people can like two different things for different reasons.

I love both Xenoblade 2 and Xenoblade 3 for different reasons. I love 2's own exploration of how people experience and live through grief and guilt, how it explores how people can suffer trapped in emotional trauma in silence, how important it is to correctly measure and value other individuals in more than superficial worth and power. I love how it gave actual narrative purpose to the more tropey "fan-service" scenes in the main narrative by narratively juxtaposing it later in the story when they pull the rug and reveal that the girl in the "Boy meets Girl" narrative is genuinely suicidally depressed and the tone shifts to Rex learning how to mature and give the support Pneuma needs to help crawl her out of the hole she's been trapped in. I even love how in X3 they show how Rex did get the harem ending with three wives, and then in FR having an actual honest exploration of a healthy polyamorous relationship and makes just a bit of actual time to briefly explore Rex's struggle to be emotionally present for his wives and kids when stretched so thin.

To me, the fact that the series is able to thoughtfully explore at times such rich and nuanced themes and subjects between entries is part of what makes it special. I would rather the door is kept open on this, even if it does mean that I might also one day run into a Xenoblade game I just didn't mesh with, like how you did with 3. I hold both games to equal reverence for different reasons, but I also know I probably would have been started getting bored with the franchise by now if every game was just another Xenoblade 2, or every game was just another Xenoblade 3.

The reason why Xenoblade X failed was because it wasnt full anime like the rest and didn't have waifus.

There, I said it.

>>717371591
Anal sloot

>>717370187
Now quite being disingenuous and read the next paragraph
While we are at it tell me how they are planning to explain Malos and the "virtual world" of Aionios like they said in the artbook in a completely unrelated game

>>717370837
That was part of the point, I was envisioning Mor Ardain becoming a discount Midgar

>>717371350
Piggybacking on the topic of Xenoblade's use of fan service and anime tropes in clever ways was how one of the earlier moments in Xenoblade 3 cleverly used the audience's expectations of anime tropes against them to better establish the setting of it's universe in that scene where Noah, Eunie, and Lanz are all bathing together after another fun day in the forever war and not only are they all bathing together, you even have a moment where their discussion gets heated and Eunie stands up from the bath in frustration and how the cast completely no sells the moment.

A knowledge of anime tropes would lead the viewer to expect a moment where everyone gets embarrassed from Eunie giving Lanz a front row seat to her tits and pussy, maybe with a close-up of Eunie's face getting all red in embarrassment but instead it was just silence. Such a quiet and subtle way to hint to the viewer the distinct lack of sexuality within the world of Xenoblade 3 for those who live under the flame clocks.

>>717371591
The reason it failed is because its weaknessess ultimately outweigh its strengths (which are vastly exaggerated by the way, the open world might have been impressive a decade ago, the sidequests are decent but nothing groundbreaking) and the vocal fans have always been just that: vocal.

>>717330743
I wouldve liked X if the localization wasn't awful. Still wouldnt buy it though due to the censorship. No titty sliders, no buy.

>>717372087
Bro, it’s a scene that they lifted from Starship Troopers, not some auteur masterstroke of genius. Calm down.

>>717372290
Yeah and that same characterization to sell it's universe was good and genius when it was used in Starship Troopers too, dumbass. Who would complain or not appreciate two cakes when both are good?

>Takahashi says about the survey: Regarding most questions that were written in this survey, almost all of them have proper answers. However, I’m just not answering them now, since I don’t think it’s necessary at this point. So for those sorts of things, well, if Monolith Soft is fortunate enough to continue creating things in the future, then I think we will be able to answer it at a certain point. For example, I understand that there are many requests to see what happens after the ending. However, if we were to do that, we would have to make [what lies] further beyond from Xenoblade 3. So, uh… I understand the sentiment, but please hold for a bit. If you can look forward to it and wait, that would be appreciated.”
Yeah, you can just tell they aren't planning to continue the story.

>>717369727
Samarians are the progenitors of humans from all universes apparently and they were studying the conduit, origin and the lifehold core are basically some similar Samarian technology that summon souls from the after life and from where Void was. Z is probably related to Void somehow. X, Y and Z are already a shadows from the trinity processor in a way, thanks to Origin being powered by Ontos.

>>717372481
This is why I call people retarded schizos, the answer is just staring at them in the face but they'd rather write walls of cope pretending everything is much more ambiguous than it actually is
>Here's how X2 completely unrelated to the other games can still win

>>717372454
I said calm down, sped.

And then they kissed

>>717372982
What does the N stands for anyway?

>>717329680
I bought a Wii U at launch for X

>>717372809
Sorry man I just get a little flustered when little faggots like you come in unprovoked to give the most functionally worthless input imaginable. I'm going to need you to just make sure to eat my entire asshole before expressing anything more meaningless. Make sure to do the side-to-side trick while you're at it.

>>717373151

>>717358139
To be fair, fiora got the short end of the stick by getting shadow realmed and everyone going "seven" on her

>>717373553
>I'm going to need you to just make sure to eat my entire asshole
t. Maldavius Figtree

>>717371874
>implying Aionios is ever coming back

>>717373750
To be fair Melia was a victim of bad writing and petty vindictiveness.

>>717372982
I thought N's design was ugly but holy shit Pokemon art style is just awful. I didn't know how much worse it could get.

Fuck you /xgg/!
I love Sharla!!

>>717329680
Played the opening hours of XC1 when the EU version released on emulators, then Nintendo confirmed they were going to bring the game to NA and I just waited to play the game with the official release.

In regards to your other question, I'm not too sure what expectations you should have after playing XC2 and XC3. Gameplay wise it's going to feel less refined than XC2 and XC3 but I would hope that you're already tempering those expectations because it's to be expected. It's still a great game but as someone who played every game as they've come out I find XC1 to be the weakest in retrospective, but that's more just a circumstances of it's existence. A lot of what made XC1 so compelling at the time has been done better in other games, and I find XC1 to have the least to say in it's narrative. I guess I would say to expect a more austere Xenoblade experience when you get around to playing it.

>>717374507
>>717367861
kys /vg/ refugee

>>717373584
I played this game like two times and I don't remember they ever saying his name. It just shows how much I know about pokemon lore.

>>717373858
Close but not quite.

>>717373750
Fiora has like two lines in the entire game one being
>Shulk
And the other being
>This breeze feels so good
She was barely a character by the time she became Meyneth's vessel. While Melia was Takahashi's suffering porn protagonist.

>>717329680
I started with XC1 3D in 2015 and then moved on to XCX when it launched later that year
Was XC1 3D a weird way to start the series especially when it’s the worst version of XC1? I still loved it though
Experiencing both 1 and X within such a short span of time still makes me look back on them more fondly (and I have more hours on 1 and X on switch vs 2 and 3)

>>717329605
>the series' overarching narrative
It doesn't have one

>>717330743
Haven't played it but it can't be as bad as 2

>>717345515
They're asian so they're all disgusting dark brown

>>717373553
Fucking god tier reply

>>717374834
Yeah let's completely forget her struggles with being a human shoved into a tin can body and the anxiety that she may never again be the person she once was, and the unsung miracle that she actually DOES get her body back and how that technology later becomes central to the conflict in 3.

>>717329340 (OP)
didn't play the remake. What's the new story beat? in the original the game stops when you learn that everybody real bodies are dead.

>>717376853
>how that technology later becomes central to the conflict in 3.
Huh? No it doesn't.

>>717368949
If sales were ever truly a deciding factor on if a Xenoblade game gets greenlit, this would be a thread about ARMS 3 and not the fourth Xenoblade game released on the Switch. Xenoblade games get made because Monolith Soft wants to make Xenoblade games and as a crown jewel support studio with fingers in the pies of many other vastly more successful Nintendo titles routinely get the greenlight. If it helps retain studio talent to help produce the next title to live perpetually within the top 10 lifetime unit sales rankings for the entirety of Nintendo's current hardware platform it's going to get the green light. Which is exactly how we ended up with 4 xenoblade games on the switch and not more ARMS sequels when it outsold Xenoblade 2 or like 2 extra Fire Emblem games.

>>717376853
>

>>717329340 (OP)
>*singlehandedly makes the game join /v/'s Top 3 hated games of 2025 next to E33 and Donkey Kong Bananz*
>it was real in my head
lel, retard

>>717376948
Oh right yeah the human body growth tech has nothing to do with making clones my bad hehe oops headcanon
Fuck you

>>717377543
When was it ever stated that Origin uses the High Entia tech that restored Fiora's body?

>>717329680
1DE plays fine even in the original Switch, the increased raw power of Switch 2 fixes any technical niggles.
>Btw, what can I expect from the XC1?
Arguably the best world building and lore in the series.

>>717340247
3 is much more like 1 tone-wise, the gameplay is similar to 2 but massively improved.

>>717377679
>3 is much more like 1 tone-wise
Not really.

>>717340247
XC3 is shit, you're not missing anything

>>717377594
Origin is meant to be made up of elements of the Mechonis and the World Tree, quickly repurposed to finish the arc before doomsday, you can notice this in those golden elevators that are taken straight from Central Factory and as well as the giant core crystals near the theater.
Other tech from Bionis and Aionios was also very likely incorporated into it, the intersection happened barely 11 years after the end of Future Connected, there's no way they had time to develop lots of new tech.

>>717377743
Show me the equivalent of blushy crushy, Mythra's cringe dance or Tora's anime maid robot in 3 then, even the regulation tranny blade (Juniper) is way less in your face than paizuri bird.

>>717377832
Alrest*, not Aionios, sorry.

I don't care for sena. Eunie is best girl followed by Ethel.

>>717377832
>there's no way they had time to develop lots of new tech.
It's literally a god machine, nothing about it makes realistic sense. A society capable of building such a thing would be like a highly advanced civilization. We see in the opening of XC3 that its barely more advanced than it was in XC1.

>>717377969
show me the equivalent of Shulk's "I'LL KILL YOU" in XC3

>>717378210
I like Sena as a character design and a personality. But I cannot say what her story is nor an I invested in it

>>717378342
The only "god" element to it is the core, what became Z after Origin was tainted by Moebius, and it makes perfect sense because it is a copy of Ontos' core crystal.
>We see in the opening of XC3 that its barely more advanced than it was in XC1.
The core of Origin was most likely developed in Alrest, not Bionis, hence it is made up of giant core crystals.

>>717378412
"If this world holds our lives back I will end it!"
"These are our lives here, they're not some toys you can just play with!"

>>717378578
Neither of them hits as hard.

>>717378460
Alrest isn't an advanced civilization either. Like I said nothing about it makes sense considering the societies that built are not very technologically advanced.

>>717378775
Of course, the context is different, there's also other lines and moments that hit harder, 3 is not a carbon copy of 1, but it is a much more serious game than 2 and much more in line with 1.

>>717378843
Alrest has direct access to blades and artifices, as well as a shitton of leftover tech from the Radamanthus.
And while not the same, the High Entia and Machina in Bionis are also extremely advanced to the point of having machines that can restore human bodies from small tissue samples.

>>717378865
>it is a much more serious game than 2
3 is definitely more melodramatic than 2, but it isn't more serious.

>>717378976
>that can restore human bodies from small tissue samples.
That took like 6 months to restore Fiora's body, it wasn't instant like the pods in 3. They aren't the same.

>>717376985
There's a fucking difference between allowing more niche series and said series going downhill in sales after looking like they were going to become consistent million sellers.
I can tell you Xenoblade 3 would have been a lower budget title had it not been for the success of the two previous games on switch. Nintendo won't allow things to be made at a loss.

Why the hell did shit like Game Builder Garage and Arms and Big Brain Academy get prioritized for switch 2 updates over the Xenoblade games anyway

>>717377743
People who say that are retarded in the extreme or just have a bone to pick with 2. 1 is very plot driven to the point most of the party members are basic character archetypes (childhood friend love interest, best bro, cool older mentor, etc) while 3 is character driven to a fault. I'd honestly have trouble recommending 3 to someone who liked 1 but nothing else in the series.

>>717378412
"You're full of shit! You never 'tried' anything! You're just a coward! If you meant it, you'd have found a way, but what do you know of the world and of life?!" Folllowed by >>717378578

>>717379116
And yet you refuse to provide me any equivalents between 2 and 3.

>>717378578
>>717379602
You are autistic. You are proving that guy's point without even realizing. Imagine thinking these overly verbose and melodramatic deliveries are equivalent in any way to Shulk's raw hatred in the opening act of the first game.

>>717379152
Yeah, by itself, then Shulk found Ontos' core crystal.

>faggot reported me for saying nigger
Good to see Xenofags didn't change at all

>>717379768
And?

>>717379739
Noah keeps his emotions under control. Shulk has some anger problems early on but then gets a grip on them more or less after colony 6

>>717379974
>Noah keeps his emotions under control.
N is literally a 1,000 year-long sperg out, lol

>>717379974
That's not the point you fucking dumbass. 1 wouldn't have Shulk deliver a speech to Dickson or Mumkhar about he's just le coward with no friends who needs to come out of his shell. 1 wouldn't spend an entire chapter on a sad backstory for Reyn. People who say they are remotely similar have to be trolling.

>>717380090
Noah is not N, that's the whole crux of the plot if you're not retarded.

>>717380348
They literally are the same person, 2 parts of the same soul. You didn't pay attention.

>>717380253
Shulk delivered that speech to Dunban when he tried to kill Mumkhar.
You're just stuck in hehe Shulk Goku shonen scream from fucking chapter 3.

>>717380404
>2 parts
Exactly idiot, Noah is the part of N's soul that is MISSING from him, he is what N isn't.
But hey, if Noah is just N then show me him sperging out the way N does.
Rent a brain.

>>717380505
Noah literally says he would've done the same things N did if his Mio had died. Noah was just lucky enough to be the one who's Mio didn't die.

>>717380430
>Actually Shulk said [something completely different] to [completely different person]
Great argument dumbass. At least you refrained from making an even bigger fool out of yourself by pretending Melia's sad happenings are somehow equivalent to all the nonstop melodramatic rumination in 3.
1 is a game of action, 3 is a game of feelings.

>>717380549
If we're splitting hairs and to add onto this, it was also the friends he made along the way

>>717380549
No, Noah says he would have done what N did IN THE SAME SITUATION AS N, but not anymore as he does not see his Mio as his be all and end all.
Again, show me Noah sperging out like N does, except you can't, because Noah never acts like N and that's the whole fucking point of the soul split thing, Noah and N are literally incomplete without each other Noah is so aloof and detached partially because he lacks that element of his soul just like N lacks the part that wasn't just obsessed with Mio and cared about other people like Ghondor.

>>717380742
Noah didn't care about his "friends" he ditched them to be with Mio at the end.

>>717380790
>he does not see his Mio as his be all and end all.
Yes he does. He only chooses to grab his sword and fight N at the execution after he knows his Mio is alive. And he leaves his friends at the end to go be with Mio, possibly never to see them again.

>>717380694
Nigger, Shulk literally stops Dunban from killing the irredeemable evil that is Mumkhar the fucking would-be assassin of Fiora simply because "He's muh homs, we can't hurt a homs!", a position that the story pretty much validates when the only way we can get rid of Mumkhar is by having him kill himself by accident while in a murdeorus rage like an idiot.
Sharla spends the whole game crying about Gadolt, Melia's (Arguably the game's most transcendental character) entire arc is about feeling like her dad doesn't care about her and then being heartbroken to find out he actually did right when he dies, Fiora is legit only there to turn Shulk into a mushy kitten.

>>717329474
I would let this guy run the world. He seems nice and better than whatever garbage we have now

This is, quite literally, the last thing the game has to say about N (and M)
>NOOOOOOOO MY HEADCANON
Fuck off

>>717380894
Way to dismantle your own argument, yeah, Noah doesn't do shit even when Mio is getting homecoming'd because his soul is literally incomplete, good job admiting he does not ever sperg out like N.
And of fucking course he gets the will to fight after realizing that not only she is alive but also free from the mark, he loves her, that doesn't mean he would do what N did, specially when right at the end of the game Nia tells him he can go moebius if he wants and he declines even tough this means the worlds restarting and drifting apart, taking Mio away from him in the process; you call me autistic but you don't seem to understand basic human emotions like the idea that Noah can love Mio and want to be with her and still not be a tard who would go moebius at the cost of everyone else.

>>717381025
Nevermind, you really couldn't stop yourself for being retarded.
>wow, this Lao guy is so serious and sad! X and 3 have basically the same tone!
lmao

>>717381320
>And of fucking course he gets the will to fight after realizing that not only she is alive but also free from the mark, he loves her
Yes, so he only does the right thing when he's in a position to benefit from it. Not just because it's the right thing to do. He's not heroic like Rex.

>>717381427
Rex lost once and gave up all hope until a robot poked him

>>717381210
They're the same people as in two fractured halves of the same person, not the same people as in two clones that act in the same exact way.
Z makes clones and he admits he has no fucking idea what the fuck is going on with Noah and Mio, because they're rebirth does not obey the rules of Origin, if a person gets homecoming'd or moebius'd they are removed from the loop, but something made Noah and Mio randomly return to the cycle even while their original bodies are right there next to Z.

>>717381025
lmao is this the new "uhhhh ackshually xeno was always cringe anime like 2"?
>ackshually everyone was always a boring drama queen like in 3

>>717381427
>Yes, so he only does the right thing when he's in a position to benefit from it.
>He's not heroic like Rex.
Good job stating another massive difference from 2 and similarity to 3, Noah much like Shulk is actually quite vengeful until his waifu turns out not dea.

>>717381635
>>ackshually everyone was always a boring drama queen like in 3
No, Reyn and Dunban weren't, much like Lanz and Taion.
Neither 1 nor 3 however have a fucking waku waku dance scene, or a character literally describing the concept of "moe", or a "you're in my bed you perv!" moment, 2 is the only game in the series so far that has animu moments that are this at odds with its central themes of suffering and sacrifice.

>>717381660
Shulk doesn't refuse to raise his sword until he knows for sure that Fiora is alive. He fights the entire time.

>>717381819
Lanz and Taion are barely in the story, just like Sharla in 1 or Morag in 2.

One of my friends who loved the original on wii back in the day tried 3 and basically hated it.
I think he got to around Taion's backstory before dropping it, he simply said the story was boring.
That's my contribution to the conversation.

>>717381847
Look at Noah's face when M approaches him and says "I'm sorry" and you'll see he's about to bite her tit off until he realizes she's Mio.

>>717366518
The Formula is decent, but Siren is an absolute piece of shit. Biggest waste of money and nothing can save it.

Kotobukiya literally put no effort into those kits. But Bandai is no different, on the contrary, they might have slightly better articulation but who knows.

>>717381895
And Reyn and Dunban in 1.

>>717381819
Nigger, Lanz has multiple Joran induced spergouts! Taion has an entire chapter dedicated to his tragic backstory! You can't be serious with this shit. Lanz and Reyn are only similar in the most superficial way imaginable, much like 1 and 3

>>717382010
They're more involved in the story than Lanz or Taion. Dunban is literally the retired legendary hero

>>717381948
No, he was just giving up and wasn't going to do anything.

So why are having this argument, exactly? Xenoblade 1 and 3 are different games. They are allowed to have differences

>>717382202
Because there's always this schizo faggot: >>717377679 who hates 2 and uses this "1 and 3 are sooooo similar and 2 is the black sheep" shitpost to start the shitflinging.

>>717381819
Thanks for admitting the whole thing was in fact you having a chip on your shoulder over 2 and nothing else.
>hurka durk look, the manon are talking about anime tropes, X and 2 have basicaoly the same tone

Does anyone have the image of the Manon staring at a real slice of pizza? I REALLY like that image but forgot to save it :(

>>717379189
>Title actively marketed as the third game in a trilogy, and a remaster of an almost decade old game released less than three months before the launch of new hardware without a native port sell less than a title released within the first year of new hardware as the only big title within it's genre when attachment rates were at their highest.

Woah incredible, is there any other earth-shattering revelations you care to share? Is Fire Emblem a dead franchise too because Engage failed to sell even half as much as Three Houses. Like you don't even need to think about the question of "if" any of these games still turned a profit (they all did.) Nintendo is a publicly traded company, they are literally legally obligated to openly disclose with their products fail to meet expectations I dont even know why midwits like you even think to speculate on it, read their fucking finance reports they're public.

>>717382721
Your Fire Emblem example is not accurate. It would be more like if Engage had fallen to pre-Awakening sales.
And even then, I assure you the next FE won't be like Engage. For the same reason next Xenoblade won't be like X.

>>717384302
Is there a reason you keep bumping this shitpost thread instead of letting it die?

>>717384414
It bothers you that I have free will and you want it to be bumped more? As you wish

>>717384590
>Tiger Tiger

Hurts my hands

>>717384590
Why bump a shitpost thread, retard?

>>717384302
>>717384590
kys /vg/ refugee

https://youtu.be/JVb_if7Taqg?si=Vy_zI76GJ4lV8XS0

>>717374647
It's never stated in the game, the director told us after the game's release in an interview.

How are there still retards coping that X isn't connected even now? I have no clue how these morons will bend over backwards to say that Saga and Gears are connected but X isn't even after chapter 13. Whatever, hope you guys get a lobotomy when X2 comes out and inevitably all of the games come together on a single planet.

>>717385378
I kinda hope X2 takes place a while after the WW2 lands on the recombined planet, so we can see the different places after everything settled. Alcamoth is over there, Mio and Noah's house was in this small village and you can meet Ghondor and his daughter there, et cetera

>>717385516
Nah, I'm good. Rex and his family already got plenty of spotlight in both XC3 and FR. Show someone else's kids.

>>717385671
Bruh,.I meant as an Easter egg. Literally a named NPC. Obviously there would be more than that

>>717385830
>Obviously there would be more than that
I doubt it. The writers didn't seem to care about any of the main party aside from Noah and Mio.

>>717386138
So then why are they included in the game at all? Why not just have The Red Thread of Fate duo run away together alone?

>>717386258
Cause you can't have a JRPG party for battles with just 2 people. So they added 4 interchangeable filler characters who contributed nothing to the story and will never be mentioned again.

>>717330743
easily the worst one of the series.

>>717388850
Why are you still keeping this shitty bait thread alive retard?

>>717388850

>>717388892
>>717384590

>>717387232
but enough about 2

>>717387232
but enough about 3

give me a hint for the last two lobsters that spawn after definian downfall

>>717390048
Near the shops and talk to some dude bro

>>717390048
I look exactly like this btw

>>717390338
Natty?

>>717390379
You bet. Watch this
*snippy* ***BOOOOOOM***

Should I bump this thread again?
Ooo, that one loser will be soooo mad if I do....
But he can't stop me either.

Melia should've had a two-piece swimsuit

>>717391952
Melia should've had a child. Everyone else got one.

>>717392198
She did, she was posted nearby so she was always nearby

>>717392198
Obsessed.

>>717392198
Dunban didn't get a kid, neither did Morag or Brighid or Tora.

>>717392495
Tora is an incel who made a loli sex bot so ofc he didn't breed

>>717392646
cringe twitter "humor"

>>717392646
Ashera isn't related to Dunban.

He looks just like Adenine

>>717392971
Meds

>>717392971
People also thought that Cammuravi looks like Rex and Crystal looks like Shulk. But none of them are related either.

>>717329340 (OP)
>*singlehandedly makes the game join /v/'s Top 3 hated games of 2025 next to E33 and Donkey Kong Bananz*

Wait a minute, those are the three best games so far this year! One might almost think /v/'s opinions do not come from a place of intelligence...

>>717393213
kys yuritroon

They just can't help replying.
They yearn for it.

>>717393615
not related btw

>>717393653
See what I mean? It's that shrimple

>>717393757

>>717329340 (OP)
>literally the 3 best games of the year
>hated
how much ruupes are you being paid saar?

>>717393213
I'm sure the game will explain it but for now I'm extremely curious about how far out 3 is from 1 and 2. I'm certain the Agnians are Blades. Flesh Eaters at that. And considering they don't need Drivers and Blades become Flesh Eaters by eating the hearts of their Drivers, I have several horrifying questions about what happened to Alrest after the Fall of the World Tree. But Sena very clearly has traits of Brighid. I've seen a few Agnians that remind me of Theory. Makna Forest looks alarmingly similar to Morytha. And Uraya is just gutted. Literally but also figuratively.

>>717394589
Which Engage Ring would Sena use?

Where do you gotta start in xenowhatever? Can I play xenosaga or something? xenogears? does it even matter? I imagine xenoblade 2 needs you to play 1 but even then idk

>>717394860
>But Sena very clearly has traits of Brighid.
Their core crystals are different shapes. Mio and Glimmer's core crystals look exactly like their moms'.
Brighid and Sena aren't related.

>>717395006
So I've cleared XB 1 and 2 and both are kind of their own thing. There's a moment in 2 that calls back to 1 but you can still enjoy the game and catch that moment on the back end if you decide to go back

>>717395047
Huh, so the blue flaming hair is just a coincidence. I'm actually kind of glad about that. As an aside, I'm scouting for someone who looks like Pandoria.

>>717394979
Ike or Roy

>>717395109
FR has Linka. That's the daughter of the ZEKENATORS

>>717395006
Xenoblade 1 and then go by original release date.
So, XB1 -> XBX -> XB2 -> XB3.
Though you can play them in any order since all the games are standalone like Final Fantasy or Tales of.
Xenogears and Xenosaga are their own separate thing (for now).

Sooooo we agree the Blue light is KOS MOS, and some form of Xenobladeified Xenosaga is canon to Xenoblade right?

KOS MOS should be the protagonist of the next game

/vg/ refugees just love bumping the shittiest threads for 500 posts.

>>717395528
You are a part of this mess too. Might as well revel in it

>>717395646
I'm not the one who purposefully keeps shitpost bait threads alive for 500 posts, that's you.

>>717395528
>>717395762
Make a better thread and I'll join you.
inb4 not my job retard

>>717394860
>I'm certain the Agnians are Blades. Flesh Eaters at that. And considering they don't need Drivers and Blades become Flesh Eaters by eating the hearts of their Drivers, I have several horrifying questions about what happened to Alrest after the Fall of the World Tree.
What happened was that drivers procreated with their blades. That's why their offspring don't need a driver.

>>717395347
I swear I love KOS-MOS and T-Elos

>>717395848
not my job retard.

>>717395932
Then square the fuck up and stop whining. You think they whined in Normandy? In Iwo Jima?

>>717392427
With Melia? Why yes, how could you tell?

>>717397364
>No physical release of FR
I'm still mad.

>>717361389
Did they ever make a special edition out of the switch definitive edition?

>>717329474
>Z mogs everyone in all life cycles no diff
>except the last one for no reason and jobs hard

Chapter 13 is bad fanfic and non canon

>>717369185
>No harm in having these discussions, but let's just make it clear that this discussion is just fan theories (and not relevant to the discussion of narrative themes, this is a bit of a different subject.)
Says the guy who cried "black and white whatever retard"

Alright, just post Xenogirls and kill this thread already.

>>717404714
Where did her pants go?

Hairy xenogirls > shaved xenogirls