Thread 717349554

No one can actually define what a 'Soulslike' is

Haha yup, you heard the man, folks. We're doing this thread again, GET FUCKING HYYYYYYYYPE

>>717349554 (OP)
Games like souls, bronybro.

This.

I can
>game that thinks difficult = fun
>boring as fuck because ‘hard’ is the only mechanic

>>717349681
>attacks mapped to bumpers and triggers
never understood that control scheme, it's honestly why I avoid souls games.

>>717349554 (OP)
>ontological inquiry about an amerimutt term to name every game that reminds them of Miyazaki's IPs
You stupid fuckers

>>717349554 (OP)
Plenty of retards who think "Soulslike" is just when the character can roll. I guess Sonic is a Soulslike now.

>>717349554 (OP)
games with the ACTUAL UNIQUE elements of the souls games, esp dark souls 1.
>bonfire system where you drop your souls when you die and have one chance to get it
>respawn all enemies when you rest / refill your healing items
>interconnected levels with unlockable shortcuts (also in metroidvanias but makes a game more soulslike if you have it)
>environmental difficulty that requires slower gameplay that ties into the bonfire system to create a system where you have to choose to risk going forward and losing your souls or turning back to cash in
its NOT "game is hard" "lock on third person combat" "dodging", mario is not a soulslike because its difficult and ocarina of time is not a soulslike just because you can lock onto enemies and dodge melee attacks. Hollow Knight on the other hand has a lot of soulslike elements (interconnected world, bonfire system with losing money & respawning enemies) despite being 2d and platformer. Black Myth Wukong is just a third person action game that takes inspiration from souls games (save points respawn enemies but no penalty for death so they're just checkpoints, linear chapter separated levels, plus it has skill tree progression instead of RPG stats)

>>717350392
Dino Crisis 2 is a soulslike

>>717349554 (OP)
Smash bros is a souls like

>>717349554 (OP)
>Nobody knows what a Soulslike is
This has been true since the very start of the term being used.

>>717349681
>>717350041
And retards are really going to tell me that is not a souls slop? Even if they are faggots who still going to fight over semantics on what is or not a souls slop, THIS PIECE OF SHIT STILL WILL NEVER BE SILENT HILL

There’s degrees of “soulslike”
I’d unironically say assassins creed from origins to valhalla tried to ape souls to a degree
But I’d say the main attributes of a soulslike would be
>light attack, heavy attack, dodge and/or parry
>combat consists of waiting for openings to attack
>”estus”
>tiered upgrade materials
>losing currency on death with one chance to reclaim it

>>717350392
it's pretty easy to tell if something is a slop like. is the combat shit? if yes then it is a slop like.

>>717350392
Yeah this is how it should be. People are way too loose with the definition. I think Nioh is the absolute limit I'd allow for stretching the definition. Any further than that and a game just straight up isn't a soulslike.

>>717349554 (OP)
Anything I like or don't like, basically.

>>717349554 (OP)
It's something that's like Dark Souls just like something that is like Rogue is a Rogue like. It's not that hard.
It's only made difficult by the absolutism of people who are fucking autistic (IE: the only type of person who is driven to get into internet fights with strangers over it) and think that the comparison essentially means it's a 1:1 and not just 'like'.

>>717350149
Shinobi PS2 has a dodge with iframes, never knew it was a soulslike until now.

>>717349891
This.

Almost everything people hate from Souls games comes from Monster Hunter.

>>717351025
I agree that the newer assassins creed definitely took some mechanics from souls games, but light/heavy attacks and dodging had been around in games long before souls. I think what really confuses people is that the souls games had a big impact on action games that came after them (and even turned more into action games themselves with ds3 and elden ring) but it's much rarer for games to actually copy the elements that make the souls games unique. I would honestly reserve the true soulslike label for games like Lords of the Fallen, Wuchang, & Lies of P. Just because Halo invented regenerating shields in an FPS doesn't make borderlands a Halo-like, it's just a symptom of lazy journalists being unable to talk about anything without direct comparison in the same way that every first person game was called a doom-like back in the day.

I really fucking hate how discussion of this game has been completely ruined becuase people can't tell the difference between "this game takes inspiration from x" and "this game is literally x" with people just straight up calling SHf a fucking soulslike.

>>717352128
Don't care, souls slop or not this garbage still is not silent hill

>>717351556
Rougelike is a much more easily defined genre though.

>>717350041
wow they fucked up

>>717352251
It's a Silent Hill like

>>717352128
the game was ruined the moment ryuukishi was involed if you know who he is. this being above a 5/10 game will be a miracle

>>717352286
I mean, anything outside of "Game that reminds me of Dark Souls" is in the realm of pedantry. It's a generalization meant to move conversations along, not to invite hair splitting.

>>717352516
I mean he's a hack in the VN sphere but for a survival horror game it could work. Would at least make something interesting out of it.

>>717352374
Funny how that term doesn't even fit this garbage since IT HAS NOTHING from silent hill
>no guns
>not in Silent Hill
>no gameplay
>not even in fucking america

>>717352128
I mean, it's only ruined because you have a strong emotional reaction to people getting something that doesn't matter wrong.

>>717352654
No it's ruined because you can't actually discuss the game without threads getting derailed by shitposters and retards and shitposting retards. See the first anon who replied.

>>717350392
third point isn't necessarily true, you can have an open world soulslike and as long as the first two points still hold, it's a soulslike. Like ER.
Fourth point is just an elaboration on the first two. Enemy respawn on rest and loss of experience on death, those are the two mechanics that define a soulslike

soulslike cannot be defined, measured, or distilled.
like like the human soul, heh...

>>717349554 (OP)
The bonfire system is really the main thing.

>>717352743
>if you don't like the direction the game is going and thinks that the game is just copying trends like souls like you are a shitposter
get better material shill

>>717352993
Good. I hope it sells well. The only think holding old SH games were their core gameplay mechanics.

>>717352993
If you just didn't like the game that would be fine, I don't really care but saying it isn't Silent Hill exposes the bait and/or retardation and unironically saying fucking guns makes it a Silent Hill which is the stupidest distinction I've ever seen in my life when literally every SH ever has always focused more on melee than guns. You just come across as a larper pretending to be a fan of the series when you're so ignorant on it.

>>717353073
Keep dreaming shill

>>717349681
I beat every boss except the gargoyle twins on my first attempt in demons souls. Its barely a souls like.

>>717349554 (OP)
Remember when we just called them action rpgs?

>>717349681
fine i'll bite. picrel just describes an action game.
"soulslike" at its most basic describes a level design language oriented around bonfires which respawn enemies, creating a constant risk/reward calculation when exploring unknown areas. a game without bonfires can never be a souls game

>>717353150
Also accusing literally everyone who disagrees with you as being a shill is something only a shitposter does, you're clearly being dishonest. It's also ironic given you accused me of taking everyone who disagreed with me as being a shitposter to try and deflect from your blatant shitposter behaviour since no, it's not everyone, it's just you. Almost like you're projecting.

>>717350041
>attack animation practically snaps to the enemy

>>717353141
>>717353341
Yeah guns fucking does make it silent hill you dumb fucking faggot, they are in the game since fucking SILENT HILL 1. Just because the game focused a little more in the horror aspect than fucking Resident evil at the time, it doesn't mean they forgot about the gameplay who made the game or are you really going to tell me that you killed every single boss with a melee weapon?
>you're clearly being dishonest
Says the faggot who is literally ignoring the fact the Director admits that he is just following trends, again fuck you SHILL, i bet you never played a single Silent hill in your life

>>717353547
Bait as much as you want the shooting of guns has literally never been integral to the core experience of a SH game. Heck the gameplay in general barely matters. It's always been about the tone of the game and the setting the game takes place in. Last (you) I'll give you since again, you're clearly shitposting.

>>717349554 (OP)
>>717350041

>new Silent Hill game is no longer set in Silent Hill
:|
>new Silent Hill has the protagonist fight monsters with a pipe
:0

>>717353918
I guess 1 and 2 are the only SH games then by this logic.

>>717353770
>"uhhh actually a mechanic that exists since the first game is not part of the franchise, just enjoy the new souls slop because i never liked the gameplay from the past games, you fucking shitposter chud"
Keep shilling this flopped game faggot, this will NEVER BE SILENT HILL

>>717350041
Why do Konami and /r/Reddit Resetera GirlGamers thinks this is cool? This is unappealing. Heather Mason had better melee variety, IIRC by 3rd hour you had a medieval morning star from the sewers.
>>717353141
Silent Hill had an emphasis on "melee?" OH. MY. FUCKING. LORD. Are you one of these "big fans of Silent Hill 2" by the way? THE FIRST WEAPON YOU GET FROM SILENT HILL 1 IS A PISTOL FROM THE FEMALE COP. THE FIRST WEAPON YOU GET FROM SILENT HILL 3 IS A GUN.

STOP FUCKING POSTING, FUCKING SH2 FANBASE. MUH DEEP WALKING SIM, MUH 'THE GAMEPLAY ISN'T THE FUN, ITS THE STORY' FARTING INHALING. SILENT HILL 2 AND IT'S SEQUEL SILENT HILL SHATTERED MEMORIES ARE DOGSHIT GAMES. INSPIRED BY SILENT HILL 2 IS ALL I NEED TO KNOW TO AVOID YOUR KUSOGE.

Not buying Silent Hill F. Ugly protagonist. No gun and has nothing to do with SH1 or SH3. Even the Silent Hill movie was closer to the source material than PLACE JAPAN. Take your HRT pills SH2 Resetera Reddit queer.

>>717354040
I bet you're the same kind of person who thinks RE3 is the best RE game just to be a contrarian.

>>717354040
You use melee to defeat more enemies than guns in every Silent Hill game ever. Without exception. This isn't Resident Evil.

>>717354104
No, more like SH2 faggots are the epitome of poser core. The people de-emphasizing guns think SH2 and its sequel Shattered Memories are "good games actually". Every time you open a Silent Hill thread you'll see apologists for Shattered Memories coming out of the woodwork because it felt closer to SH2. Yeah, in putting you to sleep.

>>717354040
Ackshually in SH3 the first weapon is a lightsaber. So yeah

>>717353970
Half of SH3 is in Silent Hill. SH4 has levels set in Silent Hill such as Wish House and the Water Prison. Other than that the story keeps referring to the town of Silent Hill.

>>717354040
NTA but I always found the emphasis on melee combat to be the biggest differentiator from Resi

>it doesn't take place in Silent Hill so it doesn't count
Why do autists get so hung up on this? The game's a spin off anyway. Who the fuck actually cares?

>>717350005
I remember when i first tried ds1 and i was bewildered that light and heavy attack weren’t mapped to square and triangle. It makes sense to an extent. The left shoulder buttons control your left hand and right is right but it was weird

>>717354257
>I believe, genuinely and unironically, that Silent Hill would be scarier as a walking simulator.
>The scariest moments in these games were when i was just walking around and taking in the ambience, the gameplay itself was just a worse Silent Hill, if i wanted that i could just boot up Deadly Silence in the Nintendo DS.
The Silent Hill 2 and Shattered Memories fanbase by the way. Konami I'm not buying your ugly Silent Hill in Japan game with an ugly femoid.

>>717349681
>unironically
as opposed to ironically?

>>717354376
Anon did the fact that he replied to himself with a wojak not clue you in to the fact that he's shitposting?

>>717349554 (OP)
Soulslike is a game that plays like Souls games.

What other definition does it really need? The term is quite literal. It's basically the "GTA clone" of today, and "GTA clone" meant a game that played and felt like a GTA game.

"Silent Hill isn't about guns"
"The game doesn't have to take place in USA"
"Actually the game doesn't have to feature a good looking protagonist"
Sasuga SH2 Shattered Memories Reddit coded posters.

>>717354040
>>717354243
They never played silent hill and only watched youtube videos essays about it, i bet most of those faggots was not even old enough to ever touch a PS1 in their life

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heather_Mason
>More appearances than Pyramid Head in Silent Hill
>More cameo appearances in other games than any other SH protagonist
>Has 2 Hollywood movies
>A joke bunny stuffed animal of hers is the mascot of the franchise
You're in a Silent Hill thread, but always remember, you're also orbiting SH1, SH3, and Heather Cheryl Mason. SH2 cucks and Shattered Cucks need not reply to this post, check in with your therapist.

What caused this retard to have a mental breakdown?

>>717349554 (OP)
>Is your game being criticized as X-thing?
>Don't worry! Just release blog articles that say "Nobody knows what X-thing is anyway!"
>Mission accomplished: you have successfully poisoned the entire well to defend your pile of cheese like the faggot cowardly rat you are

>>717354786
>I HECKING LOVE SH2 VIDEO ESSAYS! I WATCHED LETS PLAY SH2 XD I'M A MILLENNIAL WOMAN. I'M ABOUT TO PLAY SH2 REMAKE WITH MY HUBBY AND CANDLES COLLECTION UP VOTE RESETERA SHILLS PLS!
>I preodered ugly femoid, melee only, Silent Hill F's game!
many such Silent Hill 2 ""fans""" cases

>>717354243
>>717354352
>>717354492
>>717354726
>>717354786
>>717355014
>>717355241
>>717355332
What flavour of mental illness is this?

>>717354376
but everyone who plays RE are knife only chads.

>>717355505
>Anybody who greentexts or uses images on an IMAGEBOARD are all the same anon!
Actual brainrot. Go back to Discord

>>717350842
>souls slop
for fuck's sake stop saying slop you utter faggot

>Ugly protagonist (what's up with her face?)
>Silent Hill needs the Soulsslop melee only combat
>80 dollars
>Developer's first game from Hong Kong
>"We want the SH2 the town is sentient therapy poser audience"
>Not set in USA so no Cheryl/Alessa/Heather or cult
Dogshit. Redditor HRT posers can't wait to watch the full game on YouTube.

>>717355972
>spams the exact same opinion in the exact same posting style conveniently nearly exactly a minute apart every time
You are unmedicated. You are unwell. Seek help.

>>717352762
yeah I'm not saying you need ALL of these to make it a soulslike, just enough of them to make it clearly derivative rather than just inspired/taking some mechanics. The non-souls specific stuff can also help in making something more obviously a soulslike even if shouldn't be the first thing judged (like r1/r2 for attacking, a dark fantasy setting, a plot told through item description and cryptic npc dialogue, third person melee combat, etc)

>>717355972
>>717356121
Anon are you fucking kidding me right now? At least TRY and hide it. What the fuck are you doing?

>>717356134
Silent Hill 2, Shattered Memories, and F are dogshit poser core like the Redditor Resetera discord you're from.

>>717354492
>The Silent Hill 2 and Shattered Memories fanbase by the way
I'm a Silent Hill 1 fan actually.

>>717349554 (OP)
Is when you take Ocarina of Time combat and add more roll slop bonus point if the lore of the game is inexistent with vague random shit on items

>>717349554 (OP)
God she's so ugly compared to Heather Cheryl Mason.

>>717356121
>Ugly protagonist

>>717349554 (OP)
>Stamina regulates physical actions and attacks
>Main mean of defense is timing based (Rolls/Parries)
>Checkpoints you can rest in to restore your HP and rechargable healing item at the price of respawning enemies
>Weapons have distinct looks and movesets
>When you die you lose currency but you can gain it back by returning where you died
Sounds easy enough

>>717357360
How much of this actually applies to SHF?

>>717357360
>Sounds easy enough
You would think so but there's plenty of retards who suggest otherwise

>>717353307
>picrel just describes an action game.
Most actual games don't have stamina bars or notoriously difficult bosses

>>717356121
>no Cheryl/Alessa/Heather
why is that a bad thing? that story is finished

a game with melee mechanics where doing somersaults at the right time is important, and you can parry attacks sometimes

A soulslike combat system:
>melee
>stamina bar
>lock-on
>difficult bosses
Games that are labeled "soulslikes" also usually have the respawning enemy bonfire system and RPG EXP leveling system on top of the combat system described, but having the combat system alone is enough for some people to label it soulslike, like with Silent Hill F

>>717349554 (OP)

It's a third person action-adventure with a stamina bar, invulnerable roll and RPG-lite mechanics. That's it. Really not a big mystery.

>>717350842
lol calm down

>>717358317
Because he's your average miserable /v/ tard. Incapable of actually enjoying anything any more and simply lives off the nostalgia of games he used to be capable of enjoying before he became a miserable jaded fuck where every new game is bad because it's not the exact same thing as the games he grew up with.

>>717353141
>anon is fighting the monsters instead of running from text adventure puzzle to puzzle
shiggydiggy

>>717359098
no

>>717349891
This honestly. Liking souls-like as a genre is basically the same as your favorite music genre being “loud”.