Thread 717366716

Why didn't you save her?

>>717366716 (OP)
she was a literal prostitute (as in working as one) tried to outsmart a fixer, the player, played with black voodoo boys (haha ranyon), got reckt, mindraped, pawned off to a snuff movie team and at no point considered she was dumb and out of her league. she even didn't a shit about her then be gf.

Evelyn Parker, a real dumb bitch.

*didn't give a

>>717366716 (OP)
>why didn't you save her
Because the game doesn't allow you just like it doesn't allow you to fuck Bluemoon. The game in general was rushed after they scrapped lot of things to integrate Keanu's role, there wasn't much freedom of choice lot of the time but Phantom Liberty was a bit better about that.

>>717366716 (OP)
>Why didn't you save her?
you literally save her, idiot. she suicides regardless.

>>717366716 (OP)

Because i like it when women kill themselves.

>>717367136
Johnny's plot actually simplified the game since you play most of the time his boring flashbacks that are completely on rails. The past is written.

>>717366904
I was honestly surprised she ended like this, when you first meet her she looks so secure, wise and gives you the impression that she is charge, bitch was just hiding behind a tough facade

>>717366716 (OP)
>Prostitute
>Possible homosexual
>danger hair
>Not even hot
My only regret is that I couldn't strangle her with my cyber hands.

>>717367274
In subsequent playthroughs I leave Judy on read at this part. Deal with the outcome of your lifestyle choice yourself.

>>717367336
More like she just forgot the fear of God and Darwin and genuinely believed that nothing can happen to her because she's a badass alpha bitch who gets to copulate with a member of Arasaka family. Then she just collided with reality at full speed.

the real tragedy is the untimely demise of dex deshawn
what a waste of a good juicy bbc

>>717367289
>simplified the game
Yeah it did and shame I'll never get to know what they originally had planned. They eventually got new plans.
>big wholesome chungu Keanu will help with sales Keanu did but at the cost of scrapping lot of what they originally were making. Maybe Cyberpunk 2(whatever the fuck they'll call it) will be more like Phantom Liberty's quality but I don't got much hope with CDPR.

>>717367821
They could have just NOT let Johnny tell you his past and he would control you mid the actual game and do decisions for you if you resist him. And he should behave differently if you are corpo (reject you on anything possible aka hard mode), sympathize with you as street kid and maybe be undecided and random as nomad.

Anything would have been more interesting than "you must see his past". People could have just told you or you find out due to actually non-boring lore chunks. The TV mechanic in the apartment could have had Johnny Silverhand movies showing him as villain or hero.

>>717368196
I just hope they don't do something like this again for the sequel, maybe at most a celeb appearance for a DLC or few story missions but not having one follow you around every waking moment in game. Least his performance wasn't absolutely terrible if it was I'd probably not finished the game.

>>717366716 (OP)
With a hair cut like that she didn't deserve saving.

>>717368769
What about the bald nigress, did her hair cut deserve saving?

THE CAMIONET, LOOK FOR THE CAMIONET

>>717367336
Which is good writing and done on purpose because you can even tell Takamura you think she works for a corp because "she looks the part"

>>717366904
It also says a lot about the Voodoo Boys as well, they got some random whore to find some random ass mercs to pull off an Arasaka heist for a very highly secretive prototype that never did anything like that before. Voodoos really needed that chip to try and contact Alt but instead of looking for an absolute professional the Haitians went with a random whore. They had the netrunning skills to track down a real professional but they went with the whore from Clouds? Somethings about the story never made sense.

>>717369405
Did you miss the part where she's the whore who's sleeping with Arasaka Jr.? The VDB didn't pick up random streetwalker #328, they had their eye on her specifically because of her connection to Yorinobu

>>717369601
This, we wouldn't even know about the shard if she didn't tell V and Dex.

>>717369601
>Did you miss the part where she's the whore who's sleeping with Arasaka Jr.? The VDB didn't pick up random streetwalker #328
That doesn't explain why they didn't have a professional on the line to work with her, they solely were relying on her and her alone to put the heist together when she never did anything like that before herself.

>>717367336
>>717367518
Did you two forget that the whole point of cyberpunk is that no matter how ambitious or audacious you are, no matter what world-shattering gig you pull off, it's always just a stock blip for the corps?

>>717370042
The story is foreshadowed in Dex's car ride "die in a blaze of glory" or "grow old and smell of piss".
The pollacks thought the hollywood meme of foreshadowing is super intelligent or some shit, so all endings are death or disablement.

>>717370192
I liked the one where you become a normal guy.

>>717366716 (OP)
All whores die alone and forgotten, it's the regular norm.

>>717370263
Well you are weaker than in the beginning with 0 implants. 2 street thugs total you to shit.

>>717369405
no, the heist was NOT part of the deal with the VDB.
they were gonna pull their own heist, and wanted her BD scroll with yorinobu.
she was not randomly picked.
they picked her because she was his whore and had the perfect software to scope out his living space without being detected because HE refused to have proper security due to distrust of his dad and Arasaka.

>>717369405
I thought that VBs used her to get info on Yorinobu, but the heist as it was was her own plan.

>>717366716 (OP)
I still refuse to this day that someone like V would work for some prostitute without any kind of insurance shit was a gigantic black flag

>>717370476
correct.

>>717370513
>V would work for some prostitute
you were never working for her unless you picked the options to agree to cutting out Dex, retard.
YOU were working for Dex, a fixer with, as far as you and your fellow people on the bottom new, a great reputation.
You had no idea about the history and people who made up the fixers in Night City beyond Wakako at that point, while your head in the sky buddy knew a little bit more about stuff like the afterlife.

>>717370513
>legendary fix on board
>BD checks out
>once in a 100 lifetime opportunity
>Jackie whispering street kid propaganda in your ear
Makes sense to me.

>>717370680
exactly!

>still no saving Jackie DLC
They could even make it coop then.

>>717370513
V and Jackie are literally based retard tier at the start of the game. They have no idea what they're doing, they just wanna be NC legends, hermano

>>717370909
this.
V is either a dumb street kid like jackie, a former corpo who's entire knowledge base is about what the corps (not the mercs, gangers, and fixers) do, or a nomad who barely even knows what a big city is like.

>>717367274
Johnny is right as always.

>>717371126
he was also right about the clouds.
there is no good ending there but choosing the one that forces judy to see she was never gonna get a good ending in the first place.
I get to smash her face first into reality and she abandons the bullshit entirely and fucks off.

>>717370909
>>717371036
They wouldn't have survived 6 months of crime life if they were this retarded

>>717371451
sure they would.
there is a bunch of small time work anyone can do without ever knowing about the bigger stuff.
especially if you are just a bit lucky.
the tutorial mission is a perfect example.
all you need to do is to retrieve something intact.
you can be loud, you can be quiet, it doesnt fucking matter.
you barely even have to make any effort to keep the "package" "intact" aside from shoving a stim into it, and trauma team does the rest.

So long as you don't stumble into anything bigger and your fixer isn't messing up or screwing you over, you can stay at that low level for a while and be fine.

>>717371451
They're literally street trash. Jackie lost all his siblings already. Jackie did die and V would've died too without the engram

>>717371951
and it didn't have to be something like konpeki that did them in, either.
the hidden gems stuff shows you dozens of people who were basically at that level and got in over their heads specifically because they thought they were hot shit.

I'm playing this game for the first time right now. I'm having fun, but it's really striking that this game feels very mis-marketed. V is mostly a very preset character. He's a lot closer to the type of protagonist that Geralt is rather than a typical WRPG create-a-character, like the Baldur's Gate 3 protagonist. You have some choices but frequently the options all make sense in the context of who V is as you meet him in act 1. Your background is shown on all your saves but it doesn't seem to affect anything but an occasional optional dialog choice.
The RPG mechanics of the game is really more about what method of violence you use.

>>717366716 (OP)
shit game wouldn't let me

>>717370405
Can't remember at what point in the game V mentions it, but I recall they wouldn't mind becoming a fixer when they retired from active mercing. I like to think that's what they did after the PL ending.

>>717370513
it was the perfect job though, it would have been buttery smooth if saburo didnt decide on a whim to visit his traitor son on that day of all things

>>717370192
>so all endings are death or disablement
bullshit.
the sun and temperance are neither of these.

>>717372429
>if saburo didnt decide on a whim
thats the thing.
it wasn't a whim.
he specifically came because the prototype relic yorinobu stole was saburo's ticket to immortality via body jumping his engram.

>>717370513
Isn't the 70% cut to the fixer just that? In hindsight they do betray you but they're supposed to have all the bases and fallbacks covered.

>>717366716 (OP)
I jerked off to her BD scene.

>>717372586
correct, and a good fixer would have the bases covered.
dex was not a good fixer, but new people didn't know that and he had JUST come back so word hadn't filtered down.
you do get the option to try and deal with just her secretly, even if its a dumb one.

>>717372578
>he specifically came because the prototype relic yorinobu stole was saburo's ticket to immortality via body jumping his engram.
yeah exactly, but he could have visited him the day before the heist or a day after the heist
>you had legitimate reason to be in the plaza
>flathead was working wonders
>you had 5% more than usual cut
>everyone on board was a pro
everything was perfect except the dumb luck of saburo being there lol

>>717372459
You do realize you die in every ending except the one where you lost your powers forever. Even Alt says that soulkiller is not perfect and engrams are not having a real sould anymore. Name's quite literal. Johnny is a construct like an AI, like alt. It just acts realistic. Nothing more. Think this game filteret to many even when it was in your face about this. Sad.

>>717366716 (OP)
No one could have saved her, she made too many wrong decisions and fucked over too many people
Getting involved with the Voodoo Boys alone was basically a death sentence no matter how the heist turned out

>>717368490
>hoping they won't do another celebfag when the game and its dlc sold well enough because of the celebfags

Why is the doll implant even a thing?
Are sluts in the future too mentally weak to fuck and suck fully conscious?

>>717372769
thats a smaller roll of the dice than you think.
there was a limited window for the op between yorinobu getting the relic and saburo showing up.
its implied through the BD scrolls of parker that he had only recently gotten it.
he gets it, VDB quickly find out, possibly because of Alt, send evyln, and she quickly moves to get her side heist going as a ticket to a happy life, dex moves to quickly get back on the scene and establish himself, and arasaka quickly moves to recover their stolen property.

it was practically a coin flip, anon.
they never should have gone for the biochip because araska was guaranteed to be coming after it.

>>717372817
no you dont, stupid.
in one ending you explicity do not die because of alt, in the other its left uncertain.
you only die in some of the endings.

>>717366716 (OP)
>saving a whore
kek

>>717373125
I know its a bug, but Smasher staring straight at you through the whole thing is cool.

>>717366716 (OP)
The game wasn't an actual RPG so it was impossible because the story is entirely on rails.

>>717373083
means you don't have to train a whore to suck and fuck good.
the chip does it for them.
one quick trip to the ripper and you have a high class hooker ready to go.

>>717370076
>No matter what [one man does], it will be a stock blip for [planet-spanning entity consisting of many millions of people]
How very DEEP. I am enlightened.

>>717370436
Based actual Cyberpunk player
The VDBs only wanted the apartment footage, God knows how they intended to get the Silverhand engram from Yorinobu though. As retarded as Dex's heist plan was, it was at least small and covert, and it would have gone off without a hitch if not for the untimely appearance of Saburo. I don't think the VDBs have the tact or the subtlety to pull off anything like that, I wonder if they would have essentially just tried to operate through a fixer like Rogue and get them to do it

>>717373235
nah, the bug was him having the highlight in the scanner of being an actively hostile enemy.
could still be that he saw you the entire time and just said nothing for all we know.

>all the iconic 2013 power players are in the game even as a secondary character in a single mission (shaitan and murphy) EXCEPT blackhand who is absent for some strange reason
whats up with that?

>>717373612
He's retired in the 2050s.

>>717373083
>Get to divorce your normal persona from your work life, Severance style, so regardless of what embarrassing or degrading shit you do, you don't have to remember it
>Instantly download sexual prowess that you didn't have before getting the chip
>The chip shuts off your normal personality and makes you into whatever the client wants, like when V meets that one doll and she has a quiet, deeply empathetic conversation before the chip shuts off and she goes back to being a dumb whore, meaning you don't even need to be engaging as a person
>A club like Clouds probably offers significantly money more for becoming a doll than you would get trying to turn tricks in Jig Jig street, at lower risk to your person since the club is heavily monitored and guarded
I mean it's fucked that it requires you to get a mind control chip installed, but for the higher tiers of escort like Evelyn, it probably makes some amount of sense once they accept that they can't making a living any other way

Seriously, what were the writers thinking with this character?

She's a smug dumb bitch. She tries to dupe you. She's responsible for everything that happens to you in the Arasaka heist.
You don't even really need her. All you learn by rescuing her is that she worked with the Voodoo Boys, and that's something Dex already mentions in the briefing to the mission.

And yet, the devs are insistent that you learn about her exploitative job at Pierre Woodman's whorehouse, about her abusive lesbian relationship with Judy, about all the suffering she had to endure, and when you think that shitty story arc is finally over, they once again try to tug at your heartstrings by making her commit sokoban.

30% of the game is about trying to make you care about this idiot woman who you have a reason to hate and no reason to like, why?

>>717366716 (OP)
Never heard of her.

>>717374053
Yeah, I think they missed an scene where we can at least fuck that bitch until she pisses herself so we could care a little about that fuckmeat.

Because I couldn't, okay? Gosh!

>>717375404
Shame on you

>>717367274
>Super serious suicide scene
>Johhny makes a dark quip that we all agree with to a certain extent
kek I loved that
He wasn't my favorite part of the game but for some moments he shines

>>717373090
>in one ending you explicity do not die because of alt, in the other its left uncertain.
You got filtered from understanding Mikoshi. Alt just vores you or Johnny. Your engram just merges with you. The time you meet alt before that and can ask her questions she says that it's not her anymore. Fucking soulKILLER does your brain get it?
Engrams are like engravings. They are not people.
Holy shit read a Gibson novel, learn what the Dixie flatline was and how it's not a person.

>>717373090
>in the other its left uncertain
You still think an idiot nomad doc will save your life and you won't die in 6 months regardless? The entire secret service took 3 years to get you to a state of a complete invalid cripple just to let you live. There is no miracle cure. You are in denial because you didn't emotionally process the death of your character.

>>717376094
>Your engram just merges with you.
with her*

>>717367274
Do you think Keanu is actually like this when the cameras aren't rolling, or was he just having fun being an edgelord for a change?

She was so mid. Shouldnt a corpo prince have higher standards

>>717376624
It was quite realistic

>>717376624
Mid or not, I'm going to use her death as my official excuse to turn Voodoo Boys into confetti on sight and not just because I'm a racist.

>>717366716 (OP)
Why didn't you save HER????

>>717376824
Voodoo boys were such a let down. Just a bunch of retarded niggers. Their original version of being white frat boys drug dealers who race swapped to niggers is much funnier. Haitians being capable of hacking? Lmfao

>>717366716 (OP)
Because you can't? If you mean within the story, blame Judy for leaving a suicidal PTSD sexual assault victim alone.

>>717366716 (OP)
I feel bad for her but she is too dumb to survive.

>>717366716 (OP)
She is literally an idiot

>>717373359
Hey cock socket, Johnny nuked the city before the start of the game, and people barely even remember. Nothing changed.
It's not subtle.

>>717377126
Wait she got raped between the heist and finding her?

>>717377603
Low yield nukes more similar to the 9/11 bombs, only people in the vicinity got killed or irradiated.

>>717370042
No they didn't rely on her to setup any heist. She was supposed to just record a brain dance of his room and give it to them. She planned the heist on her own to sell the chip herself and get all the money. Voodoo boys didn't even tell her about the chip, they were surprised that she knows about it when she asked. And then that conversation in french shows that they were worries about her, because she seemed to know too much but they didn't have a better way to get to Yorinobu. You didn't pay attention.

>>717366716 (OP)
Why would I even attempt to save such an unambiguously treacherous ho from the consequences of her actions?

>>717376393
no idea, if a bomb hit malibu/northwestern LA i wouldnt really give a shit

anyway i came to this thread to say:
that's a man

>>717378394
>>717377603
Its been forever since i played so my memory of all the story points might be off, but wasn't everything about Johnny you see half bullshit? You're just seeing his memories and he remembered everything he did being all big and grand when he really wasn't as big as he makes you think.

>>717376282
NTA but I found the nomad ending the best ending cause even though you're doomed to die you escaped the city and instead of dying in some commie block and tossed into the trash you're at least with the nomads who will treat you like a family and show you some respect when you die. You're fucked either way but you at least get a moral victory. That being said im also in that boat of wishing they added some happy ending you could go for no mater how convoluted it may be. A story being "cyberpunk" doesn't mean it has to be a bad end no matter what.

>>717372429
>>717372578
Can it really be called a whim when nobody except for Saburo and Takemura has access to Saburo's schedule?

>>717377603
>>717378394
I guess he never heard that two bombs weren't enough.

>>717378947
Yeah. And?

>>717366716 (OP)
I don't play woke shit.

>>717379548
....
Anon I'm not the most woke guy in the world and I didn't really get a lot of that playing this game besides a couple of barely noticeable moments. Care to elaborate?

So, the sequel is going to be about the AI's beyond the black wall Mr. Blue Eyes connection with them right? And if CDPR still wants V to still be the protagonist then the ending where you take the crystal palace heist job for Mr. Blue Eyes in exchange for some sort of cure would probaly be the most canon.

>>717366716 (OP)
You can't.
She deserved what she got. But my nice guy V would have done it if he could.

>>717366716 (OP)
There's no option to do so.

>>717378689
kek this
Its always funny when people complain about Cyberpunk's story and then its revealed they barely paid any attention to what was happening right in front of them

>>717379695

That character is a transvestite. He has giant man feet. If you zoom in on the model you can see where the penis is tucked.

>>717379753
If I were them I'd just do something totally unrelated either later (Cyberpunk 2088) or earlier.
Best to do a clean break with this sort of story.
If it didn't make so much sense to use the Night City map and assets again I'd even say set it in another city.

>>717380085
And Claire is a known tranny. So what? S(he)'s not trying to force the message down my throat while were racing through a dust storm. Who cares?

And this is coming from me. Fucking hell.

>>717366716 (OP)
She was a conniving whore, she had it coming.

>>717367136
>Because the game doesn't allow you
This is the answer to 99.9% of the stupid bullshit in this game and why I dropped it.

>>717377698
Did you not see the set she was on? The end result was almost certainly going to be her being fucked to death in a snuff film.

>>717367496
It's significantly more devilish continue on and back her dumbass revolution, have it backfire spectacularly and THEN leave her on read

>>717379963
The game has a way of wasting your time. Character dialogue can often times go nowhere and give you little information. They sometimes talk as though they're being cryptic, but really they're just trying not to reveal there's no jnformation about certain things.

When Johny first tells you to go to Mikoshi, for example, it could be a two-sentence conversation.

"We should go to a place called Mikoshi. They studied soulkillers there."

Instead I can't recall what all V and Johnny talk about, but it's meandering. It's REALLY easy to start zoning out and miss key details because characters talk about nothing a lot. Also there are a few blink-and-you-miss characters who matter once and never again.

>>717380739
anyone else feel like too may of the factions in cyberpunk are excessively evil?

>>717369405
Voodoo Boys are the most kill on sight faction ever in that game.

>>717380964
>It's REALLY easy to start zoning out and miss key details
Zoomer attention span
Read a fucking book and retrain your ability to hold attention.

>>717381010
The scavs are a bit worse but not a significant story faction to the point where im not sure if they even are a proper faction

>>717381131
Anon you can't be defending Cuberpunk's writing and telling other people to "read books" when just by the defense I know you don't fucking read anything interesting.

Cyberpunk has SOME good moments but it is not a tight script.

>>717372817
That exact conversation literaly comes up in a sidequest, Johnny basically says "well if the real Johnny Silverhand is dead that's his problem, i'm me and what's going to be taking over your body if we don't figure something out so I don't know why we're talking about this".

>>717376393
i think it was the latter. you can tell he was having a lot of fun hamming it up (well, as much as hes able to lol).
i fucking despised johnny on my first playthrough though so i missed out on a lot of his dialogue until my second

>>717381220
I'm not saying Cyberpunk's writing is good, I'm saying if you have a regular attention span you don't "zone out" mid conversation like some kind burnout. I'm saying read a book to gain back some of your short circuited attention span, because a book doesn't have jangling keys and flashing lights to keep you interested.

>>717374053
The entire second act is just chasing leads and she's one of them. I don't like her either but the 3 mission strings (Rogue/Panam, Takemura, Evelynn) are kind of cool and there's actually a lot of dialogue changes depending on which order you do them in

>>717381008
Just the scavs

>>717366716 (OP)
Developer spiritual homosexuality

>>717381480
i think maelstrom is worse
the scavs aren't trying to summon AIs from beyond the blackwall and put them in human bodies

>>717366904
I could have fixed her if that garbage game let me.

>>717381330
It's such a weird game in that a lot of characters suck, but get enough cool moments you learn to forgive them. And I don't mean they seem bad, but then get better, I mean they seem really insufferable at first but get a little better when it turns out they also know how to do a kick flip or some other mildly cool thing. Johnny is insufferable in a lot of his scenes but then has enough cool scenes that you can be okay with him.

Lord knows I'd have killed Panam before her first mission if the game had let me.

>>717381364
You can pretty easily fade if someone is trying to be circumspect about the topic. It's called "purple prose" and is usually frowned on as a writing technique because although it makes a script longer, it does so by wasting time and makes your reader zone out.

>>717381559
>that one shard where a corpo hires Maelstrom for some underage cunny and ends up raping his daughter they kidnapped

>>717381631
yeah i wasn't a fan of panam and then it hit me: she's autistic. still don't like her but at least it makes sense

>>717376094
>whiny faggot doesn't want to become an AI
ok retard, still not death.
>>717376282
doesnt even know what ending is the sun
ok retard who didn't play the game

>>717381753
Maybe you, a burnt out retard without an attention span, can pretty easily fade. Again, a normal person does not zone out in the middle of a conversation.
If the game is that boring to you, you shouldn't be playing it in the first place. Let alone try and comment on it. Leave the conversation heavy games to people who have functioning dopamine receptors. Maybe Mario is more your speed?

>>717381775
W-what?

>>717381775
Damn, never encountered that one

>>717381938
I kind of assume it goes the other direction and maybe if you're retarded, you're used to sitting through vapid conversations and often create them yourself, so it's no problem when they come up in the game. It's just Tuesday to you.

>>717381775
The shards in this games are so fucked up I actually believe it

>>717376094
>>717376282
They were too cowardly to do the actually clever thing and reveal that in your 9 in-game months of refreshing vendor inventories there isn't a "V" to save because you never noticed a change in your own consciousness. It's hinted everywhere like with helman but the completely bitch out on the pretty obvious but omitted fact V isn't going to "die" when the chip is done.

V is and should be a dude playing a dude playing another dude by the end. Alt and the johnny ending the most retarded from replacing whatever Vs become with a shitty simulacrum from some fraction of Alts memories of johnny.

>>717376393
Keanu must really love acting like an asshole. He always shines.

https://youtu.be/kLEnDACUD_Y?si=Towbxw1CRI60G7Z5&t=110

>>717381946
>>717382092
It was somewhere up north in the industrial area, by some factory with burned up cars and dead Maelstrom bodies. Fuck if I remember exactly where.

>>717382141
Sure buddy.
The retard is the one not having any trouble paying attention for the duration of a 5 minute conversation. The REAL high IQ move is to zone out.

>>717382471
I mean a baby is entertained by shaking keys in front of their face and can spend hours glued to Coco Melon, so you tell me.

>>717381218
Scavs are bad, but everything about the VDB points to them trying to facilitate an AI apocalypse. I could see siding with them the first time around out of ignorance for what they were doing. It's easy to dismiss the NetWatch Agent in the Mall as just trying to save his own skin. But after Placide tries nuking your head you pretty much have no reason not to genocide them after meeting Alt.

>>717382469
ah i know the area you're talking about. i think one of the delamain missions takes you through there

>>717366716 (OP)
I felt bad for her.
The game has no player choice whatsoever so there is only one ending for her.

first playthrough I picked the devil ending

>>717384150
Why? Why would you do that? Why would anybody do that?

>>717384150
I picked the suicide one unironically. Seemed like the best solution

>>717376393
i'd fucking kill to have carl in V's head instead of keanu

>>717384483
i was planning on doing that but i wanted to see how the game ended

>>717376393

Never met the guy, but from everything I've read or heard anecdotally, he's really down to earth and a somewhat reserved person, but always welcoming and accepting of attention from fans out in public. A far cry from a acclaimed thespian, but a solid action star with a good work ethic and all around a pretty decent dude.

>>717381330

Playing up the archetype of a cocky bad boy with a devil-may-care attitude is actually pretty easy, since being over the top and edgy only serves to enhance the portrayal.
You can absolutely tell that he was having a blast and wearing a shit eating grin while recording some of Johnny's more crass quips and banters.
Conversely, when the mask falls off during more dramatic or sincere dialogue or comments, it only exemplifies that Keanu struggles with displaying emotional depth and letting the weight of the character's weakness come through in his voice.

I think Keanu did a pretty decent run with Johnny, but I doubt many would argue that star power had a bigger part to play in his casting than actual skill. There are definitely other VAs who could have done a much better job.

>>717384303
>Nyooooooo you can't side with the corpos... Because ok?!
>They hekkin betray you arbitrarily even though if you reject the offer haniko wants to hire you as her personal Adam Smasher even though you're dieing to death

"Selling your soul" having instant direct consequences is cringe fairytale morality for babies and plebbitors. (You) Should have been smart enough to understand the self betrayal of siding with arisaka and getting everything you wanted as long as you're as loyal/subservient as takimura or oda or smasher.

>>717378953
he is lying to you and you are reliving his memories through his POV but the nuke did go off and he did level arasaka tower.

>>717384846
I agree with the general take (though the actor having a hard time with emotional depth fits Silverhand to T, so it works), but also: I think it's also one of his best performances ever.
After Johnny Mnemonic, that must count for something.

>>717366716 (OP)
I did, she just killed herself since Judy is such a shit care taker.

>>717385247
>Option A: become literal property of the corporation that has tried to kill you a million times and live a bit longer in this prison hell you signed up for
>Option B: ride out into the desert on a tank with Panam's beautiful ass to live happily with what time I have left
Well I know which option I'm picking. You can give me cancer right now if it means I die with a big booty latina in Arizona/Mexico.

>>717383046
Didn't trust the VDBs from the jump. Placide is not a good person to act as the face of your crew when you need an outsider.

Personal take on the game: you're not playing things as they enfold, you're playing the archived engram memories of V, probably edited a bit to make things a lot more heroic. Like Silverhand, you're stuck on repeat, relieving reconstructed variations of the events forever, but whoever made the engram in the end was sympathetic enough toward V to grant some respite.
Would explain a lot of things, among which the messages when you try to leave Night City.

Niggas in this thread were actually scared of the alien isolation portion of the dlc btw

>>717386445
>Option A
>Fuck your mulatto gf while not dead while working for arisaka (again, possibly) as high profile borged out motherfucker because you have value to the machine (but at what cost)
>Option B
>Johnny gets his ass out of cyberpunk giga favella 9000 Mexico after you shit yourself to ego death, spicripper being able to do less than shit for you. Panam has one of her several canonical other ending crashouts as consequences converge because no happy endings bro

They thought you specifically would be utterly unable to grasp an actual story being told through choice if they didn't be as heavy handed as possible about what endings are le good in the base game and dlc.

>>717386445
She's probably not even a great lay, dude. Selfish women never are.

>>717387057
Yeah but you know the sex is stinky

>>717386445
>Latina
I thought she was Inuit

>>717366716 (OP)
Because she was a dyke whore. I only replay those missions for "death and taxes" since I main pistols.

>>717387608
The Mox pistol is 10/10

>>717367496
Nah man "death and taxes" is worth waiting to leave her on read. Basically a double tap desert eagle though it is neon purple.

>>717368196
You fool you didn't catch the whole female V being the canon choice. The whole game is about making Johnny a tranny. Nothing else matter you will castrate the terrorist who dared to go against the corporation.

>>717387608
>dyke
She literally fucked half the men in night city

>>717370263
Fag

>>717366716 (OP)
I did, then she killed herself.

>>717370513
This nigga didn't pay attention

>>717372269
Your headcanon is retarded. You chose to be a nobody below average

>>717372429
Am I the only person that sees this as being the plan from the beginning? He stole the chip knowing his father would come for it. Evelyn knew about the chip without the people that hired her to record the braindance telling her about it. Atom smasher looks right at you behind the wall because he knows you're there. You think if we can see people through walls that fucking cyborg can't? He knew the plot. Yorinobi was the real mastermind behind the heist.
>>717372578
The relic that was stolen wasn't his key to immortality either. Johnny had been dead and copied over 50 years earlier. That was a 50 year old engram that just happened to be on the prototype? No he stole the man that tried killing his company, and proof that this tech had been around for half a century. The same tech they were selling as a breakthrough for talking to your love ones. He knew his father would personally come for it because it's that secret. The heist was his way of using us as a scapegoat and getting the family company uncontested with his older brother the rightful successor already dead.

>>717388115
The Doll chip literally makes them dissociate so they're not there during the whoring(it's an AI). Did you even pay attention during the game?

>>717386281
Oh Silverhand as a character absolutely fits that bill. An iceberg of bravado and overconfidence that conceals a massive depth of insecurity beneath the surface, with the added burden as a psyche of a man brought back to 'consciousness' and being forced into the knowledge that he died like a bitch riding the coattails of real warriors, spit in the face of basically everyone who ever gave him their trust, saved nobody, had his corpse desecrated and his brain catalogued like a rolodex by the very entity he gave his life fighting, and his legacy was to be tossed in a trash heap for the vultures and forgotten as little more than a fairytale hero for mercs and a terrorist that took up no more than two sentences of text in the book of Arasaka's dynasty.

But Keanu doesn't show that struggle of a man unwilling to admit to that. His struggle is in showing that struggle in the first place. His cadence and tone just feel... off to me. Like he's just line reading with what he believes is his best 'depressed' voice. When you sit with Johnny in the aforementioned trash heap and he finally starts to show some genuine emotion and willingness to change, I spent the next few hours of questing waiting for the other boot to drop because it just came across like all the other times that Johnny hit us with the "ayy relax guy I've got your back" before once again proving he's a self-centered piece of shit.

I do agree with your last statement; I feel like he has only been improving with age. I know he isn't one to turn his nose up at a lot of roles (fucking Shadow the Hedgehog?), but I genuinely would like to see Keanu get some roles, film or otherwise, that allow him to flex a bit outside of what he is known for and see what new heights he could reach.

>>717389312
>The relic that was stolen wasn't his key to immortality either
>breakthrough for talking to your love ones. He knew his father would personally come for it because it's that secret
nigger did you even play the fucking game?
they had the latter thing up on the fucking BILLBOARDS as "secure your soul"
the REAL secret was the later prototype of the relic YOU steal, which is different.
Hellman fucking explains this to you.
Its designed to hijack a body without a mind and over write it with the engram, bringing the engram to life.
Saburo has a copy of himself in an engram already and that relic is the prototype to test bringing that engram to life!
Did you never look at "The Devil" ending?
Did you never pay attention to what hellman told you in the sunset motel?

The true immortality of the revised relic using the nanobots to overwrite the brain of an organic body is WAY more than the Secure your soul program that let you electronically talk to the dead.

>>717366716 (OP)
Slightly longer bangs and she would have been 10 times hotter

A FEW MILLIMETERS OF HAIR

>>717370680
And to be fair, the game even hints, and sometimes even outright states, that Dex had a dodgy past but somehow managed to come out with his reputation more intact than it probably should have.
The fallout of the failed heist and Dex zero'ing V was an obvious outcome if you weren't a naive low level merc looking for your chance to make a name for yourself.
The red flags were there, but V and Jackie couldn't see them with their eyes full of dollar signs.

>>717390164
As much as I respect Keanu as a person he's kinda a dogshit actor. His monotone delivery of 99% of his lines really started to annoy, especially as the character of Silverhand grew on me throughout the game.

I hope fucking shitskin edgerunnerfags spammers get burn in eternal hellfire

>>717390469
While true as written, the fact saburo soul kills and body jacks his son after having a full mind scrape engram made you talk to in that ending and your specific prototype chip in your head never, ever coming up at all as important dilutes that. By a lot.

It's actually really stupid than the devil's ending has saburo reveal that proprietary tech instead of just pretending to be his son for another X00 years after using said tech. Finesse of a sledgehammer to force a "arisaka winning" version of the timeline/future corporate war else world ending.

>>717391237
>your specific prototype chip in your head never, ever coming up at all as important
are you fucking retarded????
nigger listen to your own words right here
>>717389312
>He knew his father would personally come for it because it's that secret
THAT is the importance of your relic. THAT is the secret Saburo came for.
Hellman's shit that HE fled Araska with doesn't even come close.
He has "secure your soul"
You have the keys to immortality by putting that "soul" back into a body where it can live and grow again.
They can make other prototypes and shove the same or different engrams in it as they please for testing.
You have the SECRET to it in your fucking skull.

>>717378953
He is for sure an unreliable narrator, but CDPR played it smart by never blatantly calling attention to the falsehoods. Alt simply pointed out the truth that memories are an extremely unreliable source of truth and V had just never stopped to consider that. He just accepted what Johnny's mind presented (or omitted) as fact.
Some might see it as a ham-fisted attempt to cover for unintentionally changing the canon story from the ttrpg, but I like to think that the writers did it as a way to connect newcomers who enjoyed the game world with longtime fans of the Cyberpunk universe that would inevitably take to their forum of choice to point out Johnny's fantastical, self-centered take on events.

>>717366716 (OP)
>has multiple woman moments before, during, and after the heist plot
You can't save a woman from herself

>>717391540
It's important it doesn't get sold to nightcorp, not that it specifically is the super macguffin you apparently think it is. Did you even actually R E A D any of the dialogue that was in Japanese?

This game would have been at least 73% better if they somehow licensed the music for every mission in the game that is named after a song and had that song play in that mission.

Or at least license Don't Fear the Reaper for the final suicide mission, I mean cmon.

>>717392425
>sold to nightcorp
nigger NO one was selling it to nightcorp.
Yorinobu was gonna sell it to NETWATCH, as was Evelyn.
Hellman was gonna sell to KANG TAO.
Hell, Yorinobu only put Johnny on the chip to fuck with his dad and lure him out.

You didn't fucking play the game is what happened.

>>717392663
>Y...y...you said nightcorp not net watch!
You still didn't read any of their conversation where they explain their entire ideological schism in explicit detail.

The chip doesn't "matter," the tech is in production by the end of the game on the devil's ending (probably all endings). You don't find it at all curious that your chip doesn't come up relating to it's value to arisaka in developing consciousness transfer even once in the entirety of act 2 or 3?

>>717393159
>can't even get who was selling to whom right
>expects me to think I missed something when this bumblefuck can't even remember the names
no, what happened is that YOU didn't play or don't remember shit and are bitching about it.
Why the fuck would Arasaka clue you in about their BIGGEST secret, resurrecting Yorinobu, to YOU?
You are a retard.
That secret is NEVER explicitly told to you for a damn good reason, and you only find it out by putting together hints and/or seeing the Devil ending.
You expecting the uptight bitch Hanako to bow down and proclaim
>"ooooohhh great and glorious thief! pureeeese ret us teru you about the true value of what you have stolen from us!"
Shut the fuck up.
You are an incredibly useful pawn to be kept alive for use against Yorinobu, which is why Hanako's faction and Takemura doesn't kill you.
That was shoved in your face RIGHT from the beginning.

>>717393159
>the tech is in production by the end of the game on the devil's ending
I missed this.
How fucking stupid ARE you?
The relic is not in "production" because its not a product to be sold.
Secure your soul is ALREADY in production at the START of the game and that is a SEPARATE thing, idiot.
You hold a secret tech used to resurrect yorinobu that was already working, and they called it a prototype to hide what it fucking was.

>>717392425
It's not about some black market hustle to NightCorp or NetWatch or whoever the corpo boogeyman of the week is, it's about what the actual relic represents within Arasaka's internal power struggle. It’s not just tech-it’s political ammunition. That chip in V’s head isn’t just another prototype, it’s the culmination of Saburo’s dream of synthetic reincarnation. The "Secure your Soul" program was public-facing, yeah, but the relic you swipe in Konpeki is the keystone for making that PR fluff a brutal reality.

And no shit half the threads in the Devil ending are in Japanese-they didn’t subtitle key lines for "immersion", not because those lines don’t matter. Hanako and the old guard literally bury stuff they don’t want V to understand, because V was never meant to know the full scope, just play their role. You're basically a corpse-hauler that walked off with an ancient god in your brain. Nothing is a coincidence. Try thinking beyond what the quest marker told you and it’s all there if you actually watched the scenery instead of fast-traveling past it.