Thread 717368505

Starfield is SAVED! Bethesda is adding Interplanetary Travel!

https://imgur.com/a/fQwXSLi

Does it fix the terrible story?
Does it fix the boring characters?
Does it fix the shallow combat?
Does it fix the awful quests?
No? Then Starfield is NOT saved

>>717368505 (OP)
>Starfield
>saved
Not even modding could save it from it's shitty story, bland procgen, and lack of soul. Pajeets will ruin TES6 as well.

>>717368505 (OP)
I imagine this ads 20 new loading screens as well

>>717368505 (OP)

Wait, they'll let us actually drive to another planet?
That seems like something way too big to add.

>>717369335
it's "adds", you dumbass.

>>717368505 (OP)
How is this game not a technical complete downgrade from No Man Sky?

>>717368505 (OP)
what the fuck does that even mean? is it going to be seamless?

>>717369615
It's probably not what you expect. Right now you can travel between star systems without using the map, so basically they could add a way to select a planet from the cockpit and turn on cruise-mode aka "autopilot" that just simulates the flight from one planet to another. Planets still won't be 30 objects that you could fly around.

I hope they will rebalance the entire game as well. All the systems need some sort of connective tissue.

>>717369957
>Right now you can travel between star systems without using the map

They added that recently? I remember back on release people would even spend hours trying to reach a planet only to bug the game and only see the png of the planet on their screen

>>717368505 (OP)
I'll buy it when it's at 70-90% discount.

I wanted the ability to fly around a planet, not wasting like 20 minutes flying from one to the other!

Bethesda cannot be saved as long as emil plagiacci is the lead writer. I so hoped it would be the next Mass effect, but once again I was disappointed.

>>717368741
They really thought that modders will put in their own content on the hundreds of barren planets, put them on creation club and everyone sacks in money. Sounds like a genius plan, but ultimately the foundation is just so ultra mid that people ultimately lost interest. Emil the writer is a massive factor on why the game is so fucking bland. The fucking community patch team on nexus abandoned the project because the modders just can't be bothered. Pathetic.

>>717369735
Todd Howard really thought he could release a half-assed version of a No Man's Sky 10 years later and nobody would notice. The technology and innovation in Starfield is just unbelievably embarrassing. Nothing reaches the industry standard.

>>717370339
I believe a game like originally envisioned could have worked but downsized to a few systems and not totally procgen with some interesting handcrafted landing zones along with competent writers, we'll probably never see anything like that that would actually be good though.

reddit tier writing

>>717369735
>>717370793
No Man's Sky is decent nowadays, but it's still VERY fucking grindy, boring and empty.
In comparison Elite Dangerous is a masterpiece.

>>717370339
>They really thought that modders will put in their own content on the hundreds of barren planets
Modders probably would do this for TES or Fallout, but Starfield is just dogshit, uninspiring universe. This is what Bethesda produces when they don’t have already established world created by real writers.

>>717370889
more like physics illiterate writing
even reddit is not that clueless about astrophysics

>>717370032
Traveling between star systems using the targeting system from the cockpit has been there since launch.

>>717370889
the whole game felt like it was written by a 50 year old dude. Literally, in every line of dialogue, you can almost picture Emil just smirking as he writes it.

>>717368505 (OP)
Think how kino TES6 could have been if they didnt waste their time on this garbage and Fallout 4/76

Bethesda couldn't even stick to their "Nasa-punk" aesthetic. They had to add a "chosen-one", magic, and space cowboys.

>>717371023
> Using the targeting system

That was never manual. It's basically autopilot loading screen shit.

>>717372153
Yes. That's exactly what I stated.

>>717370908
I was explicitly talking about the engine performance though.
Even if No Man Sky is 100% procedurally generated, I guess their engine would be able to have assets placed by developers, just like Shartfield.

>>717371179
anon, use your brain.
>their newest game was shit
>their game before that was shit
>their game before that was shit
>I SURE AM EXCITED FOR THEIR UPCOMING GAME!

>>717368619
>Does it fix the terrible story?
>Does it fix the boring characters?
>Does it fix the shallow combat?
>Does it fix the awful quests?
All of these were issues in every TES & Fallout game as well.

>>717368505 (OP)
This game did irreparable damage to TES6 hype. It's so bad it makes Skyrim look like a masterpiece in comparison.

>>717373820
starfield is unironically better than skyrim though

>>717370339
I genuinely think that their plan would have worked, if the setting itself was even a little bit interesting, but it is the blandest, most generic fucking scifi I've ever encountered. If I imagined what some nepobaby californian libshit would imagine to be interesting science fiction, it would be basically the slop of starfield.

There is fucking nothing in the setting that isn't just surface level shit. It is all a facade, there are no interesting conflicts, no real narrative hooks, the setting is only an empty and boring windowdressing for mid at best combat and nonexistent "exploration".

>>717369735
>NMS
>a million updates to fix 8 year old shit content
>procgen ugly aliens
>somehow uglier not-procgen aliens
>planets look like something emptied out their trash bin all over them
>barren worlds still have the same 3 plants so you can never fail
Nothing can be a downgrade to NMS. Tried it after Starfield and it was somehow fucking worse. Most overrated "comeback" in history.

>>717373820
>This game did irreparable damage to TES6 hype
Good. Maybe more bethdrones will wake the fuck up and realize Bethesda hasn't made a good game since Morrowind. And even that is kind of arguable.

>>717373191
ok retard
have it your way
i dont GIVE A FUCK

>>717368505 (OP)
Wait what does that even mean
It's literally a space game where you explore planets what does the headline mean

>>717368619
What if… I said… Yes?

>>717368505 (OP)
>Oh boy, now I can manually fly in space for 5 minutes to avoid a 5 second loading screen.

>>717373191
NTA but NMS isn't advanced in any way. It's shitty looking assets with no depth and even at max settings you're watching that shit load in poorly. Creatures? Less AI and barely functional. Ships? Worse than Starfield. Planetary movement? Worse than Starfield. Combat? Worse than Starfield? Story? Somehow fucking worse than Starfield. I have to resist going on a rant about fucking Artemis, the intro missions or how the most fascinating lore the fanbase can bring up is the little jew aliens used to be assholes.

>>717374376
To me, the worst part is there is a skeleton of interesting things in there.
I don't need aliens in my scifi to be hooked. But the fact that even the pirates vs space navy conflict essentially boils down to fast travelling between a space station and a big ship in order to talk to some bland NPCs who tell you to go to a third location for some busywork is why the game is bland. The fact that the super libertarian offshore oilrig neon city is just like... one night club with some gay ass suited dancers and nothing else particularly interesting going on. The space cowboy settlement which is like 20 houses (an upgrade from Skyrim's capital city, to be fair). Nothing has personality. Nothing has conflict. Even the space cowboys and drug smugglers come across as just as bland as the intentionally bland "megacity".

But because of Starfield, now I want a real space RPG with a similar spaceship building system, where you can walk around inside the finished product. That was the sole good thing about the game.

>>717375171
This.
When the game came out people were screaming why traveling and landing wasn't like NMS, ED or SC. Then someone posted a comparison video of how long that shit takes in each game and how boring it is. Suddenly no one brings it up. This is what happens when no one plays any of these fucking shitty space games but see some retarded trailer and think that's the game.

>>717375018
It appears to mean you can now use your spaceship to go to another planet in the same planetary system. Instead of bumping into an invisible wall if you go outside the designated orbit box you go to when you leave a planet.

They should add more points of interest in space then.

>>717375330
I do. I still think it would improve Starfield.
The point is engagement.
Flying and landing in ED and NMS at least makes you feel like you're piloting a spaceship instead of a fast travel machine.
The point was never to make you do it every time, but make it something you do when you want to. You know, do some roleplaying in the roleplaying game.

>>717375362
You never bumped into an invisible wall, you could always fly between planets theoretically, it's just that they have realistic distances between them and only space ships when you fast travel.

>>717375512
Space ships*
That's why there are working mods for fast travel and space walking.

>>717375512
What the fuck are you talking about? Did you even play the fucking game?
The guys who "flew to other planets" in Starfield had to mod out the invisible wall, then they flew to the skybox version of the other planet, which is just a fucking png image floating in the void a million miles away. Its no different than going out of bounds in Skyrim.

>>717375496
It would be nice but its not the drastic improvement anyone is implying it would be. It kills me that games forcing you to do it all the time and waste your time don't get any shit for it. But hey I think this will finally shut people up as they immediately realize they don't want to do it a thousand times like they swore they wanted to.

another day, another episode of bethesda spinning a half-assed patch with basic content that should have been in the original design docs as gamechanging innovation.
they need to tear everything, EVERYTHING out, and start again from scratch. the morrowind engine they keep duct-taping together can't do all of this stuff. it's just hilarious to see a dev of this scale flounder with concepts that should have been core DNA of the endeavor. like. it's a space travel game...there should be...i dunno... space travel in it???

you guys heard of that Star Wars total conversion?

>>717375681
I still actively play ED and I like landing and takeoff.
There's a lot of problems with Starfield. The writing and barrenness of everything is probably the biggest and won't be fixed ever. But the fact that in 2023 they couldn't manage seamless take off and landing, or a between planet supercruise like ED, was at least part of what led to its poor reception.

>>717368505 (OP)
Too little too late, game has been out long enough for people to make up their minds then watch a dozen retrospectives on top of it. Won't fix >>717368619. There are no substantial mods being created, there's no interest for the DLCs, it's ogre

>>717373390
TES had the cool already established lore/world and Soule's music. Starfield has neither. The Settled Systems is a boring place, nobody wants to roleplay in it

>717373868 (You)

>>717373390
Not in Fallout 1, 2 and New Vegas lmao.

>>717375990
Holy cope
None of those games are good
Fallout as a whole franchise will never be good

Come back when all of the -ologies aren't just point-and-click collect-a-thons.
Come back when fuel is reimplemented into the base game.
Come back when your landing site becomes more like a base camp, and less like a parking spot.

I'm just waiting for the dust/frost mod for starfield. It's already being worked on after all.

>>717375245
>To me, the worst part is there is a skeleton of interesting things in there.

Agreed. The most interesting part of the game's premise for me at least, is the whole "humanity had to scramble off from earth due to earth losing it's atmosphere" or whatever the fuck excuse they made to make earth uninhabited. However instead of actually exploring the implications of this sort of, basically fucking total extinction event of the entire planet, that humanity apparently barely managed to escape, the game does fucking nothing with it.

You could build an entire scifi game on that premise alone, even if you just confined it to the solar system itself. There is tons of interesting narrative potential one could include in a setting where humanity has lost it's homeworld but instead bethesda just has humans basically operate like nothing has changed, and now they just have themepark cities on a couple of planets, with apparently zero industrial bases anywhere, despite there being tons of space ships etc.

>>717375903
Considering the time ED drains to do basic shit and land on disappointing planets with even more disappointing interactions with shit like quasar, think I'm good. That's not even considering the shit grind of the game and shittier devs

>>717376404
>you could build an entire scifi game on that premise alone, even if you just confined it to the solar system itself
Eclipse Phase is basically my dream setting (if you strip out the commie and anarchist sympathies). And its exactly this premise.

>>717368505 (OP)
did they remove the stupid space magic?

>>717375654
No, you don't mod out the invisible wall because there is no wall in space. You just have to mod the speed. I did it myself via the console

>>717368505 (OP)
Are there still ugly brown people? Yes?

>>717371148
I still can't believe "starborn" was greenlit. If that doesn't make Emil a hack I don't know what will.

>>717368619
It can't be fixed. It is a fundamentally soulless game. Like Anthem.
Only a full blown remake can "save" this, but then it'd be a different game.
It is baffling that Bethesda is still working on this slop. Nobody wants this shit. Just let it die already.
You know what they could do? Skyrim expansion packs. Fallout 4 expansion packs. These could actually generate hype and keep people engaged in Bethesda games until the next Elder Scrolls/Fallout. That they're working on slopfield instead is actual insanity.

>>717368619
>Does it fix the terrible story?
It's fine, certainly better than the story in fallout 3 & 4.

>Does it fix the boring characters?
They're not great, not terrible. But you can add different characters with mods

>Does it fix the shallow combat?
Objectively the best combat in any bethesda game ever made

>Does it fix the awful quests?
No

>All that time and money wasted on Starfield when Bethesda could be making Skyrim 2 or Fallout 5

Why was Starfield even made in the first place?

>>717377189
>You know what they could do? Skyrim expansion packs
It's incredibly funny to know they could've released a dozen Dawnguards over the years and made bank with them all. Instead they decided to create the fucking Creation Club. Wild.
https://youtu.be/CoTp89sqeSg?t=6

>>717377687
Because Microsoft wanted a new Freelancer

>>717377687
>skyrim 2

>>717368505 (OP)
Still the worst setting in an open world RPG yet

>>717378517
Not when Outer Worlds exists

>>717370993
Anon, reddit thinks dark matter and dark energy are real even after nasal themselves proved it doesn't exist. Reddit is full of low IQ genetic trash

>>717377687
>Why was Starfield even made in the first place?

Because there hasn't been a good space RPG?

>>717376965
yeah, it's telling that not a single person on the writing team had the balls to say "hold on Emil, Starborn is just fucking stupid".

is skyrim their emergency glass whenever they make a shit game? i swear to god we're gonna see another fallout or TES game bomb and they'll just go "skyrim for new console featuring DLSS/RTX//whatever!" and it'll nullify the fuckup lmao

>>717368619
You can't fix a game that was never meant to exist in the first place.

>>717370339
i honestly would be down to mod starfield, but apparently it's absurdly hard to do so with their new engine. it's nothing like before.

>>717378780
>reddit thinks dark matter and dark energy are real even after reddit thinks dark matter and dark energy are real even
>after nasal themselves proved it doesn't exist

>>717379051
Oblivion showed that people will buy anything as long as it's shiny.
They're going too use the filthy pajeet AI upscale on Fallout 3 or God forbid, New Vegas.

>>717379010
Freelancer

>>717368505 (OP)
That's right piggies. Keep giving them money for doing the bare minimum. Also you know the next Elder Scrolls, if it ever comes out, will just be this game.

>>717368505 (OP)
Just because it’s a space game doesn’t mean it can have a No Man’s Sky redemption arc.

>>717379270
TES6 will be far, far worse you retard.
Entirely AI generated and never touched by a human hand, only Indians.

>>717368505 (OP)
Nobody cares trash game

>>717379270
TES6 has the advantage of being actually within Bethesda's wheelhouse.
A game where you get a quest and while on the walk to it, go "oh shiny!" at some random landmark on the way and you wander over and go "oh what clever environmental storytelling! A skeleton on the shitter!" and basedface. And also you can pick up random clutter and fill your house with it.
Thats all Bethesda games are. Any complaints about writing or combat are subsidiary. Starfield lacked the wandering around and organic POI exploration, which is core to making a Bethesda game.

>>717379641
>saying this in a thread full of people discussing it
midwit

>>717368505 (OP)
Too little, too late.

starfield? more like starFART amirite lads? ahahaha oh man

It's time for Todd to apologize to everyone and step down from his position.

>>717377687
It was Todd Howard's dream project but covid fucked it and they just scrambled with what they had.

>>717375654
>mod out the invisible wall, then they flew to the skybox version of the other planet, which is just a fucking png image floating in the void
if you don't know what you're talking about you could always just not post.

will they add any interesting loot? one of the gravest sins of the game is that its a loot based RPG with zero interesting loot

>>717368505 (OP)
The engoodening of Starfield...

>>717369735
It is.God I remember pirating it and still felt I lost money

>>717381018
Kek same and ive never experienced that with a game before
had just enough of a hook for 24hrs of playtime and i just lost all interest

>>717379978
>covid fucked it
Them not having a clear vision fucked it. The name was trademarked in 2013, active development was ongoing since 2015 and the game was in production since mid-2018. Even if you want to give them the benefit of the doubt and subtract the COVID year, that's still 4 years of full development. It doesn't feel like it. Todd confessed the game didn't "feel fun" until a year before release. For some unexplainable reason they wanted to make a space game but didn't have any specific mechanics in mind so they threw shit at the wall to see what would stick for five years then rushed out a final product in the last 12 months of development. Seen from that point of view, it explains so much. It also explains why Todd has said repeteadly that he never imagined TES6 taking as long as it's taking: Fallout 4 was meant to release in 2014 instead of 2015, and Starfield was meant to have a normal dev cycle of 3~4 years. Meanwhile, with F76 being multiplayer slop most people see as being developed by the B-Team (even when it is seen by Todd as a main project he worked on, and it took considerable resources and time dedication from the A-Team to both build and fix) the reality of the situation is that from a player's point of view, there was eight years of absolute nothing between Fallout 4 in 2015 and Starfield in 2023. It's been fourteen years and there's still no TES6. It's beyond fucked.

>>717368619
Nothing can save it because it is a game that simply fails at everything it tries. Normally I could find something good to say about even the worst games but Starfield I can't.
Everything is shit, the story, the characters, the items, the weapons, the side quests, the settlements, the planets, the enemies, the base building, the ship building, the ship combat.
I can't even stand the aesthetic, I hate the "nasa-punk" look they went for that infests almost everything.

Even fallout 4 which I consider a big downgrade from previous games still has enough for me to kind of squeeze some fun out of it and a bit more with mods but Starfield there is nothing. I legitimately will doze off while trying to play Starfield.
>Land on random planet, run 5 minutes, Enter generic copypaste officebuilding i've seen before, kill generic faceless goons with generic RNG randomized mmo style weapon I picked up that has random ability that makes no sense, that takes about 5 minutes, then spend the next 2 hours making 4 trips walking back to my ship hauling all the garbage generic loot so I can scrap it for materials (I also have to fly back from the planet with my base a couple times since my ship can't even carry all the trash), then after that absolute slog I use all the crap I found to expand my base or my ship (neither of which I actually look forward to because the aesthetic looks like shit to me and I don't need any of it to beat the game. In fact the only upgrade I really care about is the ability to carry/store more trash so I can be done sooner)

>>717368505 (OP)
Game will still be shit doe

I don't know why but i swear i hated Starfield when i played it, super long loading screens every 2 seconds, boring combat, bad ai, everyone hideous, boring quests, boring main quest, awful companions, no roleplaying.

Yet now i look back and i miss the game so bad and i remember it as good for some reason

Did Todd put a spell on me? My PC couldn't even run it and i installed it on HDD instead of SSD so it ran at 20 fps the whole 100 hours i played it.

>>717368505 (OP)
yeah i'm not downloading a 120GB game

>>717368505 (OP)
Okay but can you ride the train yet

>>717370889
space is hot
space is HOT not COLD if you put it in the vaccuum of space it would OVERHEAT because THE HEAT WOULD HAVE NOWHERE TO GO

>>717383690
Skill issue

>>717376768
All I could think about during my single playthrough of slopfield was how great an eclipse phase total conversion could be

Modders abandoned this game so it's dead to me.

>>717368505 (OP)
fuck that, how about adding truly seamless planetary travel, as in no invisible walls between chunks and I get to actually land my ship? That would elevate it bigly imo.

That's nice and all OP, but it's still a scam game made by scammers from a scammer company, and it's shit no matter how much garbage is added.
If you have, how long was it, over 10 fucking years? Over 10 years, and hundreds of workers, and still produce something that's on the same level as SpaceBourne 2, if not even worse, which is developed by one half-brained bloke; you need to fucking kill yourself. You need to mass suicide. You also need to mass suicide for low standards OP, and by mass I mean kill your own family beforehand for being dumb subhumans who passed down their garbage genetics to you, and then yourself you stupid pitiful faggot.

>>717368505 (OP)
sorry i'm retarded but what is "Interplanetary Travel"? i played it at lunch years ago so maybe i don't remember correctly but i'm pretty sure you could travel between planets

>>717368505 (OP)
>no flying and landing in atmosphere
>no entering and exiting orbit
>ancient and undiscovered temples are a short walk away from civilization
>planets serving no purpose besides being riddled with copy and paste POIs

>>717385410
>no flying and landing in atmosphere
>no entering and exiting orbit
these are the same

>>717385823
Wrong. They could have allowed you to fly in atmosphere while still using a menu system plus canned animation to leave a planet. They could have had you fly in space and use a menu system to enter atmosphere from orbit. Even if they had one of these features, I can still imagine their laziness in implementing them.

>>717368505 (OP)
cool now I'm gonna play oblivion

Starfield-chan...

>>717368619
fpbp

starfield is sort of a worse bethesda fallout
idk what i was expecting when i bought it lmao

>>717384176
I'm more of an underspace guy instead of spacebourne 2

>>717386574
It and Fallout London remind me of each other a lot in that they're both kind of uninspired and boring. At least with London there's some stuff to explore.

>>717368505 (OP)
Now you retarded fucks can sit there and watch what is essentially a wallpaper for 15 minutes

>>717379978
No way you can blame Covid solely for that shitheap

>>717368619
>bethesdaslop
>muh story
>muh characters
Come on now.

>>717386680
Underspace I respect, it tries something different unlike these soulless wannabe simulators. Cosmic horror is a great angle to build, I think X3 Terran Conflict, or one of those games at least in the series, had a little play like that with a surprise for the player, and it should have been expanded upon in a spin-off series. But this does the job more than well.

why does anyone need to talk about bethesda or starfield in 2025
they made numerous increasingly flawed and retarded games compared to rest of the industry

Genuine question to the people in this thread: Do you feel retarded for purchasing this game?

Like, do you regret giving Bethesda money for a game that anyone with a single brain cell knew would turn out to be dogshit from a mile away?

What makes you part with your money so easily?

>>717389545
To be fair I like all other Besthesdaslop and figured there's no conceivable way I wouldn't like Starfield. Then I realize every dungeon is 90% the same and there was zero actual exploration to speak of.

Just play Elite Dangerous

>>717389545
I really like it and I'm thinking about starting another save
I need to some way to change up the loot system again though.

>>717375330
Traveling and landing isn't boring in ED though

>>717389769
Not the same.

>>717370908
>In comparison Elite Dangerous is a masterpiece.
All three people still playing agree with you

>>717369672
Buy an add

The loading screens have to go. It's an excel table simulation

>>717389545
TES and Fallout were always guilty pleasures in that I got some fun of out them even if they were a bit shit. And then a bit more fun with some mods.

This was the first time I got outright scammed though. This game is a disaster it feels like a case of one person saying "I want this!" and everyone else being forced to do it. Its the bare minimum in order to create what could be called a video game, with none of the janky but solid soul that every other Bethesda game has. Even FO4 has some good characters and good quest lines, Starfield has literally 0, not one faction or quest is anything but a fetch quest with shit dialogue and one dimensional characters.

>>717390594
https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/2718

the foundation is broken. It can't carry their games anymore

>>717389545
I got it for the same reason I got butterlord, the base game is just a bonus for a total conversion mod that will take a whole month out of my life few years after the release.
Also it was really funny watching retards that clearly never touched the game cry about non existent loading screens and similar non issues while all the actual issues were never mentioned, still it's by far the best game Bethesda ever made, not a high bar but still.

>>717390925
kek

>>717368505 (OP)
who gives a shit

>>717391030
What I gathered through osmosis on internets people seem to think the 1 golden thing carrying bethesda games is each trash item being individually modeled and movable and their location is stored into your save file.
So people who like trash care a lot.

>>717386680
It's a better comparison since it's done by a bethesda guy

>>717368505 (OP)
I mostly just wan't a kenshi like total overhaul where you are stranded on a desert planet where you can either enslave people and/or be enslaved while also having heavy sci-fi elements

>>717390312
ED is entirely boring.

>>717392057
>I mostly just wan't a kenshi like total overhaul where you are stranded on a desert planet where you can either enslave people and/or be enslaved while also having heavy sci-fi elements
They could've had a great intro by crash landing you on the first planet with limited resources, hostile environment and the requirement of trying to either find or repair a ship to escape while learning about the planet you are stuck on. They even could've worked in the shitty artifact stuff there.

Instead you get dropped off as a miner with boring office like culture then immediately transferred to the guys who boss you around for the main quest.

So many cool things you could do in a space scifi setting but the writers just squandered it with boring mundane shit. Really makes you wonder what the fuck they were thinking.

still playing skyrim/oblivion/fnv/morrowind as my "bethesda game" multi-year rotation, looks like it's going to be that way for the rest of my life

>>717389545
I've enjoyed pretty much every Bethesda game desu. My least favorite is FO4 which I felt suffered from its settlement system and its attempts to force radiant quests into everything. But still, even that I enjoyed for like 100 hours.
Also, as someone who played E:D a lot (in VR), there is no way Starfield is worse than it. It has its flaws for sure, but mostly tspace games are just too large in scope to make to people's expectations.

>>717392969
Space games 20 years ago got everything right and it's been downhill since.

>>717393018
It's lunacy how Bethesda just had to copy this and make the station/planet portions play like their usual shit and it'd been so much better.

>>717375330
What people really wanted is to be able to fly around look for cool shit from the air and then land there. Like if I see a lake from space I want to be able to fly my ship all the way down to the shore and take a look. Being able to look for POIs this way would be nice too.
Of course it will still ultimately be pointless because there is nothing interesting to actually find or explore in starfield this is also why people stopped bringing it up. It's an empty nothing world with lazy copies of the same shit everywhere you, get more unique procedurally generated worlds in a lot of indie survival crafting games.

>>717391341
>What I gathered through osmosis on internets people seem to think the 1 golden thing carrying bethesda games is each trash item being individually modeled and movable and their location is stored into your save file.
>So people who like trash care a lot.
That was impressive 20 years ago when everything in games was static and fixed. Today we have games that have fully destructible environments and allow you to build entire cities while saving every detail of every piece of grass you cut, so by modern standards no it is not that impressive.
That is one of their biggest problems, they've rested on their laurels and are no longer doing anything innovative. It was amazing back in Morrowind but I don't know that they've actually improved anything other than graphics since then, meanwhile the rest of the world has caught up. Even the base building in starfield still has tight range and size restrictions like something out of a ps2 game.
The only "innovative" I can think of that they did in starfield is using chatgpt for their dialog and they did that in the most half-ass lazy way possible to the point it made the game even worse.

>>717390312
>Traveling and landing isn't boring in ED though
Its padding. Getting from point A to point B is 99% of the game and mostly black void with white speckles. Its worse than a loading screen

>>717390524
ook ook OOK OOK OOOOK

Who the fuck thought "NASApunk" was a good theme to begin with? Even the name alone sounds retarded.

>>717368505 (OP)
Well it's interesting they haven't given up on the game but the core game is still pretty bad though.

>>717389545
Based on what I saw pre-launch I genuinely thought it would be a good base to mod from. I believed that even if the base narrative wasn't good, I'd be able to have fun with it in a year or two with some overhaul mods. The same way I have fun with Fallout 4.
Basically I was expecting an updated Fallout 4. I got a lot less than that and I haven't bought a game at launch since. I think I've learned my lesson.

>>717394184
they had to have a marketing deal with nasa

>>717383690
it's called the vacuum of space not the combustion of space you fucking idiot. all the heat would simply be sucked (vacuumed) out of the computer.

>>717394472
>simply be sucked (vacuumed) out
to where though, one does not simply create another vacuum in the vacuum of space

>>717389545
I enjoyed it while playing but I was lucky and avoided the main story until the end. Only after realising the twist was multi-verse shit did I become sour on the whole game.

>>717394184
I think its cool.
It supposed to be a relatively short amount into the future and having a sort of "used" look to everything is an interesting aesthetic for spaceships that isn't done much in video games.

Shame about the rest of the game. But that part of the aesthetic isn't the problem.

>>717394472
Retard.
Space has no air. So there's nothing for the heat to be absorbed by. In a vacuum the shit that is hot just stays hot and very slowly radiates it out. Thats why space suits are white and have cooling systems. Astronauts would otherwise be cooked by their own body heat during an hour long spacewalk.
The ISS only works because the solar panels also act as heat radiators, having a massive surface area in order to radiate heat with.

They need to fire Emil. They need to fire Emil. They need to fire Emil. He keeps fucking ruining everything he touches with his reverse Midas touch that turns everything into shit. Hire a fucking writer with experience writing that doesn't swear off of his development team using design documentation for some dumb fucking reason. Emil and that practice are why TES and Fallout are full of inconsistent lore rape at this point. Starfield shows what Emil is capable of when the writing in his games are not being propped up by the Interplay, Black Isle, Obsidian and the pre-Oblivion Bethesda writing teams. Pure fucking shallow slop that makes no goddamn sense and manages to recycle Skyrim's main plot device in a supposedly "NASApunk" game.

>>717394184
Me. The aesthetic is unique in that regard, what the game lacks is edge. Majority of things are played way too safe or straight, or don't fit (starborn nonsense in particular). And there isn't nearly enough conflict in the game to drive a strong narrative, the closest you get is some UC/Pirate action which still feels incredibly tame.

>>717394184
NASApunk, if it actually had any relevance to the game's contents, would refer to a realistic approach to spaceflight (your ship requires constant maintenance and checkups, space is full of deadly radiation etc.) and having to do all that without the backing of a state or a megacorporation.

>>717394825
>fire Emil
>have a central design document
>stop removing things people like for no reason
shrimple as that

>>717368619
>Does it fix the boring characters?
Mods fixed it chud
https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/10376

Every single line of dialogue in the game reads like it was written by an HR department

>>717383426
>generic loot so I can scrap it for materials
Why lying? You can't do that in Starfield

>>717394039
In some ways I envy the shitposters in these threads, because their usual argument is something like
>Bethesda games were impressive once, but modern games have blown past them in sophistication and scope
and I wish I lived in their world, instead of this cursed one where games mostly got lazier and shittier, to the point where even Bethesda's most flawed output is still worth talking about in thread after thread

I'm still curious what game
>Today we have games that have fully destructible environments and allow you to build entire cities while saving every detail of every piece of grass you cut
is talking about lmao

>>717376965
What's wrong with Starborn? It's a neat and subtle nod to Skyrim.

>>717395583
>subtle
I have never wanted to curbstomp an anon harder than this

its really weird how the only good part of fo4 was the part that they decided they could do without
jumping around in power armor exploring the ruins of the city was like 90% of my playtime in that dogshit

>>717394184
The proper term is Cassettepunk, or Cassette Futurism.

It's basically the "retro" sci-fi future aesthetic used in stuff like Alien, Star Wars, and Cowboy Bebop.

>>717373390
>low quality
>extremely high quantity
Elder Scrolls

>extremely high quality
>high quantity
Baldur's Gate 3 and Divinity Original Sin series

I don't get why people still support Bethesda, honestly.

>>717396681
>It's basically the "retro" sci-fi future aesthetic used in stuff like Alien, Star Wars, and Cowboy Bebop.
Don't forget Concord!

>>717394087
Nigga mad truck driving simulator has roads

>>717389545
I played 126 hours, got to new game plus, and stopped. I feel like I got my money's worth as it was a freebee with my CPU, but setting up bases again sounds like a chore. I'd really need mods to fuck with to make it worth it. That or a new DLC. There is some neat tech and features that would be neat to see in future Bethesda games like working cars at least. But with how long it takes for any game to come out I'm probably going to try fucking with something like Fallout London, Daggerfall Unity, or Tamriel Rebuilt next.

>>717391341
So the same people who obsess over trash obsess over bethesda games? Poetic.

>>717394184
>Even the name alone sounds retarded.
What's next, IRSpunk? EPApunk Supreme Courtpunk?

>>717394836
I agree with this criticism the most. It isn't just the lack of dismemberment or gore; Starfield has this sanitary feeling in how characters interact and threaten each other. There's no torture, no rape, no real WAR of any kind other than people saying "we shot da bad guys". NPCs all mention the backdrop of the Colony War and how terrible it was, but there's almost nothing like that happening in the game and no mention of any real atrocities than the most vague shit like "people died". You don't find planet-scale devastation from the war. You don't even find bombed-to-hell cities! Starfield is boring as hell for having two warring factions and two raider factions all over the place. They said it was to make the setting feel "hopeful", but I think they missed the point. You can have bleakness and brightness in the same galaxy-spanning setting. In fact, having both makes each stand out better with the contrast.

>>717397714
>>717394586
>>717394351
>>717392969
>>717390960
>>717390626
>>717389869
>>717389701
This is all cope, I hope you guys realize this.

>>717368505 (OP)
I like starfield, but the gameplay loop needs to be fixed that's why I stopped at 300 hours
So Unity sends us to a new universe with FTL drives?

>>717368505 (OP)
wake me up when they add more strong brown women

>>717394472
>computer makes heat
>attach steam generator
>takes heat and makes power
>use power to power computer
infinite energy

>>717370889
I fucking hate when dipshits who can't do the bare minimum of research try to write """hard""" sci-fi

>>717398294
it is very "edutainment" tinted
like youre playing some interactive exhibit in a museum and all the actual gameplay parts are just background noise to bait you into listening to some asshole lecture you on orbit vectors or some shit

>>717368505 (OP)
Jesus Christ just let it fucking die. Not beating the bethesdrone allegations any time soon.

>>717389545
I didn't really purchase the game. I was building a new comp in the months before Starfield's release and the AMD card I got came with a free game code. I'm sure glad I didn't spend money on it, but I don't buy new AAA games on release anyway so it's not like I'd have gotten it without researching the reception first. I did my best to warn off my friends who were considering getting Starfield when I saw how lazily made it was and left a Steam review to that effect.

>>717400292
You jest but if data centers keep growing in size/power consumption this may just be a method of reclaiming some wasted energy.

>3 years of non stop crying from brown zoomers who were filtered by KINO IN SPACE experimental game
>development still ongoing
Starfield won. Brown zoomers lost. God I can't wait for TES6 to also be more of an experimental kind of game.

>>717368619
Don't forget the awful leveling system. Even ps2 games could manage prerequisite overflow for "perform this an X amount of times to unlock the next level". Not Starfield. If you are not eligible to level that fucking perk up and sprint 2000 times out of 100, when you do level it up, all those extra thousand times you sprinted won't count. And of course the counter intuitiveness of it too, demanding you expend all your stamina, instead of some of it.
>engage in these things that the game punishes you for doing to get better
This drove me up the fucking wall when I played this stupid game.

>>717388875
>X 3
I wish X-universe games had been mentioned here more often, they are so damn good. I also wish X4 wasn't so shitty. It's such a disappointment.

>>717389545
>purchasing

>>717368619
fpbp

>>717402174
it was a good system

it doesn't make sense that you are a master shipbuilder because you got a paper that says so

>>717376965
It's fun to go through the archives and see anons gradually realising that the starborn thing wasn't just a meme

>>717395283
Yeah that guy's full of shit. The closest "general" game that I can think of that has that sort of stuff is Exiles or Rust and that resets periodically even on a homebrew server. There are "gimmick" games like Red Faction that will have this sort of thing or non-game games like Minecraft that make significant sacrifices to achieve one of these goals. But I'd like a list of 3 from that >>717394039 anon about what the fuck he's talking about.

>>717389545
I was building a PC around the time of this game's release and got it as a pack in from Newegg for buying a CPU. Can't really complain, I guess. Pretty good for a free video game.

>>717392720
It would have been so easy to have some planet or system where comms were cut off and the uc/free side were still fighting.

>>717389545
It was easily my 2nd best game of 2023 after BG3. The only way the game wasn't great for you was if you got into it thinking it's going to be skyrim or oblivion, which was obvious from practically every piece of pre release material they released. I have friends who did that.

i actually had more hours on star citizen than starfield lol. that should say enough about the quality of bethesda's shit.

>t. 1000's of hours on new vegas, fo4, morrowind, oblivion and skyrim.

>>717394184
>Who the fuck thought "NASApunk" was a good theme to begin with?
Take a sip and read:

Starfield was supposed to be filled with all sorts of mechanics and aesthetics, similar to every single other Bethesda game. Magic, time travel, deep engineering, telepathy, futuristic weapons, futuristic augmentation, etc. An expanded story that fit a sci-fi setting. Exotic environments that get progressively weirder as you played the game. A combination of covid and creeping incompetence in the dev team made that impossible. They had a functional FPS set in space decorated with re-skinned office furniture. So they coined "NASA punk" to explain the dearth of actual mechanics and aesthetics. If you explain your world as "realistic" relative to what NASA was designing in the 1970's, then you don't have to come up with different technology or mechanics or designs.

The problem was, all sorts of the story-critical lore required that stuff that got jettisoned, so you're left with a jarringly incoherent aesthetic of "NASA punk" against a story about space magic (which only you have) and ancient alien Jews.

Tl;Dr: NASA punk was a late development cope

>>717404351
post your gameplay hours on starfield and on BG3.

>>717394184
Millennials still think punk is cool and everytime it comes up the recite the list of things not allowed in punk

How's star wars genesis. I'd get starfield for that if it was fun.

>>717404512
120hrs ish

180hrs ish

>CAPTCHA:adhdy

>>717373820
You said that about Fallout 76 in regards to Starfield
Can tell you right now that was definitely not true.

Yo i pirated this shit and still felt ripped off after 2 hours

>>717368619
fpbp. It is insane how Bethesda missed up an easy layup.

>>717368505 (OP)
???
but they already had interplanetary travel

>>717369615
I mean space is basically empty they they can just endless stairway you in the same couple of cells until you roll up on your destination

>>717383690
space isn't hot
things put in to space GET hot
big difference

>>717368619
>pretending bethesda games were ever about story or characters
bait used to be believable

>>717394472
I hate that the new rimworld xpac works like this.
especially when the mod it rips off had actual heat sinks

>>717410317
>>717410286
>>717410283
I think your bot broke.

>>717368741
>check loverlab
>npc are so ugly that even gooner don't want to tpuch the game

>>717368505 (OP)
This game would've benefited a lot more by just being a open ended Bethesda Mass Effect and having the 10 race system and aliens to fuck

>>717368505 (OP)
Nice! Only 2 years too late

>>717403584
I was there when it happened! Oh my god, I remember this. I genuinely thought people were fucking with me, "no way Bethesda would do this, it's just too fucking stupid". Then people started posting footage of the ending where you reset the universe and become Starborn and oh god, it was the stupidest fucking thing ever.

"Yeah our sci-fi universe is hard which is why there's no intelligent alien life and planets are empty, it's realistic"
"But you also reset the universe, become Starborn and get magical space powers."
"Yeah uhhh"

>>717398434
Coping with what? That we got duped into playing a shitty game? I have accepted that fact, and will not be playing ES6 under any circumstances.

>>717368619
fpbp.
Turning it into a mediocre copy of No Man's Sky wont do them any good

>>717411303
>reset the universe
That's not what happens though?

>>717411372
Yeah, you mind telling me what does happen then?

>>717368505 (OP)
Nice. Starfield is one of the best games of the generation and it's gonna get better

>>717411519
based believer in todd-sama

Starfield is okay, not the best TES game, but still fun.

>>717401446
the bleeding bug in the screenshot makes this post so much funnier

>>717412034
>bug
retard

>>717390594
No that's just how Todd experiences the world, with people looking down at his 5'1 self

>>717390594
>still posting 2 year old ragebait of a bug that was fixed 2 years ago
disingenuous baiting retard

THE ENGOODENING IS HAPPENING. STARFIELD WILL BE REMEMBERED MORE HIGHLY THAN CYBERPUNK AND SKYRIM AND THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO STOP IT

>>717395179
this is really fucking cringe, bro. Inigo tier cancer.

>>717413980
Say what you want about Inigo but he wasn't a tranny

>>717413980
Starfield isn't woke enough, it only has a chink, ZESTY ASS NIGGER and pronouns in the first 10 minutes. I need to be reminded about my privilege every minute by strong, brave wo(men). Being white perpetuates harmful stereotypes about niggers stealing and jeets raping anything that moves. Being white and male is even more harmful which is why every single person in New Atlantis is a nog.

>>717415040
He probably would be if he was made after 2020.

>>717383690
>>717394472
what if I told you guys space is fake n gay.
there is the firmament and beyond that is another dimension, inconceivable to our human brians.

>>717415453
>brians

Who's leg do you have to hump around here to get a dry martini?

>>717368505 (OP)
I'll never forgive them for coining the term "NASApunk" then doing nothing with it

>>717415675
>then doing nothing with it
?

except the entire artstyle of the ships?

>>717415675
The artstyle is fine. The game's problems are everything else.

>>717368505 (OP)
The best thing they could do with Starfield is just pretend it never happened and not fuck up TES VI.

>>717368619
This game defiantly has 8, good, very well supported, years ahead of it

>>717368619
>Does it fix the terrible story?
yes, if you can travel between planets without stripping the atmosphere then earth is still habitable and all the space factions are just gay cults
>Does it fix the boring characters?
yes(no)
>Does it fix the shallow combat?
yes, with mods
>Does it fix the awful quests?
yes, interplanetary travel shortens the awful parts

STARFIELD IS SAVED :D

>>717415949
Brother they're not getting the band back together for TESVI, it's pretty safe to assume that the team that made Starfield is also making TESVI.

You're only as good as your last game as they say so it would probably do them well to make Starfield into a not shit game for when it releases on the PS5 next year. People would have more confidence in TESVI that way.

>>717416178
I'm sure the meetings have been held between Todd and management about how long it would take to make a new Elder Scrolls vs. how much of a return they could get for putting more work into Starfield. Recent examples of cross platform ports have shown us that the games don't get a significant sales bump if their reputations are already in the toilet. But the Oblivion Remake sold well with practically no marketing and that tells the decision makers that the audience still has an appetite for Elder Scrolls. So that's probably where the team has been told to focus their resources. Whether they can deliver a good product is less of a factor than whether it will sell and right now it looks like an new Elder Scrolls will sell, at least at launch.

>>717415821
What ships? The ships are cubes you slap together. They all look like shit because they're interchangeable and not designed to be a functional single form.

>>717416505
They could probably salvage Starfield if they fixed some of the underlying issues and knocked it out of the park with Starborn. Unlike working on TESVI, they don't really need a huge team to make expansions so most of the work is already done, they just need to add new weapons/planets/quests etc... and a ton of QoL stuff.

Assuming the seamless space travel thing is real and works well, that would go a long way to help solve one of the biggest issues with the game which is that it feels like a loading screen simulator.

>>717370339
Don't blame the writer when the fundamental game design of Todd is the problem.
You can't write a story for a game meant to have the player never face any choices with any consequences.

>>717390925
>>717391002

>>717368505 (OP)
So you can loadscreen from one planet to another with fewer steps?

>>717416813
skill issue

>>717373390
So that makes it okay to keep churning shit?

>>717418090
Looks like shit

>>717416178
>Brother they're not getting the band back together for TESVI,
Good. Starfield Mogs TES in terms of world building.

>>717418174
Post what you looks like a good space ship design from a game.

>>717393018
Everything that was good in FREELANCER is thanks to Christ Robert, Microsoft make sure it would actually be profitable.
I honestly think STAR CITIZEN is going to raise the level.

The funding methods of SC are obviously worth every memes about it, so does Crobert feature creep.
But I was never in for the multiplayer, It's only the single player that matter, and while I would prefer it to release sooner with less "feature creep", I've backed more money in Early Access games that had more reasonable objectives.

The only thing that's intolerable with Star Citizen, is that no other game developers saw there was a public and decided to make a game with only the space-combat features, or at least no ship interiors which is 20% of the features needing 80% of the effort.

>>717394184
NASApunk is as fun as Steampunk or Cyberpunk (future or retro cyberpunk).
It's just Bethesda that make cool concept into crap.

>>717368505 (OP)
I don't understand why people want this, they'll use like two times, get bored, return to using fast travel, and return to playing skyrim

>>717393018
>old good new bad thanks for attending my ted talk

>>717376404
Read Hyperion.

>>717395283
>>717403942
The tons of generic survival crafting games, 7 days to die, project zomboid, subnautica and yes minecraft and its billion clones. Even NMS does it better than starfield though it still has size limits on bases, you can at least dig and destroy the environment.
>resets periodically periodically even on a homebrew server.
I always just turn cell resets like that off

I don't understand how compared to these people can act like storing the location of a bottle on the ground is some impossible engineering feat. As I said that was cool 20 years ago back when memory and space were more limited but is trivial today.

>>717375245
>To me, the worst part is there is a skeleton of interesting things in there.
You don't understand Todd design,
The design philosophy of Bethesda when it comes to open-world is to make a supermarket of quest where they can add content anytime without any impact or consequences.
That's why the plot trick players into infinite new game+++++

>>717418558
"Immersion". Mind you these same people hate Starfield and wouldn't play it for more than 10 minutes anyway. The big thing it sets out to tackle are the amount of loading screens. Personally the loading screens have never been an issue for me, but I play on PC so maybe the experience there is different.

What it will do, though, is give it all the workings of "THIS IS WHAT WE WANTED FROM THE BEGINNING" when it also debuts alongside the PS5 port. Suddenly Starfield will be saved and all the people who shit on it will say they fixed it and bring their mindless drone cattle into the Starfield community and fuck it up.

>>717375245
>one night club with some gay ass suited dancers and nothing else particularly interesting going on
off the top of my head:

robocop quest

cyberpunk corpo waifu questline

your ship getting impounded

cool fish market

cool rain condensing electrical generating roof thingy

the globohomo owner getting caught over some shady shit he did with freestar collective

trying to market some drug

>>717375245
What I find extremely regrettable is that the team had full creative freedom with a new IP to do and say anything they wanted to with practically no limits and no lore or prior games to adhere to. And they couldn't think of anything interesting or compelling to do with limitless freedom.

>>717368505 (OP)
Any good mods that get rid of the sterile hr look characters and clothes on npcs have? I'm not trying to get rid of minorities, I just want them to look normal like everyone else, walking around and running into this every 10 seconds take me out of the game, that and the ugly, androgynous clothes everyone has that fully covers every inch of their bodies, cleavage is a myth, even tshirts are a myth.

>>717368505 (OP)

>And in there tongue he is called... STARBORN!

Honestly it was at this point I knew Bethesda was just taking the piss out of their fans.

>>717420124
I still can't believe they did this, thought it was a meme until I actually saw it in the game.

>>717419801
To be fair, the game was developed in the apex of the hyperwoke, anti-trump backlash. They didn't have "full creative freedom", they had to walk on eggshells constantly to come up with story ideas that couldn't possibly offend or upset anyone. Ironically it ended up upsetting everyone just by being shitty and boring. Fucking niggers.

>>717419801
It was more interesting than anything I've played from Bethesda aside from Fallout which isn't really their IP. Grounded scifi will always be more interesting than magic dragons and wizards.

>>717368505 (OP)
They should be focussing on rewriting the game, a mod already added this and it just makes space trucking slightly more engaging, Elite Dangerous and X4 already do that much better anyway.

>>717421979
but starfield isn't grounded science fiction at all. it's a shallow veneer atop space magic and FTL drives.

>>717422280
Constellation is easily the worst part about Starfield lorewise and storywise, but it's pretty easy to ignore. I didn't even do their faction quests until I had already done everything else in the game so I guess it worked out for me better than most.

>>717421169
kek i love how >>717419801 is just trying to criticize bethseda's creative incompetence and you just spin his post into political slop.

not sure if you are retarded or just underaged.

>>717368741
>CHANGE THE ENGINE
>CHANGE THE ENGINE
>CHANGE THE ENGINE
>CHANGE THE ENGINE
I wander who could be behind those posts

>>717368505 (OP)
Good marning saars how r u tudey I making the programings to do the needingfuls of the space flyings tenk chu cum againe

>>717368505 (OP)
>adding space travel
>instead of proper procedural generation i.e. actual meat of the game
>instead of reworking perks and melee
>instead of adding more space stations and derelicts

>>717422549
They didn't have creative freedom you dumb nigger. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out

>>717374821
>Most overrated "comeback" in history.

idk how they managed it but they fooled a bunch of retards into thinking they redeemed themselves. I'm still baffled how they did it. I guess if your game is shit but you release half-assed shallow updates for it over and over people will just assume you did good.

>>717421169
>hyperwoke, anti-trump
Just 2 more weeks until he destroys China, India and Russia!

>>717423376
I accept your concession

>>717423430
Begin accepting our BBB hyperinflation

>>717368505 (OP)
like at the current speed it takes to get between planet models or are they adding some sort of speed up mode?
It's cool I guess but the game if fucked at the core, none of this ancillary stuff can save it. it will never replace the proper space sims so they need to make it a good oblivion in space instead

>>717422280
>but starfield isn't grounded science fiction at all. it's a shallow veneer atop space magic and FTL drives.
It's only "grounded" when they can use it as an excuse to be lazy and uncreative.
>Yeah we want realism so no aliens or strange cultures, our planets are empty and barren because that is how space really is. All of our buildings, furniture, and items look like mundane minimalist techie shit from the 2020 California office we work out of (we actually just scanned everything in our office) and our ships are just ripped off from space shuttles minus the actual technical or structural aspects or engineering knowledge because we don't care about details like that, this isn't trying to be a simulator it's trying to be "fun".
>And yeah here's a dash of magic and shit we pulled from Skyrim, people really liked Skyrim right?

>>717423485
2 more weeks

>>717423485
Brother you don't need to keep conceding. Everyone already knows that you're a sub-saharan.

>>717423630
No, it literally takes the amount of time it would take in real life for you to travel from one system to the next, so if you start a new playthrough now, you might be able to make it to New Atlantis before you die.

>>717421979
There was absolutely nothing interesting or memorable about Starfield's setting.

>>717375245
It also suffers from each faction quest being written totally in a vacuum, it's clear no one was talking to anyone else about the setting. The pirate planet would technically be a breach of the protocols that caused the last war because it'd put Space Nato at more than 5 systems, which is a fucking stupid agreement. Space NATO and Space Cowboys can both only control five systems, something that no one else seems to acknowledge. Snake people are supposed to be a major faction but you almost never encounter them until the DLC where they're all you encounter. The forced evolutionary virus plant that turns heat leaches into space death claws is never brought up outside of the quest it's in. The space death claws themselves are also not brought up outside of the space nato quest line. They apparently appear on any planet that gets a proper city that's more than 20 houses and destroys the whole thing like 'Nids, constantly adapting and spawning more, but it's never brought up. There's one actual city of reasonable size, and it's already destroyed, you fight in it's ruins for the space nato quest line. But no one else mentions this fallen frozen city that looks like it's Space New York with all the skyscrapers. Oh and the less said about the Red Mile, a hidden illegal casino planet with one casino with 20 slot machines you can't use, that has a death game where people just... run to press a button and come back, is apparently the peak of bloodsports in this lawless galaxy

>>717368505 (OP)
>trying to fix the space travel
okay, neat. anything about the combat? the bullet sponge enemies with multiple healthbars that eat multiple 50. cal rounds in what is supposed to be a somewhat grounded sci-fi setting? or how about the godawful levelling system? hell, WHERE ARE THE MOD TOOLS?

>>717396681
No, it's explicitly not cassette punk, Cassette Futurism has a 70s/80's tinge, while Starfield is going for a late 90s/00's post cold war, "what if all technology was styled after the ISS" kind of thing. The mars ship manufacturer builds ships styled after early 00's style nuclear submarines, it's all late 90s, with some early 00s, but not the futurism that was the style in the CD era, but an eternal continuation of that style of tech instead the Iphone future of touch screens we got

>>717368619
>does it fix all these things /v/ said were bad? (I didn't play the game and neither did /v/ but they're bad because /v/ says so!!!!!!)

>>717368505 (OP)
>no lyran aliens
>hardly any aliens at all except for weird monsters
I'm good.

>>717368505 (OP)
>Interplanetary Travel
Cool, now if they add
>Interesting locations to find and explore
>An okay main quest
>Good side quests
>Good companions
>Good weapons and armor
>Interesting lore
>An interesting setting
I'll play it.

>>717425680
>An okay main quest
>Good side quests
>Good companions
>Good weapons and armor
Already in.

you could walk from one edge of Daggerfall's map to the other in 8 hours.
So now we can fly from one side of a solar system to the other in 8 hours?
That'll totally make up for the game being so lazy & bad.

>>717377687
>why is everything a sequel/prequel/reboot/remake/rehash/remaster now
>REEEEEE WHY ARE YOU MAKING A NEW IP WHY AREN'T YOU MAKING ANOTHER SEQUELPREQUELREBOOTREMAKEREHASHREMASTER REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>717379242
>she thinks oblivion remaster is le pajeet upscale
How far up your own asshole do you have to be to come up with this shit? This is levels of denying reality that would put you in the asylum if traitor reagan hadn't shut them down.

>>717395261
Because like the rest of /v/, he hasn't played the game and is just parroting what other people who also have not played the game say.

>>717379978
Having a team full of trannies, poos, chinks and 70IQ foids ruined it. They needed some blue-eyed Aryan chads to shoot down all the retarded ideas those degenerates were coming up with, but they didn't have that because white man not allowed.

>>717426868
>white "chad" cucked like a dog out of his own hobbies and workplaces
Grim...

>>717420124
It's a reference to 2001: A Space Odyssey, retard.

>>717427513
The jew is a menace unlike any other, but it'll all be ours again soon.

>>717426868
It's ok to be gay, i support you in your struggle.

>>717368505 (OP)
>we're a club all about science and exploration
>with you joining us, that makes two members who have received mysterious visions from touching these artifacts
>but instead of sharing those visions with other members, we're just going to let you keep touching them

>>717427658
>Sees a man with a good physique
>Immediately thinks gay

Way to tell on yourself like that

>>717427740
Pretty sure this is one of those ludo-narrative dissonance moments. Narratively speaking, it would be more interesting to let other members touch the artifacts and get the visions and then the power associated with the artifact. But in terms of the game, it would just make it more annoying to get all the powers, especially for people who have no intention of doing NG+.

>>717368505 (OP)
They're desperate at this level?

>>717394184
they just took fallout assets to be cleaned + painted grey

>>717427953
I don't see an issue with making it an option to either be a power hungry greedy guy or wanting to share it making a companion you'll take with you stronger

>>717427779
>>Sees a man with a good physique
Holy homo faggot, I just know you fantasize about choking on his massive cock.

>>717428186
That's a lot of gay words that are coming out of your mouth.

>>717428121
>Giving Constellation yet another thing to guilt trip you over
But yeah I guess you're right.

>>717427583
that mythical jew really fucked your brains out huh? you'll fight back in 2 weeks I'm sure

>>717424059
>a death game where people just... run to press a button and come back
You can tell Bethesda was really struggling to come up with something creative for this.

>>717368505 (OP)
This game has far more urgent issues to fix than this. Do AI still shoot at center mass and consistently miss donut ships?

>>717428503
>leftoid trying to be funny

*yawn*

>>717428602
You're an unfunny joke.

>>717428854
You're brown.

>>717383690
>>717394472
>>717408774
you niggas literally don't understand thermodynamics. Google ENTROPY

or answer this question correctly: What does the sun provide the earth with?

>>717428940
You're mutted.

>>717428354
a bad ending because you gave too much power to another member then pissed them off would have been funny

>>717368505 (OP)
heh

>>717429873
Disappointed, again.

>>717394184
People who aren't cumbrains who want every space game to be Mass Effect with porn mods so they can jerk off to aliens while pretending they're not furries.

>>717368505 (OP)
Can't wait to see how half-assed they'll make it

>>717430554
Too bad the game is shit, they could have had something with the whole NASApunk thing

>>717431095
>the game is shit b-because I saw someone on /v/ say so
>no I didn't play it

>>717371656
>Yeah the 'plausible humans in space' thing fell flat on its ass, especially since it was mostly populated by no fun allowed Sweet Baby Inc-approved personality vacuums.

I don't know why they didn't go full space opera with aliens and shit honestly.

>>717375990
That's because they were not made by Bethesda
Bethesda has never made a good game.
They make good sandboxes for modding purposes, but their games have always been shallow pieces of shit.

>>717368505 (OP)
never played it, i assumed, as its a game set in space, that it would already have that.
LMAO

>>717429004
>or answer this question correctly: What does the sun provide the earth with?
unrelenting pain and oppression. what does that have to do with space being a super cold frozen vacuum?

>>717433315
That's a pretty logical assumption to make given that no man's sky released ten years ago and has all thst shit, but unfortunately Bethesda got Ship of Theseus'd and all of the employees replaced with low IQ browns. As a result the game is 20 years outdated and terrible

>>717376216
>Fallout as a whole franchise will never be good
Name a better post-apocalypse game that actually has a plot, antagonist, and bosses, but isn't a linear move-game with 10+ minute cutscenes.

Everything else is either sandbox or movie-game. You have wasteland but that is a crappier version of old fallout and basically nothing similar to 3 or NV. Metro has an okay story but is linear as fuck.

>>717368619
I don't care about story in any vidya
I don't care about exciting or boring characters in any vidya
Combat is shallow, agreed
Quests have never been done well in any video game. It's best to not have them.

>>717370889
How hard is it to put it on Titan if you can fly between stars.

>>717436054
I think thats log from the moon base, which means it was recorded before they got the FTL drives.

>>717368505 (OP)
unless it removed the shambling hoardes niggers everywhere it's not fixed

>>717369615
No Man's Sky did it in 2016