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Anonymous No.717384385 >>717384819 >>717384870 >>717384905 >>717384984 >>717385315 >>717386334 >>717387864 >>717388043 >>717389476 >>717389995 >>717390661 >>717391021 >>717391317 >>717391517 >>717392126 >>717393072 >>717393701 >>717395005
Fix the story
Anonymous No.717384819 >>717388913 >>717391105 >>717392094
>>717384385 (OP)
Nah.
Halo 3's story is underrated by people who don't understand it.
Feel like there was one plot point I thought of a few weeks ago that could have been tightened up, but it's basically perfect as it is.

Of course the terminals are shit, but they can be disregarded as rampancy.
Anonymous No.717384870
>>717384385 (OP)
Nothing to fix. Halo 3 is the peak and it's all downhill from here.
Anonymous No.717384905 >>717388384
>>717384385 (OP)
Is there a reason why they replaced the voice actor for Truth? The Halo 2 voice actor was perfect and he felt like an entirely different character in 3.
Anonymous No.717384984 >>717385113
>>717384385 (OP)
I'm losing my fucking mind. Are you telling me Cortana's eyes have been in this box art for the last 18 years?
Anonymous No.717385113 >>717387328
>>717384984
Her eyes are cropped out in the actual box art. You can see them in posters or promotional art for the game.
Anonymous No.717385315
>>717384385 (OP)
I'd start by actually giving Halo 3 a story.
Anonymous No.717386334
>>717384385 (OP)
>story
Who gives a shit about that, it's a video game. I rather fix the gameplay starting with Halo 2.
Anonymous No.717387328
>>717385113
Okay. I still can't believe I've never seen that in any other form after almost 20 years. I saw the op and thought it was a goofy deviantart edit.
Anonymous No.717387864
>>717384385 (OP)
Keyes is naked
Everything else is the same
Anonymous No.717388043
>>717384385 (OP)
Nothing aside from presenting it in a less childish manner. Truth VA change and Keyes edgy act
Anonymous No.717388384
>>717384905
Yeah Marty gave the behind the scenes for that in his podcast. The H2 voice actor just didn't want to come back.
Anonymous No.717388913 >>717389058 >>717389126 >>717391794 >>717391914 >>717392094 >>717392621
>>717384819
>Halo 3's story is underrated by people who don't understand it.
>Halo 3 is the peak

>Arbiter becomes MC's silent sidekick with no more character development whatsoever
>Truth goes from being a cunning, mastermind with an agenda to a Saturday morning cartoon villain rambling about muh great journey which is a complete turnaround from 2
>Gravemind introduced as an omnipotent, all seeing entity that went through millennia gathering knowledge and playing 4D chess but in the span of 2 levels he goes from having all the cards in hands (especially in pic related) to just... giving up. While crying like a little bitch.
>Miranda becomes a suicidal retard
>Johnson turns his back to 343GS and MC just lets the thing happen despite being showed time and time again the little fucker is deranged and tried killing him multiple times

Anybody praising the story in 3 is an absolute retard who probably slept through 2. It's obvious it was written by a bunch of incompetent fucks who had no idea what they were doing.
Don't get me wrong. As a game, H3 is an definite improvement over 2 in pretty much all aspects. But you cannot possibly defend that shit show of a story with a straight face if you have any respect for what Halo was up to that point.
Anonymous No.717389058 >>717391914
>>717388913
I'll also add

>Oh no Cortana got mind raped by Gravemind for god knows how long AND she's going rampant, surely that's going to have some effect when MC finally gets her back
>Actually no she's fine and gets back to being the exact same character the moment MC gets her back, that shit was just to get people hype in the trailers lol
Anonymous No.717389126 >>717389440
>>717388913
>>Halo 3 is the peak
I never said it was the peak, I said it was perfect as is.
The peak of storytelling in the Halo series is Halo 2. 3 is the natural conclusion.

And it's damn good if you're capable of understanding it.
Anonymous No.717389440 >>717389517
>>717389126
>I said it was perfect as is.
It can't be perfect is the third act completely shits the bed like it did.

>And it's damn good if you're capable of understanding it.
It's bad ESPECIALLY if you're capable of understanding it, it shits all over what H2 established to the point it might as well be something else entirely. It's like they hired someone who had not played the previous games and asked them to write the most basic, stale and predictable finale to a science fiction plot except have it take place in the Halo universe. I mean Marty is the one who decided they should kill Johnson off just for shit and giggles. The fucking music composer. Let that sink in for a moment.
Anonymous No.717389476 >>717390668
>>717384385 (OP)
Wrap Up.
Halo 7.
Atriox and What's-Her-Face (Infinite's Villain) Team up to shake up the universe and form their own religious covenant, Atriox only plays along and plans to backstab what's-her-face as he only cares for the Jiralhanae / Brutes and deem other species as inferior.
Their main plan is to revive Cortana's Guardians and take control of nearby Halo arrays and fire them asynchronously at low power to wipe out the "non-believers" but Atriox has an ace up his sleeve in the shape of weaponized flood he captured from Great Charity remains, planning to unleash it on What's-Her-Face and her kind.

Meanwhile...The Didact returns after a self imposed exile realizing that he has absolutely lost his marbles. After the events of Halo Escalation he spent much time talking to a Cortana subdivision that was left behind in his systems after the ending of Halo 4.
The didact had lost it the moment he attempted to digitalize himself into a promethean like figure but could not go through with it because that would also make him devoid of all sentiment and he still loved the librarian deeply, despite his immense intellect and knowledge he had subconsciously sabotaged his own efforts allowing himself to lose. The didact marvels at Cortana for being an AI capable of feeling, and caring, something even the Forerunners thought impossible. After the destruction of Requiem all hope for him to reunite or even the a glimmer of what was left of his love what impossible, deciding to care for the librarian's work as penitence. For gameplay purposes he becomes this version of the Arbiter and the reason why humanity stands a ghost of a chance.

Master Chief rallies a small force behind him with ONI grating him a full pardon and supporting him in a race against time for both Arks to control the Halo arrays where the main battle and campaign takes place against EVERYTHING in an encore (Elites, Brutes, Flood, Prometheans, Sentinels, Guardians).
Anonymous No.717389517 >>717389829
>>717389440
You wouldn't get it.
Anonymous No.717389829 >>717389961
>>717389517
I do, because I was there on release and I remember I could not believe how disappointed that shit was coming from the genius of H2's story, and I was even more baffled at how my friends were so blinded by hype they were calling me crazy for not just gulping that shit down. Now years later people finally realize something definitely went wrong especially as more behind the scenes started coming out so I feel somewhat vindicated.

H3 is still one hell of a video game. But fuck. that. story. People think 343 is when it started to go downhill but I will die on the hill that H3 played a part. ODST being an outlier (probably because Staten actually worked on that one) and Reach is just... there I guess.
Anonymous No.717389961 >>717390089
>>717389829
Tell me what happens with Master Chief in the ending.
I think your opinion isn't worth my time, but if you impress me here, I'll reconsider.
Anonymous No.717389995 >>717390191
>>717384385 (OP)
What badly needs fixing is the role of the flood entirely. In H2 the gravemind sets itself and the floos in high charity and tries to get cortana to tell them about the location of Earth, then in H3 the flood make it past the Elite blockade and are on their way to Earth, but cortana does a gamble and has the entire flood believe the solution to kill them all is in the Ark, so gravemind in grand charity doesn't jump to earth and then to the Ark instead they go straight for the Ark.

That is far too good for all consuming aliens don't you think? I think that the stakes are so high and the villain so evil it doesn't click for me that they would skip earth entirely, other than story needs to happen
Anonymous No.717390089 >>717390254
>>717389961
>if you impress me here, I'll reconsider.

I'll do that after you give me a good reason I should even value your opinion which seeing as you're praising H3's story isn't really worth anything really.
Anonymous No.717390191
>>717389995
The implication at the ending of Halo 2, and in the Halo 3 level Cortana, is that while the Gravemind is mindraping Cortana, she's also mindraping it back.
She basically has control of the Flood in Halo 3. Or about half control of it.
Anonymous No.717390254 >>717390431
>>717390089
Failed.
Sorry for your pain.
Anonymous No.717390431 >>717390508
>>717390254
Keep living your pathetic little delusion, retard.
Anonymous No.717390508 >>717390896
>>717390431
It's no delusion, you really failed to impress me.
I do not believe you understand the ending of Halo 3.
Anonymous No.717390635 >>717390879 >>717392250
Why do i never see you fags shitting on 3 for only having 9 levels, floodgate being the previous level played backwards and the player needing to backtrack the entire level in crow's nest and Cortana
Anonymous No.717390661 >>717390941
>>717384385 (OP)
Chief kills the faggot on the space ship instead of whatever happens in the novels that we were expected to keep up with for some reason
Arbiter fights the brutes and the flood on earth
Chief stealths and fights his way on to a ship
Brutes, elites, flood, and marines all end up on installation 00
Rest plays out the same
Humans are confirmed forerunners
Anonymous No.717390668
>>717389476
>After the destruction of Requiem all hope for him to reunite or even catch a glimmer of what was left of his love was impossible
Edit.

The didact gifts chief the Cortana subdivision which completes weapon's AI capabilities while also making her look more like CE Cortana's changing her color to her original purple.
It is implied Medicant Bias is still in the systems watching, delaying the efforts of the intruders allowing Chief to out maneuver them.

A proto-gravemind forms in the Ark once more and takes out What's-her-face with him before the finale where everything blows up to hell. The didact reunites with Medicant Bias having an exchange in text a la Marathon understanding that both share the same flaw, having both justified their madness with a pretext that it was for the greater good having forgotten what they were actually protecting.
The didact leaves the galactic system with Bias, and shuts down the Ark decommissioning the Halo array with it, as the Flood seems to have perished for good.

Master Chief has multiple conversations with Atriox in the finale, Atriox giving him the old "We are not so different you and I" speech. Atriox attempts to have a final mano a mano with John but to his embarrassment he is not only humiliated, he attempts to flee only to be fired upon by an elite and grunt squad dying an ignoble death instead of the glory he wanted to embrace..
Master Chief and Blue Team live long enough to retire, John reuniting with Kelly.
After fighting Atriox, confronting Cortana, talking to the Didact and engaging Gravemind a final time John comes to terms with his eventual retirement realizing that what all of them had in common is that all of them thought they were justified because their actions were backed by their beliefs in a greater good.
Anonymous No.717390692 >>717390794 >>717392250
I really don't understand the point of Gravemind. I don't think he was really necessary and didn't contribute anything outside of like 2 levels in 3.
Anonymous No.717390794 >>717390927
>>717390692
Gravemind is easily the coolest level in 2, how you can not see the point in playing the middle of a covenant civil war is beyond me
Anonymous No.717390879
>>717390635
Halo 3 has The Covenant which is one of the longest most interesting, varied levels in the entire series so it kinda makes up for it.
Anonymous No.717390896 >>717390989
>>717390508
>you really failed to impress me.

I was never intending to impress some random retard, why should I even care about you when you already proved you aren't worth anybody's time for somehow praising that shit show of a story?

>I do not believe you understand the ending of Halo 3
I do not believe you realize that 'discussion' we were having was never about the ending but I'm not surprised you suffer from reading comprehension given what you showcased of your intellect. The fucking ending does not matter when the bulk of the game is absolute crap story wise. What difference is the cherry on top going to make if the cake is a fat, steaming pile of shit? Huh? Get it now retard?
Anonymous No.717390927
>>717390794
Firstly, you know what I was talking about, shut up.
Secondly, Gravemind on Legendary is like cock and ball torture.
Anonymous No.717390941 >>717391013
>>717390661
>Humans are confirmed forerunners
They already did that in the first game.
Anonymous No.717390989 >>717391093
>>717390896
Why should I read your post?
Anonymous No.717391013 >>717391164
>>717390941
Not really, back then it was just hints. He's talking about actual confirmation. Which is what was going to happen with the mummy but they repurposed it to 343GS spelling it out for the stupid audience
Anonymous No.717391021
>>717384385 (OP)
Chief makes sweet passionate slow virtual love to Cortana in the end
Anonymous No.717391093 >>717391218
>>717390989
Exactly. Don't.
Just like you do everything else, just make up whatever you want in your mind and try to pass it as truth whenever it's being challenged. That's all retards like you do, because ignorance is bliss and you're living proof of that.
Anonymous No.717391105
>>717384819
>Halo 3's story is underrated by people who don't understand it.
Wtf is there to misunderstanding it is the most straightforward thing ever
Anonymous No.717391164 >>717391231
>>717391013
No, Guilty Spark's dialogue during The Maw is pretty explicit.
Anonymous No.717391218 >>717391270 >>717391291 >>717391448
>>717391093
What happened in Halo 3's ending?
Anonymous No.717391231 >>717391307 >>717391606
>>717391164
Then it really takes a special bunch of retards like O'connor and 343i to somehow retcon it like they did if it was supposed to be that obvious since the very first game.
Anonymous No.717391270 >>717391371
>>717391218
Why should I read your post?
Anonymous No.717391291 >>717391371
>>717391218
NTA but
>le full circle ending
Now answer the mans question.
Anonymous No.717391307
>>717391231
Yea...
That's why people who played the originals hated the 343 sequels.
Anonymous No.717391317 >>717392338
>>717384385 (OP)
Halo 4 onward was just a dream.
Chief wakes up back on Earth and finds out that for reperations, the various covie species are offering their women to human men.
Anonymous No.717391371 >>717391437 >>717391465
>>717391291
What question?
Also
>le full circle ending
Isn't the answer I'm looking for.
>>717391270
Because you're a retard looking for attention.
You will respond to this post because you like my attention.
Anonymous No.717391437 >>717391685
>>717391371
No I will respond to this post to remind you once again that you're the biggest retard in this thread and a waste of post count.
Do us all a favor and just stop.
Anonymous No.717391448
>>717391218
Don't bother replying to a /h5g/bab
Anonymous No.717391465 >>717391685
>>717391371
Reading through this exchange has me increasingly convinced you don't have any actual thoughts on the matter amd are just saying shit to say shit.
Anonymous No.717391517
>>717384385 (OP)
Add a couple levels playing as the Arbiter.
Anonymous No.717391606
>>717391231
>yeah uhhh when Gravemind said "I am a monument to all your sins" he was actually talking about the sins of a completely different group of aliens. Btw we fleshed out the Flood's backstory to be specifically about the forerunners fucking them over and they really have no reason to dislike humans
Anonymous No.717391685 >>717391862
>>717391437
Shut up, attention whore.
>>717391465
The ending of Halo 3 is strange.
If anon can explain what's strange about it, and offer his own interpretation of what happened, then I'll begin to consider his opinion.
Currently I think he's bitching without applying himself. Complaining about something he hasn't attempted to understand.
Anonymous No.717391757
>flood were the original nice alien race
>gravemind is controlling them and just needs wiped out

Done
Anonymous No.717391794 >>717391925
>>717388913
>>Arbiter becomes MC's silent sidekick with no more character development whatsoever
His arc is completed in 2.
Anonymous No.717391862 >>717392028 >>717392094
>>717391685
One of you has outlined their problems with halo 3's story and one of you has exclusively spoke in abstractions without actually saying anything. I'd say one (and only one) of you has contributed to the overall discourse to a significantly higher level. And buddy, it ain't you.
Anonymous No.717391864
Two Scarabs I repeat two Scarabs
Anonymous No.717391914
>>717388913
>>717389058
wow, /v/ really is the brainlet board, truly the shittiest place to talk about video games
Anonymous No.717391925 >>717392831
>>717391794
2 being the middle point of a 3 parter is the reason why this cannot be the case.
And if you're going to use the fact 3 was never supposed to be made to begin with and the story was supposed to end in 2 if Bungie had actually gotten the time to finish that game, then the same could be said for MC yet his arc continues in 3. So no, Arbiter's arc was not completed in 2.
Anonymous No.717392028
>>717391862
Stop it, you're actually trying to apply sense to the discussion and that retard cannot comprehend that. Instead he will continue to talk about people with arguments needing to 'impress' him regarding whatever the fuck he thinks the ending to 3 is supposed to mean. Probably some stupid bullshit he made up in his tiny retarded mind if the rest of his shitposts is anything to go by.
Anonymous No.717392094 >>717392470
>>717391862
My original post is here >>717384819
Anon responded here >>717388913
complaining to me with a bunch of inane complaints that show he missed the point of the story. (I didn't ask for him to respond to me).

I asserted anon missed the point of the story and asked him to prove to me that he did understand it.
Which he hasn't done.

If you think my posts are so bad you can simply stop responding.
You won't though, you're made of seethe.
Anonymous No.717392126 >>717392243
>>717384385 (OP)
Humanaity are the real flood
Anonymous No.717392243
>>717392126
DEEP
Anonymous No.717392250
>>717390635
The two ark missions are peak so it makes up for it.
>>717390692
His mission(s)that were supposed to introduce him in 2 was cut due to poor time management/crunch. Which is why we have his super long cutscene instead.
Then there was a change of writers and creative control for 3, hence why he isn't used that well.
Anonymous No.717392338
>>717391317
Basically this with covenant species instead
Anonymous No.717392386
ty for reminding me to listen to breaking benjamin today
Anonymous No.717392405 >>717392483 >>717392524
So are there any (public) drafts or concepts or scrawled napkin notes of Halo 3's original story pre-Halo 2 getting trimmed down? I know that 3 was largely built off of all the unfinished stuff planned for the second act of 2, but where did Bungie plan on going from there?
Anonymous No.717392470 >>717392760
>>717392094
You have once again said absolutely nothing in so many words. Firstly, pick whether or not he doesn't understand the ending or the "point of the story" because you've flip flopped between the two several times now. Secondly, what is it then? If you're not actually going to articulate your thoughts I'm going to assume they do not exist
Anonymous No.717392483
>>717392405
>plan
Anonymous No.717392524
>>717392405
In the Halo: Reach dev commentary video, Marty jokes that Jorge teleported to the same place Master Chief is.
Anonymous No.717392621
>>717388913
>Miranda becomes a suicidal retard
Miranda was always a suicidal retard. Her entire character in Halo 2 consists of mindlessly throwing herself and/or her ship into situations she can't win or get out of.
Anonymous No.717392760 >>717393267
>>717392470
>Firstly, pick whether or not he doesn't understand the ending or the "point of the story" because you've flip flopped between the two several times now.
One and the same.
>Secondly, what is it then?
No no no.
You tell me what I want to hear
And by that I mean, I am not asking you to tell me my own personal interpretation of the ending, which does exist, I am asking you to tell me what exactly happens in Halo 3's ending, what about it is strange, and your own personal interpretation of what happened.
If I find all of that satisfying, I'll start to consider your opinion that Halo 3 wasn't the best possible ending for the Halo series.
Anonymous No.717392831 >>717393747
>>717391925
>2 being the middle point of a 3 parter is the reason why this cannot be the case.
The arbiter isn't in 1, so how does that make any sense?
Anonymous No.717393072
>>717384385 (OP)
Honestly it just need another act/another decent set of levels and it would've been absolute perfection
Anonymous No.717393137 >>717393486
Its only job is to prepare you to fight real aliens in the near future. We'll probably fight them the exact same way controlling spartan androids.
Anonymous No.717393267 >>717393640
>>717392760
Nothing about halo 3s ending is strange. No one ever called it strange. Why are you literally just making things up.
>One and the same.
No they aren't. The point of a story isn't the ending. A story doesn't exist for any one part of it (except MAYBE its themes). To say the entire reason a story exists is just for its ending is outright not true.
Anonymous No.717393486
>>717393137
Go read Armada, then come back and say that with a straight face.
Anonymous No.717393640 >>717394027
>>717393267
>Nothing about halo 3s ending is strange.
Ok. Well I think you're stupid and simply unqualified to judge Halo 3's quality.
>The point of a story isn't the ending.
Plenty of stories are structured that way.
Halo 3's ending, if you look at a certain way, does recontextualize both Johnson and Miranda's deaths.
You can call them dumb deaths, but you can also take literally any story and argue that it has faulty logistics.
This is an unfortunately popular method of "critique"
Unless you understand what the story is trying to do, I can't really care less whether you think it's executed badly.

If you could come up with a better death for Johnson and Miranda that fits with the themes of the story, then I'd listen to your complaints about their deaths being stupid.

But you can't even begin to bring yourself to describe to me what happened in the story's ending, not even what it meant, merely what happened, so I don't believe you've understood it.
Anonymous No.717393701
>>717384385 (OP)
Add back the scene where Arby opens the foreunner sarcophagus
Anonymous No.717393723
I feel like the covenant side is boring without the elites. Grunts, jackals and hunters don’t contribute to the story, and brutes are just there because they are more controllable retards. IMO the story should have pivoted to guilty spark being the villain much earlier.
Anonymous No.717393747
>>717392831
He was in 1, although he didn't have a big role yet as introduced in 2's intro.
Anonymous No.717394027 >>717394161 >>717396546
>>717393640
>But you can't even begin to bring yourself to describe to me what happened in the story's ending,
Because you've at this point wholly convinced me it would be a complete waste of my time. It took you THIS long to actually say anything concrete and even then you could barely bring yourself to do it. Your only actual thought was you don't think Johnson and Miranda had stupid deaths. Great, I'd go so far as to agree! In the context of the story their deaths really aren't that egregious. Too bad your rational for it was (once again) completely abstract and devoid of any substance! The other dude was right this is a total waste of my time, I can't believe I was ever at any point interested in what you had to say. Enjoy talking to yourself
Anonymous No.717394161 >>717395186
>>717394027
What makes you think I owe you my thoughts?
You entitled bitch?
Anonymous No.717395005
>>717384385 (OP)
to war
Anonymous No.717395186
>>717394161
He's a schizophrenic, retarded entitled bitch. Don't entertain him he's not worth it.
Anonymous No.717396546
I'd probably add in one or two Arbiter solo missions and add in a scene where he discovers a forerunner skeleton in the casket, leaving him to grapple with the revelation. I'd also have him fighting Truth in a solo confrontation similar to Halo 2's cut ending. Aside from that it mostly sticks the landing after Halo 2, which is more than I can say for most trilogy ending games, especially with what came after.

>>717394027
How do you feel about Halo 4 out of curiosity
Anonymous No.717397219
>Replace crow's nest with a new mombasa type level w/ some dense cityscape
>Remove Cortana and replace with the cut guardian level
easy
Anonymous No.717398380
The players that hated Halo 2's story attempts to expand the universe are what fucked Halo 3's story in the ass and the playtesters who were moronic only made it worse
Halo 3 as a game is good but the story is by far the weakest in the original trilogy
Anonymous No.717398695 >>717401003
>flood allies with you for just a single section
best way to highlight the gravity of the situation when the biggest bad in the setting helps you out to stop the end of the universe
still a gravemind boss fight would been better than just blowing up high charity
Anonymous No.717401003
>>717398695
best part imo