>villain's ideology is complete insane nonsense only a psycho would agree with
>games go "he's kinda lowkey right though"
why does this happen?
he's "highkey" right, as the kids say
list ONE thing he was wrong about
He highlighted real problems.
>>717384604cherry blossoms are comfy
>>717384604weak people deserve to die for the crime of being born disadvantaged
>>717384798Maybe he was right. We should kill off all the people born defective.
>>717384531hey wtf i was about to post that
might makes right is an easily understood and emotionally appealing philosophy. if you were born privileged you benefit the most from it
>>717384986Very deep. Thanks for sharing, have some gold, fellow redittor.
>>717384476 (OP)He's right about the limpdick bureucrats and politicians in general
but.. he is also a hypocrite
>>717385216should have made it with wojaks instead
>>717384604He has a fundamental misunderstanding of the executive branch and its powers.
>>717384604Anarchism is dumb
>>717384476 (OP)The unenlightened masses cannot make the judgement call, unironically
>>717384476 (OP)I just imagined him being Donald Trump, and it makes me laugh at how strangely in character it was despite Trump and Armstrong being two different people
>>717385508Does he? Modern day proves that the "checks and balances" are pretty much working purely on the honor system and there's nothing the citizens can do if they collude together, or get paid off or intimidated by the executive branch
Alright, /v/. Big brain academy time. How would (you) accomplish the goal of fixing the problems Armstrong points out, without using his retarded and obviously purely self beneficial methods and stated ideals? Hard mode: no gommunism :DDD
>>717384957Great! When will you kill yourself?
>>717384476 (OP)He's right that the bureaucracy has corruption have rotted the US government and that they have far too much control over the people and the free market. He is insane to think that anarchy is the solution but the fantasy is very appealing to people who want to see the system torn down and the concept of the American Dream revived.
t. gun-toting American who hates the government
>>717385806bureaucracy and corruption*
I reworded that a couple times and didn't check my grammar
>>717385741Make a new version of foxdie that targets Jews.
tracer tong was a better argument than armstrong
>>717385741straight democratic process for every single executive decision in the government
>>717385741Obviously this would be impossible to crunch down into a post on 4chan dot org but I think education is the starting point. US literacy is horrendous and we spend an insane amount of money on it that largely goes to administrative staff who contribute nothing of value. If we can get kids to learn how to fuckin read and do some basic math by the time they turn 18 we can start worrying about the next steps.
>>717385741Tax the rich, isolate the jews.
>>717385741Acknowledge that most of the institutions that exist no longer make sense to implement on a modern society in the way the founding fathers envisioned them
The supreme court with no term/age limits is an insane idea, congress should not be allowed to make decisions that affect their own positions, salary and what they're allowed to do or not, which encourages insane levels of corruption (see: insider trading), gerrymandering shouldn't even be possible, districts should be drawn by wholly independent regulators, the electoral college needs to go since it was created for the express purpose of keeping representation limited to only land owners as a compromise with the founding fathers who didn't want a full democracy
>>717386149with a 51% cutoff for passing? how do you prevent the in-power group from buying votes or just importing more?
>>717385806>t. gun-toting American who hates the governmentNever gonna do anything about it are ya
>>717384986>a 2012 9gag image
>>717386313Saying that kids should be able to read is racist.
>>717385741Every 4 years, we are allowed to vote to kill politicians we don't like.
>>717384476 (OP)He addresses real problems, its his solutions that are insane. Games do this to make the villain feel more compelling instead of being a bland saturday morning cartoon character, and it works.
>>717386361Nah, make too much money and live too well. Heinlein was 100% right in the moon is a harsh mistress. If you want to get major support you gotta make things worse before they can get better.
>>717385759I wasn't born defective. That kid with 3 limbs and only 1 of them is functional? Shoulda taken a flight out the hospital window.
>>717386130The strongest part of Armstrong's argument is his delivery. If a strong and charismatic person says something with enough energy, anyone will want to believe it.
>>717386331>the electoral college needs to go since it was created for the express purpose of keeping representation limited to only land owners as a compromise with the founding fathers who didn't want a full democracyas a non burger the whole thing with the electoral college and debate around it interests me. doesn't it directly go against the idea of "one man, one vote" if up to half of those votes are essentially thrown out? and the founding fathers didn't actually want democracy? the US is weird
>>717385741Put me in charge with complete and total power. I then abuse this power to forcefully invade the privacy of every politician and rich person, and kill them if I don't like what I see. I then make a new constitution and spend billions on propaganda to ensure that my successors do this as well. We should also invest into concentration camps for children that traumatize them into being good citizens who are kind and nice to their neighbors.
>>717384604Raiden beat them therefor by his own ideology he was wrong
>>717386667I don't think escalationism works. All you do is alienate people to your cause and strengthen the opposition's opinion.
Isn’t his like ultimate point just that whoever is strongest decides what is right?
It’s ludicrously cynical and misanthropic but totally coherent
>>717384476 (OP)>>717384531He is lowkey right tho
all power is just a product of force. Politics, democracy, culturalism, all of these are just applications of force with a big strong man telling them how to apply it and where it needs to go.
He is, in fact, Donald Trump's platform before Donald Trump ran for president. HIs ideology is that the only real right is might, so be the mightiest and you're the rightest. Can you look at the modern world, and say he's wrong?
>>717385508>He has a fundamental misunderstanding of the executive branch and its powers.We have a sitting president who has a fundamental misunderstanding of the executive branch and its powers, but does that stop him? He still rules like a dictator and gets everything he wants.
The only thing that was ever stopping the checks and balances is if someone decides to not listen. Not actually because he can't do it.
>>717386874The electoral college sucks until you live in a remote and sparsely populated area, then you need it if you want any representation at all. Otherwise the majority will always ignore your concerns in favor of their own because you're out of sight and out of mind.
>>717386874One man one vote became a popular phrase about a century after the revolution, the founding fathers were openly anti-democracy. I think it was Franklin who said "democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner"
>>717384604Cutting children's skulls open and scooping out their brains and installing them into combat robots is wrong. But everything else he was right about. He's only guilty of one incensing crime.
>>717384986this is supposed to be funny but it's hard to say exactly what the joke is
>>717387075>then you need it if you want any representation at allunless your not a republican, then your vote is thrown away
>>717386874The electoral college exists to let republicans win elections
Otherwise, the blue densely populated cities would always win against the sparsely populated red rural towns
Is it anti-democratic to make it so a vote in California is only worth 1/4th of a vote in bumfuck Wyoming? Arguably yes but it won't get removed as long as it benefits those in power
The only time in the last 50 years that this hasn't been the case was in 2024, which is a very sketchy election to begin with but you're no longer allowed to question election results
Raiden's only takeaway from any of Armstrong's incoherent rambling was "some people literally will not fucking stop until they are dead, that's where you come in"
Claiming Raiden's killing of him as an ideological victory and a passing of the torch was perhaps the most weak-kneed action Armstrong ever took that was actually on screen, eclipsing even his statement of not writing his own speeches. It is on par with congratulating yourself for predicting the sun coming up the next morning
>>717386986You're correct except it sounds like you haven't read the book I referenced. Very good read, but essentially the escalation is handled by creating scenarios where the state in power is compelled to overstep its bounds and there is seemingly no one on the revolutionaries' side to blame for their actions. In such a scenario(when the revolutionaries don't fuck up) the public favor of course shifts more towards disrest against the state.
>>717387130I'd try explaining it but it woodwind up going nowhere.
>>717385741> How would (you) accomplish the goal of fixing the problems Armstrong points out, without using his retarded and obviously purely self beneficial methods and stated ideals? Hard mode: no gommunism :DDDLiterally just implement the most stringent anti-corruption measures imaginable. One-strike policies for corruption, outlaw gerrymandering, corporate lobbying is strictly regulated and punished with jailtime for all involved. Make interference with the federal government a crime that is so severe that only an insane person would risk ever crossing them and only a suicidal company would risk trying to buy its way to favoritism.
Of course this doesn't work because the federal government is the way it is because the people there are weak and they like that.
>>717384798That's America rn, and if you disagree with it or not- doesn't change the fact that this is how reality works at the current moment. Have one moment where you're not the most fit and financially stable, and people can legally take advantage of you to either steal from you legally or just destroy you for not being able to fight back.
>>717387075the biggest states still have millions of republican voters and are the backbone of their voter base, the EC just lets them edge out a victory by throwing away blue votes in smaller states
>>717387078i used the googles to check and he probably didn't actually say that but the more i hear about benjamin franklin the more it seems he was, to use a turn of phrase, "based"
>>717387219why are the cities always blue and everywhere else always red?
>>717387219If you only allowed the most populated states to have every say in every vote and in every policy in the US, half of the states would just Cede.
Do you really think the founding fathers didn't think about that? The only way they convinced states to join this United States experiment was because they promised fair representation no matter how far out or how underpopulated you were. If you mess with that, you may as well throw the American experiment in the garbage because it'll just become a dictatorship in all but name as it becomes a game of seeing how many suburbanites you can trick into voting for you with free handouts.
>>717387236it's also further proven by what Raiden does afterwards: he helps the literal weakest people, children who's entire bodies were stolen, without exploiting them, without leaving them to die
if he had followed Armstrong's philosophy he wouldn't have bothered
But Armstrong's whole philosophy could have only been dreamt up by a person who never had to struggle for anything in their lives, Raiden has experienced struggle first hand and he knows it sucks
>>717387384>why are the cities always blue and everywhere else always red?This didn't actually used to be the case, the answer is Gerrymandering. Which both blue and red states do. Did you know California is close to 43% republican but has nine republican representatives out of 52? Change the borders of every district enough and you can fudge numbers to get any result you want.
Cities are blue because they min-maxed gerrymandering first.
>>717387402>it becomes a game of seeing how many suburbanites you can trick into voting for you with free handouts.You act like that hasn't already been happening for decades.
>>717387402>you may as well throw the American experiment in the garbage because it'll just become a dictatorship in all but nameFunny that you say that
>>717387625in a way he's the only thing that can save the US democracy
if he plays his hand too fast and too hard and provokes the military into dropping him and honoring their oaths to the constitution
>>717387529okay but putting aside the actual numerical split (which as you said changes depending on solid border lines), what about just the general difference in opinion and voting in the first place? it seems like the US is actually entitely urban vs rural and the color coding is just a book cover.
>>717385669He predicted maga
>>717384476 (OP)>why does this happen?You only throw the Monopoly board when you're losing.
>>717387113idk that's pretty fuckin metal tho
>>717387518There's a point where Raiden points this out to him and he goes
>and yet despite you struggling and being born in poverty and conflict you survived, so i'm right!
>>717387402>half of the states would just Cedeliterally not my problem
>>717387776Then go volunteer for it. No, really. Go organize volunteers to be implanted in the robot frames so the Military Armstrong Complex won't need conscripts to do it.
>>717387859ok
sign me up coach
>>717387724I'd say that Armstrong is the only character, even if he is fictional, who fully lived up to the hype the internet built up for Trump, whether they were being serious or "doing it for the lulz" or not.
>>717387797not to mention that he brags about the university of Texas as if that isn't a cozy upper class 1st world institution and Raiden isn't even the slightest impressed with it
>>717384476 (OP)Because people are so tired of feeling like their politicians either don't care, can't do anything, or both, that someone emerging from a killer robot and saying that society sucks is a promising breath of fresh air.
>>717384476 (OP)>i'm going to end war as a business>with one last war for businesswhat
>>717388092Same as people who revolt against authoritarians, take absolute power to "tear down the structures of oppression and control" then suddenly become dictators out of nowhere
>>717387113I think I'd rather be a combat robot than grow up as a homeless kid in Brazil.
>>717385741Crazy idea: not engaging in mindless malevolence towards literally everyone who isn't a billionaire.
>>717388089One of the funniest conversations in the whole game once you have the full picture is Kevin mentioning that Armstrong didn't see combat while serving in the Navy and his actual military history isn't specified, meaning nothing of note happened in it, so every single thing he does and his obsession with fighting is just him being pissed he didn't see any action in his glory years
>>717384604I don't really think he could've gone pro
>>717388207All they want is the power to oppress those who they believe are acceptable targets.
Government and politics are interesting and I wish all discourse about it was as weirdly boring and conversational as /v/ Metal Gear threads (sometimes).
>>717385741Literal nanny state. All woman are given hormones to promote accentuated figures, lactation, and maternal feelings. All men are given growth suppressants to keep them small and cute.
Wait, sorry are we on /v/ right now?
>>717385741>Big brain academy timeExpel the jew, ban corn syrup and most fast food franchises, ban television like kardashians and modern family, publicly hang John Oliver, Jimmy Kimmel, Seth Meyers, and napalm and feather Jon Stewart and Steven Colbert then publicly immolate them.
Then expel women from all occupations except early childcare. Firing squads for women from HR offices.
Build a border wall equivalent to Israel's, with crow turrets and surface to air missiles, and seismic detection of underground tunnels. Sink all boats from Africa and China, and freeze the border in both directions. (((CEO))) that offshored their companies will be shot.
>>717388227>Brazilyou would lack the computational intelligence necessary to operate an articulating robot chassis.
>>717388918pov you are a spraytanned 80 year old
>>717388918Americans who think isolationism will work for a country that transitioned to an administrative economy decades ago are real cute
>>717384604>wants to make a world of nonstop war and survival of the fittest>it means him and his buddies have instant advantage over everyone with nanotech and the best upgrades in the business>Nothing will ultimately survive in the end due to endless warfare and everyone having the license to kill everyone else>all this from a guy who doesn't understand war or violence and just bought the best upgradesIts crazy how anyone thinks he's sane.
>>717388089He brags about Texas because it is a college football powerhouse and traditionally ran a physical scheme. He’s not saying the school is poor, third worlder (non-American). He’s saying that playing there means that he IS physically tough.
>>717389146>doesn't understand warHe played football in the SEC. He knows war better than anyone in the MGS universe.
>>717388373and even further compounding it is that he was in the navy
a rich kid in the navy as an officer, he was never seeing any action what so ever, he'd be comfortably stationed even in case of war on a carrier group that would have had 0 chance of being threatened by whatever middle eastern shithole was being bombed into oblivion
he wouldn't even have given any orders to bomb anything, he would have just helped keep the ship running so someone else could give the orders and yet someone else would press the button to launch the missile
>>717389272He's trying to present it as a rough-and-tumble school because he's larping hard as a grassroots senator and he's obsessed with power, University of Texas is a VERY cushy school.
Ah yes
>Survival of the fittest
>Fucking loses
Where have I seen this one before?
>>717389272and the fact he's bragging about this to a literal child soldier just makes it sound completely hollow
yes it's a physical scheme and yes it's a college football powerhouse, but it's STILL a rich kid's club with only the shallowest veneer
>>717389387>survival of the fittest>historical footage of rocking in his seat on a meth high at the olympics
>>717386983No? He was mightier therefore could say what is right. If he was not then he could not.
>>717389069Who said anything about wanting the system to work?
>>717387130Armstrong was born advantaged, and you're having a guy who never actually had to fight or work hard for anything tell you everyone needs to fight and kill and die. Raiden is his perfect folly. Raiden basically lived Armstrong's ideology while Armstrong comes from a place of privilege and thinks he knows what it means to fight and struggle for your ideals. Armstrong is right about some things, but they're things that most people already acknowledge are bad so he gets you on his side by appealing to that.
>>717389372No he’s not. He didn’t say “I went to the U of T”, he said “I played college ball at the U of T”. His bragging refers to his D1 football talent. Not the academics.
>>717389429Surechild soldiers far outclass D1 athletes in toughness.
>>717384476 (OP)because his oponents are event worst
>>717389387>Fought Russia, England, America, and resistance in France all at the same time.Yes, anon. And the Zerg with starcraft battles all the time. Stalin wasted 40 million of his citizens to beat the silly moustache frankfurter man.
>>717385741I don't think Armstrongs problems are real. War? The places America invaded experienced a rapid growth in life expectancy and GDP. Media bullshit? 50% of the population is just retarded, start fixing that with eliminating lead etc etc
>>717388918You have my vote
>>717389609>be Napoleon>win 6/7 wars of the coalition>lose the last one>haha I guess that means we were better
His idea to make a new America based on might is right makes no sense. How does that society even work in practice. Saying big words and being vague and philosophical sounds cool but means nothing in reality. Is what matters the strength of an individual? What stops someone from hiring multiple strong people to kill them? Then they hire even more people. Then you have armies. Then you have civil war. Then America is at the mercy of the world powers who are operating normally.
The writers clearly wanted someone who sounds kind of cool to lull retards into thinking this writing is profound. Solidus made more sense by just trying to install a breakaway republic using the Metal Gears as a failsafe.
>>717389590He's bragging about his college ball days, is accused of going to a nepo-baby school, then proudly responds he went to the OTHER nepo-baby school.
>>717389609and in turn they raped Germany so hard it's like 20% slav genes at this point
>>717389609With allies like Italy, Japan, Romania, Finland.... Picking a losing battle isn't strength nigga, it's stupidity and a fault in your system
>>717384476 (OP)The reason people like Armstrong so much is because it's easy to twist his words into whatever they want. Some people think he's talking about rich vs poor, others think he's talking about literal nonstop wars in america until theres one leader in charge until he gets his ass kicked and replaced by someone stronger, some think its not literal might makes right but political instead
>>717389609And Stalin won and the USSR became the most powerful nation on Earth and remained in that joint position for decades to come. Doesn't matter how you win as long as you win.
you can tell people itt watch hasan
>>717389696>How does that society even work in practiceJust like the 1950's when everything was manufactured in America because Europe and Japan were both burning ashpits.
>>717389696Armstrong is written as somebody who deeply admires Solidus Snake while having absolutely no idea what Solidus Snake wanted or why he did what he did.
>>717389696Because no one can come to a consensus on what he actually means by "the strong" some people think he's just talking about the fatcats in charge vs the general public
>>717389786So you believe geopolitical might makes right? I agree.
>>717389758>the USSR became the most powerful nation on EarthCope tankie, the US always mogged it
>>717389758Where's USSR now
>>717389758>Stalin wonHe died in his own vomit and went undiscovered for days because none of his underlings were willing to enter his dwelling.
Oh, and the fall of communism was the most humiliating single even in human history. Russia is still a joke, and so are the rest of their puppet states.
>>717384604The logical conclusion of his ideology would be a Somalia-style civil war, the near-total destruction of his country, and its subsequently being plundered of anything of value by foreign powers.
>>717389786A lot of that also had to do with actually having manufacturing know-how, which in no small part came from the New Deal securing menial jobs for the vast majority of the American populace. We did uplift China into a manufacturing giant for a reason, we didn't actually want to manufacture stuff.
>>717386149>See that drug addicted beggar over there?>Yeah he has the same say as you do about your future I love democracy
>>717389874And how did the US do that? By destroying Germany after it had destroyed Europe and destroying Japan after it had destroyed Asia. The US knocked out its competition and became the most powerful nation to ever exist. I'm not supporting one side or the other, I'm just saying that both the USA and USSR used underhanded tactics to win and become dominant and there is nothing wrong with that.
>>717389874>>717389901Sorry bwos cosmonauts made it to space first, Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin went up there because the gubberment thought they were gonna build a moon base to spy on and shoot at the Russkies and abandoned space when they learned that was retarded (I am not making this up)
*creates a society based on his own ideals*
*kills everyone who disagrees with him*
*destroys the sandcastles his ideological opponents had created*
Cope and seethe, Stalin won BIGLY
>>717389962>beggars going to voteShapiro and Carlson will have you believe the polls look like a soup line while also complaining the country's so drugged up no one does anything. But they vote!
>>717389696Makes no sense? It is happening as we speak. Except in reality, "might" means being rich. In 2025, being Rich makes you right.
>>717389930>the New Deal securing menial jobs for the vast majority of the American populaceThe New Deal gave jobs raking leaves and shovelling gravel to the american populace. The American populace learned manufacturing from assembling artillery shells and tanks in converted car factories owned by General Motors in the 1940's
>>717389964The US’s global location makes it the only intelligent, populated nation on one half of the planet so it has no threats and is extremely hard to invade. The US was also already the most powerful nation, it just hadn’t entered the war yet.
>>717389901Dead because Stalin was its only competent leader. Lenin was a total retard and so were Stalin's successors.
>>717389912>He died in his own vomitSo? Hitler shot himself in the head. Their deaths were equally embarrassing.
>Russia is still a jokeHow? Russia is nowhere near what they were and China is undeniably the strongest between them, but how? Ukraine? They're going to win just at a major cost. You may have an irrational hatred of Russia because you're likely from the Baltic states but that isn't an objective viewpoint.
>>717390047>they votethey vote for the welfare state, yes.
>>717390101>The New Deal gave jobs raking leaves and shovelling gravel to the american populacealso building statues and monuments, painting murals, community projects, etc etc
Russiabros your GDP per capita is 2 NVDA GPUs
>>717390016>refuses to elaborate>dies face down on the floor in a puddle of his own vomit>decomposition sets in because none of his attendants entered his room after his deathStalin is literally one of those unmarried spinster women who die alone and go undiscovered in their houses until after their bodies start rotting.
>>717390160I have never heard a compelling argument against a welfare state. It always boils down to an enraged Protestant shrieking that I did not work for it, and the enraged Protestant is not thinking clearly enough to come to the conclusion he also would not be working for his own handout.
>>717390129The 'hard to invade' factor becomes irrelevant the second a nation obtains nuclear weapons. Besides, its not like Americans dont have a penchant for killing each other. America was strong but it still had multiple nations competing against it. It just got lucky enough to have the perfect storm where all of these competitors save for one killed each other into irrelevancy.
>>717390129Helps that they pillaged and sabotaged everything south of them for like a century
They tried that with the north and the canucks burned down the white house
>>717390260Stalin literally had dozens of kids with multiple women, some of whom were married or underage>m
>>717390169>painting muralsOh yes, painting certainly teaches how to build skyscrapers or work in an automobile factory.
>>717390016You can only really hate Stalin if you're from one of the countries that Stalin conquered. I myself am, but I try to not act like an emotional woman crying about the abusive ex husband and try to view history objectively.
>>717390269Well you see, my tax dollars going towards feeding children, treating the sick and helping the old is bad while my tax dollars going towards bailing out billionaires when they gamble and lose is good
Why? They billionaires said so
>>717390320shut the fuck up i'm busy talking about the new deal and wishing we'd ever get a second one before the dissolution of the american empire
>>717389609If you managed to start a fight with four separate global powers simultaneously, that's not a sign of how great you are, it's a sign that you are fundamentally terrible at diplomacy, and to paraphrase another famous German, "war is the continuation of diplomacy by other means".
>>717390269Who's paying for that?
>>717390313Nta but I read a biography on Stalin and none of that was mentioned
>>717390368Don't forget Israel. Fuck the poor. Fuck the unfortunate. More money to Israel!
>>717389473Half true, the difference is that Raiden is the Kenshiro style of the strong serve to protect the weak but overall they both still think the strong should be ontop
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>>717384798>being born disadvantagedstop putting words in his mouth because you're too retarded to make an actual argument
Raiden is the premier example of his ideology and he was a malnourished child soldier who clawed his way to success with nothing but effort through the disadvantages
>>717390406My government and its fiat currency which is worth something because of bonds purchased by the rest of the world.
You can do anything when your imaginary money is accepted as legal tender!
>>717390407Try Kotkin, back when he was exiled in Siberia he got one teenager pregnant
>>717390269>I have never heard a compelling argument against a welfare stateHere you go.
>trannies from r/antiwork unironically in this thread
>>717390401Debunked by Napoleon THOUGH. There was no diplomacy he could have engaged in that would prevent the monarchies from hanging up on him forever
>revisionism gone wild
>misinterpreting everything from a videogame
>destructive dogmas based on hallucinations of geopolitics
>pearl clutching and paranoia treated as prophecies
These threads are some of the scariest threads on 4chan. They always remind me how absolutely retarded the common man is and that all of you likely voted or will vote.
>>717390401>it's a sign that you are fundamentally terrible at diplomacyChurchill wanted war with Germany, not the other way around.
>>717390480>Someone I didn't like received welfare benefits so I am now radicalized against the entire conceptYou should stay on Twitter with the 75% of all website traffic being botted. I'm sure the other four groypers remaining are getting lonely without you. Or maybe that Grok ERP feature will keep you company.
>>717390467I only read one biography per person so I shall not. Right now I am reading Napoleon III, who was a gigantic womanizer.
>>717390434Yeah? So what if gaming circlejerk is raiding this place? They're getting their transfaggot asses kicked.
>>717390442And he only turned out a dysfunctional fuck up who can't do anything of value but kill people, he can't even maintain a family
>>717386874>one man, one vote"nobody wanted that when originally making the constitution
universal suffrage and direct democracy do nothing but ruin a country and the founding fathers were well aware of that fact, the electoral college was invented specifically so that each state still has adequate representation or else they have no reason to not secede and become their own nation with their own policies
>>717390467>get exiled somewhere>start knocking up local teensMaybe he wasn't so bad after all
>>717390269Imagine a 3 legged race where you're racing against mass poverty and starvation. The person tied to your legs has been told that losing the race is an impossibility and that you will just win it for them. That's a welfare state.
>>717390615I highly doubt there's a raid. The pace of replies has been the same since the thread started. They're just mad more people are shitting on Hitler and Stalin and no one's screaming ZASED.
>>717390551I’ve never voted but I do pledge allegiance to the US military as the world’s mightiest entity. If they told me to shoot people I’d only ask how many
>>717390401>start a fight with four separate global powers simultaneously>germany started it
>>717387518>if he had followed Armstrong's philosophy he wouldn't have botheredHe was following armstrong's philosophy by doing so you retard. He is strong so he gets to make the rules and if his rules say the innocent weak get protected then that's how its going to go
>>717390683My nigger why are you talking about legs and races when the subject is something big as an economic system
>>717390551If you're so smart then btfo everyone in this thread on either side.
>>717390631The electoral college was made so enormous western and southern states wouldn't kick the fucking asses of the New England bourgeois in elections
>>717390558Churchill wasn't even prime minister when the hostilities started, the appeasement doctrine was the dominant school of thought because everyone was scared shitless of another great war, so they let Hitler get away with a lot of shit they shouldn't have (see: Sudetenland)
>>717390748Why are you incapable of scaling things up?
>>717384604He is far too gone into the whole "chad" ideology
>Durr, i must beat everyone else and be the sole victor hereSo dumb. His point was totally defeated, quite literally. I mean it, he got beaten the fuck up and thats the best argument agaisnt this ideology. The very same people who propose this often would end up on the chopping block themselves.
>>717390625>can't do anything of value but kill peopleThat the single most valuable skill in reality and entitles him to be the biggest decisionmaker in all matters which he uses to protect those who support him.
Also what a fucking woman argument
>your apartment was spartan you're inhuman!
>>717390448Why would they use those funds to support people who contribute nothing instead of just killing you?
>>717390748It's the technique of the grifter. Say something is bad but don't explain, just use a metaphor for something being bad. Reduce complex topics into hamburger metaphors and sports analogies and you win!
>>717390683This is exactly the thing my own post was talking about, it's a Protestant work-ethic styled seethe that my work is benefiting the less fortunate and it's not thinking about how I am also receiving that welfare. It's a raising of baseline. I'm not uplifting retards with my own hard work and not seeing any return, I'm uplifting everyone as is everyone else around me.
What do I fucking care if somebody drunk and sleeping in a puddle of their own vomit at the train station at 2 AM is receiving free healthcare? I am too. I have no reason to be mad. I have no reason to think he's undeserving and that therefore the whole system should not exist. What is this?
The treaty of Versailles was financial fraud and its defrauding of the German economy gave Adolf Hitler his opening into power.
>>717390834The 'might makes right' shit only applies to geopolitics because every single leader thinks that way and not one single leader thinks about the moral ramifications of their actions. Ironically, applying it to a domestic setting weakens your nation and lines it up for destruction by a more powerful one.
>>717390869Another grifter technique is to post meta arguments and definitions instead of presenting an actual argument
>>717390016And here I was thinking that I was the only one who thought that Senator Armstrong and Stalin had a disturbing number of similarities.
>>7173902691. It doesn't go far enough. That is to say, it's not socialism, and therefore is structurally vulnerable to being dismantled by capitalists unless an external socialist state or an internal socialist/unionist movement exists to credibly threaten the system and force it to grant concessions.
2. If you let people who exist outside the political community (ie. foreigners) get in on it without qualification, you breed resentment and risk dragging down your productive capacity.
The Republican argument is as you say totally invalid. Welfarism is only credibly objected to from socialist, nationalist, or both (ie. fascist) positions, and the argument there is really only that you have to do it harder.
>>717390862Why wouldn't they kill the rich lobbyists in their own homes if "you contrbute nothing to society" is their actual reasoning? It isn't, of course, since they have a gun on me and not the rich lobbyists. So they don't really give a shit about people being wastes.
>>717390943>Anyone who counters me is a grifter!>doesn't even refute their grifting technique
>>717390558>>717390729Who invaded Poland on September 1, 1939?
>>717384476 (OP)he was just salty he missed the wild west.
>>717391065>inb4 poland killed 6 gorillion germans in the danzig corridorNever happened and debunked even by David Irving
>Use government gibs to bait out failing businesses during COVID was fine
>Use government gibs to better the lives of the poor however is not
Explain
>>717391065The Soviet Union
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland
>>717391045I wasn’t part of that conversation until that reply but I see you’re flustered
>>717391065What the fuck does England have to say about Poland, and why didn't they say it to Russia?
Truly the ultimate tragedy of the war is that Hitler and Stalin didn't settle their differences and obliterate the British and their Jew masters.
>>717390862Because they want a servile slave class to fulfill their insane theo-philosophical prophecies
The ruling class are not sane people, they don't rape kids because they get the most pleasure from it they rape kids because they have a theological mandate to mix good and evil together
>>717391171>bait out failing businesses during COVIDWhen did this happen?
>>717390269Do you understand what "net" means?
You call this a raid? Everything's still on topic and conversations are just continuing normally. I was promised the blight of trannies. Unless...I'm the tranny?
>>717391212>What the fuck does England have to say about PolandPoland sought their and France's protection. Foolishly.
>Why didn't they say it to Russia?They couldn't beat Russia.
>>717391171No one said the top part
>>717391212>Marx and LeninStalin's masters were jews, you fool.
>>717391235When the government gave out business loans and then proceed to write them off.
>>717390874Okay but you understand that a certain baseline of work needs to get done in order for us to have the things we have correct? Food doesn't just show up in the grocery store. So if everybody in society is convinced that food does just show up in the store and they don't have to work, we have a pretty fuckin big problem. That isn't to say everybody should be breaking their back 7 days a week, but a welfare state incentivizes the average person to be a bum.
>>717391210>umad?Got them.
>>717391259They couldn't beat Germany either. America and Russia beat Germany, which means that British should really keep quiet.
>>717391272Read Yockey
>>717390732That's life in general, dumbfuck. It's so primal you can't even really consider that an ideology.
>oh you're using your strength to kill me and help people? heh...that means I win...
>>717391357Yet people decry it as illogical all the time
>>717391171Businesses generate both jobs for the poor (as well as other social classes) and taxes for the state, therefore it is more in the interest of the state to make sure that businesses do not go under.
Money for the poor on the other hand carries substantially less guarantee that you will see a positive return from that investment (i.e. the poor lifting themselves out of poverty and thus paying more taxes).
>>717391347>They couldn't beat Germany eitherThey could've. The Saar Offensive was successful. German troops were holed up in Poland. An invasion from the West would've collapsed the Reich. But WW2 was a providential canon event so it could not have ended any other way.
>>717384476 (OP)Comes down to having a good speech writer and being charismatic.
Same reason people are brainwashed to support pedos like trump.
>>717391269People who said the top part are opposed to the bottom part.
>>717391420Isn't the entire point of the free market that failing businesses should fail?
>>717391289We're already pumping billions of dollars into "work" and taxation, as Americans our problem is our government blowing all of that money on Israel's prosperity and keeping Lockheed Martin afloat to the detriment of us. We could instate universal-basic-income without blinking at our current work level and income disparity.
And also why do I fucking CARE that my neighbor's going to be a bum if he gets welfare? With enough governmental assistance or basic amenities covered as to allow you to simply not have an occupation, why would I CARE that people don't have occupations by choice? I'm not part of an HOA, I don't give a shit what's going on in the house three blocks down and I definitely have no interest in judging whether he's living his life how I want him to live it. "Mind your fucking business" is a perfectly acceptable answer here! If the system benefits everybody and it provides enough of a societal water-wing that people can be bums, that's not my problem nor anybody in America's problem-- mind your fucking business!
>>717391357>That's life in generalAnd yet people still deny it
It absolutely can be considered an ideology when the entirety of society to that point is not only denying it but actively suppressing it with 24/7 spews of bullshit. The entire point of the Patriots was to control the world by manipulating flow of information, controlling context, so people would never rise up in violence that they weren't the head of.
>>heh...that means I win...Yes, it does. Armstrong is fully aware what jack is going to do when he walks off and still knows that he's right because Raiden could only do it by proving his superiority of force.
Armstrong was a true believer of Violence is the Ultimate Authority. At no point was it just an excuse for him to gain power where he'd then whine when someone else started winning, his loss at Raiden's hand is a complete validation of his philosophy.
>>717391623>At no point was it just an excuse for him to gain power where he'd then whine when someone else started winning, his loss at Raiden's hand is a complete validation of his philosophy."YOU KNOW WHAT? FUCK THIS WAR, I JUST WANT YOU DEAD"
>>717391562The US has not had an actual capitalist free market for years
We send billions. Billions to Israel.
Israel has fucking free healthcare for their citizens.
But we don't. Yet we send billions to Israel.
Explain that logic to me.
>>717391623>Violence is the Ultimate AuthorityHow to become world ruler:
1: Walk outside
2: Declare yourself supreme world leader
3: Kill anyone who disagrees with you
Violence is the ultimate authority, anon. If you want a realistic example, go tell the IRS that taxation is theft and then refuse to pay them.
>>717391695The US has not had an actual capitalist free market*
>>717387625Fox News is state propaganda, look at how all their shows just instantly turned on a dime to stop talking about Epstein when it was clear trump wanted it covered up because he was on the list. The fact that almost 40% of their viewers are against the bill that just guts everything to give money to the rich is pretty damning.
>>717387705You do realize one of the first things project 2025 did was purge the military of any leadership that would actually put the constitution over trump right? That means they've either been forced to retire or reassigned to some bumfuck pencil pusher position.
As Zero once said
>It means there's no backup. No cavalry. Shit's going to hit the fan when republicans just ignores the midterm results and declare they won if the democrats, against all odds o not fucking things up for themselves again, manage to win a majority in either camber of congress.
Let alone the 2028 election where the money is on trump just staging another self coup to stay in power.
>>717391707Because Israel runs our country
>>717391695Actual? Define actual. Because if you ask me, this is exactly how the final form of a free market would look like, companies would become so strong that they subvert the government and funnel tax dollars into themselves.
>>717391707Stop being anti-semitic.
>>717391571Because if you encourage people to be wastrels, they will be. And there won't be any incentive to work at all. "Why work at all?" Because resources are limited and just because we happen to live in a time of prosperity doesn't mean we always will be.
>>717391571A lot of people don't seem to understand that there are currently enough resources and wealth to guarantee that everyone has a decent livelihood and the only reason that doesn't happen is that a small group of people hoard as much wealth as the bottom 50% have combined
>>717391814>bottom 50%it's even worse than that, anon.
>>717391707It has been explained countless times to you and you still won't accept the truth that Israel is a puppet state to the USA's interest in destabilizing the middle east and keeping everyone at war so they do not unite against America.
The best part about Armstrong's ideology is that all the chuds supporting it itt would be the first ones to be purged. Being a reactionary incel is very close to the bottom of the social hierarchy's pit. Even people with severe physical or mental impairment can have better lives than chuds.
>>717390442>Raiden is the premier example of his ideologyIf the premier example of your ideology is that people born weak can be drafted into becoming cyborg child soldiers, revolt and assemble a paramilitary organization, are you really surprised that people will think it's a shitty ideology?
>>717391673When you're in the middle of a fight the only thing you should be thinking about is victory
Also he meant the false flag war in the middle east, not the ideological battle.
>>717391746Are you trying to prove something? Yes, that's how it works and the only way government authority stops me is by employing more violence than I can.
>>717391804>Because if you encourage people to be wastrels, they will be.Why do I care?
>And there won't be any incentive to work at all.Why do I care?
>Because resources are limited and just because we happen to live in a time of prosperity doesn't mean we always will be.America runs on Monopoly money as a fiat currency which is supported by and accepted purely because of worldwide government bonds. We took the first step to economic utopia and then didn't instate the second half because it made rich people squeal like the fucking pigs they are.
Why do I care?
>>717391562Some businesses failing are more disruptive than others. Also small businesses in particular failing leads to the consolidation of the nation's wealth in the hands of a decreasing number of people.
>>717391853>Israel is USA's puppet stateLmao. You got that in reverse anon.
>>717384476 (OP)Live some more years and you'll come to find real life is more insane than any fiction
>>717391814Stop being anti-semitic.
>>717391923By that same logic, the poor dying off leads to the consolidation of the nation's wealth in the hands of a decreasing number of people.
>>717391871>cyborg child soldiersDo you think raiden was a cyborg when he was in liberia? Do you think he personally led anything when he was ten?
>people will think it's a shitty ideologyWhat people think doesn't matter when Solidus deploys a vampire to kill them, what they think only matters when they can fight off said vampire.
>>717391707This is the most retarded complaint ever.
Israel receives like $17 billion dollars of aid per year, which comes out of the defense budget, which is of almost 1 trillion per year.
And then there's the fact that these $17 billion are the best spending of the budget ever, because Israel furthers the American agenda in the Middle East like no other military base you fucktards have there. BUT EVEN NOT CONSIDERING THIS, you're a retard for thinking that another $17 billion dollars in the defense budget would make any difference in your country.
I'm not even American, and I'm glad the people in my country don't latch onto Goldsteins. It's disgusting. Like walking on the street and seeing maggots. Just a public display of shame. Not that I've ever actually seen that in my first world country.
>>717391948It's insane that it's legitimately not clear whether the USA or Israel is calling the shots on the other. With trying to make "zionism bad" an actual punishable offense in the USA it's even worse.
>>717391707There are no such thing as free healthcare, free healthcare require slave caste, in israel case america is the slave, america won't have free healthcare even if they stop sending israel money, america can only have free healthcare if india pays colonial tax to america
>>717389678>>717390527Napoleon was fucked regardless since the Grande Armée was drained of veteran troops and relying more and more on conscripts to fill its ranks.
>717392029
oh you're a kike, my bad for giving you a serious response
kill yourself you jew faggot
>>717384798Correct, by keeping weak people alive we're only doing a disservice to our species and putting on a burden on the capable.
>>717392029You're Jewish.
>>717392071So what if I am Jewish? That's not relevant to the topic at hand.
>>717389962good thing any party that appears to have a chance is controlled by the blackmail pedo cabal then
>>717392029Pretty sure the only thing they're doing right now is giving America some insane bad publicity by doing their best to enact their own holocaust
>>717391871You're taking things way too literally and also Raiden was a killing machine way before he became a cyborg.
>>717392072Let me guess. You, a 40yo kissless handholdless with aspergs living at mom's basement, think you're one of the strong ones
>>717391948Sure anon, I totally believe that this miserable banana republic at constant war with several neighbours for half a centurly actually secretly controls the biggest empire in the world, it makes total sense.
After all, it's not like the USA have been guilty of politcal sabotage in 90% of the world, no.
Allende who?
Israel also sprouted out of thin air one day with literally no american interest in it, no, Truman did nothing, Israel having the biggest USA military bases in the middle east is totally a coincidence as well...
>>717392138just curious what does satan look like are the old depictions correct?
>>717392029>Israel furthers the American agenda in the Middle EastLmao. What is this cope. Let me ask you what is America's agenda in the middle east. You will find the answer is a 100% overlap with Israel's agenda, except this agenda does not benefit Americans or America. Only Israel.
>>717391882Money literally exists as an abstraction of the value of labor. The US does not produce like it used to which is why our currency becomes less valuable over time, rapidly so. The less we produce, the more useless the dollar becomes. Billions becomes trillions and then the world realizes that our dollars are useless. They produce more, they have a smarter, healthier, more productive society, the global currency shifts from the dollar to whatever the next leading currency is and the us topples. Once again wealth and resources are not guaranteed.
>Why should I careBecause one day you will wake up and find out that the roof over your head and the clothes on your back and the food in your fridge is all gone because the rest of the world realized they didn't need you and they won't care about bothering to take care of you. It doesn't matter if you don't mind your tax dollars going to your neighbors healthcare, the second other countries decide they don't need us and we aren't producing anything on our own, that's all folks.
>>717392067He wouldn't have been fucked if the monarchs and bankers had been willing to stop killing millions of their own citizens in wars just to unseat him but that would mean accepting having to actually rule correctly so they couldn't be unseated themselves.
You've been convinced that the path of least resistance and most harmony is atavistic, that solving your problems is a problem in and of itself.
>>717392186I'm just saying Raiden's life sucks. It's a tragedy. He is a 0.001%er when it comes to rising from nothing, and EVEN THEN his life is the most tragic bullshit ever written in fiction. And Armstrong thinks it's a great example of what lies for the luckiest of the weak. And then /v/ wonders why people dislike his ideology?
>>717392249Learn what AIPAC is and how many representatives they own
>>717390269>>717390480Nationalizing the food industry so they stop poisoning people with processed foods to end up like that is the go to counter argument.
Also nationalizing healthcare so people don't let themselves get that bad and the sector focuses on cures, not treatments to drag out administrative costs.
>>717384476 (OP)Seriously though, what was his endgame? A Mad Max world with nanomachines? His "survival of the strongest" world can only lead you so far, eventually people would have to sit down and create another boring government again.
>>717392249USA's administration literally just tried to withhold natural disaster aid from States/Cities which boycott Israel. I'll repeat for you, USA's government just tried to punish it own citizens because they didn't want to send money to Israel. If you think USA isn't the puppet state, you are a fucking moron.
>>717392257Not sure why you assume I have first-hand knowledge of this. But my guess is that Satan aka Lucifer is an angel. Therefore, he does not have a physical form. After all, angels are metaphysical beings. When manifesting in our physical realm, he can assume whatever form is convenient.
>>717391804> And there won't be any incentive to work at all.More money retardbro
>inb4 but you already get enough money from welfare You already get enough money from a basic 9-5 currently and yet people are still trying to climb the ladder and become millionaires.
>>717392189The fact that you have to fabricate all this shit to make a convincing ad hominem should tell you that your ideas can't carry their weight on their own.
>>717392334His endgame is consolidation of power at the top. That is it. There is no practical reason.
>>717392349Sure dude, you gonna tell me who will help the widows son next?
>>717392316>Also nationalizing healthcare so people don't let themselves get that badThe education system no longer has childhood fitness. Kids are fatter than ever.
I recognize the caveat that many school coaches were bullies and scumbags and even pedos, but that's specifically because of the decadence of the 70's and 80's. A nationalist America would be comprised of adults who drive their society's offspring to health and fitness out of national pride, not personal 'I'm the toughest coach fuck these kids' vanity that destroyed school fitness in the 80's through today.
>>717389530Kind of, but on the other hand he was very privileged, saw how shit everything was around him and wanted to change the status quo. If he wanted to he could have just played the system like all the others and be a cushy politician with nothing to lose. He risked it all to enact his vision of a better world and in the end died for it. He didn't beg for his life either. He got bested by someone stronger and fully accepted it.
Having said all that, after his "revolution" had taken place he would indeed be in power because he positioned himself to be at the top. But I think he would still challenge the strong to come face him and take it away from him.
>>717392408I guess that makes sense, his speech was bullshit. Honestly some times it is really hard to remember that fictional characters can lie too unless the plot literally shows us in our face that the character was lying.
>>717392309AIPAC is the ONLY lobby representing a foreign country that is not required to register as a foreign lobby. The ONLY one.
>>717392412>he also hates freemasonsDo you just hate every exclusive group you can't be part of? Is that why you also hate blacks, mexicans, arabs, women, basically anything that isn't a white man?
Oh crap you just gave me a great epiphany of the chud mindset. Thank you anon
>>717392334To soft reset the world in hopes of completely burning out the patriots influence, where local communities band their strength together to defend their own personal interests instead of what they're told to value by some celebrity on the other side of the planet.
>>717392309You should learn about your own involvement with the middle east and really, the world at large, financing Bin Laden against the soviet union was also a bipartisan move, I wonder why?
Financing right wing terrorist groups in Europe during the 60's was also a bipartisan move but you people never talk about that.
It's almost like America had an agenda about keeping the rest of the world in turmoil, what did the romans say? Ah yes, divide et impera, but it's only true if "the jews" do it I guess, poor little america at the mercy of a a couple of billion people...
>>717392408>>717392462>replying to yourself 60 seconds apart
I think we should kill men & women born between 1975-2025 and after to replace them with clone babys
lead poisoning & micro plastics fucked up entire 4 generations and things will go on, go on, repeat it again
imo globehomo, jew's final mission is replacing humanity but in peaceful way, imo we should go the hardest way
>>717389530>Armstrong is right about some thingsNo he isn't. Armstrong is wrong about literally everything. This entire talk of "muh politicians and lawyers getting their way" is a delusion of people that are not high IQ enough to understand and participate in the system. In this regard I would say we already live in Armstrong's ideology, except it's the rule of intelligence as opposed to rule of strength.
>>717389708nepo-baby school yeah but they won't allow you to be on their elite football team if you are a worthless twink. it's basically the only part of the school that doesn't run on nepotism.
>>717392517>It's almost like America had an agenda about keeping the rest of the world in turmoilYes, so that jewish banking institutions could own more of the world because america is run by jews that hate civilization
>>717392438The education system needs to be totally overhauled as well to deal with discrimination and the fact you have conservative christians taking it over.
The one of the biggest reasons America is shit right now is the conservative's 40 year onslaught against education in America making people malleable to propaganda stations like fox news.
Once you get the education system re-stabilized, we can get back to childhood fitness and basic skills like Home Ec,.
>>717387130it's just narcissism
>>717392564>t. 98 IQ midwit
>>717392564Rule of the intelligence? You mean rule of the rich?
>>717392601>basic skills like Home EcCorrect. That is the only class that females should be enrolled in.
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>>717384476 (OP)>state real problems everyone can agree with>solution is batshit insane evil>idiots walk away thinking he was right because the problem part was realMany such cases.
>hey human society sucks, people kill each other and there's unequal distribution of wealth>so let me slaughter 90% of the population and put the remaining 10% in a human zoo where we hunt you like animals while our society makes the same mistakes as you
>>717392552Oh forgive me for being engaged with the thread and replying to someone as soon i see their reply. I guess i should wait 2 days like a woman texting with her orbiters.
>>717384957That's retarded. You want to throw away a large chunk of the workforce and gene pool just because it costs a bit more fiat to account for the support for the bits of them that don't work, such as legs, eyes, ears, etc.
Roosevelt got polio and couldn't walk without leg braces, but he still led the USA out of the Great Depression, built infrastructure, and then led the USA most of the way to victory during WW2.
Hawking was disabled, but he was still a great scientist of black holes.
Even for genetic defects, there's a 50/50 chance of them disappearing each generation without eugenics.
>>717392261The monarchs were shit but Napoleon fucked up multiple ways. The biggest was his overthrowing the Spanish Monarchy and installing his brother as king which turned the Spanish against the French and giving a the British another venue of waging war while draining vital french man power in a war they eventionally lost. Second his Continental System was as poorly implemented as trump trade war tariffs and just encouraged Napoleon's 'allies' to flaunt it like you saw with the Russians.
Third invading Russia rather than consolidating power and reorganizing the Grande Armée which was just a lumbering beast of conscripts and supplemented by the armies of other countries forced to go along with Napoleon.
>>717392589Is that right? Then I guess you have nothing to lose if America stops existing, why aren't you upholding your beloved second amendment?
Oh wait, it's because no such thing is happening an you're unable to face the truth that your beloved idea of a country was a sham all along and you're actually guilty of your own crimes, funny hoe the jewish banking institutions that somehow run the world have no power in other places and America's the only one who's offering so much support to Israel, it's almost, ALMOST as if the american government had a long interest in disrupting political legitimacy in the middle east
Ah but I must be wrong, after all America would never start shit in there right?
Iraq for instance was just an accident that somehow happened twice.
>>717392601I remember Home Ec really sucking when I took it even in elementary and middle school in the early-mid 2000s. All I wanted to do was learn to cook and instead the most strenuous lessons over an entire fucking year of an elective course were pancakes and making an apron.
>>717392702It's the most basic bitch formula ever for writing villains that makes chuds and /pol/tards cream their pants as deep writing
And it's all rehashes of the Joker
>society is le bad>so let's blow shit up>"Wow this is deep... I am just like him"I enjoy these characters for entertainment purposes, but anyone actually agreeing with them is a loser.
>>717384476 (OP)he's right that the strong must rule, but he's wrong in assuming he's the strongest
>>717392783>Somehow happened twiceYeah. Israel wanted Iraq gone and Iraq got invaded. What a coincidence.
>>717392671Men too, god forbid a lot of the gen Z's shititng this place up could use some basic home skills like sewing, balancing a checking book, and basic repairs.
>>717392791That boils down the quality of the school, everything needs to be brought up to standards, and not the Republican scam like 'no child left behind' that just encourages people cheating the system.
>>717392791Yeah I took home ec because I thought cooking was more practical than carpentry. Ended up learning the "proper" way to set a table.
Only thing we cooked was a weird cinnamon roll thing that I never made again.
>>717392814People who agree with them are that way because of the system. If you train child soldiers, then tell them to go fix a problem, you can't be surprised if they start shooting shit up. People get crushed by the system and then when presented with a solution that crushes everyone, they agree with it cause that is all they know.
>>717392867Literally everyone who isn’t retarded knows all the things twittards and redditors cry about needing home ec for
>omg how do I turn on the stove????
>>717392846Yeah, we've seen how much Israel in doing in Iraq nowadays, anon.
I guess the Bush family is also jewish, right?
Kinda like how America is funding somalian warlords on Israel's behalf, right?
>>717392783>why aren't you upholding your beloved second amendmentBecause i'm one single person.
>HURRDURR WHY AREN'T YOU KILLING YOURSELF IF YOU HATE AMERICABecause that solves nothing, retard. Getting more people on board with the concept so that we can possess more relative might such that we could then affect actual change is the actual faster solution.
Besides, there are already people going around shooting up CEOs when they can, the media is just trying to black it out
>funny hoe the jewish banking institutions that somehow run the world have no power in other placesYou're fucking retarded and i'm done replying to you, the rothschilds took control of england first which is why everything shitty that happened between 1800 and 1920 can be tied back to england.
>>717390835Any old wagie can be trained into a soldier in a few months, or weeks if in an emergency.
Raiden's flat having nothing in it is just to show that he had no real chance to develop interests of his own because he was always used as nothing more than a weapon.
>>717392952That just proves we need it again.
Might is Right
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>>717392952>omg how do I turn on the stove????Yes!
Yes you should have a teacher for this kind of fucking thing! You are not born with the knowledge of what your stove is and how it works!
Why shouldn't it be a class to learn the kitchen and its workings? Do you think you don't need a class to make a table that will last for thirty years? Jumping Jesus, man, do you not understand what the purpose of education is?
>>717392815So whos the strongest person in his world?
>>717393068Right now? Putin since nobody is stopping him from doing whatever the fuck he wants.
>>717392979>Any old wagie can be trained into a soldier in a few months, or weeks if in an emergencyNot anywhere remotely near a good one, especially not anything near raiden's caliber when he's on big shell.
>that he had no real chance to develop interests of his own because he was always used as nothing more than a weaponYes but we still see plenty of other soldiers in the series who are pretty damn close to what the big protagonists and antagonists are capable of (within their particular subheading) and are still fairly human and personable. Fucking johnny missed out on every possible boost and is still taking down frogs.
Never again does this faggot-ass board get to cry about localization when this entire thread is debating the politics of a character who was entirely invented by localization. he didn't even go the university of Texas. you are arguing over fanfiction. this is just proof that localization beats translation
>>717393038Your parents teach you when you are like 4. Wasting high schoolers’ time when they could be learning something important like biology is bad. Your infantilism is disgusting.
>>717392957>>HURRDURR WHY AREN'T YOU KILLING YOURSELF IF YOU HATE AMERICAI said nothing of the sort, that's entirely on you, retard.
If you actually loved your country you wouldn't desperately try to blame everything on the jews like you're doing, but you don't, you don't care about America as much as you only care about believing that you stand above anyone else while simultaneously being the innocent victim of a global conspiracy.
>the rothschilds took control of england firstYeah, the Rothschilds took control of England and also forced them to get out of the EU...
>>717393068It was sam and raiden but sam lacked a personal drive so he had no power behind his sword
I'm sure if a sequel ever came out there'd be several people who could still take on raiden despite being the pinnacle like he was
>>717392952A lot of people can't cook, or don't know basic things like
>How long does raw/cooked beef/lamb/chicken/fish/whatever last in the fridge/freezer?So they can't plan meals and either let their food rot or throw it out when it's still fine.
>>717393167>Your parents teach you when you are like 4.No, they don't. We're having the Home Ec class and you're going to throw your fists around and bitch the entire time. And then when we make broiled cinnamon toast you're not going to know what to do and you're going to embarrass yourself in front of the whole class. And you're still going to get a slice of the toast because everybody in the class gets the results. Now shut the fuck up and put on your apron, Billy.
>>717393227All of that stuff is literally on the packaging
>>717393280For pre-cooked shit, maybe, definitely not for raw ingredients and DEFINITELY not for meat.
>>717384604A man who lived a relatively privileged life had no respect to life whatsoever, seeing third world children as disposable. The MGS world is so filled with high tech to the point all of those children brains were given not only new lives as cyborgs, but a new chance by giving them a proper education and a well paid job aimed to help people, yet people like him want to use all of those resources to have people continue to kill each other. Their ideologies are so extreme that the only way to stop them is to actually kill them, which has been pretty much the common theme through the entire Metal Gear series.
>>717393225Incorrect. Armstrong beat Sam and Raiden needed Sams weapon and a 99.99% cyborg body to beat him. So its still Armstrong.
>>717393254I’m not wasting my time in your retarded fantasies either
>>717393127>Glowie brings up that invasion to kill discussionMany such cases.
>>717393312Americans drink raw milk. What is the point of home econ when they are fucking retarded anyway?
>>717393254>put on your apron, Billy0w0 mister teacher is it frilly and pink?
>>717384604Idolizes war and violence and yet has never been on the receiving end of it.
>>717393330Armstrong beat Sam with a cheap shot and a regenerative power he whipped completely out of his ass, incidentally.
Also incidentally, Armstrong talked a lot about human determinism and deciding of one's own fate, and then heel-turned and savaged Blade Wolf (trying to kill him) for announcing he'd made his own decisions about what to do with Sam's legacy, starting with lending Sam's sword to Raiden. It turned out Armstrong does not actually want you to determine your own fate! Something Collective Consciousness also alludes to.
>>717393330Word of God is if Sam wasn't so cocky and changed his tactics to a battle of attrition to tire out armstrong instead of going for a quick kill, Sam would have won.
>>717393330>Raiden needed Sams weaponThe strength that others invest in you is still valid strength. A knight doesn't magically manifest his armor around him, he protects the farmers and miners and smiths and so on so that, in return, they give him a greater ability to defend them. A baron brokers deals with his neighbors to gain more relative power. No tyrant ever ascends by force of arms alone, diplomatic ability to gain allies is valid.
>99.99% cyborg bodyIs his own strength. Was given to him over time but its still his strength, nobody but the Doktor or Sunny can affect his access to it, certainly not armstrong in the field.
Strength is strength and strength comes in many forms
>>717393362>somehow thinking not having the will to stop Vlad kills the discussionAmerica could literally rain conventional ballistic missiles across Russia right now and turn the western half of Russia into a parking lot, anon. Far far more than Russian SAMs could hit before impact.
The fact is that Putin won't stop until Russia is bombed to the point of capitulation.
>>717393330>I-It doesn't count!Sam said it: History will decide who's right. Raiden won.
>>717386874The founding fathers wanted to create pre-imperial Rome but with stopgaps to prevent a Ceasar from rising. Not mass democracy.
>>717393404>Americans drink raw milk.Only the retards, almost all milk is pasteurized
>>717393465>savaged Blade Wolf (trying to kill him) for announcing he'd made his own decisions about what to do with Sam's legacy, starting with lending Sam's sword to RaidenBlade Wolf was allowed to choose his side, he just chose the opposite side thus making him an enemy combatant.
>>717393532They were romeaboos (by definition Greekaboos)
>>717392918Fair enough, but is the system really crushing them? Materialistically life has never been better. Education for everyone, healthcare, if you can't work your subsistence can be provided by the government. No matter how you see it, despite all the corruption and inequality and shenanigans, it's still way better to be a human now than in any other moment of humanity's history.
I would say that what people attribute to the "system" is caused not so much by the government/capitalism and moreso by technology, social media and smartphones. The ability to communicate instantly with anyone in the world and access any information humanity has ever known fucked our primate brains. In this sense Cyberpunk does the best fictional social analogy for our shortcomings than any other genre imho
>>717393465The problem with cleverly written villains, is that retards will always idolize them and fall for it, no matter how obvious you make them out to be wrong.
You could make a villain called KillemallRapegod who twirls a mustache, eats innocent children every cutscene, and punches jesus in the face every boss fight and then some retard will make a 2 hour youtube essay called "Why KillemallRapegod was secretly right." and a bunch of annoying retards will then cite it in every twitter discussion about the franchise
>>717393576Is he really giving you a choice when he's going to froth, scream, rage, and try to kill you if you take the choice he doesn't want you to take? Come on, man.
>>717393167My parents neglected to teach me cooking. They thought I was taught to cook in Home Ec so they never bothered.
I went into college knowing little more than how to boil water.
>>717393606Cybertrash is dumb and the only moral in all the most acclaimed cyberpunk media is “the robot/replicant/cyborg is more human than the humans, woah”
>>717384798Weak people shouldnt breed in the first place. People with hereditary genes shoudlnt breed in the first place
>>717393606Wealth inequality is at an all time high and with the latest bill from the govt which literally cuts medicaid aka money for the poor to give tax cuts to Billionaires and this nigga says it is caused by technology instead of government/capitalism. Lmao.
>>717393732You can watch youtube videos from the worlds greatest chefs instead of subjecting every other person to a mediocre lesson on something they already know then
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Why do trannies seem to push the narrative Armstrong was wrong when nature itself bends the knee to whats stronger and more fit to rule?
>>717393683Yes, it is. You say its not a valid choice but how valid was your life if it was only lived on suffrage from those stronger than you? You should've prepared for the possibility and either made yourself stronger or nominated a champion to represent you. Blade wolf chose to fight him and in a fight you're a valid target. It'd be the same if a humvee crew shot someone who was running RPG rockets out to a launching team.
>>717393280It's really not. The "best by" dates on packaging are about when the food is at it's freshest. People throw shit out thinking it's a "rotten after" date.
>>717393821Youtube videos fucking suck for teaching cooking, cooking is as much an art as it is a science. Repetition and flat mimicry will only get you so far in cooking.
>>717393850You have a really vague understanding of nature and what nature considers strong
>>717393473Do you believe everything people tell you? And still play a series that tells you to question those people? Dumb tranny.
>>717393509Yes it doesnt count.
>>717393857>Yes, it is.No, a loaded choice with a gun to your head isn't a choice. Don't be stupid.
>>717393886>words said by everyone who sucks at cooking and ignores the instructions
>>717393850Because world is infested with nepotism and oligarchy and weak nepobaby or oligarch hires strong people to protect them from other strong people who wants to oogabooga primordial rule to them
>>717393821Cooking videos are usually overcomplicated or outlandish bullshit. There's no money in making a sensible practical cooking video.
>>717394002You can follow instructions and still fuck up, mate. Everybody would be a michelin star chef if that's all they had to do.
>>717393850"strong" and "fit to rule" are wildly different things
Like just because ISIS has all the military power in Afghanistan doesn't mean they should be running anyone's lives.
>>717393923>Should I believe the director of the game? Yes.
Also no reason to out yourself as an election tourist, normalfag.
>>717393907Its a concrete idea proven for millions of years now.
>>717394145Is that why utterly powerless animals like sloths have been a thing for literal millions of years?
>>717394145physical power is not what "strength" means in nature's context
the mosquito is still a very successful species
in fact parasitism in general is an extremely successful evolutionary approach
>>717384798Weak parents should not be allowed to commit the crime of passing on disadvantage past a certain threshold, that's just a plain agreeable viewpoint. And those kinds of people definitely should not be given the loophole of "oops, already did it, now the topic of retroactively making our mistakes right again would be too uncomfortable to undertake so looks like nothing can be done".
>>717394145Nta but natural selection is a tautology in that it defines the most fit (mightiest) and the thing that reproduced (right). It’s the same argument as might makes right in that it accepts the organism after the fact as the best.
>>717394145If might makes right, why are humans at the top of the food chain despite being weaker than dozens of animals?
>>717394342Intelligence is the greatest might
>>717394389No. Wealth is the greatest might. If Intelligence was the greatest might then USA's current government won't be ran by a bunch of baffoons. Some whom I assume never completed high school.
>>717394342>why are humans at the top of the food chainslings and the bow & arrow, then guns
human beings are mauled incredibly easily, permanently broken or disabled in some way very easily, and we have no power or speed advantage over many species (le epic persistence-predator doesn't mean anything if an animal can run 10 MPH for about five minutes, we can run 5 MPH for hours, and an enraged animal is about 500 yards away)
so instead we got really good at throwing shit at them or keeping them away while killing them and most of nature doesn't have an answer to long distance combat
>>717384604He would have destroyed the country like Trump does now
>>717394471Wealth doesn't mean anything without intelligence.
You'll just be a tribe of savages walking around with diamonds the size of tangerines. Using them to crack open coconuts.
>Armstrong was wrong
He literally isn't wrong in his own universe. The literal end message of the game is that Armstrong is unironically 100% correct in his understanding of the (MGS) world. The moral of the story is that Armstrong and Raiden are the exact same except one of them is fighting for the ideology of the weak and one of them is fighting for the ideology of the strong.
>>717394471I see you got btfo on the nature argument and had to pivot to politics
>>717392369You didn't even bother denying it. Usually the biggest proponents of eugenics are the ones that wish they were killed by them.
>>717387064>rules like a dictatorlol I wish.
>>717394615What is the nature argument? Do you live in a fucking jungle? No. You live in human society, human society where wealth is might. Now unless you fuck off to a 3rd world country or the jungle, then you might have a point. But even then in 3rd world countries, it is about who has the most money to buy the most guns.
>>717394492You're missing the critical piece. Cooperation.
Humans live in large groups and we all have arms designed for throwing rocks at shit.
A single human with a rock can't fend off a lion. But 30 of them can.
Slings are just icing on the cake.
>>717393850Because physical strength doesn't qualify you to make political and administrative decisions, you idiot.
>>717394717Natural selection is the nature argument and you got btfo when you asked how humans are at the top of the food chain if might makes right and I responded that intelligence is the trait which allowed humans to outcompete all other species
It is hilarious that someone in this thread keeps saying intelligence is the greatest might while comparing what happens in the wild with what happens in civilized society. Peak Dunning Kruger.
>>717393606You're kidding, right? A medieval peasant owned more than a modern rentoid does. And he, unlike modern humans could negotiate the rent and the tax he paid to his lord.
>>717394763>A single human with a rock can't fend off a lion.>Slings are just icing on the cake.slings can have bullet force approaching that of a modern .50 cal firearm
david & goliath was literally that raiders of the lost ark bit about pulling a pistol out of his pocket and shooting a swordsman because the actor had dysentery at the time and really did not want to do all that
>>717389530Useless trash looking for excuses why productive people's achievements actually don't count is the stuff decay and mass starvation are made out off.
>>717393954Why did you not bring a gun yourself? Why did you go to a place where they would put a loaded gun to your head? Why did you not remove them and the gun before they could put it to your skull? Why are you willing to betray your ideals for a chance at mercy from someone who obviously doesn't care for your safety?
>>717394857Dolphins are more intelligent than Sharks. Have they outcompeted all the other species?
>>717394858The smartest people tend to rise to the top of civilized society too. Most poor people are stupid and most rich people are smart.
>>717384604much like all grandstanding ideologues, he's ironically the very thing he rants against.
>>717384476 (OP)The average gamer is fucking stupid, it's not complicated.
They ignored everything he was responsible for over the course of the game and focused on his ending monologue. The kind of people who would be attracted to that kind of ideology have zero interest in context or nuance. It's all vibes.
>>717390269You are creating an incentive for being useless. If you create an incentive for something, you'll get more of it. Lowering the quality of your population, generation by generation.
The main disagreement comes from one thing: Do you think everybody is born with the same capabilities/potential for intelligence, or is there a genetic component to your abilities?
>>717394342Ability to throw rocks is might. You can always find a rock so it can't even be taken away from you. Ingenuity is strength if you're willing to use it
>>717394591>they are the same, except they are completely different
Deception is actually the most powerful trait. Debunk me if you can.
>>717395015>Lowering the quality of your population, generation by generation.The USA government is busy trying to kill public television right now because the retard at its top thinks it's liberal, anon.
>>717394890>And he, unlike modern humans could negotiate the rent and the tax he paid to his lord.A peasant archer could just snipe any lord who was oppressing his fiefdom. In fact, 'knights' in that ear learned that their most likely death would be from a peasant with a bow.
>>717393850Anon the most dominant lifeform on our planet is tiny little microbes that live for a few hours.
>>717394919I'm not saying slings aren't great. I'm saying that we were already on top of the food chain just by forming a group and stoning everything to death.
>>717394931Their level of intelligence is not high enough to dominate the world like humans have, but anything that helps an organism reproduce is “might”. Everything that is alive today deserves to be and everything that went extinct deserved to because life only exists to reproduce
>>717393167parents are millennials and zoomers and can not be trusted to be responsible teachers
>>717395018But how does the ability to throw rock apply to Armstrong's argument about might? So the guy who throws the biggest rock gets to rule the world?
>>717390874>>717390580It is possible for us to starve to death. >We are not immune from the consequences of our actions.
>>717394985Dogshit 4 chord pop music backs up this hypothesis
>>717389441>not being allowed to enjoy the olympic gamey you're hostingnot based and not joy pilled
>>717395085>So the guy who throws the biggest rock gets to rule the world?The guy who can throw the biggest rock has the biggest say unless you can reliably get a whole bunch of smaller dudes who can throw smaller rocks to reliably threaten him into a more equal share.
>>717390434Oh shit, I should have known based on the slightly out of place "4chan culture" reaction images.
>>717395151Doesn't sound like might to be if a bunch of smaller dudes can rule despite being less mighty.
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>>717390615But they are retarded and think that they are actually moving the political needle by being obnoxious on here.
>was a nepo baby
>didn't create the nano technology
>needed votes so get shit done
Literally nothing about his ideology is reflected by his actions.
He dreams of a world he himself has no place in it.
>>717395210i'd sooner suspect kiwi farms retards before i'd suspect r/gamingcirclejerk, but kiwi farms would be unabashedly deepthroating conservative governments and ranting about "troons" if they were here
>>717395246>5x1>1x6Now imagine
>5x1+1x1>1x5I hope this serves to answer your intentional stupidity about might and groups
>>717395031This isn't a gotcha retard. The point is that the one thing which ultimately decides if it'll be the STRONG or the WEAK is who's stronger. Ultimately making Armstrong right.
The song says they're the same. Armstrong says they're the same. Even Raiden admits they're the same. It's all just decided by who has the bigger stick.
>>717395264Let them speak. The best way for them to destroy their own credibility is to let them speak.
>>717392564>high IQ enough to ... participate in the systemYou mean rich enough? You know the people who invented western democratic thought believed that democracy was failed if it involved elections for civil servants rather than sortition, right anon? They foresaw that even giving morons like you power randomly would unironically be better for the rights of the common citizen than allowing any sort of corruptable system of appointing magistrates, and they were right. Go ahead and try to run a grassroots House campaign on a middle class salary, see how far you get.
>>717393683yes. every step of the way he gives raiden a choice. fight me or join me. at the beginning of the fight raiden isn't really a threat to him so armstrong is able to keep trying to convince him to join him. but the moment raiden is an active threat of course armstrong will chose to fight back for real.
the same scene without armstorng giving raiden a choice would be to squish his head like a grape the moment he stepped out of the metal gear without a word. if however raiden had the sword from the get go he armstrong would still tell him join me or fight, only we would only ask once.
>>717395281People who say these things never understand might makes right even though it is so simple. All of those things count towards Armstrong’s might just like all of Raiden’s aid counts towards his
>>717395335So now might isn't just individual strength but rather the combined might of groups? What is next? Guns become a force multiplier? The goalpost keeps moving in what is considered "might"? Yeah. I thought so.
>>717386740You definitely sound mentally defective though.
>>717395391For anybody but Raiden that's not a choice that's a threat
>>717395246Why not? A bunch of dudes is always stronger than one dude when they can get their shit together the weakness is that you have to get them all on board and dedicated while one guy gets absolute control over it. One dude with a gun has to be monumentally better than five dudes with guns to win that fight if all five are even half as committed as the one is.
>>717395054Of course they'd do that, conservatives want full control over the media so their propaganda can go unchallenged. Corporate media always had a conservative bias, but now they're just wiping out any pockets of free thinking.
Also trump always hated PBS because sesame street mocked him for his greed even before he got into politics.
>>717395430See:
>>717395403Anything that increases your might counts towards making you right
>>717395403Might doesn't determine who's right. Only who's left.
>>717395453The definition of might keeps changing is why this discussion keeps going on. And the further we dissect what is considered might, the further we stray from what is the "nature" argument.
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>>717395430Here's the secret dipshit
Might is might
that's it
Might is everything and anything that could give you an advantage over another dude in the field of battle. Being able to sneak up on a dude five times your size and stick a knife in his throat is still might that must be respected.
The only question is if you have might that can be easily removed were you ever mighty at all and the answer is yes, just less mighty than you thought.
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>>717395519There are no morals in the world, only the fundamental forces of the universe.
>>717395495Oh I have no issues with that. My issue is that retards will say this is might with a straight face when what "this” is so clearly unnatural and then say with a straight face that this means their nature argument stance is correct. Like this moron
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>>717395430>So now might isn't just individual strength but rather the combined might of groups? What is next? Guns become a force multiplier?>What is an army?
>>717395574And tell me how what you say relates to the "nature" argument again?
>>717395584only evil people think the world is without morals
like a blind man claiming color doesn't exist
you're basically retarded
>>717395628Both of those are me and you’re seething about getting btfo still
>>717395736BTFO when I got you to admit that might stems from things that are unnatural? You sure got me there buddy.
>>717395403>Armstrong literally says he wants a country ruled by strength, not commiteeYeah, you are full of shit.
>>717395779Everything in the universe is natural. Your worldview is totally false and delusional.
>>717395475Trump's weird, he's the Kim Kardashian of his era where he was famous because his family was rich and he didn't actually do anything to "earn" it, per se (definitely didn't with his father sliding $200k to him every year since he was 3). Turns out all you need to become Burger Hitler is to be super pissed your father was a scumbag and a slum-lord and rightfully hated as such, and take it out on an American public that has no idea what the fuck he's talking about.
>>717395669Throwing rocks is our natural ability, no other ape can throw spears or rocks like we can, its our natural might that we have abused as much as possible to give ourselves more advantage and we have now reached the point where no singular animal could ever possibly threaten humanity as a whole ever again like they could when we first descended from trees
>>717395827Then politics is nature. Another BTFO.
>>717395827>Everything in the universe is naturalFalse
>>717395834Fun fact: Trump opened a casino specifically so his father could launder him money through it without paying taxes. And it still went bankrupt.
>>717392564>This entire talk of "muh politicians and lawyers getting their way" is a delusion of people that are not high IQ enough to understand and participate in the system. You mean willing to provide kompromat on themselves to the bankers and lawyers that run the show, which recent worldwide controversy has shown being undoubtedly true?
>>717395862gucci gang gucci gang gucci gang gucci gang
>>717395870And intelligence is the greatest might
>>717395931Wealth is the greatest might. There are intelligent people that die due to the lack of money but there is no wealthy people that die due to the lack of money.
>>717389530>guy who never actually had to fight or work hard for anythingHe worked hard for his body. The nano machines only enhances it.
>>717395883That too, he's an infamously terrible businessman who keeps receiving mass cash influx from other rich people that think they're the ones Trump isn't gonna burn. I remember something about him getting kicked out of hotel businesses for wanting to fuck them up to suit his own tastes when they were working fine. I don't know why he seems to have a Mandate of Heaven and he just keeps receiving free money from gullible dipshits whose only preconception of Trump and his reputation come from his cameo in Home Alone 2.
>>717395990There are plenty of people who die due to a lack of intelligence
>>717392979The average wagie would be able to take down giant robots and slaughter dozens solo while killing some of the most dangerous mercenaries in the world? with a couple of months of training?
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>villain's ideology is complete insane nonsense only a psycho would agree with
>politicians go "he's kinda lowkey right though"
why does this happen?
>>717395584If that is the case why would Armstrong even need to full-fill his plan?
His whole new American would have worked under certain morals, he has considered as right.
>>717395990I think you meant to say, "there are no wealthy people that die due to lack of intelligence" and oh boy are you wrong.
How about those guys who got crushed in a submarine operated by an xbox controller.
>>717396030And there are plenty of people who die despite being intelligent. Ergo, intelligence has no bearing on survival. Thanks for proving my point, it is clear you are not very intelligent yourself.
>>717396042Profit. Capitalism.
>>717396104Anon, what does Israel provide to the US?
>>717396092>Ergo, intelligence has no bearing on survival. False conclusion by a delusional ideologue
>>717396143Middle Eastern destabilization
>>717395990>Wealth is the greatest mightYou hold up your roll of hundreds and I'll hold up a gun.
>muh guardsIts far, far easier to kill one man than it is to protect him from everything. Lucky every time vs lucky once.
Men beat up nature, discovered that everything natural kinda sucks, made systems like honor or mercy so that the majority of people get to avoid the majority of the suck, and then those systems got compromised (maybe by their inherent goal of excluding all nature instead of just the suck parts) so people now crave the more natural ways because they are more universal problems with simpler solutions.
>>717396081Tesla who was one of the most intelligent men ever died because he was poor. That is despite him being more intelligent than almost anyone who was ever born.
>>717396148If he knew what those words meant he would be very angry.
>>717395834It's more he's just retardedly lucky since conservatives spent decades priming for taking over the coutry and turning into into a corporate oligarchy, trump then swoops in and turns it into a dictatorship instead.
>Game villain is a very obvious real life observation of what is actually happening right now.
>"This is so unrealistic."
>>717396172Why does the US need that when it can glass the entire world 50x over? The Middle East isn’t a real threat to America and if America really wanted to it could just get the oil for free.
>>717396173If that was true, then Donald Trump and Elon Musk would both be dead already. They are both clearly not very intelligent.
>>717385741No dual citizenship in government. No first or second generation immigrants are valid either.
State funded campaigns for every candidate that passes an initial vote. Outside funds and donations banned.
Lobby organisations you've interacted with should be represented by a pin or logo on your suit.
>>717384476 (OP)We don't actually get to hear his philosophy. We only get cliff notes. But, on a positional basis he managed to convince 140 IQ plus super warriors from multiple different ethnicity, economic backgrounds, and extremely high moral characters to come over and work for him. Not to mention cooperation from US Domestic intelligence, International Authorities, and countless other high finance/societal background to back his position, too. They not only supported him, but actually died on his behalf, fighting for his cause. Stands to reason he brought some pretty serious credulity to his position.
>>717384476 (OP)>why does this happen?This is literally how American politicians get elected despite being incompetent idiots.
>>717396148If intelligence is the greatest might, then why are you so poor?
>>717396235Nuclear craters don't make for good parking lots
>The Middle East isn't a real threat to AmericaThe Middle East has lived rent-free in the heads of the Europeans since Saladin and America's ruling class is functionally British royalists
>>717396029Because he strongarms tax cuts for the rich through congress
Do this and the establishment will bend over backwards to protect you
>>717390269A welfare state is a good thing and worth spending money on, but people want good jobs. There is plenty of work that needs to be done, such as building infrastructure, manufacturing, research, etc.
>>717396348>The Middle East has lived rent-free in the heads of the Europeans since Saladin and America's ruling class is functionally British royalistsOk but none of that has anything to do with America’s ability to obliterate or enslave it if it felt like it. They can use normal bombs too.
>>717396254>140 IQ plus super warriors from multiple different ethnicity, economic backgrounds, and extremely high moral characters to come over and work for him.Sundowner and Mistral enjoy having a moral pretense for their murder sprees, Monsoon is a nihilist and Sam went along because he had no purpose in life
>>717384476 (OP)Or maybe you're justba smoothbrained zoomer.
>>717384531Case in point is OP.
>>717396175>Tesla died because he was poorlol, he got run over by a taxi while going to feed pigeons at the age of 81
>>717395056Bows take ages to learn, while guns need much less training.
If the world revolves around logic, why is the richest man in the world an idiot who has no muscles and his torso is shaped like a cube?
>>717396042For some of them, mainly the evangelical christians, they unironically believe the prophecy of revelations that says that the nation of Israel must control the holy land in order to bring about the rapture that will bring the true believers to heaven and damn the nonbelievers to eternity in hell
You know, some desert god schizo shit
>>717395281he used the means that were available to him to try and enforce his ideology. he never said that you have to earn all of your power by yourself to count. his ideology was just "he who can and wills to act should do so".
I think the biggest flaw in his ideology is that inevitably things will go back to how they were before his shaking up of the world. so at best he is trying to do something that has an expiration date.
>>717390269Technically you shouldn't need a welfare state in a functioning economy and country. The only time you have issues where people can't make a living is if there's severe criminality, resource scarcity, or other grotesque problem occurring. In the US case it's obvious criminality at fault.
>>717396430Did he die poor or not?
>>717396420At absolutely no point did the Crusades need to happen, they happened for the same reason the UK will not give up Scotland and Northern Ireland and meddles in their local politics constantly- it makes some faggot's back itch when he looks at another nation and it's doing fine without him
>>717396469uhhh he says based things haha BASED BASED BASED ha
>>717396490Ted Cruz when on TV and said he was more interested in the interest of Israel than US and people in this thread will tell you that US isn't the puppet state.
>>717396521Ok but again how is any of this a motivation for America to “destabilize” the Middle East when it could totally destroy it in an hour since it is not a real threat?
>>717396512Extreme criminality is a result of a failed economy.
It's likely the worst criminals are the ones in power, intentionally fucking things up for the sake of profit, but ironically, they're the ones ruining their own profits by not knowing basic fucking economics.
You don't have to be a moral person at all to know how money circulates. If it's not circulating, you're not making a profit.
>>717396512>In the US case it's obvious criminality at fault.Among the ruling class sure, actual crime rates are down across the board, even sex crimes are down
Some of this is abolishing lead pipes (unless you're Flint, MI which only did it just recently and had to kick and fight and scream bloody murder and get federal government involved to get their corrupt local government to do it) and some of it is just societal problems ironing out through action or inaction
Meanwhile the US is pretty much the only nation on the planet where school shootings are a regular problem
>>717396423Sundowner doesn't need any pretense. Mistral and Monsoon are both traumatized, ditto for Sam, but he's at least more personally intact and motivated to make right what was done wrong to him. All of them are motivated by a moral and just reasoning, however.
>>717396420>>717396619Apparently subtlety or normal conversational flow is for fucking retards so I guess I get to make it as plain as possible that America wants to destabilize the Middle East because the ME is perceived as an ideological enemy regardless of whether they actually are or not, fueled entirely by the paranoia and intolerance of America's power holding caste
>>717396512>Technically you shouldn't need a welfare state in a functioning economy and country.Have you never heard of the elderly or the disabled?
>>717396624>Extreme criminality is a result of a failed economy.Not in the case of the US. Because we're talking white collar crime. Low end crime has only become a massive burden in the last few decades, and is actively being encouraged by the high end administrative criminals.
>>717396639>Among the ruling class sure,Yes, that's the criminality I'm referring to. The US shouldn't even have the wide of a distinction in class were it working as intended.
>>717396732And in making this as plain as possible for retards, no America is not going to glass the whole of the Middle East, they can't do that without the entire rest of the planet crawling up their ass or resultant mutually-assured-destruction
>>717396732Your point doesn’t make any sense because if they are that paranoid and intolerant, why wouldn’t they destroy the Middle East? Funding Israel to starve Palestinians doesn’t do any good for America even if they perceive the Middle East as an enemy.
>>717396781Even if they can work, they still need some support to make up for their higher expenses.
>>717396804>Not in the case of the USIt absolutely is in the case of the US.
The United States sociopathically toes the line on what they can get away with without getting killed by their own people. It's the most sad thing I've seen in history, especially with how dejected or deluded people are becoming living there.
>>717396781They would have family members able to provide for them when they're young and old, and if they're old they'd have investment and savings to account for their retirement. Or, lite work. Welfare is an abnormal situation. Because it means we have to funnel other monies into the maintenance of people that shouldn't need it were things working correctly. It's like thinking the bilge pump should be running all the time in a boat or it'd sink. The damn thing should be able to float by its very nature!
>>717396901It is now because of criminality, but if it weren't getting exploited, it would be the most functional, highest paid economic environment on earth.
>>717395443yeah it seems like it but join me or die is still a choice. not a great one but you can still pick. freedom of choice doesn't always mean you get to pick all the parameters.
he preaches that because he is the strongest he gets to set the rules. so if you want to set the rules become stronger than him. that doesn't mean that he is gonna pave a red carpet for you to become stronger however. cheat, steal, lie. doesn't matter how. tell him you agree to join and then stab him in the back.
>>717396971Nobody is strong enough to stand up to America and you already said that the rest of Europe also hates the Middle East. China wouldn’t die over them either so who exactly is crawling up America’s ass or retaliating? Russia can’t even beat Ukraine.
>>717396994And because we have retards in power who heard the phrase "spend money to make money" and had the most cartoon character evil villain moment where they thought "what if I made money... by not spending any?" we're drying up and people are resorting to crime to survive or just to vent their frustration.
>>717396907>They would have family members able to provide for them when they're young and oldGuess you've never heard of the unmarried either. Or orphans. Or people whose children died.
>>717396042Because you lose your job when you go against the boss.
>>717384604Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Because Nanomachines SON.
>>717397073>and you already said that the rest of Europe also hates the Middle East.No I didn't say this, I said America was the heritor of Europe's seething obsession with the Middle East. Most of Europe couldn't care less
>>717397159>unmarriedFailures
>people whose children diedTragedy that made them failures
>orphansFuture prostitutes and servants
>>717390269Agree. This is more relevant than ever before because technology and AI is progessing and a lot of jobs are about to be automatized. If the government can not support all those that are about to be jobless then they will either starve to death or turn into a criminal.
>>717397294>Europe doesn’t careThen they won’t stand up to America when the only real power in the world glasses someone
>>717397085>we have retards in poweThey're not retards, they're criminals. They are acting off of malicious, self serving goals. The "watchers" are THEIR people. Same problem in Europe. All of the western countries are getting pilfered, robbed blind! In the East it's even worse.
>>717397159Minor expenses compared to an entire welfare state. The children could be found homes, unmarried could support themselves, and full time spouses could be found for other partners seeking them. Even in the rare case of men that don't work and women that do. All of these things in a properly functioning economy and system are trivial considerations. Only in a massive, exploitative rackets do these suddenly become insurmountable problems. Only in systems where the authority goes unquestioned and is unanswerable do we find crap like this happening. Only in a nation with a foreign subversive element does the day to day realities somehow become the objective goal and failure of the national identity. As if we're always in a state of recovery from a war.
>>717395929skrt skrt skrt skrt lean skrt skrt skrt skrt pillies
>>717396173this is goku vs superman tier arguing.
>well goku wins cause he has ssj 69 and he just turbo blasts superman>na uh superman is impervious to his turboblast cause he will just tank ityou are trying to reach absolute conclusions(retarded thinking on its own) by creating hyper specific instances where your point wins
>>717396254>he managed to convince 140 IQ plus super warriors from multiple different ethnicity, economic backgrounds, and extremely high moral characters to come over and work for him yeah in a game where the writer said so. I can do the same in my own little story.
>This man convinced 3000IQ geniuses that shoving hot rocks in your urethra is actually good. That means it applies to real life too
>>717396521>At absolutely no point did the Crusades need to happenyeah cause the muslims at that point weren't hyper expansionists that were a legitimate threat to europe. no need at all. also you forget that religion at that time was not what it is today. people really believed it and were willing to die for it en mass. jerusalem in particular was of great importance to everyone because of the religious value it had, not some strategic or material reason.
>>717398363>people really believed it and were willing to die for it en mass.*sacks ur constantinople for non-payment*
>>717384604>"muh survival of the fittest" while already being above 99.99% of other humans both physically and financially>PMCs also have massive leg up on everyone>constant bloodshed and warfare leaving constant power vacuums filled by warlords and reducing us to nothing better than tribesmight makes right sounds cool on paper until there's a guy making rules you don't like who's stronger than you
he was wrong he was just charismatic, it's literally his job as a politician
>>717396521>At absolutely no point did the Crusades need to happenAt no point does anything need to happen.
>>717389929This is a point that's never brought up; he never stops to consider the fact that other countries exist and will have a field day invading a country that's too busy fighting amongst itself
>>717398710nice cherry picking of the worst example you could have provided
>>717398994clearly all the knights and mercenaries were religiously motivated, right? they sacked constantinople because they had a crash-out over losing. that is definitely how it happened in history
>>717396237Unfortunately he was less intelligent and had poor aim
>>717385741Revoke Citizens United
>>717399073picks an event on the FOURTH crusade to discredit all of them. yeah nice one ahmed.
>clearly all the knights and mercenaries were religiously motivated, right?Never said that. I said "people really believed it and were willing to die for it en mass" which is 100% factual at the time. not ALL the people, just people, as in the majority. fucking embarrassing I even have to type it out for you.
Like I said initially, the crusades were a response to a turbo expansionist muslim world that had conquered long standing christian lands. they even made it to spain you monolithic mongoloid. of course they needed to happen and rightfully so.
>>717399403oh, sure, people back then were willing, even eager, to die for religious reasons. just not in THIIIIIS holy war.
>>717395990So, how exactly does Armstrongs new order that serves the individual needs work if rich nepo babies still stay on top?
>>717399428They did all the fucking time you moron. They continued to do so for centuries later. Catholics vs Protestants and all that. They still fucking do by the way. Mohhamad blowing himself up for the however fucking many virgins and the praise of his god is him dying for a religious cause. I mean I get there are retards out there but fuck this is olympic levels.
