Thread 717390812

Dark Bramble was less annoying to navigate than Brittle Hollow

>>717390812 (OP)
I got like 90% through the game and just dropped it. Zero motivation to keep going through the same repetitive motion chasing red herring dead ends for zero payoff aside from my ship log updating.

Got to the sun station (which I probably reached way later than the average player) thinking SURELY that was the missing link that I had skipped over that would make everything connect... but nope.... just another completely pointless dead end that does nothing except give a bit of flavor text and a ship log update.

What a miserable, tedious, repetitive, obnoxious game.

>>717391080
>What a miserable, tedious, repetitive, obnoxious game.
the game is peak reddit

>>717391080
I beat it and liked it, but I will say there is a lot of
>if I just get to point x it will tie everything together and I'll get the breakthrough I want
>lol jk it tells you the same thing place y already did 3 hours ago

>>717391080
This is copy pasted from the thread earlier today isnt it

>explore attlerock
>dead end that leads to nothing
>explore the underwater tunnels under timber hearth
>dead end that leads to nothing
>explore interloper
>dead end that leads to nothing
>explore sun station
>dead end that leads to nothing
>find all the reddit spacemen
>dead ends that lead to nothing
>explore white hole station
>dead end that leads to nothing
>explore entirety of giant's hollow
>rewording of what you learned in the tutorial of the game, except emphasizing that for some reason you can't both look at a quantum moon and land it on it at the same time (...wut?)
>explore the core of giant's hollow
>dead end that leads to nothing
>explore hanging city
>dead end that leads to nothing
>explore sunless city
>dead end that leads to nothing
>explore all the ash twin warp pads
>dead end that leads to nothing
boy howdy do I love this gay fucking game, totally not a waste of my fucking time

>>717391080
filtered lmao.

>>717391619
there's tons of lore and clues to discover. maybe you're just blind and missed all that stuff

>>717391683
no, I don't give a fuck about some gay lore dump that is just a rewording of something I've seen 10 times already.

>>717391725
sorry you're a fag, you should leave the thread.

>>717391725
its ok if the game isnt for you, not every game has to be

>>717391683
It's a disingenuous retard. At least one of the locations he explicitly mentioned contains undeniably vital info. The locale is too small to miss the info.

>>717391725
Then why did you buy the gay lore dump game? And don't give me the
>I didn't know it was a gay lore dump game
excuse. It's a 6 year old game, you had ample time to know what kind of game it is. It's like playing Undertale 10 years later and being surprised by how fucking gay it is.

>>717391619
this, I gave it enough of a chance to see it's just a gay experiential game where the entire "point" is just finding tiny bits of irrelevant lore and wandering like a dickhead, then I uninstalled it.

>>717391683
I liked and beat the game, but he's right in the fact that like 95% of the time it's
>go to place x
>finally I will find the missing piece
>it's a red hearing and they just tell you info you already know from place y. There are very few spots that actually tell you legitimately new information that is helpful and most of the stuff is intentionally a red herring because the creator and his sister liked that thematically

>>717391080
So true. The repeating day cycle did not respect the players time.

>>717391869
in the sunless city? I thought I did something wrong at first, lol

>>717391080
I know this retard is a lost cause, but he does unwittingly illustrate a heuristic for whether or not someone will like OW. The delineation is whether the player views the exploration itself as its own reward or is laser focused on completing a checklist. It's the difference between someone who plays a platformer and tries to get on some out of bounds geometry just for the hell of it because it looks possible and someone who just routes to objectives.

>>717391619
I don't like modern indie games that leaves breadcrumbs, and refuse to elaborate the lore because "it's fun figuring it out yourself". They think they're doing "show, don't tell" but It's actually a lazy way of story writing. Prime offenders are Outer Wilds, Obra Dinn and Subnautica. I quit all three of them because I felt that they just dump you into the game and say "lol figure it out yourself it'd more fun that way". It's like a director minimally directing a movie and tells the movie audience to fill in the blanks themselves. I want to experience the director's vision.

>>717392076
No, I actually quite enjoyed the exploration at first when it was new and there was that sense of wonder, awe, and tension.

It was only after I started doing the same loops over and over for hours tying up all these dozens of loose (dead) ends, retreading the same areas, waiting for tiny timed windows to have a small chance to read a few lore tidbits or solve a pointless puzzle, chasing YET ANOTHER red herring that amounts to absolutely nothing, that I ultimately realized this is just a waste of time and the juice isn't worth the squeeze. I've seen the vast majority of what the game has to offer and the honeymoon period has worn off, now it's just become tired and tedious.

>>717391910
I guess, if you only think the coordinates are the only important item. each thing can lead you to other discoveries. however it's nonlinear, so you may have discovered something "ahead" by accident because there is a ton of leeway for experimentation in the game. You can get a partial hint and solve many of the puzzles.

>fly space ship to hanging city in a way obviously not intended
>lower the forge
>fly leave
>fly out to the warp pad
>warp to the forge
>oh I'll just jump over this small wall
>one way trip to white hole station
I was so fucking mad

>>717392403
the fact that you can enunciate your woes clearly doesnt remove the fact that you are a drooling retard. its fine that you stopped playing the game because it was frustrating you. just stop whining like a bitch and move on

Have you ever found anything close to this game again bros?

>>717392076
I mean the game literally does give you a big checklist, except with no signposting or even subtle guidance on where you're supposed to go so it's easy to just aimlessly wander doing stupid and pointless tasks that amount to nothing due to no fault of your own.

It's like the developer is thinking of a number between 1 and 100 and you have to just guess which number he is thinking of that is actually part of the critical path and everything else is just superfluous lore bullshit.

>>717392431
like there are some legitimately important things like finding feldspar or the random one about how the pads work but a lot of the stuff is like
>I finally found the place
>lol we worship the eye but can't find it, lol
like there are a bunch of fucking places that just say that. I think the moon thing is one of the only times where each segment actually tells you something important

>>717392574
>you express exactly why the game is flawed and why you don't find the game fun but... YOU'RE LE RETARD BECAUSE I SAID SO!!!
>YOU ALSO CAN'T CRITICIZE THE GAME EITHER BECAUSE I SAID SO!!!
lol seething little midwit, go jerk off your gay reddit game with the other fags on your subreddit and fuck off outta here. This isn't your hugbox.

>>717392598
chants of sonnar is semi close. though chants has a major flaw in that you can brute force most of the puzzles

>>717392693
feldspar literally only useful because he gives you the ability to kill yourself, I mean meditate to next loop, which really should have just been available from the beginning.

>>717392648
>the game literally does give you a big checklist
>except with no signposting or even subtle guidance on where you're supposed to go so
????????????
learn to read, retard

>>717392801
that's greebo, feldspar is the harmonica dude. he literally tells you something you specifically need for the good ending and even outright says it feels like cheating so he gives you a "hint" to follow a vine

>>717392731
i didnt finish the game too retard but do you see me seething and spamming why my pussy was so hurt from not enjoying the game? fuck off

>>717392598
if you like gay reddit games that completely disrespect your time and make you retread the same areas over and over, Hollow Knight is right up your alley

>>717392808
those two things are not mutually exclusive in the slightest you daft moron. You know everything you have to do, with your magic computer even telling you there is more to explore, you just don't know the order or what's important, so you can waste like 95% of your time doing pointless bullshit before finally stumbling on something that's part of the critical path

>>717392237
But Outer Wilds explains everything relevant.

>>717391619
>skip the whole story in a story based game
>wtf there's nothing here!!
you're hopelessly retarded.

>>717392861
the jellyfish shit? I don't even remember what was in the core but it was another pointless dead end. Also you can figure that out yourself, I mean you have zero tools at your disposal and the only thing in front of you is jellyfish that are entering the core so it should be obvious the jellyfish are how you get in. Really your only barrier to entry is thinking that just getting to the core is another pointless dead end rather than getting *inside* the core actually being the pointless dead end.

That's why I really hate puzzle games like this, you never know if you have the solution now or if it's some gay bullshit where you need to do something on the complete other side of the map that will allow you to proceed.

>>717393120
There is a critical path you absolute moron, just 95% of shit is irrelevant to it and is just loredumps on gay furfag aliens.

>>717392598
Riven has a similar idea, where the puzzle is in understanding the environment. But I played Riven first so... no I guess.

>>717390812 (OP)
I blindly ran into the DLC on my first real run. I just had no idea where to even go so I aimed for the satellite thinking it would give me a map or something and noticed the sun being fucky. Rammed straight into the space ship at full speed and just managed to get inside and look around a bit before the reset. I was so annoyed at being interrupted I completely focused the spaceship not understanding jack fucking shit about half of what I found. By the time I got the rest of the game I was so used to the time limit and navigating annoying spaces I did not find any of it a problem. Spent more time in the DLC than the base game.

>>717393234
the whole point of the game is figuring out the critical path through lore you absolute glue huffer.

>>717393483
the lore doesn't guide to you the critical path retard, it's just bullshit flavor text. What you think are critical areas just amount to nothing, and other areas that are critical require you to go to some random bullshit area first.

Again, it's all just obfuscated layers of bullshit. Wander around aimlessly like a jackass wasting hours on end until you just happen to stumble upon it. There is a reason that the base game alone takes people around 25 hours excluding DLC and even looking things up. If you knew the critical path or could "figure it out through lore hurr durr" you could easily solve the game blind in a few hours. No, instead the game wants to waste your time retreading bullshit and chasing red herrings.

>>717392403
I felt the exact same way, based.

>>717393284
sounds good, thanks anon.

>>717392903
haven't you got a gun to swallow you miserable cunt?

>>717392746
this ones not bad but its much more a logic puzzle, I do love language puzzle games though.

I'd recommend Obra Dinn, and Void Stranger for all the real gamers in the thread.

>>717393686
seeing as you're too fucking stupid.

The assumed goal at the start of the game is to find a way to stop the sun going supernova to save all your friends.

As you read the nomai text you see they had devices designed to induce/stop that. You see hints of the ash twin project, and that in general the nomai were unable to find some shit called the eye.

You try for the sun station, and see that its not causing the supernova, you see theres actually no way to stop the event from happening. while you learn this you see the events that killed all the nomai and that they were never able to get back to their ship.
Instead they found a method to get to the Eye, having no other way to escape your loop you can still do their cultural goal.

So now you know they have a ship, it needs power, you need coordinates to reach the eye, and that the ash twin project is something to find.

I wont say more but if you can't see that as a narrative you're genuinely a fucking retard.

>>717394458
>read hundreds of stupid ass lore logs just to have some vague idea of what you need, no idea where it could be at or how you reach there, and no idea the order in which you need to find the stupid bullshit necessary to reach those locations
Again, it's just fucking stupid time wasting tedium where you have to guess what's relevant to the critical path, when 95% is genuinely fucking pointless, 4% gives you "knowledge" (much of which you could very easily figure out yourself without it) and the last 1% is the actual fucking critical path.

It has the same problems as all open world games, even further exacerbated by having constant gates that required you did x, y, z first, as well as pules upon piles of completely pointless drivel that amounts to absolutely nothing except lore flavor text (the vast majority of plot threads in the game). You just stumble around like a retard to find information that tells you "keep stumbling around like a retard, but try to find this while you're stumbling around"

>>717394458
The same player could complete the game in 3 hours or 30 hours purely depending on chance of what they choose to focus first.

This is apparently an appeal of the game that you aimlessly wander around chasing lead after lead that amounts to nothing but dead ends.

>puzzle exploration game needs deduction and curiosity
oy vey

>>717394901
I pity you for neither having a brain nor a soul

>>717392903
>daft
yuro opinions are not relevant

>>717393152
>I don't even remember what was in the core but it was another pointless dead end.
the core literally contained info that was needed to get the good ending and you could only get that info in the core and nowhere else

>>717393152
>That's why I really hate puzzle games like this, you never know if you have the solution now or if it's some gay bullshit where you need to do something on the complete other side of the map that will allow you to proceed.
I'm pretty sure lowering the forge is the only thing where you need to go to 2 locations to solve a puzzle

>>717395924
Must not have been that important as it didn't open any additional paths.

>>717396046
it literally opened the path to the true ending. it's like one of the only locations you need to go to to get the true ending

>>717396093
Well I did everything there and it wasn't even important enough for me to remember it. Dropped the game shortly after

>>717396167
you keep seething about
>muh critical path
but it's like literally one of only a handful of locations you must visit to get a piece of info you can't get anywhere else without cheating and googling it and you can't brute force it and you must have visited that place and gotten the info to get the good ending

>>717396329
Well it's in the ship log, honestly I doubt I even read it. More lore dump crap except woah this one is soooo useful if you do these other 10 obtuse bullshit steps. Sorry, don't care.

>>717393686
>random bullshit area
>wander around aimlessly
>you just happen to stumble upon it.

The game literally tells you where to go based on clues you get for solving puzzles but you were too stupid to figure that out. You probably looked up the answers like a total faggot. Get filtered retard

>>717396553
there are literally only 3 places outside the launch code in the tutorial you must go to to get the true ending and the core is one of them.

>>717396704
Does it give you some kind of permanent persistent information? Because if so then I must have missed that. But I was near sun explosion so just running around, plus I had long stopped caring by that point

>>717396673
>based on clues you get for solving puzzles
I already said that, that's the 4% of the "knowledge" progression in the game that I mentioned. Still 4% actually useful information vs. 95% useless pointless lore crap that amounts to literally nothing

>>717394901
>(much of which you could very easily figure out yourself without it)
Literally impossible without cheating. You're a lying nigger

>>717397050
>you could never figure out to avoid anglerfish, or that the jellyfish entering the core are the key to get into the core, or that a quantum object moves when not looked at, or that one storm is spinning a different way (or just ram in with your ship), or that a warp station warps you when you stand under it and line up with a planet
Retard, I didn't say everything, just most. And 95% of the game doesn't even give you relevant info, it just gives you furfag lore dumps

>>717396874
>Does it give you some kind of permanent persistent information?
yeah

>>717397386
I must have missed it then. Oh well, don't care.

>>717391080
It's not for everyone. A predictable side-effect of redditors repeatedly saying things like "Go play Outer Wilds. Don't read anything about it. Thank me later." is that people who don't like this kind of game will end up playing it, and still not liking it. You have to enjoy the story and figuring out what to do.
Sun station is a lot of people's favorite part of the game because it gives you interesting information. There's no reason if you should even get that far if you don't care about any of the text and you think of the puzzles as busywork.

>>717390812 (OP)
Base game was peak but i did not like the gameplay of dlc
In base game you constantly move from one planet to other and uncover mystery

>>717397701
I went to the interloper or somewhere before the sun station so the sun station thing wasn't a huge reveal for me. I'm pretty sure I b-lined for the interloper to start the game because I thought it was the thing the canon shot

>>717391619
You're just not smart enough...

yeah sorry nerds I 1 cycled it easy game

>>717399420
there's like 946 billion combos for the code you enter at the end of the game so it's not very likely you one cycled without cheating

>>717399683
yeah sorry I was jk due to the thread conversation. my first cycle I died just flying around in space being impressed by the travel.

>keeps dying after 22 mins
>does literally nothing to alleviate the problem