Thread 717392978

I said once that FFVII rebirth was gonna be one of the best games of all time back when it was announced

and turns out i was right.

If it had nothing to do with FF7 and was reworked into a mainline entry, it would've been the best game ever made.

>>717394135
The middle part of a random story would have been the best game ever made? It's not even the best PS5 FF game.

>>717392978 (OP)
Based. Crossing the ocean in the Tiny Bronco and seeing the Sister Ray come into view made me really happy.

>>717394135
Rebirth's gameplay sucks. It somehow combines the worst aspects of turn-based combat and real-time combat into one messy game.

>>717392978 (OP)
It was pretty good. Loved the globe trotting adventure feel, brought me back to the old final fantasy games. The problem with Rebirth is that there was really no story or plot development except for Aeriths death which wasn’t executed properly, but the crazy thing is that the overall game is still good. Part three easily has the potential to be one of the best games of all time IF done correctly.

>>717394494
>It somehow combines the worst aspects of turn-based combat and real-time combat
what are the worst aspects of turn based combat and real combat?
too much grinding? slow combat? enemy design is repetitive? none of that applies to remake
as for action: are the controls unreponsive? too chaotic? not enough reading of the battlefield? too reliant on perfect dodges? this doesnt apply either

I think this is actually the most artificially shilled game this board has ever been afflicted one

>>717394843
This isn’t an e33 thread

>>717394843
i think this is the most off mark post i have ever read in this board

>>717392978 (OP)
>>717394135
>Flawless deep combat
>Great characters
>Great story
>Great art direction
>Great OST
>Waifus
>Good graphics
>Lots of content
>Memorable moments that stay with you long after the game ends
This is a 10/10 game

>>717394843
Exactly, the fanboys/cultists can't stand how culturally irrelevant this game is outside here and that's why they spam threads.

>>717397068
t. fag angry that ff7 is strictly for heterosexuals

>>717394494
>i'm too old and retarded to understand and play games less than 20 years old
lmao, yikes

>>717392978 (OP)
uh yeah remind me never to ask your predictions

>>717396575
one of the few vidya enjoyers still on this shithole website, based take anon

>>717397595
I RESPECT JACKS STRENGTH!

>>717392978 (OP)
it was a huge improvement over part 1 in every way. excited to see what they do with part 3.

>>717394494
it's one of the only games to have fun and unique combat nowadays. everything is just souls slop with iframes now.

>>717394843
more like artificially hated
>NOOOO THEY CHANGED THIS VERY SPECIFIC PART OF THE STORY, IT'S BASICALLY A SEQUEL NOT A REAL REMAKE. ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS TAKE THE SAME ARCHAIC GAME AND MAKE THE GRAPHICS PRETTY

>>717392978 (OP)
>1994: Cid is a fucking asshole who develops into a reliable friend
>2023: Cid is a cool, friendly guy from the start and shows no signs of cantankerousness

>>717398578
KH Cid is somehow more rough than 7R Cid how did they do that

>>717392978 (OP)
It was really indeed. They knocked it out of the park with the combat. I wish for more games with that type of combat. The music was really good but that was mostly Uematsos rearragements from the original

>>717392978 (OP)

Anons, how can (you) post on /v/ that (you) actually like a game?! Especially, FF7 Afterbirth?! How are (you) supposed to get your contrarian upvotes and look kool on 4chan if (you) offer any positive opinions?!

/sarcasm

Played Rebirth earlier this year and haven't enjoy a game this much in years. Don't tell anybody here about that though! Don't want ruin my 4chan credibility!

>>717392978 (OP)
>shitload of mini games shoved down your throat
>segments that were 10 minutes long in the original were stretched to 1+ hours full of filler content
>literal ubishit tier map design, complete with towers that reveal map markers
>time jannies are still there
>copious amounts of zack wanking
>ruined dyne
>didnt have the balls to show aerith being stabbed
>no lake burial
>no vincent or cid because fuck you buy part 3

>>717392978 (OP)
Too bad it shits all over FF7 itself. I really like the combat and music. And some of the locations have the same soul. But they just took a big hairy, steaming dump all over the story.

>>717392978 (OP)
>having to photo shop a cigarette in his mouth
Dumb faggot nigger.
are you goingn to photoshop him being playable in the game, swearing and abusing Shera too?
Are you going to photoshop in rocket town?
Still birth was a disrespectful atrocity.

>>717394135
but it DOES have nothing to do with FF7. that's why it's an unfaithful pile of dogshit.

>>717398526
name a part of teh story they didn't change.
infact name 1 single scene they didn't needlessly change for the worse you dumb spastic.

>>717398483
Surprisingly Sony movie games are the ones doing combat that isnt Souls slop not DMC clones, God of War and Ghost of Tsushima are unique too but not as good as the FF7 Remakes
>>717394494
It's the best action combat ever made everything flows great all the characters are fun and the abilities + magic + materia builds are fun as fuck

>>717401158
>all of tifas attack animations look weak and lack impact.
>they don't even look like they're connecting.
Incredibly that lower budget games like KH2 and Dissidia have infinitely better combat animations for tifa.
she has a much better voice there too.

>>717400071
>>717398578
I know about the cigarette thing but does he really act goody goody all game
Is he not literally a grumpy wifebeater in the original game

>>717402183
He's an Aerith simp since he apparently knew Aerith's mom. Yes, it's just as retarded as it sounds.

>>717402389
>He's an Aerith simp since he apparently knew Aerith's mom
...really? Do FF7 fans that like this game actually like this dogshit "recontextualization"?
Might as well make yuffie joining the party is because she has a previous connection to tifa now

>>717401480
Meds

>>717402183
yeah he's not even remotely the same character.
he's just some sanitised happy cheeseball who's friendly all the time.

>>717402778
It's the same deal as Aerith's beat down at the Temple. There are some things in OG that absolutely will not fly with modern consoles and HD grafix. You can get away away with more when it's blocky abstraction but SE probably wants to avoid needing to explain themselves to media illiterate dipshits why Cid yelling at Shera and blaming her for everything wrong in his life, and Shera silently taking it with a smile isn't an endorsement of domestic abuse

>>717403448
If you're too much of a bitch not to ruin characters then don't make any more FF7 shit.
There are lots of games that show women getting bet up. there's no rule that you can't show it. enemies literally beat the shit out of Aerith in this very game.

You're just lying to excuse this faggot slop being turned into a sanitized saturday morning anime for toddlers.

>>717403824
Why are you getting mad at me? I believe I made my stance clear on how I feel about SE's changes when I said

>needing to explain themselves to media illiterate dipshits why Cid yelling at Shera and blaming her for everything wrong in his life

And it's not just that. It's also the removal of the kindergarten fight club in Sector 7. The kids in Remake are genuinely playing. The Honey Bee Inn being made into an inclusive night club rather than a dingy love hotel. And plenty more point being I'm agreeing with you.

The only thing I don't like about rebirth is chadlys quests, they are boring and mundane

>>717403945
You act like they can't do it.
they can, it's very easy you just do it.
Square don't have their hands tied. They're ruining everything voluntarily because they're cunts.

>>717392978 (OP)
based and true

>>717404092
Can they do it? Sure? Will they do it? No. Do they have reasons for not doing it? Yes.

The irony is you're doing the exact thing I just criticized people being assblasted about naughty parts of FF7. Just because I say "SE isn't going to do that and here's why" isn't an endorsement of that decision. Especially when I touched on why I dislike that decision. But they don't make these decisions in a vacuum. FF has been on a downswing for decades. Really starting with FF13, arguably 12, but getting bad with 15. 7 as a whole is a break glass in case of emergency type of game. SE needs 7R to succeed and part of that means dodging controversy.

>Given how famous the cross-dressing was in the original FINAL FANTASY VII, we were aware that people would have high expectations for the remake. We knew we had to do it in a way that both lived up to those expectations, but took modern sensibilities into consideration.

>For example, fans these days expect stories and dialogue in games to go beyond stereotypical depictions of gender. Through Andrea’s lines and the lyrics of the backing track, Stand Up, we tried to build in a positive and supportive message for Cloud during his cross-dressing scene
https://www.polygon.com/22547274/square-enix-co-director-toriyama-interview-honey-bee-inn-cloud-cross-dressing

They didn't fuck up Honey Bee Inn because of a secret conspiracy to ruin your childhood. They fucked up Honey Bee Inn because they don't want a bunch of trannies starting a riot at the game making fun of them for an hour. Do I agree with it? No. Out of universe it's dumb to fuck up the integrity of the game to avoid offending a small subset of people. In universe, not only does it fuck up Honey Bee, it's absurd that this slum lord bar owner in the ghetto is so inclusive to model his entire show around dressing this guy as a woman and assure him that beauty has no gender. A question Cloud didn't ask. But that doesn't mean there isn't a reason why they did it

>>717394494
Competely agree, whether fights are a slog or a breeze completely depend on the setup beforehand. The action part is negligible at best and detrimental at worst, it would've worked better as a turn based game.

I enjoyed FF7 R (both) and will enjoy the third
I enjoyed Metaphor
I enjoyed E33
I enjoyed EDF 5 and 6

>>717392978 (OP)
Wonder when we can expect a first teaser for the last game

>>717407972
Since the 3rd part will most likely be released 2027 to celebrate the OG's 30th anniversary, 2026

>Took several tries but finally beat Rufus on hard. Fuck that dog.
>Decide to finish off the final side quest since there's a thing locked behind it on Hard. Figure it's probably the combat challenge since Hard Mode only locks things behind combat.
>The Cactuars are fucking slaughtering me.
>For a change of pace, decide to do Chadley's brutal challenges.
>Seven of them are ten-round challenges. The other seven are five rounds.

Why am I doing this to myself?

Can't wait for part 3

>>717404859
How do we save FF7? Why does each new game sell less when they're so good?

>>717409295
You'll get that last game anyway. After that a break from FF7 games would be good.

>>717394798
>worst aspect of turn-based combat
Taking away infinite customization of materia birth mechanic. Infinite customization = infinite replay value. How could they fuck up such a simple concept?
>B-but anon! Cheese builds!
I dont give a shit about your skill expression. Nobody is getting their dick sucked for being good at video games.
>worst aspects of real-time combat
Lack of jump button but having abilities that can be executed only in mid-air. Hamfisted hard mode to the point of disabling an entire pillar of gameplay (items). Needlessly tight parry and execution windows.

wheres ff5 and ff6 remastered?

>>717398526
Literally and unironically yes.

>>717409929
They missed that lower budget 3D remake boat.
I fear with modern SE the only path they'll take them on is HD-2D.

>>717394843
As someone who spends their whole life defending these games on /v/ and replying to every single critical post to set them straight... you could not be more wrong. I see hate for this game every single day and it keeps me very busy.

7R was made by people who hate the original game, for people who hate the original game.

>>717400263
>name a part of teh story they didn't change.
Aerith dying.

>>717398578
>Cid is a fucking asshole who develops into a reliable friend
Was that in the original Japanese text or the shitty English "localization"?

>>717392978 (OP)
Isn't this guy a taxi driver now?

>>717411570
he flies

>>717392978 (OP)
I would play it again if they sold some DLC for a new Superboss or more colosseum challenges but I already have like 500 hours on the game, I need to move on. There is nothing else to do but Square really fucked up here, the middle game is the best one to add Dlc. People would buy it in anticipation for the 3 and final game.

>>717410938
I know you're trolling but death means absolutely nothing in 7R.
she walked in through a multiverse portal 5 minutes later.

>>717413001
Not sure if Cloud's delusions count as someone being alive.

>>717392978 (OP)
that's a stretch. goty but not near the top 20.

>>717413001
Sebby, that wasn't really her. She is dead. You've gotta let this go man.

>>717412710
They just want to get the whole thing over with, DLC is adding more wait time for the last game since it's all from the same team.

>>717413152
>>717413473
kek

>>717413152
Look dude, that cope loses all potency when Cloud pulls, not one, but TWO physical objects from the Dream Worlds to the real physical world. Also if we entertain the notion that the Dream Worlds aren't real and have zero influence on the plot... why the fuck are they there?

>>717403448
Wait they actually lobotomized Cid in the remake? It's been many years since I played the game, but the entire point of his character arc is him being a bitter asshole who is holding a grudge against his wife when she almost killed herself trying to fix a mechanical problem forcing him to stop the launch of ruin his reputation, his career and every hope of ever getting a second chance since he wasn't willing to kill her for it since he loves her...

>>717412710
Apparently, making Intermission actually delayed Rebirth a bit so that's why they don't want to make DLC for it.

Don't worry, I'm sure Part 3 will have a shitton of DLC, assuming sales are good enough to warrant it. There's plenty of bosses they could use. I know people hate Compilation shit, but being able to fight enemies like Omega Weapon and Minerva would be cool. Hell, I wouldn't mind seeing Genesis again if we can beat his face in one last time.

They shouldn't have implemented summon discovery the way they did. Even if you beat the summon raw with no shrines on hardest difficulty you only get their basic skill. Why not reward players with a full skill loadout if you beat it on challenge mode?

>>717413987
To make you feel like you don't know what will happen, even though you do.

>>717414163
Well we never see either Shera or Rocket Town in Rebirth. I'd imagine that things will start getting awkward once we actually get there.

The main reason Cid's generally happier in Rebirth is probably because he's mostly just flying around. Also, the reason they gave him history with Aerith's mom was so that they could hit it off quickly, and thus Cid can actually be affected by Aerith's death. In the original game, Aerith dies before the party gets to Rocket Town. As for whether or not that was necessary, well, I guess it depends on how you look at it.

In Advent Children, everyone in the party wears a pink ribbon in memory of Aerith. Even Cid, despite the fact that he never met her in the original game.

>>717413001
>>Name a change
>They changed one of the most iconic scenes of the entire franchise
>>That doesn't count
The game is either a remake or a spinoff. If they changed this scene then it's a spinoff.

>>717414163
So Cid is entirely different in Remake. In OG Cid is presented as a gigantic asshole who consistently rips into Shera for ruining his life. And Shera just takes it. Silently. And I knew from the beginning that there was no way in Hell the Remake would carry that over 1:1 because people who don't know where his arc goes would hate Cid immediately. So how did Remake handle his character?

Well Rocket Town is entirely skipped. Great start. Also Cid never so much as mentions Shera in the entire game. In fact, for some baffling reason, Cid knew Ifalna. He recognizes Ifalna in Aerith, and when he learns Ifalna has died, he pledges his service to Aerith in her honor. He doesn't smoke and he's less asshole and more rough uncle.

Now my theory for SE skipping Rocket Town is because if they are gonna do the Shera arc at all, they don't want the let Cid bitching her out sit all the way through the development of the 3rd game. What's more, I feel like it's going to be glossed over very quickly. Rather than Cid calling her useless and straight up telling her that she destroyed his dreams, Cid will be more cold towards her. And Shera's abuse will be self inflicted. That way dipshits don't think the party member that you're supposed to like beats his wife when Cloud isn't around

>>717414414
>Aerith dies before the party gets to Rocket Town
?????

>>717392978 (OP)
>not even 3 millions copies sold
Tranny Fantasy: Redditbirth was mogged by Clair Obscur in every single way but graphics.

>>717414536
Huh. I can maybe accept Cid knowing Aeris' mom since he was likely a pilot for Shinra in the past and if so probably flew people up north to their hometown. Everything else though? They essentially just made a new character and gave him Cid's name and skin. What a cop out.

>>717414536
Rocket Town probably wasn't skipped. It was just shifted to part 3. They probably want to actually load part 3 with a bunch of shit, but they also wanted to end part 2 at the Forgotten Capital.

My guess is that once we get there and see Shera, we'll see a "new side" to Cid that'll take everyone aback. Dude's this cheerful guy who loves flying, but the moment they go to his home, he's all depressed and pissed and cold to his secretary.

>>717414536
>multiverse bullshit in the game gives Squeex the chance to clean up any of the less palatable parts of the game
>changes Cid to be a flavorless good guy
>probably really kind to Shera from the start
>knows aerith’s mom
>they ruin a fan favorite character because he’s an abusive asshole that gets better

This game wasn’t made by people that love FF, this game was made by people that love special effects and making everything “epic”. They love how “epic” FF7 is, it’s why it features more of the esoteric lore bullshit, even though that was only really interesting as something to speculate about.

>>717414840
Well that's what I meant. If they kept Rocket Town unchanged from OG then the last thing we'd see out of Cid was him being a dick to Shera who was already punishing herself for something she was 100% correct for. So for the next, let's say 3 to 5 years, Cid would've just been this unbelievable asshole and then it would've been up to the 3rd game to redeem him. And I would hate to be the writer hired to pull that off. So yeah they didn't do that. I think you're right in that they're going to compress his story into part 3, water it down a bit, and then keep it moving as fast as possible

>>717414414
>In the original game, Aerith dies before the party gets to Rocket Town

Anon, you need Tiny Brono to reach Temple if Ancients and Forgotten Capitol

>>717414992
Technically, I think his abusive language towards her was an American addition. In Japan, he's cold towards her, and he's not forcing her to stay. Shera sticking around is her own decision. Cid just wants nothing to do with her, but doesn't kick her out. He's not enough of a dick to force her to leave against her will, but he's not obligated to be friendly towards her either. That's the sort of situation they're in.

>>717415096
Possible. Still I almost want to see the meltdown when Cloud asks Shera why she's staying in this clearly horrible situation, and then Shera says
>It's okay. I deserve this

SE's shareholders would rather commit ritual seppuku than deal with that fallout. So it'll probably be more like what you said. They live in the same house but Cid says nothing and Shera won't leave. Now sit down and drink your goddamn tea.

>>717415216
Honestly, given how Cid conducts his business, he probably doesn't really stay home much. He only returns to refuel and do maintenance, and then it's right back to the sky. The fact that his business is reliant on fucking smoke signals means that he kinda has to be in the sky doing rounds all throughout the day. He probably only returns when he absolutely has to.

>>717401480
>animations look weak and lack impact.
I said this about DMC5 and it's fans went apeshit for some reason
I think it's true for FF7R too though yeah

>>717392978 (OP)
Why does it have like a 75% approval rating on steam?

>>717401480
>>717415334
Wait those are real battle animations and got a bugged out meme clip?

>>717414431
the challenge was to name a scene the game DIDN'T change and apparently no one could do it because they needlessly fucked with everything.

>>717401480
Part of that's because she doesn't even make physical contact with the things she hits most of the time. Tifa already has the shortest range in the game, so forcing her to actually touch the things she's hitting would probably be kind of a pain in the ass. She's the strongest physical attacker in the game, but I'd imagine if you actually forced her hitboxes to be visually accurate, things might get too obnoxious even for diehard Tifafags.

Personally, there's a lot of things I don't really like about how Tifa plays despite knowing how good she is, so I tend to stick to Cloud.

>>717401158
that looks awful. advent children was a mistake

>>717415321
To be fair, I feel like SE is also trying to clean up a plot contrivance in OG. Why does Rufus need the Tiny Bronco to find Sephiroth when he just left Junon full of Gelnikas? And also, I kind of like this more active Cid. He flies freelance when he isn't rotting in the Rocket.

Then again Remake still needed to kill Palmer and since we never went to Rocket Town, that means we have to fuck up Barret's key scene at Corel. Because I will never be happy in this world

>>717415334
It's objectively true for 5.
the animations are ported from 4 and they did a bad job porting them. you can directly compare them.
4 is just way better in terms of readability, weapon FX, hit FX, sound design and impact.

>>717396575
>Great art direction
Nigger what? It's completely disjointed OG FF7 steampunk designs stick out like a sore thumb.

>>717392978 (OP)
Having to wait until the 3rd game for playable Cid so I can finally have my OG FF7 party sucks.

>>717415503
I think it was more because Dyne's kinda lame as a boss and so they needed an actual boss to close the chapter out.

>>717415454
It's not just that. It's the fact that the stagger system means things don't react to you until you break them. And while Cloud's moves still hit with a satisfying crunch and his sword gives proper length to his swings, Tifa and Red XIII feel like they're shadowboxing half the time. There was a period where I would slow my button presses to a crawl because I wanted to see what the fuck my animations were doing.

>>717415543
OG Shinra Helicopter

>>717415571
Why? I liked that Dyne was kind of a cover shooter boss. Even then, fucking put Palmer somewhere else. Why's Rufus taking part in the tournament for the keystone I'm only half complaining here, I like Rufus in every scene he's in

>>717415616
Nu Shinra helicopter, oh look its a Sikorsky UH-60 thanks Advent Children

>>717415673
Because Dyne is a solo boss for Barret, they couldn't make him too interesting. He's one of the easiest bosses on Hard and hits like a wet noodle.

Speaking of Rufus, I don't really get what's up with his rivalry with Cloud. Why is he so insistent on fighting Cloud 1v1? I mean, okay, he brings the dog too, but I don't recall him and Cloud having this sort of relationship before. Roche I can understand, but why's Rufus so keen to fight him?

>>717415689
FF7 has such a strange relationship with technology the more they try to update it. Because they have smartphones and robots yet they have this thing on the showroom floor. Which made sense in OG where the tech level was mostly steampunk

>>717415616
OG FF7 design

>>717415803
Meanwhile Rufus is rolling around in this thing

>>717415803
Take a look at all the vehicles on the showroom floor. There was some sort of "classic" theme going on there. Everything was oldschool.

Turns out you were wrong.

>>717415803
Honestly though, this thing is so retarded. Why the fuck would you design a car like this? Are you deliberately trying to get into an accident? Also what fucking benefit is there to making a pickup truck get more narrow towards the end? You are undermining the entire fucking purpose of the thing.

This truck is the culmination of all of Shinra's retardation. Like how instead of just using elevators, they have fucking STEAM TRAINS GOING UP AND DOWN AND AROUND THE MAIN CENTRAL PILLAR OF MIDGAR AT ALL TIMES.

>>717415769
You know what's funny?

>Rufus
>Why do you want to fight me?

>Cloud
>You seek the Promised Land and Sephiroth.

In OG it's actually Cloud who picks a fight with Rufus. But what's really, really funny? Remember that question about how Tifa refused to just tell Cloud the truth? Well Rufus makes it clear in Junon that he's read Cloud's file. He knows for absolute fact that Cloud is not SOLDIER. And yet it's now Rufus who refuses to blow the whistle on Cloud's identity. But unlike Tifa, who was concerned for Cloud's well being as well as a personal inability to speak her true feelings, Rufus has no reason to keep quiet other than plot.

its literal dogshit

too much dei
shit combat system
splitting up the story in 4 parts each taking years to finish

meanwhile the ps1 4disc game is out there to be emulated from start to finish

>>717416017
It is very 1950s looking by the chosen color and the back trying to emulate jet engines.

>>717415503
>To be fair, I feel like SE is also trying to clean up a plot contrivance in OG.
LOOOOOOOL by adding 10000x more? no they're not. they just ruining classic scene and tacking on dogshit story bloat with wortheless faggot OCs, backstories and juvenile idiotic bullshit like the timeghosts which are the most forced and contrived plot device ever made. They don't even work like they're stated to they only "work" in the few specific areas the devs want them to.. but the other 99.9% of the time they should be stopping the devs from ruining the story with unfaithful bullshit they're nowhere to be found.

>>717416163
No. You don't understand. Actually fucking look at it. It's a three-wheeler. This is a pickup truck with three wheels.

>>717415673
It makes sense is because it adds a presence to him seeking the forgotten capital and the promised land. Hojo attacking them at the beach is a million times worse because what the fuck why would you ruin a cool scene like that

>>717416075
Well, Rufus still seems to find Cloud useful. After all, like it or not, Cloud is kind of the only guy around who even stands a chance at dealing with Sephiroth. No one really knows WHY this is the case, but it's probably not a good idea to make the unhinged schizo even more unhinged.

Cloud is kind of an anomaly. By all accounts, he should just be a drooling robed zombie, and yet he's beating the shit out of 1st and 2nd Class SOLDIERs like they're child's play.

>>717416075
Well, Rufus still seems to find Cloud useful. After all, like it or not, Cloud is kind of the only guy around who even stands a chance at dealing with Sephiroth. No one really knows WHY this is the case, but it's probably not a good idea to make the unhinged schizo even more unhinged.

Cloud is kind of an anomaly. By all accounts, he should just be a drooling robed zombie, and yet he's beating the shit out of 3rd and 2nd Class SOLDIERs like they're child's play.

>>717416017
>NOOO my video game is not biblically accurate
Shut the fuck up retard.

>>717414536
>And I knew from the beginning that there was no way in Hell the Remake would carry that over 1:1 because people who don't know where his arc goes would hate Cid immediately.
I can't believe we can't just make remakes anymore. US driven PC corpo culture should die

>>717415803
Compilation shit has completely destroyed FF7 in universe technology. Crisis Core the prequel debuts more technologically advanced tech than OG FF7.

>>717416462
It's one of the reasons why I really like Rufus in Remake. They did a good job in playing up his pragmatism and need to surpass his father's legacy. To Rufus, Sephiroth is a pest that his father failed to clean up. And since he and Cloud have a mutual interest, he's willing to at least indulge him at times. I don't think Barret would ever tolerate a deal with Rufus but I still like the idea. Also the scene where Rufus has a meeting with the Shinra brass and he calls them out for enabling his father's stupid ass ideas was fantastic

>Reeve
>There's a question I never had the chance to ask your father. Perhaps you can speak on his behalf

>Reeve
We used Avalanche's activities as a cover to sabotage our own reactors and destroy Sector 7.
>Your father assured us these acts were in service to the Neo Midgar Project.
>However, the fact remains that we have yet to locate the "promised land" of legend, or even confirm if it actually exists.

>Rufus
>Great though he was, my father was old
>And in his dotage, he became rash
>But while we're on the subject, there's something I've been meaning to ask all of you regarding those decisions.
>Why is it that none of you even tried to stop him?

I don't know how I feel about the Glenn angle mostly because I didn't play Ever Crisis. But Rufus is one of the parts of Remake that I actually like

>>717415616
Anyone else loved FF VII and never played any of the remakes released so far?

>>717416764
Felt bad for Reeve in this scene since he DID try to stop this nonsense, but no one wanted to listen to him. So now Rufus just lumps him together with the other four.

>>717416764
Expanding on side characters is one of the strong points of the Remake series, I can’t think of anything with any of the sidecast that I disliked besides the little gay robot boy and his ai waifu. The main sin is fthem fucking canon moments with a stick every time, especially the endings of each game. ESPECIALLY especially

Holy shit what we’re they thinking with Aerith getting stabbed what the fuck were they thinking, no one talks about it besides how bookie dookie dog doo doo it is

>>717416778
I don't know if it counts but I never actually bought any of the Remakes. I played them at my local MWR

>OG FF7
>Cloud based a lot of his fake personality and mannerism on Zack the ideal soldier in his eyes
>Crisis Core gets released
>No you see Zack was actually this hela heckin genki guy
I fucking hate the compilation so much....

>>717392978 (OP)
>wait for all three of them to come out,
>mod out the the filler, and trim the fat,
>merge the remaining assets and story into a single game,
>Voila, a real Final Fantasy 7 Remake.

All I wanted was a graphics and gameplay upgrade of the original Final Fantasy 7. not multiverse crap, alternate dimensions/timelines, minigames padding or any of that shit.

PS, you can tell that near the end of FF7 Rebirth they were running out of cash, because right after you leave the temple of the ancients you get instantly dropped off at the city of the ancients.

Squaresoft had one chance, and they blew it on lazy trend-following fad marvel cinematic universe stuff.

>>717392978 (OP)
you was right nigga

>>717416912
In fairness, he wasn't exactly 1:1 with Cloud in the original either. There was always a somewhat noticeable shift in Cloud's personality when the flashback segment happens in Kalm.

>>717416876
You just know Rufus wants to fire each of them but he doesn't have anyone to replace them with. So he has to tolerate them

>>717416912
Zack was always like that though, in the nibelheim flashback he’s fucking around in the truck

>>717416990
I don't mind them changing stuff or even expanding upon it. The problem is the execution is just so laughably bad. Take Roche this i feel bad for this character because of just how horrendously executed he is. He's also soldier 3rd classfighting a guy in a 1st class uniform, you'd think he would be another guy poking at Clouds bullshit but nope he's just CUHRAZYYYYY

>>717416990
That’s what everyone wanted anon. I didn’t get the remix but my old roommate played it and my interest fucking died like a plane crash after seeing the Ubisoft ass side quest system. Holy shit why did they do that, why did they do this, WHY. Squeex seems to have this need to fuck the FF franchise, all they need to do is make a turn-based rpg. All they need to do is have one weird plot twist and have an adventure full of heart around it, not this constant buttassness that’s trying to convince people what they’re doing is *sooooo cooooool*. All i can imagine from this monkey paw game is telling my younger self that they made the remake of FF7 in hd with an open world to explore but it sucks total absolute ass so just stick to the game that you love.

>>717417312
Roche is only 3rd class because of two factors. The first is that he's kind of a loose cannon. The second is that he doesn't really want the promotion because SOLDIER 2nd Class doesn't have a bike division. In terms of ability, he definitely qualifies for at least 2nd Class.

>>717415454
It's a lot of things
1.she looks really bad because she has a frail and weak build with small shoes and tiny little hands. real tifa has bigger fists and shoes to emphasis her fighting.. and her legs and arms have a lot more meat.
2. She has really piss weak key poses with horrible pacing and no effort put into the charge up and impact.
3. Demake tifa also has no punch trails
4. KH2 and Dissidia had proper effects and tried to make her fists and feet actually make contact / communicate that they had stuck through in a defined arc.
5. Enemis lack appropriate knock back and camera shake, VFX and sound design is not used well.

the problem starts with nu-tifa exuding weakness. her re-design is pathetic and frail, even her new personality is weak and whiney.
and it ends with 7Rs animators just being shit and not knowing how to handle a brawler character.
they should have looked at BeatemUps, DMC with the Gauntlets, Streetfighter ect.

>>717417312
Remake is kind of like a comfortable chair that smells like shit. You might can ignore the smell for a while but you'll never be able to forget it. For example I really liked learning about the Junon Republic. And how Shinra expanded so quickly by usurping what they'd already built. Man maybe this Remake series was worth-
>Time Jannies
>Dream Worlds

>>717415571
Kitase said he didn't give a shit for his Dyne scene that he wrote for the original so wanted it changed.

>>717417427
The game isn't exactly built around her specifically.

>>717417419
So? He should still be poking at Clouds bullshit, there were not a lot of 1st class Soldiers. Hell there were not that many SOLDIERS even to begin with. Reno does exactly this and laughs when Cloud says he's first class.

>>717417523
Cloud never actually mentions his (alleged) rank to Roche. In fact, Roche knows nothing about Cloud whatsoever, whether it's true or not. Cloud never even claims to be an ex-SOLDIER in Roche's presence.

Also, we don't know when Roche actually joined. For all he knows, Cloud left before Roche became SOLDIER.

>>717417629
>Cloud never actually mentions his (alleged) rank to Roche
He doesn't need to mention jack shit, if you are in Soldier you cant spot a 1st,2nd or 3rd class uniform.

>>717417480
>one of the main 3 primary party members
Funny Dissidia, DMC, MGR, LoS are all hack and slash but they still make the Melee satisfying as fuck.

>>717417669
Cloud's uniform is outdated. It was discontinued and replaced with the current jumpsuit shortly after Crisis Core. No one wears what Cloud's wearing anymore.

>>717417427
more of what tifa combat should actually feel like. POWER.

>>717417465
>Time Jannies
I find it so funny when everyone was annoyed by them after FF7 Remake was released, the cultist argument was well they are dead now and the possibilities are endless in Part 2.
>Part 2 is released
>Time Jannies are unfortunately back
>*CRICKET NOISES*

>>717417961
Cloud's the power character. Tifa's the speedy one who racks up ATB and stagger quickly.

>>717417480
even with cloud they kind fucked up. I find it very funny that for a guy with a gigantic heavy sword, the combat sure doesn't reflect that. you'll see cloud hitting regular grunt enemies and they shrug it off like he's whacking them with a pool noodle.

>>717394494
You can always play in classic mode

>>717418220
It's weird how much less refined his fighting style is in Rebirth.

>>717392978 (OP)
No lie detected
the only thing anyone can even come up with as negative is that there is too much game lol which is basically their own doing anyway trying to do all optional stuff

>>717418051
Not true. Tifas punches are meant to feel like they can shake the earth.
this is the Gal who body slams monsters and punches holes through them.

only 7R tifa is depicted as weak.

>>717418413
It's called balance. If Tifa did what you say she should, Cloud becomes pointless.

>>717418465
Cloud can shoot projectiles in 7R.
Is Barret pointless?
Is Vincent? oh wait he wasn't even playable loool

They absolutely butchered Aerith's death, my god

All I know is clearly the game had effort and love put into it. Are you guys being serious. Other studios can barely put out a game that runs with basic features.

>>717414536
rocket town is literally confirmed for part 3

>>717418654
>clearly the game had effort and love put into it
Fuck off pajeet.

>>717418547
Cloud's projectiles are dogshit.

>>717417732
you can see the mako infusion soldiers have in their eyes its literally mentioned constantly in remake and in the og

>>717418721
So are barrets so I guess they're even.

>>717418547
Most if not all of Barrets options for dealing damage is long range, cloud only has one and that is to dodge and then attack. Ad naseum.

>>717418801
Barret's can build up ATB fast. Cloud's aren't much good for anything.

>>717418220
It's the core problem with the stagger slop system they insist on keeping around for some fucking reason. Every single post stagger FF
>unstaggered
>feels like you're hitting them with a feather duster but at least they fight back
>staggered
>now your hits feel like they're doing something but the enemy just sits there and lets you slap them around

>>717418465
>if they gave tifa good animations then cloud would be invalid
what sort of retarded disingenuous cope is this?

>>717418973
oh yeah even in the stagger state, the enemy doesn't react to your hits. They just don't have proper hit animations.

It really does feel like skyrim combat.

>>717418973
this is mostly bullshit the stagger thing increases damage most of the time in the range of 150% high but not so high that non stagger attacks feel like they dont do damage.
most of the damage still comes from non stagger attacks.
Also stagger is basically just the enemy being stunned like in any other game but with extra flashiness that fools you into thinking its more than that.

>>717418973
stagger is bascially just a stunned enemy like in dark souls when you hit them with a greatsword attack hell at points stagger doesnt even last as long as just a stun animation in elden ring. Its literally the same thing with added flashy effects.
Now take away stun animations/stagger from dark souls and see how shit it feels.

>>717392978 (OP)
I don't like that they made Cid a chill, likeable dude. In the original, he's an abusive cunt. So where the fuck is his subplot going if he's a nice guy? Is he gonna be just kinda standoffish to Shera instead of being five seconds away from beating her? Come on.

>stagger enemy in soulslop
>"this is fine"
>stagger enemy in hack&slash
>"this is fine"
>stagger enemy in ARPGs
>"Fuck the combat devs and fuck you for liking this faggy shit"

>>717419404
>So where the fuck is his subplot going if he's a nice guy?
I guarantee Time Jannies will be involved.

>>717419443
>ARPG
Found your problem.

>>717419160
This is what happens to a stunned enemy in a real game.
notice how they actually react to the shit they do to them.

>>717419443
>stagger enemy in soulslop or hack and slash
>enemies are still reactive to your attacks or to get a stagger you to hit a tight parry window and the stagger is only good for a couple of hits or one big one
>stagger enemies in FF
>enemies barely react at all to your hits and to get them staggered you just have to hit them a lot. When they do get staggered they just turn into punching bags for several seconds while you dump all your abilities/limits on them

>>717419578
yes and stagger a enemy in rebirth and they play a hit animation falling to their knee, dropping to the ground etc its literally the same thing just because there is a bar that shows you how long the stun animation lasts and a flashy effect doesnt mean its different...
I get that the average gamer is fooled by the bar and flashy effects but as a game designer you kinda see what is happening pretty fast. stagger in remake and rebirth are not the long drawn out build up and dump damage than it was in ff13

I still think cid is gonna seethe and rage when he is back in rocket town, there was no need for him to be an asshole in rebirth because every element that makes him pissed off is far away.

>>717419468
Pft. What, are the Whispers going to grab Cid's hand and physically force him to beat his wife? Anon, please.

>>717419657
>>717419513
>stagger enemy
>open up a window of opportunity to deal damage

>>717394135
>If it had nothing to do with FF7
it has nothing to do with FF7 other than the characters

>>717392978 (OP)
eh the combat is great, but everything else is subpar

>>717419578
that is a cherry picked example for a boss fight because credo is basically the only boss that reacts in dmc4 all the other ones (espially the non humanoid big ones) are just a non reacting wall you beat on besides neros grabs.

>>717394889
>the french jrpg out of nowhere
RENT FREE
or as the french would say:
loyer gratuit

>>717419578
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg3ZXVY4hCY

>>717419720
>its literally the same thing
yes it's the same in that a stun bar, visible or not, is a simple mechanic that has been around since.. DMC3 I think.

the difference is 7R is so badly made that once they're staggered, they stay in that 1 animation, bolt themselves to the floor and don't react to any of your hits.
it's so lazy.

>>717420112
>posts limit break
>where it always has to finish its animation, with no interruption like in the original

>>717420112
>limit break
could you be more dishonest?

watch

>>717420087

>>717418220
fun fact these enemies drink a potion that makes them immune to stun after they get damaged but i am sure you knew that are not just taking the piss

>>717416252
You ever seen a Japanese K-truck? It's just a stylized version of that.

I imagine it's made for navigating the tight city streets of upper midgar rather than filming an F150 commercial slinging dirt off a mountain in the middle of Montana

I liked Remake but Rebirth kinda sucked all around. While Remake mostly improved on the original, Rebirth straight up downgrades most sections it covers, especially Shinra Manor, Gongaga being stretched when it was just a pit stop, Dyne's death, the Midgarsormr, the fucking Costa del Sol forced minigames... and the whole thing is so incredibly padded out with Chadley bullshit.
Plus the story changes didn't really go anywhere interesting so it just feels like they're shitting on the story for no reason but to generate controversy at this point.

>>717420219
Are you saying the enemy can't move or do any animations in order for that to happen?
Funny It wasn't an issue all the way back on the PS2. you really don't understand coding.

>>717392978 (OP)
>Cid is not playable and is not abusive towards his wife
into the trash it goes

>>717420598
stop taking the piss

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/RFZanOrnD-8

>>717420620
>shorts
learn how to convert the URL to youtube.com/watch if you want to be taken seriously.

>>717420598
Comparing anything to KH2 just isn't fair
Too bad SE stopped Nomura from putting that whole team back into action with Versus, we could have had the greatest ludo

>>717420274
I"m sorry why should the enemy NOT react to your most powerful attack again?
what are you saying you retarded shill?

>>717420727
i know that you watched it because you right now have no argument and need to bitch about a link

I said this in 2008 and i'll say it again.
RPGs should only use voiced dialogue for important plot moving events, generic who gives a fuck tier dialogue from a npc in a text box please...

>>717420826
Nomura fucked around wasting thousands of man hours and then kept scrapping everything with nothing to show, then kept coming back to them with retarded ideas like
>I wanna change everything and turn it into a musical

He deserved to get fired from that role. should have been fired from the company.
then he wouldn't have been able to turn 7R into a faggot musical toddler show.

>>717420910
You haven't made any arguments.
you're supposed to be telling me why rufus should not react to being fucked up by clouds strongest attack.

Switch 2 release when?

>>717419578
The enemies in the FF7 youtube links react more than this dude and DMC4 is a dedicated action game only while FF7 games are huge sprawling rpgs with over 120 different enemie models and more controllable characters than DMC4 with more ablities on top of it thanks to the materia system (especially rebirth). Bascially FF7 as a rpg literally beats DMC4 as action game despite DMC4 only being a action game and FF7 rebirth being a gigantic 200 hour open world rpg.

>>717421230
late 2026

>>717392978 (OP)
>and turns out i was right.
lmao

>>717421365
thanks bro

Me? Gongaga!

>>717392978 (OP)
Man I wish I was as deluded as you.

>>717421324
Is that so?
show me this low quality shit happening in DMC4.

>>717419657
This

>>717419404
And yet it will be defended to the death by people who would have loved it no matter what. All they want is more time with the characters. It doesn't matter if it's tedious, boring, nonsensical, badly written, insulting to your intelligence, utter trash. You could make a 100 hour game set in Seventh Heaven and they'd like it, because they get more time with the characters. At some point they became obsessed with the characters, but don't actually care about the story or the game they're in.
Is AC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is BC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is CC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is DoC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is 7R good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.

>>717392978 (OP)
This game was fucking stupid. Generic Unreal Engine trash that completely destroys certain characters and is filled to the brim with retarded and unfun minigames.

>>717421898
Isn't DoC commonly memed as the worst FF game of all time?

>>717421324
Anon i think you might be disabled.
I recommend stop watching the retard who gives you these awful opinions.

>>717422019
yeah but that was before 7R was made.

>>717421727
Bros doing the biden dementia shuffle.
he doesn't even realize he's being hit with a huge sword.

>>717422019
You're not gonna get an honest response

>>717422019
Yes but shit like DoC and AC can still get a pass in the FF7 community because they have these characters in them. While the rest of the world can point at these objectively shit things they have to mindbreak themselves into thinking they're good and being """happy""" when Nero and Weiss show up in Remake.

>>717422205
Damn... and not refuted a single time.

>>717422019
Yes but it's kinda funny bad so some FF fans tend to cut it some slack

>>717422242
I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. I've never heard anyone defend DoC. And the only praise I've ever heard for AC is that the fights were cool and it's better than Spirits Within.

>>717421898
I love how posting these facts always riles up the same people who prove it's true

>>717422242
Sonon the Hedge- original character by nomura.
he's eveyones favorite FF7 party member.
Tragically killed by Shadow the edgehog. His death was 10 more impactful than 7R Aerith (but for the wrong reasons).

>>717418693
Games have come so far......... down the shitter.

>>717422575
Remake has not changed the plot at ALL
The story is the SAME
In the original it was always IMPLIED that Yuffie and Sonon were in Midgar and met NERO THE SPOOKTACULAR

>>717422575
is this real?

>>717422575
Characters like this is just something that inherently plague remakes/prequels.
Oh they were so amazingly important yet, they are never really mentioned ever by their peers. Another example is Roche who shows up after the Shinra mansion to duel with Cloud, and the man ends up expiring in front of everyoen and nobody gives a fuck or even acknowledges the poor sod.

>>717422804
>In the original it was always IMPLIED that Yuffie and Sonon were in Midgar and met NERO THE SPOOKTACULAR

>>717422804
>Remake has not changed the plot at ALL
all thanks to time jannies

>>717422804
I didn't know who Weiss was before FFVIIR and reading his wiki page made me realise compilationfags are just another breed of sonic autists.

>>717422804
yes very funny how yuffie has no memory of Nero when she sees him in DoC.
You'd think she'd remember the guy who killed her best friend and super important original character Sonon.
Clearly all of this happened in the OG because if it didn't the time traveling plot ghosts would have stopped them from being there...

hmm....

>>717423172
IT'S NOT A MULTIVERSE
It's just a timelo-
No, no, an alternate di-
No, it's... it's...
Look, the lifestream is a VERY mysterious entity, okay?

>>717423091
There's a reason why the compilation project died.

>>717423278
aparently it didn't, we still have remake, rebirth and the next one

>>717422950
Resident Evil does the same with 0 and REMAKE doesn't even acknowledge it.
Hey did you know that Rebecca could have blown the lid on everything, the first time she met Chris?
She did in fact have all the information that Umbrella was behind it, Wesker was a traitor, encountered Hunters and a Prototype Tyrant. But no instead she runs around like a doofus school girl.

>>717423278
anon...

>>717421898
sadly true

anyone have any tips for chadley's VR challenges. i'm stuck on hellion's intonement, i had put the game down for a few months after getting up to chapter 12 on hardmode, i just got burnt out on it. i want to finish chadley's vr stuff before continuing so i can use gotter for the endgame boss rush chapters and finally plat this thing, but i'm finding it really hard to, like, remember how to play good lol. maybe i need to just start hardmode over again for practice or just go to earlier chapters

>>717425276
>tips for chadley's VR challenges
yeah, don't bother and go play a better game

>>717420274
>>717420219
>limit break animation is static in one of the most important boss fights in part one of the remake
why did they put more effort into FFVIII decades prior?

>>717425276
Is there an enemy that gives you trouble

>>717415543
Looks good to me
>>717415484
Shit taste
>>717409571
Yes but why is the FF franchise declining in sales? 16 wasnt very good but all the others should have way higher sales

>>717401158
this shit is so ass

FF7 is a Nintendo franchise man

>>717414625
But Rebirth is better in very way, it sold more cause tourists who don't like Jkino

>>717401158
>hud turned off so you can't see the player is just spamming square

>>717418220
>>717418349
>>717418973
>>717419126
>>717419578
You didnt learn the game

>>717427956
Late gen x and millenials are the baby boomers of gamers, for every person who quits playing there aren't enough zoomers or alphas to plug the holes. Now what complicates things further is that zoomers and alphas have different gaming habits from the before mentioned generations. There are people who have been playing games for 15-20+ years and have spent it solely playing Fortnite, LoL, Roblox and Minecraft.
>Yes but why is the FF franchise declining in sales?
Because it failed to produce even 7-8/10 games consistently.

>>717428554
this

>>717428392
Rebirth is a theme park game designed for action game tourists

>>717428625
this
it's an "action game" for people who play final fantasy. actual action game fans know this is garbage, but to people who are used to menus as combat, it's mindblowing

>>717392978 (OP)
God those graphics look so shit. No soul at all.

>>717428754
>actual action game fans know this is garbage
I've played some pretty shitty action games, Rebirth isn't in the low tier for me.

>>717428798
what are some things you don't like about rebirth or its combat?

>>717428120
>>717428554
>>717428601
Filtered, this game requires more decision making than DMC

>>717428625
>Rebirth is a theme park game designed for action game tourists
>>717428754
>this
>it's an "action game" for people who play final fantasy. actual action game fans know this is garbage, but to people who are used to menus as combat, it's mindblowing

>>717429023
oh I'm sure the hud would reveal lots of complex menu choices being made and not just brainless mashing lol

>>717392978 (OP)
I liked it and I have problems with it but people that jerk it off are delusional

>>717392978 (OP)
I still want to play it because it looks great, but I'm a little disappointed they turned Cid into Funky Kong instead of a playable character.

>>717429103
Yes, if you button smash the enemies are damage sponges, it's meant to be that way to keep you from button smashing, it's a perfect combat system

Stagger bars are just a worse form of HP bloat. Hybrid combat systems are worse than pure action or pure turn-based.

>>717421898
Truth nuke deployed
>>717429623
Truth nuke radiation detected

>>717392978 (OP)

They shouldn't have bloated it so much with mini games. Who the hell designs endgame mini games for mid-game pacing and then FORCES the player to play them or you can't progress forward. Its fucking bonkers and awkward game design. At least in the original you only Chocobo raced ONCE to get out of the prison sentence.

>>717392978 (OP)
I'd agree if it wasn't that bloated.
And no I don't complain about "more content", I complain about almost every activity besides doing the mainquest ending up feeling like doing chores.
Every fucking thing turns into a collectathon, high-score bullshit.
And no, simply "not doing it" is not a sensible option if it's just shoved in shit that could've been implemented in a much better way.