Thread 717400901

Let's chat about it

>>717400901 (OP)
Why?

>kill bad guys
>get bad end

I thought the game was gonna be over then it went another 3 hours and wore out its welcome.

>>717400901 (OP)
good but not as good as dark messiah

sequel was mediocre

Meeting Daud made me wish that I could play as Daud, then the DLC happened and I felt even more disgusted playing as Corvo because of how cool Daud was portrayed.

>>717401197
>Kill innocent men just doing their job, protecting the city from the man who was caught murdering the empress
>Get the bad ending
Wow! Bugged morality system. Arkane World Order.

He fucks the daughter right?

I liked it alot, got %100 achievements for Dis 1 and 2, didnt like the third one with billie lurk.

>>717401338
They could've not made the story be complete opposition to the player having fun playing the game. The stealth was the most tedious garbage ever in its own right let alone when compared to the combat powers they dangled in front of you.

>>717401338
>innocent men
>protecting the city
the guards are corrupt and are shown terrorizing innocent citizens constantly DOE

>>717401348
Yeah and there's a minigame involved.

honestly don't really remember much about it. didn't hate playing it, not an awful game, kinda overrated. ehhh..

>>717400901 (OP)
Ummm question
Should we gather for whiskey and cigars tonight?

>>717400901 (OP)
The pub was comfy. Always liked coming back to my crew after a mission. Before everything went to hell.

>>717401226
if anything it was way shorter than expected
>>717400901 (OP)
both 1 and 2 are great games

Decent game. The plot, exploration, art design and VA work was good. The dialogue and characters themselves were very dull. Left way too much meat on the bone. I played through twice for what it's worth but Prey was significantly better

>>717401832
>Prey was significantly better
not really if anything they are very similar in quality

Probably a decade ago I stopped at the mission right before the ball. Should I finally do it?

CAN
YOU
FEEEEL
THE
NEW
DAY
RIIIISING

>>717400901 (OP)
Personally I think it sucks.
The morality system makes no sense and could not exist in Dunwall
The crux should've revolved around the powers and fleshing out what it means to work with the outsider and wether or not that's good or corrupting
The outsider can play innocent but he gives his power to horrible people all the time and actively made them worse like the torturer

>>717400901 (OP)
doing a full power run takes longer and sometimes harder than a no power run and it confuses me

>>717402195
it's a good thing society doesn't take opinions of the mentally disabled serious then

>>717401902
Yes the ball mission is utter kino

>>717402413
Dishonored convinced me Harvey Smith can't be responsible for Deus Ex being great he's just incapable and a hack

>>717401348
Yes

>>717402195
>The morality system makes no sens
Dishonored doesn't have a morality system, it has a chaos system.

>>717401317
the intro to that DLC was so fucking sick, seeing the empress being assassinated from Daud's POV

>>717401197
It's not a bad ending for you.

>>717401197
>killed bad guys
>got low chaos end
Is baby sad the NPC called him a retard from chimping out?

>>717401610
Indeed. I believe so.

>>717401197
>kill soldiers that are just doing their job
>get other ending that isn't necessarily bad
:O

>have fun
>get bad end

>>717401197
>cops doing their job are bad guys
Average Dishonored hater inteligence
Also you need to commit full on genocide to get the "bad" ending (which is actually grimdark kino) and the game won't care you stabbed some cops if you keep your murder instincts in check

>>717406641
>have fun killing
>game spawns more guys to kill for you
>you get a KINO grimdark ending that is cooler than "wow, you're such a good person man, here's your win because you're so good and stuff"
>this is bad
Ok

>>717406901
no i need a pat on the back at the end of my playthrough or all the fun i had up until that point is invalidated

>>717401338
I don't remember if the heart did the same shit as the one in dishonored 2 since I never fiddled with it, but in the second game you can her the guards secrets and at least half of them are psychopaths, rapists and robbers. I kind of wish there was some sort of reward for only killing the bad guys, it would've been cool

how do i become daud?

>>717403848
Why does every redditor like you go out of your way to be a cunt? Is it some sort of cult where you have to make everyone not just hate you but every stance you have as well? Or is it just the case of zero social skills from someone with egos higher than intelligence?

>>717401483
>a few cops use excessive force on civilians so all cops are bad and deserve to be murdered!
this is your logic

>>717401832
I love Prey, but it has a huge failing in that its enemies are just indistinct blobs. I get that they're 'shadows' and meant to be amorphous, but not having a more defined aesthetic for the game's primary enemies is what I think kept the game from getting the recognition that the rest of its design deserved.

>>717401442
>They could've not made the story be complete opposition
But the story is in perfect synchronicity with the plot? As in, few games have a narrative that blends itself with the game's story as well as D1 does. Maybe you were just filtered?

>>717402195
It's not a morality system

I finished the first one for the first time yesterday, should I do another play through or just go do the second one?

>>717409723
Do the DLCs. Second game is worse.

>>717409773
but they cost money, and I've already bought the second

>>717401483
Yeah, you point the heart at any of them and it always tells you shit like "this one gives poisoned food to orphans because he thinks it's funny" or "they begged him for mercy but he cut their throats because his shift was over".

>>717409837
Ignore that faggot and go play the second game. At the very least, you'll still appreciate the map design of the sequel where they really applied what they learned from Dishonored 1.

You can play as Corvo himself or the daughter, and they're both based in their own ways.

>>717409837
Then why ask to begin with. Also >>717250351

>>717401338
>>717403848
>>717404082
>>717406838
>Underage contrarian midwits trying to act smart.
Giving the player 15 different ultra-mega-assassinator 9000 tools and then actively punishing the player for using any of them, i.e. for playing the fucking game, is an absolute retardation before the question of morality ever comes in.

>>717409902
Retard

>>717409997
>actively punishing the player
You think the game giving you more guards, more people to kill, thus making you use more of your "15 different ultra-mega-assassinator 9000 tools" is actively punishing? Thank you for your input, mega moron.

>>717409723
Play the Daud DLCs, they're the peak of the franchise

>>717409997
We've been having this same argument for 13 years. At some point you gotta accept that you're in the wrong and got mad because a game dared react to your actions.

>>717409997
the "punishment" argument was disproved the same week the game came out

>>717409997
>actively punishing the player for using any of them
No it does not? In no way does the game punishes you out of content for going lethal, it only changes the atmosphere of the later part of the game, the reaction of NPCs towards you, and the game finale.

Imagine you have children, and physically abuse them when they misbehave instead of choosing the non-violent option of talking to them, and now they are adults and they hate you and do not want to see you ever again. Would you complain that parenting is punishing you for using lethal correction?

>big brain
Playing the game the way you find most fun without worrying about contrived morality mechanics
>small brain
Autistically playing the game in a way solely to get the 'good' ending that you can just look up on youtube afterwards

>>717401197
>>717409997
>>717401483
>This fucking shit again
The canon choices Corvo made included several assassinations, including the beheading of the Lord Regent. You, as Corvo, are expected to seek retribution here and there, but you're also forced to acknowledge that Dunwall is falling and the last thing the city needs is a terrorist with OP magic powers. That doesn't make you a pacifist.

I don't understand how this could be detrimental to the overall experience,. The entire POINT of the game is that holding onto every grudge/trauma in your life will only harm you, and potentially those around you, in the end. Not to say that retribution is inherently bad. Retribution just needs to be productive and not (completely) fueled by hatred and uncontrolled rage.

>>717407214
maybe he's just sick of the same bad faith retard reply poisoning discussion of one of the best games of the 7th gen on /v/

>kill people
>get bad ending just because
there's a reason for that, it's like you cocksuckers didn't pay any attention to the world. and no, nothing like "hurr killing is le bad"

>>717400901 (OP)
wish i could just run through the game with all the powers at the start

>>717410794
You can if you play on PC

>>717410605
>The canon choices Corvo made included several assassinations, including the beheading of the Lord Regent.
But in the second game there's an abandoned apartment that used to be occupied by lord regent loyalists with letters strewn across it saying that the lord regent's arrest was unlawful, so the nonlethal option where you get him arrested is canon.

>>717411014
presumably is an arrest followed by a public beheading

>>717411080
it's*

>>717403121
Why are pedos more creative than the average guy?

>>717411080
So it's not an assassination then.

>>717400901 (OP)
wokeslop

It's weird that the non lethal way to take out targets is more cruel than killing them

>argument about getting punished for using powers
>complaining about 2 and death of the outsider
>crying about female protagonists and muh woke
>complaining about the outsiders voice being changed
These threads are always the same.

>>717400901 (OP)
Shall we gather for CP and lol threads tonight?

>>717411014
>>717411014
Yeah it was more of an execution and it took place after the story's conclusion. He did assassinate the Pendletons and Havelock, however.
>>717411362
>crying about female protagonists and muh woke
>complaining about the outsiders voice being changed
/v/'s post-mortem of Dishonored 2 is "decent game with a dogshit story". It had great potential but Arkane changed drastically after they releaased Dishonored. We're lucky we got the first game and its two DLC's before they went to shit.

>>717411409
Things are bad. Could this board get any worse?

>>717411793
Another night, another (you) with you.

>>717411258
That's what's fun. As stated in the thread the chaos system is not a morality system. Cutting the twins' tongues and condemning them to a life of slavery in their own mines isn't very moral, but it takes care of the situation without as much chaos as killing them in the middle of the brothel.

>>717411362
I'm just glad people start talking about the second point. For a long while there I felt I was the only one noticing the issues with D2 and anons in threads would tell me I was crazy. Fastforward to now and more and more people are bringing up stuff I was discussing back in 2018~9.

>>717411663
The Pendletons are the one target whose canon outcome we don't know, actually. The Overseer speech in front of their enclave in D2 mentions a branded Campbell, one of the books mentions Lady Boyle having been kidnapped, one of the comics shows Corvo killing Havelock, and D2 states both that the Regent was imprisoned and that Corvo executed him. The Pendletons are entirely ignored.

>>717400901 (OP)
>choke out enemy
>quicksave
>choke out next enemy
>quicksave
>choke out third enemy
>quicksave
>get spotted
>reload
>choke out fourth enemy
>quicksave
>choke out fifth enemy
>quicksave
>get spotted
>reload
>choke out sixth enemy
I blame my (actual, diagnosed) OCD, but I also blame the game for being designed like shit.
>if you kill enemies, the plague will spread and that's BAD
>also, here's a shitload of gadgets and moves to kill everyone

>>717412145
>>717410135

>>717412145
I remember being that kind of OCD retard then I got real life problems and stopped caring about such little things.
Besides I did a playthrough less than four months ago and despite killing on a whim when guards pissed me off I got low chaos through the full game. So you need to go murder hobo to get slapped back by the game.

>>717412232
your attention citizens, the overseer is a NIGGER.
*leaves island because nobody can recover from that so Corvo knows the job is done*

>>717410605
>headcanon
You and the other shills are reaching so fucking hard to justify the game's bullshit - like, stockholm syndrome-tier. The contrarionism is astounding.

>>717412247
>I remember being that kind of OCD retard then I got real life problems and stopped caring about such little things.
Then you don't actually have OCD, anon. I can't just turn it off. It's literal mental illness. Chemical brain imbalance. Are you one of those retards who also tell depressed people to just stop being depressed?

I do have a job and life BTW. Even in my crosswired brain, I can still see Dishonored was the drizzling shits.

>>717410135
Sending more enemies toward the player is the very definition of punishment, you mouth-breathing, window-licking, knuckle-dragging, retard.

>>717412383
Just go around killing people, retard. The game even spawns more enemies specifically for people who skip stealth.

Will it elevate the imsim genre? Or will we forever be choosing:

A.) break the wall
B.) go through the vent
or C.) hack the terminal

in a world with NPCs stuck in idle animations with smart-but-dumb AI?

>>717412635
Don't know about you but I don't trust the dude that hasn't directed a game in 12 years, whose last game was Infinite, and who is known for being hard to work with and changing and cut content on a whim. Now, Raphael Colantonio's next game, on the other hand...

Is Dishonored 1 Definitive Edition worth buying? It's on sale.

probably my favorite game world.
sad that they treated it like that with the shitty story in DotO. how did daud even get the idea that the outsider was killable? and then it's just "oh man i got treated badly, so sad. woe is me" from all sides

i don't think there's another stealth series where it's actually easier to ghost and avoid guards than it is to knock everyone out.
tfw pandyssia never ever

>>717412607
>Sending more enemies toward the player is the very definition of punishment, you mouth-breathing, window-licking, knuckle-dragging, retard.
But you guys always want to use your assassination tools to their fullest extent?

>>717412607
>"Are you one of those retards who also tell depressed people to just stop being depressed?"

Yeah stop being depressed you depressed piece of shit

>>717411230
correct

>>717412693
Don't know where you're buying it but on console this shit is stuck at 30fps with 70° something fov and that's criminal. Yeah even "modern" ports.
I played all of it on it though.

>>717413104
PC

>>717413121
So all good I suppose
Enjoy the dlcs too they're cool

>>717400901 (OP)
Death of the outsider launcher is broken and I'm far too lazy to look into fixing it. How good is it?

>>717409520
>but the stealth is supposed to be shit so its okay
Surem

>>717401197
>kill bad guys
>get rewarded with cooler levels

>>717413274
I heard the bank robbery is great, shame I dropped the game there. I just didn't feel invested in the story at the time and so I left thinking I'd start over later. Then I learned the game is ultra short lol so it's killing my mood to play.

>>717413274
First mission is 30 minutes long and you don't have powers. Second and third mission reuse maps. Fourth mission reuses the Royal Conservatory map from D2 but cut down. Fifth mission is a linear affair akin to Light at the End. Plot ruins Daud and further ruins the Outsider.

>>717413480
>that ugly face
What were they thinking?

>>717413480
>Tetanus ain't shi-

>>717413525
The usual suspects infiltrated Arkane. Billy Lurk had no reason to be in 2.

>>717412607
>enjoy killing people
>get more people to kill
>this is punishment
Lol

>>717400901 (OP)
Overrated.

>>717416446
Hardly. It's beloved, but you don't see threads about it 24/7, most threads die within 200 replies and when they do get discussion it's always divided because people can't help themselves and always post >>717401197

>>717416340
Dishonored really isn't that good, anon. You don't have to defend it so diligently. It's ok to accept its flaws.

>>717416640
You openly spreading misinformation about the game in question is not the game's fault.
Actually look into how the chaos system works - you're allowed to kill a large amount of enemies and still get the "good" ending.
Secondly, the chaos system basically adapts the game to your playstyle - if you're sneaky, then the game makes it easier for you to stealth with less enemies in your path. If you go out of your way to kill enemies, the game will spawn more enemies for you to fight.
Third, you're crying that the game actually reacts to your actions during gameplay instead of endings being decided by dialogue choices
And finally, the high chaos ending is way more kino.

>>717412607
Killing enemies is an opinion and you chose to do it. The game assumes from this that’s it’s something you want to be doing, otherwise would wouldn’t be fucking doing it so much. It then rewards you with a version of events with more enemies and more violence.

Should I go back and play Daud's DLC. I beat Dishonored like 10 years ago and didn't feel the motivation to play any more

>>717417756
Replay the base game, then play Daud's DLCs

Would Dishonored be a better game if it was an RPG

RIP Viktor Antonov
His unique art style brought life to both Dishonored AND Half Life 2

Prey > Dishonored

>>717401317
R.I.P. Michael Madsen
Dishonored has such a good cast I wonder how they got so many real actors

>>717412775
>The Black Parade tier fan missions never ever
If only Dishonored was easier to mod.

>>717413525
All characters in Dishonored and Prey are ugly.

>>717420581
I want to save one of the Golden Cat's courtesans

Should we gather for whiskey and cigars tonight?

>>717420753
I wonder if those 360 couches exist in real life. They seemed really comfortable in the game.

>>717420998
Never doubt it!

>>717421315
*daud it

>>717420135
i had no idea this was the cast. i don't watch movies so i didn't really recognize anyone just by voice, but that's impressive. no wonder the voice acting was so good compared to other games.
glad they didn't use brits

>>717418145
Only if it was one of those "once in a generation, lighting in a bottle" RPGs. Otherwise it'd be strictly inferior to what we got and Dunwall would be wasted as a setting.

How does the game compare to Prey? I really loved it, but never got around to playing Dishonored. I think I did play through the tutorial once and it seemed to be really aping from Thief.

>High chaos is bad
This entire board would be saying how kino high chaos is if it was just some binary choices each level. But, because the video game actually reacts to how you play it instead of being a CYOA book, you're suddenly being punished and faggots were so filtered we won't get more shit like it.

>>717421678
There are different levels instead of one giant map. Also more verticality since blink lets you climb almost anywhere easily. You’re more encouraged to be stealthy. The powers/gadgets you have can be used and combined to pull off some fun tricks to sneak by or kill people. Don’t be tricked into playing non lethal only, have fun playing however you want. You can still get the “good” ending if you kill all your targets and not too many extra NPCs.

>>717401197
>kill every guard you come across
>spiraling the plague out of control by letting weepers roam free and criminals rob normal people
>and let people break curfew
>the city becomes chaotic

>the year of our lord 3000-975
>people still havent figured out that the heart doesnt actually tell us the secrets of other people, but solely exists to tempt corvo into killing and letting loose
>which is the exact thing the outsider wanted to see corvo do
He is evil niggers he wants you to ruin everything. He didnt just give you black magic powers to help you save the country he wanted to see you burn it all down for his amusement

>>717423149
You had to start with such a good point (which is why the Heart is shit in D2 btw) only to end with such a bad one. The Outsider is very much neutral. Every person he ever gave the Mark to had the same choice Corvo did. They could've all been the Low Chaos equivalent of their personal stories.

>>717410794
>gives up lady boyle to her stalker rapist for the rest of her life
>make the pendelton twins get kidnapped, their tongues cut out, and forced to work to death in their own mines
>have the high overseer kicked out of his own order and left to starve to death in the street
They all deserved it, but "clean hands" is real bullshit

>>717423298
>The Outsider is very much neutral.
Giving weapons of mass destruction to people to see "what happens" isn't neutral man. I know he doesn't care what you do with them and is satisfied either way, but he certainly isn't neutral. He would be an accomplice in crime in most legal jurisdictions. Because he is pushing you towards killing regardless of what he claims, otherwise the heart would not work like that. Because according to it everyone in Dunwall and Karnaca, including the civilians, are murderers who kick puppies for fun.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Daud already an assassin when the Outsider gave him powers? It's been a while since I played the games.
You could argue that him giving the mark to Delilah was neutral, but Corvo and Daud were certainly not. If I supply weapons to gangs I'm not suprised when they use them for crime

>>717420135
Im certainly not complaining but I always wondered why they used such insane star power for such big players in dishonored 1. So strange that Lena Hadley is the Maid you may have 2 conversations with on your first playthrough, or fucking Carrie fisher as a woman you probably won’t even meet in the flooded district

>>717423792
>Giving weapons of mass destruction to people to see "what happens" isn't neutral man
Would (You) become a school shooter if a dude gave you an AK tomorrow?
>he is pushing you towards killing regardless of what he claims
Powers are canonically based on who you already are as a person. He doesn't personally choose to give "Power A to Corvo and Power B to Granny Rags", it's something that the Void itself chooses when you're bound to it. Thus people natural born leaders like Daud and Delilah get the ability to share their power with others, while Emily the Empress got the likes of Domino or Doppelgänger. Point being, people are given the magical equivalent of a loaded pistol, but the intent is very much still their own. They're not brainwashed. Daud's whole character arc (before DotO throws it out the window) is based on reflecting on his choices, seeing himself in Corvo, and feeling guilty for not having chosen differently.
>wasn't Daud already an assassin when the Outsider gave him powers
Never outright confirmed but pretty much implied:
>"The earliest stories tell of a gang-killer without mercy, moving among the shop keepers and City Watch officers of Dunwall like a reaper through wheat. Then a period of silence followed; years we now believe he spent traveling the Isles, studying anatomy and the occult in the great halls of learning and in hidden basements frequented by fellow dabblers in the forbidden arts. All the while, he honed his craft, and it is during this time that we believe he began to consort with the Outsider. New reports emerged of a dusky-skinned assassin, paid by the elite to eliminate their rivals in Dunwall and in the other major cities across the Isles. Those who saw him and lived numbered in the handful, but all of them reported something strange. He appeared and vanished like smoke"
Which supports what I'm saying: Daud *had already chosen to be an assassin* before being given powers. The Mark didn't change him.

>>717424371
To be fair, Dishonored came out in 2012 so it wouldn't surprise me if the VA recording happened in 2011. If it was right around the time GOT S1 came out I doubt Lena Headey was as popular as she'd be only a handful of years later. As for Carrie Fisher, she's actually the loudspeaker announcer you can only hear in the last visit to the pub if you kill the original during Return to the Tower
https://youtu.be/E4g_kFCMw98?t=1659

>>717424714
>Would (You) become a school shooter if a dude gave you an AK tomorrow?
No but there is a difference between an average joe and a man with nothing to lose and every reason to snap, like Corvo. That was the point of my gang example, you gotta look at the people he is doing these favors for. Daud was a merciless killer. Corvo was no stranger to violence. Delilah at least was once an optimistic painter who seemed like a better person that Sokolov for example. So giving her powers may not be a terrible idea, but when you give powers to Daud he will, of course, use them to kill more. You could certainly argue he would do so anyway, sure, however that isn't really an excuse. You could also argue
that Corvo could have exacted his revenge without powers (you physically cant beat return to the tower without blink unless you do a spring razor glitch for height, but if it wasnt for the level design he absolutely could).
My point is that you can't claim to be neutral when you support people with an agenda because by supporting them, and enabling their plans, you are furthering their cause. Ergo the Outsider is evil because he encourages killing

>>717425520
>a man with nothing to lose and every reason to snap, like Corvo
Yet he didn't snap, did he? As the ending itself puts it, "You watched and listened when other men would have shouted in rage. You held back instead of striking". If he was able to do it, why couldn't others? Why is the point of Daud's DLCs that "I've learned that our choices always matter to someone, somewhere. And sooner or later, in ways we can't always fathom, the consequences come back to us"?
>you gotta look at the people he is doing these favors for
People that seem interesting. An ambitious killer, a mistreated baker's apprentice, a betrayed bodyguard. Hell, he Marked the Lonely Rat Boy. Doesn't sound like someone with major social or political power to me.
>My point is that you can't claim to be neutral when you support people with an agenda
But no one tells Corvo to get Emily back by slaughtering the entirety of Dunwall, nor did the Outsider tell Delilah to become a witch or Emily to get her throne back by drowning Karnaca in blood. We just see the character differently, because I see the Outsider as a True Neutral entity with no ulterior motives nor goals he fights towards or puts his weight behind. Save the Empire in Low Chaos or bring about its downfall by getting Emily killed in the highest of High Chaos: he doesn't care.