Thread 717413720

Why did they do it?

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>>717413720 (OP)
is this what happens when you remove Nomura

>>717415336
Never give Nomura anything other than a side gig

Ayo hol up...

This felt like the last chance for JRPGs to really be a big thing again. Why couldn't they just find a way to make the game Nomura wanted. It could've reversed so many bad trends as well by bringing back text-only dialogue, controlling the characters during cinematics, deeper combat, etc.

>>717416535
But who else is left at SE?

>>717417769
Um...

>>717417723
>Why couldn't they just find a way
That would require SQEX upper management to not be a bunch of retards.

Was just thinking about ffxv yesterday and how square might never make a good ff game again.
ffxv is such a weird game, it starts as a very mediocre game, builds up into an almost good game and then drops the fucking ball and dumps the worst content ever imagined back to back until the game ends. Like what the fuck happened in the studio, you can see how much they used resources to make the fucking venice City just for it to be couple of hallways. FUCKKKKK

>>717413720 (OP)
don't remind me......

>>717418410
>Like what the fuck happened in the studio
Everyone left. Literally. People don't seem to understand how much talent SQUUUX has bled over the last decade and a half. It's in the small news, "this legendary programmer/designer/writer leaves SE", but people don't pay attention.

>>717417723
Because he wouldn't stop. If you ask a man to build you a house, you expect a house, you don't turn up 5 years later and he's half finished a giant wizard tower and upset that you don't see the vision of how fucking radical this wizard tower is going to be.

yeah

>>717417723
>Why couldn't they just find a way to make the game Nomura wanted.
JRPGs are in that state because they let people like Nomura do what they want.
Look at Kingdom Hearts, it's completely retarded.
JRPGs are in that state because japs can't write for shit. Dogshit pacing and story in a genre that relies on good world building, characters and story.
You get a shit story, maybe a shitty "mystery" (just the game withholding information, you start the game with a 3h lore dump exposition before you get to play and explore

>>717420327
lmao, fuck off plebe faggot

>>717420507
Are you telling me that the writing in KH or FF7R is good?

>>717413720 (OP)
still this boring comparison battle over ff15? at least this game is better than ff16, and even ff slop 7

>>717421090
>KH or FF7R
>these games represent JRPGs as a whole

>>717420327
Jrpgs are in a bad state because of jap devs deepthroating western ideas and influence. Dragon Quest 11 was pure kino and the best jrpg since ffx because it had zero western interference.

>>717421434
True. But that's not saying much, now is it.

>>717413720 (OP)
Why was the marketing for FFXV so ridiculously huge? Yes, it’s Final Fantasy, but it was like this game would become the greatest videogame ever.

>>717421807
Overcompensating and targeting the gaijin audience.

you all say you hate post-processing but this image proves that you fucking loved bloom. you are all gay.

>>717413720 (OP)
Left was made by a guy who's been making kino for 10 years while right is made by a mobile game guy (lmao)

>>717421973
more like KINOom

Fainaru Fantaji?

>>717413720 (OP)
Final Fantasy XIV proved that 15 and Versus were not real.

>>717422845
what did he mean by this

>>717421532
I used them as an example because of Nomura.
You can use counterarguments if you want to.

>>717421540
DQ XI was boring

>>717413720 (OP)
ff lost its soul after 10.
11 12 13 14 and 15 were all trash

>>717423984
>12
>trash

>>717423984
It's almost as if the original company was gone and the introduced a committee for FF which had big retards calling shots.
12 was corrupted by SE suits

>>717423348
ff13, ff15, ff16, and all the things related to these games are just one big shard reflection in other words they're not real.

>>717424137
12 is trash.

>>717424254
retardo

>>717423348
https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/The_Reflections
some FF games take place in these reflections

>>717424223
>>717424326
14 is not a real FF to begin with

>>717413720 (OP)
I think Luna is one of the prettiest Final Fantasy girls ever created. Lazyprocrastinator makes some amazing animations with her.

>>717417723
Because FF14 flopped hard and was about to kill SquareEnix. They NEEDED to shit out something immediately so announced FF7 Remake and let Nomura finally make KH3. While that was going down, SE execs got someone else to make FFVersus and renamed it FFXV to garner hype and investor money. Money that was immediately getting funneled into FF14 and KH3 which also explains why FF7 Remake was so shitty and a quarter of the game.

>>717418410
What the guy below you said about staff leaving is part of it, another part is that they were building a game too ambitious for what the company ultimatelty knew how to make with the time and costs involved with modern gaming and using their own engine to boot. Nomura came up in the era where he would purposefully make shit to push the limits of the staff and they would step up to the challenge. He seemed to set out to make Versus the biggest and craziest Final Fantasy ever and they didn't know wtf to do. He had a huge world with tons of completely different areas, full towns like old Finql Fantasy games, vehicles, a huge combat system, tons of mini-games, level design to incorporate not just being on the ground but going up buildings and shit, a huge story and alp this shit planned but they ended up cutting what seems like half the content and story. KH3 was also cut short but it seems he realized what was feasible and much less was cut out of that game then they went to chapterized releases for FF7.We'll never know the kino that was cooking for Versus.

>>717413720 (OP)
what happened to versus was an absolute tragedy
i can deal with ff15 but what could have been and what was lost (just looking at all the trailers with 90% missing from the final game) will always be sad

>>717413720 (OP)
i have never played a final fantasy game ever and these threads always feel like gacha shit with just a handful of schizos talking about ultimately nothing

>>717424634
It is mainline Final Fantasy so its canon FF. Ivalice and FF11 also takes place in FFXIV.

>>717424720
Versus seemed like a classic Final Fantasy game/ambition made with modern tech. What we ended up getting in 15 was just a generic modern game with a FF skin.

>>717425089
>MMOslop
>mainline
lmaono

>>717418410
>and how square might never make a good ff game again.
Square died in 2003

>>717424716
To be fair at that point they were already dicking around for several years just getting VersusXIII going. Square Enix' management of development cycles has been a horror show ever since Sakaguchi left. Arguably they never got it back under control, hence this latest restructure is a pretty drastic attempt to get their shit in order.

>>717424716
Interesting analysis, I never thought of it that way, thanks for sharing.

>>717413720 (OP)
left: shit
right: shit

>>717425514
>the most obvious shit everyone already knows
>analysis
>never thought of it that way
the absolute state of /vee/

>>717424139
ALL their games after FFX was ruined by old fart suits that don't know shit. Hence why these damn games take so fucking long to make, because they gotta nitpick every single thing.

>>717413720 (OP)
left: kino
right: shit

Seriously though, why didn't they used the KH combat from the original Versus 13?

>>717425802
its fucking hard to make probably even more so in a large open or semi open world game
i tried to recreate kh2 combat for like half a year in unreal engine and got more or less nowhere... i tried to recreate dark souls combat in unreal engine and did it in one weekend... kh2 combat is hard to make...

>>717425802
What combat? Even after 7 years it was barely a functional game still in early stages and by then Nomura was literally requesting it be turned into a musical instead. There was barely anything to work with here.

>>717425502
Think of it this way:
They developed three major games around the same time.
FFXIII, Versus and XIV
They did this using mostly their own tools on new platforms.
These are three drastically different games where development doesn't lend much learning or experience to the other games as they are completely different.
They tried to hedge their bets by having FFXIII cater to what they mistakenly thought was the current Western demand, they had FFXIV for the MMORPG market, and Versus was passion project experImental title.
Ultimately priority was put on FFXIII which was a huge fucking waste of time then XIV was rushed out while they didn't focus on the game being made by the guy who draws the most money for the company and has constant hits and instead of a corridor fest with autobattle was already ahead of the curve with a huge open world, action-RPG style and a deep gameplay-oriented experience with the next Cloud and Aeris to make infinite merch money and all sorts of original ideas. They fucked up so hard.

Is 16 the last Final Fantasy? They're probably gonna milk all the demakes for the next few decades. Literally free money.

>>717425802
They scrapped half the environments that the combat was based around and made it almost all take place in an open desert environment.

>>717420327
Kingdom Hearts made back all the money that they lost from Spirits Within, and then some, and is still making money. They never even needed to merge if they just waited to see what happened with that game. Let that sink in.

17 is going to be online again, right?

>>717426895
no

>>717426895
yes

>>717417723
>Why couldn't they just find a way to make the game Nomura wanted.
Because he couldn't get it out the door? He worked on it for 8 years and it was nowhere close to completion.

>>717417723
>Why couldn't they just find a way to make the game Nomura wanted
Because there wasn't a game Namura wanted. He was just doing everything and whatever for a decade. This is why they needed Sakagooch to get shit done. Under him Square was churning masterpiece after masterpiece every single year. Without him these brainlets can't make a single game with all the money in the world.

>>717426895
It's gonna be a soulslike but SE is gonna go the retarded route and do a 50% cutscenes, 50% gameplay balance.

>>717427148
>>717427394
Go rewatch the 2011 trailer, the game was pretty clearly defined and all they needed to do was finish it. Instead they focused on other games then chopped up Versus to make XV

>>717428029
Go read the development diary. Nothing was defined and they weren't anywhere near finishing it.

>>717413720 (OP)
I hope that, one day, SquareEnix will release Versus - even in another form, like a book / novel for example. As a part of FNC, I believe that Versus - as the name implies - was about crossover between those 2 games where Noctis and his companions would fight against Lightning.

>>717428821
You're saying like Versus is some completely different game. Most of what was realized in Versus is in 15, just made much worse.