Thread 717422413

Why is it the only modern Fire Emblem respected by oldfags?

Because it's a remake of FE2?

>>717422413 (OP)
Is it good?
Im totally new to the series i played Awakening and the gba games and i really like them and want to get more into the series
Overall id say id enjoy Awakening more because of how much build variety there is with all the classes and pair up functions that make it really fun to replay and try out new stuff even if its a bit easy
The gba games where a lot more straightforward and i did like them but not as much as Awakening
Should i give it a try it costs 30 euros used

Great presentation, no waifu/eugenicshit.

No myunitslop

>>717423001
play Fates instead

>>717423037
>>717423101
These. Player insert unit is shit. Waifufaggotry is shit. Eugenics and kids are shit unless it makes sense in the story. The maps suck, but the rest of the game is great.

>>717423528
>Player insert unit is shit.
I don't like their impact on the story but I like being able to force the game to give me a good berserker or dark magic user.

Cutesythea!

>>717422413 (OP)
It's not.

>>717423001
It's not but you'll probably like it.

>>717423001
>Is it good?
no, it's extremely anti-fun. First time I played it I dropped it when you start playing as Celica (pretty early on), a few months later I picked it up again and then dropped it again at a battle against a castle in the desert after you can choose to fight a merc or a sorcerer.
I would rather play any FE game over Echoes, I would easily take FE1 on NES over this dogshit.

what's your favorite OST in this game?

>>717422413 (OP)
It has the best presentation of any FE game.
It also has some of the worst maps in the series and is just generally unfun.

>>717425789
https://youtu.be/osiA4tyLDOU?list=RDosiA4tyLDOU

Marriage with Marianne!

>>717422413 (OP)
Respected by oldfags who only value style over substance maybe. Us oldfags who like good maps and good gameplay regard it as shit.

>>717423001
It's a very pretty game but the core gameplay hasn't aged very well and you can feel it compared to other FE titles.
Fates is basically just better Awakening if you can tolerate a wishy washy MU and a plot riddled with contrivances that exists solely to keep the story on its rails.

>>717423528
>>717423667
Player insert is based, IS just needs to stop acting as if players NEED their MU to be the main character. Awakening is 80% Chrom's story and Robinfags didn't implode in sheer impotency playing it.
>MUH WAIFU FAGGOTRY
You're either playing the wrong series or are a serious hypocrite if you're complaining about this.

>>717424458
More FE with magical alibino girls when? Preferably as lords
Micaiah is not enough, and her eyes are yellow and not red which sucks

>>717422413 (OP)
it's shit just like the game it's a remake of

>>717427471
Why do Awakeningfags think Robin isn't just as bad as the rest of the MUs? He usurps Chrom as the MC after the Plegia Arc, he comes up with retarded strategies yet everyone still sucks him off like he's a genius because they work out out of sheer dumb luck, he ends up being Dark Dragon Satan and the most important person in the universe which is no different than Corrin, Blyat, or Alear just as Satan instead of God.

>>717427671
It's just a misunderstood hidden gem like every NES sequel.
Just like Final Fantasy 2 and Zelda 2 and Castlevania 2

>>717427789
>He usurps Chrom as the MC after the Plegia Arc
Yeah, I remember how there were several chapters dedicated to powering Robin up for the Grima fight oh wait
>he comes up with retarded strategies
Sounds more like an issue you have with the writing quality rather than Robin, and I have a sneaking suspicion that you're specifically honing in on the boat kamikaze.
>he ends up being Dark Dragon Satan
Specifically a vessel for Satan to possess but whatever.

>>717428204
>Yeah, I remember how there were several chapters dedicated to powering Robin up for the Grima fight
Powering up the Falchion ended up being entirely fucking pointless because the game heavily hints at killing Grima with Robin being the "correct answer".
>you're specifically honing in on the boat kamikaze
That and leading your army into an active fucking volcano.

Ivy

>>717428398
Yeah, but chrom doesn't want you to step in and kill yourself so you have to trick him into thinking he's going to use the falchion before you can catch them both off guard at the last moment with the self sacrifice play.

>>717423001
>it costs 30 euros used
It costs 0 euros with hshop.
>>717423196
>>717427296
Fates is actual garbage and is not worth playing even for free. By far the worst of nu Fire Emblem.

>>717422413 (OP)
slop. gimme engage instead

there are some great fire emblem games but the franchise peaked on the 3DS with everything else either being an inferior version of any of the 3DS games.

>reminder that the switch has more than double the number of units sold. the two modern FE games only sold 100k more copies than the 3ds games. This does include FE:SoV

Post FE yaoi please

>>717429178
YWNBAW

>>717428659
Hating Fates is admitting that you're only into FE for the aesthetic.

>>717423001
It's the only FE Game that put me to sleep

Engage sage outfit is PEAK

>>717428659
>it costs 30 euros used
but i like having a physical copy of a game and collecting stuff

>>717429178
kys instead

>>717429160
Numberniggers hate the logical install base chad.

>>717429160
>includes
I meant excludes

>>717432060
Finally. Thanks for helping me cum unlike the other rats

>>717423001
no 3ds fe game is good

>>717432365
>>717430295
>>717424581
samefag or is the FE player base the same group that takes a joke too far?

>>717423001
It's a shining example of how to polish up an old game that no one really likes into a modern game, but then you look at the completely unchanged maps and realize exactly what it is you're still playing. I stull enjoyed it, but it's really hard to overlook maps like these and how IS thought it was acceptable to just import them directly from FE2.

>>717427471
lmaowut? Awakening is 80% Robin's game.

I want Chrom and Dimi to make a mess with my insides

>>717432831
This is nothing compared to Celica's swamp, desert, and invoke fun times

>>717432831
>15 deployment slots to deal with 10 enemies
lmao Gaiden/Echoes is such a trip

>>717434436
It can work. There is that map where Berkut is introduced, and its him and like 4 other dudes but they're all elite

>>717425789
A Song For Bygone Days, One Star by the Next, Heritors of Arcadia, What Lies at the End...to name a few. The entire OST is top tier.

>>717434571
It's him, Fernand, and 1 other dude actually. And they're not even hard, it's only difficult because you spawn with your army split up.

>>717432921
>Act 1
Deals primarily with Ylisse and Plegia's feud and the Ylisse royal family. Almost nothing relevant to Robin's personal story.
>Act 2
Deals with Ylisse being invaded by Valm and Lucina's future. Some Robin stuff is set up but it's primarily about Chrom and Lucina.
>Act 3
Reveals Robin's backstory/connection to Grima and delves deeper into the relationship between the Exalt's bloodline and Naga, big plot moments for both.

Pretending it's Robin's story is essentially ignoring two thirds of the game. I think you might be mistaking perspective character with main character, which to be fair is a common low iq mistake. Robin spends most of the plot as a supporting character, not the primary character that pushes the plot forward.

>>717433425
Chrom and Dimitri can't S support men.

>>717422413 (OP)
EnGAYgies BTFO

>>717434780
Looks like Echoes was the one that BTFO to me senpai...

>>717425212
FE1 on the nes is awesome.

>>717432831
It's amazing they made nearly 0 changes to the map design but removed all of the fun tools to deal with them like infinite Warp range, that ring that gives like +10 movement, and the ability to revive dead characters onto the other route.
>>717434436
FE1 and its remakes were the same way. I think by Chapter 3 you have more units than there are enemies on the map.

>>717434848
>Thracia 776
Am I a joke to you?

FE becoming an eugenics simulator with every possible generic anime tropes makes me sick to my core.

>>717435091
>Becoming
Too bad FE4 exists to invalidate your wannabe hipster ragebait

>>717435091
They haven't been eugenics simulators in a decade buddy, you're behind the times.

>>717435091
Imagine getting pissy that the anime military sim is anime.

>>717422413 (OP)
It's respectable in a foolish sort of way, like an honorable person going to what they're certain is their death because otherwise their code would be broken.

Corrin is the best self insert because I want to insert myself in her.

>>717434769
Unfortunate but that's what my holes are for

>>717435156
I'll admit I skipped 3 and 4.
>>717435163
Of course I'm behind times, why would I give a shit about this series after hwo horrendous Fates was? Awakening gave the series a second wind, but I wish it didn't.
>>717435209
T'was better when the military sim was the main focus, and not petting your fucking anime units or having tea with em.

>>717434780
Man the story for engage was shit but I liked its gameplay mechanics more than 3 houses.

>>717425789
Lord of a Dead Empire is underrated.
https://youtu.be/MyFHihJrw4g?si=NUCY1fVlRFyZe2Nc

>>717436378
>T'was
Alright fedora, back to *eddit.

>>717422413 (OP)
Piece of shit game. It's staggering how stusio that made Fates sharted out this shit.

>>717436752
Different director. And the director played Gaiden with his dad as a kid so he was super autistic about not changing anything that actually needed to be changed.

>>717436874
Autists should be forbidden from doing anything but solo projects.

>>717436696
Imagine the repetitiveness of 3 houses with the story and dialogue of engage. It be the ultimate toddlers game.

>>717436745
Yeah yeah, attack the character. How dare I attack your chinese cartoon series well past its prime.

>>717437131
That's exactly what the next game will be if IS takes the wrong lessons from the sales difference between 3H and Engage and also puts Komuro in charge of writing again.

>>717437287
When the character is faggy and crying about matters of personal taste, yeah I'm fine with attacking.

>>717437352
True Detective season 4 won all those awards and killed it with the critics despite everyone panning it and viewership falling off a cliff. HBO immediately signed this new producer up for season 5. P
I just think this is our future now.

>>717422413 (OP)
Because it sold like shit so it's the only one they can't be contrarian about

>>717437759
LOL. Setiosly, when was the last time you read a book. Best part is your the kind of contrarian retard who cant grasp the meaning of sales numbers.

>>717432831
I dunno man, Gaiden/Echoes being so different from the rest of the series is probably why I like it so much, dogass design choices and all.

>>717422413 (OP)
It's style over substance: the game. "Oldfags" (pseuds) pretend to like it because it's one of the most r*ddit approved FE games.
>Safe and boring art that looks prettya t a glance but that is utterly unmemorable
>Localizer galore, every character speaks like a soilennial
>The story was modernized, with dumb shit being added constantly such as Berkut
>The gameplay is shit, with it arguably being worse than the original
>Absolute cancer like the troonwheel was introduced here

>>717438014
Cool, now post Mario and Pokémon numbers.

>>717422413 (OP)
Because it isn't a romance VN unlike fateslop, awakeningslop and 3hores

>>717438098
>virgin zoomer malding at superior millenials
kek

>>717436874
there are 2 directors for echoes.
kusakihara who directed 3h
nakanishi who directed engage
the latter is the one with the story about how he played it with his dad.

>>717437759
It only has bad writing when you look deeper into it. Fates and Engage have bad writing right on the surface. That's the key difference between a story being accepted or not with broad audiences.

>>717438098
Berkut and Rinea were the best characters in the game.

>>717429160
was engage good?m I skipped it because three houses was fucking dogshit

>>717438014
Don't make me tap the post... >>717429160

>>717438098
Ironically, your entire post is style over substance

>>717438384
>It only has bad writing when you look deeper into it
If you're brain damaged, maybe. The timeskip alone requires you to turn off your brain and accept that Byleth has fallen down a cliff for 5 years, almost exactly for the student reunion. That alone is dumber than anything in Fates and Engage

>>717438549
ftfy

>>717438761
>paying for Nintendo games

>>717438659
Having replayed 3H recently there's that, but I also hate all of the teleporting going on. It's like an entire faction of Nergals and I just don't understand how they can possibly lose.

>>717438761
In Fates defense, BR and CQ are entirely unique and Rev only reuses a few maps while all TH routes share like 95% of maps between eachother.
The only completly route unique maps are the final map in VW and the second to last map in CF.

>>717422413 (OP)
>respected by oldfags
A lot of oldfags hate it too.
It's just a case by case thing.

>>717438761
>Free demo
>40$ for one route
>Other routes discounted to 20$
>Completely different designs for the routes
What a bargain. You pay 40$ for the game you actually want which is 20$ less than the average game, then you can decide whether you want to spend 20$ more on the other routes for either the average game price with or without DLC.

>>717439042
BR and CQ do share some maps, it's just that BR usually turns them into boring routfests and saps all the strategic challenge out of them.

>>717438761
>pricing
Literally everyone in the world agreed the pricing is bad but even for a 10+ year old game and costing $20 more, Fates is still better in both story and structure

>>717423037
>>717423528
fire emblem 4 already had eugenics and minor waifufaggotry, what is this retarded revisionism

>>717439000
There's also every story mission happening at convenient monthly intervals. You have entire armies on both sides twisting their thumbs waiting for muh professor to go off to war.

Why does everyone say the maps in Echoes are bad? I really liked most of them aside from the earliest ones.

>>717439409
You look at this >>717432831 and don't see any problems with it?

>>717439409
>I really liked most of them aside from the earliest ones.
you answered the question. most people to "hate" Echoes: SoV only played an hour or two into the game and used that as the criticism for the whole game

>>717439625
There's only two types of enemies but that's basically it. Maps like that are fine as a breather between more mentally taxing ones.

>>717439775
>it's only the earlygame
I hope to god you're just baiting or pretending to be retarded.

>>717438169
>3hores
Dorothea, Hilda. Who is the 3rd one?

extreme newfag here, i got into FE a couple weeks ago and have played all of the 3DS games, ~10 hours of 3H, and am a couple chapters away from finishing Engage
i loved the first half of Echoes, but eventually it became the biggest test of my patience ever. it has the most egregiously dogshit hit/miss percentages i've ever seen in a game, and the map design made me want to blow my brains out at times
overall it's a decent game but it is very flawed

>>717440092
Marianne

>>717440092
Manuela

>>717440092
Byleth (Male)

>>717440220
Everyone's favorite dildo

>>717440178
Delete this.

Reminder 40$ for Rev is a great price for what you get when you consider the 3H and Engage DLCs cost 30$.

>>717423001
It's the best fire emblem on the 3ds

>newfags in a post engayge FE
You don't even believe the crap you wrote faggot

>>717440402
SD & New Mystery duology are better IMO

>>717440354
>when you consider the 3H and Engage DLCs cost 30$.
imagine paying real life currency for an inferior version of a video game

>>717439949
100% fine because the gimmick is watching the two enemy armies kill each other.

>>717440641
>The gimmick is not playing the game
>It's somehow an improvement over >>717440546
(lol

>>717438098
fucking based

>>717440149
Congrats newbro - that means you've already played more games than 70% of gamewar/salesfags.
Echoes is based on Gaiden, which for some reason has 20-40 avoid tiles everywhere, and very little means to improve hit chance, being an early game. Echoes itself introduced a few methods for improving hit including support bonuses but, overall, it isn't enough and you will whiff constantly. That's why it also introduced turnwheel retardation which we're still dealing with today.

>>717440716
I don't see anything wrong with considering it another breather map.

>>717423001
No. Both its gameplay and story is shit.

HOLY KINO MAP DESIGN SOV BEST FE GAME EVER

>>717440546
>the start of every turn takes like 30 seconds, because everyone that's not a flier takes damage, but also your healers heal the adjacent units

Daily reminder that Heroes and Engage confirm that our Empress did nothing wrong. Dragons and their magic is a scourge upon the land and if you do their bidding your soul will forever be their slave.

>The gimmick is not playing the game
it's ok when kaga does it

>post a bad map
>"it's just a breather map"
>post another bad map
>"it's just a breather map"

>>717441102
Where's that image of Edelgard being happy to work for Alear?

>>717422413 (OP)
it's the only one that doesn't make me cringe and it actually has a good artstyle. it's also better than the original game which is rare for a remake.

>>717440354
Engage DLC is actually fun and rewarding, though. Revelation is fucking trash.
I seriously hate that they made this game to this day, it wasn't even originally planned and it's obvious they bit off more than they could chew. If Fates had just been 2 games as initially conceived - Conquest and Birtright - with tighter writing as a result and more EFFORT put in BR maps, Fates would have been an overall stronger value with fewer weak points. Could have been a legendary duology, now it's a 9/10, a 5/10, and a 1/10 that several retards have stockholmed themselves into believing wasn't a scam because >muh content >muh mechanics.

>>717441112
>Dragons once again fucking it all up
Manaketes should've been eradicated and that fucking traitor Eliwood deserves what happened to him for fucking the dragon and making hybrids.

$20

>>717441335
Rev is good, you just suck at it

>>717437131
This >>717437352
I'm fully expecting "Nami's harry potter adventure, starring a mary sue who is a dragon whose mom dies and her dad is a cultist, with her army of one-note quirky students."

I love my wife, Annette.

>>717441428
>just le grind to fix the atrocious balance, that was obviously the intention
No thanks nigger. I think I more than proved my ability in the relays. Revelation just sucks cock, and is for bottom-feeding subhumans who think good mechanics and grinding can salvage a bad game.

>>717441170
But Kaga made both Gaiden and Genealogy.

>>717441112
I like how this post proves that Fates' story is good. Garon and his loyalists were completely right to treat Kamui as a traitor, and Kamui needed a really good reason to get the royal children to go along with his plan. If Garon was actually Garon when Kamui entered the throne room with the royal children, then Kamui would've been the one getting executed.

>>717441189
Yeah? The idea is to space them out.

>>717441618
he did, that's why you will find mouthbreathers bending over backwards to defend >>717441170
so they can maintain their narrative that kaga is some god of game design who can do no wrong

>>717441603
>Needing to grind in Fates
Skill issue

>>717441787
In Revelation, yes. Or do explain to me how you're getting Nyx and Effie up to speed without some form of grind.

>>717441475
Her pussy is very puffy fyi

>>717441762
If Kaga were a good dev his shitty off brand fire emblem would be more popular lmao. Nobody but Kaga loyalists givs a shit about tear ring saga.

>>717441735
>space them out
>have to do like four of them in a row against generic General units until the plot starts up again
Bro, they're the main game. The unique maps are rare.

>>717441335
Rec is beautiful for someone who likes huge ass cast and reclassing units in classes only available to a marriage with Corrin with the right selected secondary class.
I liked to experiment with say Peg Knight Camilla, Wyvern Oboro, Diviner Ophelia or other assorted stuff.
Besides I'm pretty sure Fell Xenologue seems to be really hated and almost everyone skips it.
That doesn't happen with Rev.

Why the fuck can't they get obtaining skills right in this series?
>In Awakening and Fates have to level in certain classes to get the skills and the level gap for the level 5 and level 15 promoted skills can be pretty big to get them, especially with Awakening
>In 3Hs its tied to class mastery and discplines but you have to use the monastery to level up discplines and unlock classes
>In Engage you get SP pretty slowly necessitating for you to gamble at the well.

>breather map means it has to be the most boring mind numbing shit ever
come on, even kaga learned his lesson in later games

There will never be another FE game

>>717442001
Revelation is easily the least popular route, so yeah it gets skipped a lot. The issue with the game is that half the cast is unusable without grinding or basically cheating in some form. So it's not actually "huge" in practice at all.

>>717441878
You use the game mechanics to boost their stats, optimize their class and have them grant out bonuses, while using the usual strat of having them pick off weakened enemies.
>B-but they're underleveled
Underleveled units joining late are so common in FE that an entire archetype has been formed around them with Ests. I do wonder why Rev gets singled out for it when it's one of the few games where you can use them without obnoxious grinding.

>>717442030
gambling is fun when I win

>>717422413 (OP)
I couldn't get into this. Just felt too boring. (Also first Fire Emblem I played)

More like gambling is fun when you save scum.

>>717442354
how do you savescum the well (serious question)

>>717442105
I mean the grinding seems to be the point of the game.
You have such a huge cast that it would be a shame if the game ended up like Conquest where the dlc maps are the only way to keep building your units.
Comparatively the other games DLCs are just there as a way to add only a few new characters and classes.
Game is like a huge sandbox where your imagination can run free.

>>717442184
>I do wonder why Rev gets singled out for it when it's one of the few games where you can use them without obnoxious grinding.
You've got to be kidding me, anon. Very few games have balance as bad as Revelation. If we can't agree on this much, we likely can't agree on anything. So many units were clearly left at their native game's bases, despite joining *later* in a route with almost Awakening tier stat inflation.

You can do stupid retardo dumb-dumb shit like bending over backwards to collect early rallies to boost them, always pin them to Camilla/Elise for their aura, etc., but units like RV Nyx, Effie, Arthur are bad bad bad. They're genuinely some of the worst units in series history, like Fiona level bad. No one wants to go through the effort of scrimbloing a shitter that starts bad and doesn't even turn out notably good for the effort.

Ests are also the worst meme "archetype" in the series, so this isn't exactly a favorable comparison in the first place.

>>717442354
>gambling is fun

>>717422413 (OP)
Engagetroons hate it

The holy trinity of Fire Emblem

>>717441685
Fates has a strong core, the issue is that it's very obviously a massive script that had to be chopped into a fine paste and as such relies on very obvious contrivances to keep the ball rolling.

>>717442595
>They're genuinely some of the worst units in series history
Do you play the series? A good quarter to half the cast in most games is completely worthless even for chipping. Even easy ass SS has units like Amelia who need to abuse priests just to be able to do 1 damage to the average enemy sometimes. Meanwhile, Rev units can reclass, take advantage of pairup/attack stance, have tonics, can be buffed while enemies get debuffed, etc. Also, if you really don't want to put the slightest effort into them, they can be backpacks and be more beneficial than every single "replacement" unit in FE, nevermind the bad units.

>>717443269
I think the bigger problem is that it's very elaborate as a story and requires attentive knowledge of all three parts of Fates to truly understand why characters act the way they do. If it was in, say, a manga format, the information would be much easier to convey and there would be far less complaints imo.

>>717443298
You're cherrypicking the absolute worst meme units to make your argument, and it's still not even convincing on that level. I think I'd rather use Amelia than RV Odin, honestly. And CQ Odin is one of my favorite units.
The issue with Revelation isn't just that some units are inferior. That's normal in FE. It's that half, more than half of the cast are sub-functional. They're quite literally not prepared to offer basic utility and performance expected of an FE unit, beyond being stat-sticks. No, being a pairup slut isn't viability.

So unless you're a grindfag, the game has nothing for you. I'm not going to actually set up tens of last hits for Nyx so she can be slightly less useless. She functionally doesn't even exist. At least Neimi and Becca can do some chip when it counts, and if I decide to scrimblo them, it isn't such a constant pain in the ass to get a basic performance out of them. Like, they won't explode from the average enemy hitting them once.
That is the difference. Volume and depth of incompetence.

>>717443298
>Royal Emblem isn't poorly balanced, because SS has Amelia
lol

Silque

dogshit thread as usual

>>717443636
>Neimi shooting a single arrow in her joining chapter is totally more useful than a unit who, at bare minimum, can grant extra stats to other units and who can be buffed to real usefulness by simply using the game mechanics
Your skill issue is showing

>>717422413 (OP)
>modern
>3ds

>>717443845
Then why are you here?

fatesbabs would cry if they saw what FE12 unit balance looked like

>>717443937
how is it NOT modern?

>>717443937
Nigger, the 3DS is where modern FE comes from.

>>717443892
Again, pair up slutting is not viability. I don't play these games to stick one unit up another unit's ass for extra stats. RV Odin is burning dogshit.

>>717443672
Yes. If a unit who literally can't be used without grinding is acceptable by FE standards, then Rev units are fine since they can do much more than thaf by default.

>>717444383
>this thing unit can do to help me win does not count for their viability because I say so
lol

>>717443845
At least we're actually talking about the games

>>717444512
There is zero utility in Odin's pair-up bonuses. They aren't uniquely useful, a generic capture is about as good. I know you're in full shitpost damage control mode at this point, just wanted to let you know anyway.

>>717444079
Dude is angry there isn't another Xenoblade thread to ruin so he came here

>>717444458
>a game with one unit that is bad is a bad game, but a game where all but ten units are bad is a great game
Actual retard.

>>717444596
Apparently chipping with Neimi is viable, so every Rev unit passes with flying colours since they can do that and more.

>>717444458
Amelia isn't acceptable by FE standards.

Big fan of my favorite genre of dishonestposting
>my game sucks [for reason], but FE always sucked [for reason]
real big fan

>>717444769
Is she not? All those years of people acting like she's good or training her for fun must be all part of the largest false narrative in history, then

>>717444769
>>717445026
Amelia offers a very specific and unique experience and is technically one of a kind in what she can do.
Odin is just a bad Leo, especially in Rev.

>>717445026
Amelia is very much a meme.
But fucking nobody is training Revelation Nyx.

>>717445026
You'd have better luck arguing Ross but even he's not considered very good either, just barely usable.

Just grind in the games that allow it if you must.
People should accept that chapter by chapter with no grinding is dead in FE moving forward.

>>717445131
>especially in
Odin is actually fine in Conquest, good. He does some cool unique things and is worth investing in. That's the problem. Revelation screwed the pooch so hard that one of the most unique units is no longer worth bothering with at any conceptual level, beyond specifically grinding for him. At which point nothing you do matters anyway, might as well slap Aggressor on everyone.

>>717445131
>>717445182
Scrimbloing in FE game, not Rev
>:)
Scrimbloing in FE game, Rev
>:(
Glad that we got it cleared up

>>717445219
Ross wants 9 levels to basically be worse or on par with base Garcia in everything except for Str and Luck. His one niche is the very situational ability to waterwalk in like three maps.

Should I play FE3 Book 2 or New Mystery?

I will train amelia and support her with franz and you can't stop me

>>717445232
It's not dead though. They made grinding in Engage Maddening nearly unfeasible because they know it detracts from the challenge people want on that difficulty.

>>717445393
Both

>>717445318
>game with a 25 unit roster, and one is bad
>game with a 60+ unit roster, and most are bad
Retards think these are the same thing.

>>717445376
berserker though

>>717445376
but i like da big number and awesome crit animation

>>717445376
given the Trainee XP bonus it's closer to 4.5 levels
>>717445026
The problem is she arrives relatively late in FE8, so you have to actually *dedicate* grind time to get her up to speed instead of just passively using her like Ross/Ewan.
She's closer to a Nino than anything really.

fag offers a specific and unique niche for your cast and is good actually

>>717445513
Its still 9 levels, Ross just has an easier time getting there thanks to trainees requiring less effort through chip.

>>717422413 (OP)
>played as long as I could stand it on new 3ds xl pissflaps
>1.5 hours
>it was shit
Literally why does anyone play this shit

>>717444114
New Mystery and Revalation are very similar in that they both throw a shit ton of units at you and most of them are absolute dogshit past a certain point.

>>717445462
>one is bad
You wish, I just single out Amelia because she's a clear example of a 100% useless unit who necessitates grinding. If you want bad units, SS has a surprisingly large amount of them despite being so piss easy.

I like fire emblem

>>717422413 (OP)
Soon...

>>717445697
KYS

>>717445513
Amelia has better availability than Ewan since he functionally doesnt join until Ch13 on either route due to how late you get access to him in 12.
The est archetype is a dumb psyop because most of them dont even have that significant of a growth advantage over the other units in their game. People just convinced themselves that late joiner that requires a ton of effort must be good.

>>717445274
Odin is solidly "ok" in CQ, in that you don't really get a unit that does what he does until Leo. Odin suffers hard from trying to be a jack of all trades though and tends to struggle as both a player and enemy phase unit (even with his really solid passive), but he's also your best native Dark Mage so you either swap Corrin over to replace him in the role or deal with it.

>>717445657
There are more bad units in Revelation than there are UNITS TOTAL in Sacred Stones.
You literally cannot win this argument.

Realistically training Ewan is one of the worst things you can invest into.
If you invest on a Rev unit you can get a decent unit, get good pair up bonuses and even transfer that investment on an offspring unit.

>>717442089
IS won’t release another FE until they figure out how to make multiplayer work

>>717443021
>trinity
>4
anon?

>>717441460
Also Severa, Inigo and Owain are here for some reason

>>717445657
>a surprisingly large amount of them
The clear shitters in 8 are Amelia, Ewan and Marisa. Lady Lel could have been relevant if she joined with C Staves instead of D with all else held the same thanks to Barrier/Restore blasting but since those don't exist, she gets memed on. Neimi is a gba archer, we dont need to say anything more about her.

Old fag larpers doesn't know how to count
ignore that retarded cunt

>>717422413 (OP)
>Why is it the only modern Fire Emblem respected by oldfags?
Since when?

>>717446003
>Severa, Inigo, and Owain are there
>they're not allowed to acknowledge how they've grown as a person
>Heroes has a harmonic Severa/Cordelia where Severa again pretends she's not Cordelia's daughter
I see it.

>>717445893
There are more unusable units in SS than there are in Rev. You have yet to adress the fact that every unit in Rev has some use and can even be made good with little to no grinding, while you literally can't do shit about the shitters that most the games give you besides grinding in degenerate manners.

>>717434780
Wow 3 houses was so bad it retained less than half the people for the v-tuber vomit.

>>717445840
Odin's problem is that his bases are iffy. If you want to serioisly use him that its just a matter of timing when you want to seal over for Vantage and maybe Life and Death later on.

>>717445840
He's not even that similar to Leo. There have been arguments in recent years that he's overall the better or more valuable unit.
He gets you Ophelia's paralogue and Ophelia herself, for one thing. He also has the meta-defining Samurai line, which he can pass to other mages including Leo for one of the most broken builds in the game.
He also has and is the best early Nos user.
You could only conclude that he's flatly worse if you don't look beyond surface level stats. There's a significant nuance to it that RV destroys in favor of its royal stomp.

>>717446087
>there are more unusable units in SS
Lol lmao even.

>nosferatu in fates
okay you are very stupid

How do I get the adept scroll in PoR? tibarn always bombrushes the halbedier/boss for me

>>717446006
>5 clear shitters just on top of the mind
>In a game with a small ass cast
>The standard bad units are not included either
Yup, that's a whole lot of shitters.

>>717422413 (OP)
I feel like the probabilities were too unreliable in this game for me to enjoy it. The accuracy and crit chances felt lower than normal, as did the amount of stats you could get on Level Up.
I also didn't enjoy the setting as much. While I did criticize Fates' plot a lot, the contrast from Hoshido to Nohr was great specially when you are exposed to their inhabitants. Meanwhile for a game that emphasizes the differences between War and Peace, both of them did most of the same methods and shared beliefs in Echoes.

>>717439949
it's a smiley face.

>>717446082
Also also the cast is broken up into squads of a lord and their two retainers.

>>717422413 (OP)
>has actual characters with a story
>no self insert mute asshole protagonist they them body type bullshit
>no stupid ass dating sim shit
>actual gameplay

>>717446087
>There are more unusable units in SS than there are in Rev.
You're objectively wrong.

>>717446338
Why argue about shit you know nothing about? I'm seriously asking, like I genuinely don't get when people do this. You clearly don't know the game's meta that has been decided upon over a decade of experimentation, so why?

>>717446459
Specifically, there are
>ten lords
>an even gender split between them
>each lord has two retainers
>twenty retainers total
>also an even gender split
>this makes up most of the playable cast

>>717446338
you have no clue what you're talking about then.

>gayden
>actual gameplay
your failed DQ ripoff is garbage

>>717446675
I have yet to see a real counterargument to rev units all being useable through game mechanics without grinding while SS has several units who require the grind to function. All I see is whining about having to use the game mechanics in Rev while excusing grinding in other FE games.

>"I'm an assassin"
>look inside
>wyvern rider
I still think she's neat. I've got a weakness for kuuderes

>>717446776
>Yes, we're going to hire a trendy artist to draw our characters
>No, we're not going to give them any context about the setting and where the characters lie in it

>>717446889
>play Rev
>get new units
>if they're not a lord, you either backpack them to a lord or immediately dump them next chapter
Literally not even worth grinding them. It's why people always made jokes about it just being royals-only, because it's not really a joke.

>>717446889
The counterargument is that NO ONE WANTS TO *USE* THEM, niggerbrain. If your whole argument is "this sucks, but you suck as bad as this garbage", maybe your garbage ISN'T good. Nobody thinks 3/4 of the Thracia 776 cast is dogshit.

>>717446995
>tfw honestly feel bad for Mika
She even asked them to help her, and they refused.

>>717422413 (OP)
What's an old fag at this point? Because I sure dont respect this game

>>717446895
The thief+assassin classline wasn't present in Fates despite being a great excuse to give a Nohrian class besides maids daggers, for some reason.

>>717446776
Engage went way overboard with that.

>>717446995
That alone made me think ISIS is just incompetent

>>717446338
Nah it's legit. I was a Nos hater too but for early-mid game it's strong.

>game has 70 units
>only 10 are worth using
In any other game, this would be considered horrible.
But if it's Revelations, it's apparently ok.

>>717447269
>Engage went way overboard with that.
Huh? It's literally the same as Fates.
Nami did this two games in a row.

>>717447185
>NO ONE WANTS TO *USE* THEM
Ah, just like most of the cast in the average FE game. However, you clearly have a bias against rev, so you'll pretend that people are super excited about using units like Radd

>>717447435
Radd is literally fine in the original games. What will it take to get through your thick skull? A unit being mediocre is fine, desirable even. Not every unit should start out as a godstomper.
But I think you know what the problem is, that's why you're not defending it, only pointing the finger to what you believe will exonerate your shit taste.

>>717447196
Yeah the blame is entirely with IS, they're the ones that gave her nothing to work with and told her to just draw her normal style when she can do more grounded designs just fine. Her Marth looks great.

>>717439241
>fates is better
>story
You shitposters aren't even trying anymore.

>>717447521
Just as predicted, it's fine when any game but Rev does it. You just prove my point with every post you make.

>>717447602
She's drawn several FE characters from other games, and they usually look good.
But the models in Engage are awful, and many of the armor and hair designs she did suck, too.

>>717439241
>Fates is still better in story

>>717447312
Everyone hates rev though

>>717447730
She even drew Marth here with a more pronounced nose similar to Kozaki's style yet IS scrubbed off most of those details on the models to make them look more moe.

>>717446749
kay want me to tell you why nosferatu sucks in fates at least in conquest?
First you have ninjas and those hidden weapons
Second you have to deal with high resistance units like those foxes and fliers
Third your mages are legit fucking garbage one who sucks at magic and the other one who is fragile as fuck
and that's even forgetting that nosferatu got hit hard with nerfs but apparently I don't know anything.

>>717447832
Nah, we found the one retard that likes Rev in this thread.

>>717447241
Ninja+Assassin is pretty obviously meant to be your Thief substitute, makes sense that they wouldn't want Thief overlap.

>>717445318
Shut up Speedwing, go get molested by Mangs.

>>717445318
oh no no no noooo FE troons you got called out

>>717448019
I hope they never let Kusakihara near a drawing tool ever again.

>>717447129
>Play SS
>Get new units
>If they're not Seth, you bench them for the rest of the game
I can be reductionist too

>>717447930
Just reclass your Corrin to Dark Mage bro.

>can marry adopted sister in awakening
>can marry cousin in fates
>can marry whatever abomination of incest that Sothis and Rhea are in 3H
>can marry your sister in Engage
What is next?

>>717448143
>only have one Seth
>can and will fill out an entire team with royals
Here's the issue with your analogy: Revelation gives you TEN Seths.

>>717447930
no you are very clearly out of your depth on this topic. please stop posting.

>>717447832
>>717447312
Rev is cool though.
Though I'm a casual who grinds and plays normal/hard.

>>717448218
Next step is marrying your mom.

>>717447930
Again, you don't know what you're talking about. It's fine not to know the particulars of a game - I'm ignorant of the 3H and FE12 meta, for instance - just don't enter into a debate on the subject (in bad faith, at that).

>>717448232
and you stop breathing Rev tranny

>>717448218
There was a moment of fear where the player married their daughter in Heroes and had a kid together.
It turned out to just be a normal woman, but the panic and lust was real.

gullshitters never post anything good

>>717448227
>Get Seth at the very beginning of the game
>Get the strong royals way later in Rev
Unironically Seth is a bigger problem.

>>717448218
Marrying your female MU counterpart.

Any good FE romhacks to fill the void while waiting for next FE game? Already played most of the hacks in the chart that gets posted

>>717448438
>the "way later" requires counting the mandatory all-routes tutorial as six chapters
You start getting royals poured on you QUICK. It'd be like if chapters 3-11 each gave you a new Seth.

Your franchise is full of stinkers, the fast you accept it the fast you can move on cheater.

>>717448539
Iron Emblem Gaiden

>>717447930
Why would you be using mages against the enemies that are designed to have decent resistance against? Also you're exaggerating how much of those enemies appear. Ninjas only appear in 10, 11 (though only in one room), 12, 17 and 25. You're not using anyone for enemy phase, besides wyvern lords with beastkillers for the kitsune in 19 anyways.

>>717448575
>Fuga's wild ride is a tutorial
(lol

>>717447129
ENTER
>worse strength and skill than her base stats in birthright
>due to her lower stats she is unable to deal damage to a majority of units on her join map without investing resources to get at most chip damage
>too frail on her own, not enough speed to avoid attacks
>the following chapter has a higher average defense stat for enemies in addition to a lot more units she has wtd against
>gives speed on pair up when you already have several other speed pair ups at this point

>>717448783
Setsuna exists

while on the subject of Seth, he feels like a mistake, like he wasn't meant to have growths that high but he got mistaken for like Franz or something in the coding.
Even Titania falls off in FE9 due to how that game is designed.

>>717448539
cerulean crescent

>>717442412
NSO version, rewind if you get a bad level and wait a turn to level, rinse and repeat.

>>717448394
They unironically think she is more popular than Tharja was at any point.
They really think CYL has any impact outside the gacha game.

>>717448936
Too gay.

>>717442412
>>717448968
I'm sorry I'm retarded and didn't see the well, my bad.

>>717449049
perfect for you then

>>717445450
That's too much FE in one sitting.
Guess I'll do Book 2 first since I did Book 1 a few years ago then play Shadow Dragon+New Mystery down the line.

>>717448838
Eh, Tits is pretty retardedly strong too, at least in the English version. For that matter FE7 Marcus is almost as dumb as Seth. Starting with the FE7 and up to FE9, IS just lost their minds for a moment and forgot how to design Jagens and mounts. They've always been strong units, but you really see the mouthbreather-tier design in these games specifically, with their low quality enemies, strong prepromotes, strong throwables, and stingy exp curves that force growers to muck around in the dirt too long.

>>717448783
Hana having lower bases in Rev even tho she joins later feels like a massive coding error, there's no way that could've been intentional.
>>717448836
Setsuna joining later than Takumi in Rev by a noticeable degree feels more in line with old FE of "oh you lost the good archer? here's the shitty one as a replacement"
>>717449198
Titania's main issue is that her affinity/supports aren't great and that she can't solo her game like Seth can, FE7 Marcus I'd argue is better than Titania honestly and I don't see how she's better.

>>717448838
seth does fall off a little bit lategame, it's just that FE8 enemies aren't strong enough for the difference to be very significant
boss EXP being busted is honestly what really breaks seth in terms of letting him keep up with the rest for the whole game

Forget the bad base stats for units in Rev. Can we talk about how for the first two chapters, it's pretty likely the only decent combat unit you'll have is Corrin? Your only other units are going to be Gunter, Azura and your servant, and if you get Felicia, she'll likely only be able to do chip damage.

>>717449516
The game sucks. End of.

>>717449516
Rev in general has a very slow paced, boring start that doesn't really pick up as maps get bigger and filled with time wasting gimmicks that aren't challenging, just slow the game's pacing to a crawl.
sure other entries can be pretty long drawn out slogs but Rev is one from start to finish, something that I think I could only give to FE2 or FE4.

>>717449516
Rev is just shittily balanced. It's designed for you to use the Royals, and nobody else.

>>717449346
Titania is considered better because Maniac Mode being played is only a recent development. Titania doesn't fall off on any other difficulty.

>>717449516
Gunther is pretty okay early on, especially if you have Felicia as your meido. Also, Azura is a dancer who also has unga bunga str growths, how can you be mad about getting her so early?

>>717449891
That's fair, but like she still can't Solo her game so I can't put her above Seth and FE7 Marcus.
She is top/high tier tho no doubt.

>>717422413 (OP)
Because it was made by someone who actually had a love for the originals and poured their soul into recreating them.

>>717450014
When I played on Lunatic, Gunter wasn't able to do shit besides be a pair up bot for Corrin. That's also only assuming you grind out Azura before and aren't trying to low turn count. Also anything that Azura can do, Corrin can do better, so using her for combat instead of singing is an opportunity cost.

>>717450102
I think FE7 Marcus is actually weaker in raw power in relation to Titania, but he's still better in his own game because most units in FE7 are shitters and enemies don't scale enough to threathen him.

>>717449516
You can get Mozu quickly, no? You don't really have a better heart seal candidate and no real reason not to grind her up in her chapter.

Reginn was a Seth unit.

>>717450014
the complaint is more directed at how samey and limited the early game is than the units themselves.
>>717450258
Totally true, that's what I'm saying, Titania being better than Marcus doesn't change that Marcus is better in his own game than Titania is, If Titania was in FE7 she'd take his spot as best unit.

>heroes tranny
kill yourself

>>717446183
Fantastical cope.

Titania falls off hard on all difficulties. She can’t even damage the final boss lol

>>717450352
>no reason not to grind her up in her chapter
I mean, the main reason is that others would like the exp as well, as usual. But it's even worse now, as good training opportunities are scarcer. So even Mozu is made worse, because everything is worse. Of course no one really uses the early Hoshidan, but that's not because they inherently can't be fixed. They're some of the few "bad" units who CAN be fixed.

Would a revelation no royals run really be that hard? Might do it after conquest so these babies shut up

>>717450915
The issue has never been that it's hard. It's just not fun. Hayato isn't a royal and he's pretty good. You can grind up one of the other Hoshidans and they'll put in a bit of work. There are some other non-royals with strong bases, like Reina and Shura.
But why subject yourself to the cuck cage for a game like Pooplation?

>>717450750
>the main reason is that others would like the exp as well, as usual.
Who, exactly? You're starting with what is probably an overleveled Corrin, an overleveled Felicia/Jakob, a dancer and a bad Jagen. Nothing early enough to take advantage of the chapter needs the xp.

>>717423001
>Is it good?
No. It was the game that *most* needed a total gameplay overhaul from the original, yet they decided to be extremely faithful to the dogshit. It's good by SRPG standards as a whole because the rest of the genre is mostly varying degrees of sleep-inducing and/or terrible

>>717451114
The early joining Hoshidans. Kaze, Hana, Tsubaki, Rinkah, etc. They really struggle without Mozu paralogue and maybe an invasion.

>>717450915
You can infinitely grind so no, of course not. It's just fucking boring.

>>717451040
>He doesn't enjoy scrimbloing up shitters
I guess you just don't enjoy fire emblem. For me that's always a huge part and it's always a bit of fun.

>>717451306
Enjoy your shit game then. I'll scrimblo in the Fates routes with good balance.

I'm sure they enjoy scrimbloing shit in 3HRT with the monastery and their combat art slop

>>717451306
Earlier, I was told that FE8 was bad because of scrimblos like Amelia.
Sorry, but Fates isn't FE now, since it has like 40 scrimblos.

>Scrimblo
Wtf is this lingo and where did it come from?

>>717451523
FE8 is bad because most of the maps are boring and enemies just stand there waiting for you to roll over them with your many overpowered characters.

>>717451612
seriously answer? it came from smash brothers where people would character roster faggot between "Edgy JRPG guy" vs "Scrimblo Bimbo" or something.

>>717451203
Outside of Kaze none of those units are particularly great.

>>717451612
Scrimblo bimblo. Twitter meme making fun of Smash rosterfaggotry mascot characters, e.g. Banjo-Kazooie.
It was adopted during the FE relays earlier this year to describe off-meta shitters like Amelia and Nino (or whoever you desire as the target of your shitposting at the moment), and has spread in that newer context to other FE communities, strangely.

>>717444138
do you know how old that system is

>>717451612
In FE terms, it has become "character who is bad or mid but I'll devote all my resources to because they're my waifu or a meme character"

>>717451612
It's Smash lingo for retarded 90s platformer mascots that only like 10 people care about. /feg/ started using it as slang for "unit I don't like" because its average user was dropped on their head multiple times as a child I guess.
It's good short hand for "I am a retard and my opinion does not matter".

>>717451815
>and has spread in that newer context to other FE communities
Examples? I don't watch any FEtubers other than occasionally Excelblem

>>717451718
Kaze is arguably one of the worst of them, dude has no bulk and the stats are actually pretty big now. Regardless, we're talking about Mozu here, not some demigod. All are candidates if she is.

>>717451815
>relay fags are retarded
>relays were full of tourists
Honestly checks out.

>>717451914
what in the fuck is even the excelblem community anyways, the ironic enjoyers?

>>717423001
If you got the means to emulate it, it's far from the worst experience. Though I'd say play it after you get other FEs under your belt if you still want more FE after that. It's fun to experience a relatively faithful remake that gives you a look into a pretty experimental entry in the series.

>>717451914
I saw it in a Mangs comment under someone else's channel the other day. Both understood what they were talking about, so they probably browse here.

>>717451992
>tourist
As opposed to your endless gooner image dumps and game warring, wifeshitter?

>>717452140
Relay niggers are worse, yeah.

I wasn't expecting a camilla jumpscare in an internet historian video

>>717452221
>doesn't even deny it
Yeah, get the fuck out. Even the most toxic gameplay thread is worth its weight in gold next to your disgusting ERP sessions and sales charts.

Only the last chapter of Fire Emblem 4 left, what a ride it has been.

I've been told Julius is extremely hard.

>>717452358
>I've been told Julius is extremely hard
Julia shits on him for free

>>717446394
Lel isnt even "bad", she's just annoying to use because she's a level 3 troub with d staves that joins halfway through the game.

>>717452312
Relays aren't gameplay discussion, they're circlejerks where shitty players with massive egos stroke their egos.

>>717452424
getting Julia is harder than fighting Julius with her.
Somehow failing to do that then your in for a slobberknocker of a mess.

>>717445318
>ecelebs are stealing scrimblo now

>>717452509
you die mad about it

I'm just starting FE 12 (new mystery of the emblem?) with a translated patch. Should I use the group 7 recruits or the SD veterans? It's just that group 7 is filled with cavaliers. Should I reclass some of them? Also Kris is a cavalier as well so it's Kris, not-Abel and not-Cain and Cecil lmao

>>717452358
OR I COULD USE THE BERSERK STAFF

>>717452358
A hyper-autistic autist might notice I've let Finn die btw.

>>717452358
>all those empty spaces
Holy RIP.

>>717452621
Luke and Caeda (and obviously Kris) are the best of the prologue squad. barring them, Draug is good for a little while if you reclass him. Luke and Cecil are fine to reclass into mercenary/myrmidon for a while but Draug should actually reclass into cavalier or fighter. the rest range from meh to bad, thee archers are good next chapter at least

>>717452804
Finn is the only death I've had.

The rest I just failed to recruit ... by killing them, which boils down to the same, I guess ...

>>717452902
Bro? Your valkyrie staff?

>>717452890
Caeda is a SD veteran and since she's a flier I was already using her. Is it just me or is Draug fast as fuck and would make a good hero?

>>717452890
Also, do the initial questions affect Kris' stats? I said I was a farmboy assuming that would give me good strength growths lol

>>717452935
Didnt pass it on. Yes I'm a filthy casual who doesnt optimise runs

>>717451612
meme from Smash about Scrimblo being someone's favorite childhood video game character which got used in relay threads to designate units that some relayers would dump all chapter ressources to make them as good as possible
so now it means giving a unit the Est treatment

fire emblem

>>717452298
Yeah came off out or nowhere.

>>717441112
it took a decade for players to realize that garon is a giga chad and corrin was the soijack. im happy the community is finally reading fire emblem instead of mashing start

>>717441112
This would've been great if Garon wasn't a gooey monster all along.
Also fuck Revelations for never giving us proper dialogue with him.

My SD Minerva would've solod that dummy Hardin. Kinda wish these games had something similar to path of radiance=>radiant dawn to import units

people saying fire emblem games are easy are either playing engage and other trash, or they follow guides

>>717452940
yeah Draug has a lot of base speed so he is actually one of your fastest guys if you get him out of knight. he's good staying as a dracoknight for a while after promotion to keep his lance rank, but if you don't have merged class sets then fighter is probably fine, he can double and kill stuff with an iron axe for some time
>>717453076
yes, they affect his initial stats and growths a little bit, although you can't pick more than 1 option that boosts the same stat out of the 3 questions, so it's really just about whether you want the extra bases or the extra growths

>>717451874
found an ameliafag

>>717454045
Engage isn't easy though, it filters Advance Wars veterans.

>>717454045
relays exposed gameplayfags. curious that the relay where you had to record videos of your game for proof that you didnt save state had basically no traction

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkRUPRdPN3k
the zoom out showing the painting behind Garon's opera chair is kino
would've been even greater if we had any info about the war's history

I'm surprised there are still people who don't know what Scrimblo Bimblo means. It's been in parlance within the wider Nintendo sphere of gaming fanbases for a while now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOVY_utJdpo

>>717454023
She being a prepromote fucks her so bad.
Michalis joins several chapters later but he is already on par with her barring atrocious luck.
Talking of him, I know he is only playable in FE12 but to what was his role in FE3.
Here he dies getting the tome needed to face Gharnef. Does he do that in FE3 too?

>>717451927
>kaze is arguably one of the worst of them
Let's look at his competition for exp of those early Hoshidans.
>hana
Not happening without going out of your way to grind skirmishes
>tsubaki
His strength comes from being your only flier, Reina shows up a few chapters later and is much better, and you get Camilla in the following chapter along with Beruka. You're not starving for fliers. When he's your only option, he's good, but he's bench material.
>rinkah
Primary use is a strength pair up in the early game, +4 is no joke. As a unit for combat though she's pretty bad and needs to promote in order to get access to magic since you aren't getting a bolt axe for a while. By the time she does get access to her magic Hayato has probably completely eclipsed whatever potential she has.

>>717454220
You mean
>filters AW """"""veterans""""""
Excelblem among others did just fine with Engage.

>>717454249
Holy shit this is next-level obsession. Get help.

>>717454289
Fates in general can be fixed just by expanding on stuff in it's background that's already there, which is more then what i can say about a few other games.
You honestly can't fix something like Engage's writing without removing the ambition from it.

>>717453728
Don't care, I want to have sex with Corrin not Garon

>>717454289
Fates had some actual lore once but they threw most of it out. I'm assuming the painting is one of the leftovers from that first draft where they actually would have gone into the old war and given us more context about Hoshido and Nohr's long rivalry.

>>717454393
>Engage's writing
>too hard to fix
Lmao.

>>717454350
Does your translation work well? My english patch is kinda wonky and unstable I'm fairly fluent in spanish having studied it in uni so if you're willing to share your rom (if it works properly) I'd appreciate it.

>>717454249
probably because we've been doing screenshot lp's for years and nobody wants to deal with that shit or your crippling autism.

>>717454289
King garon wondering why his daughter elise is wearing pants (outlawed in nohrian dress code by king garon in 1120 AD)

>>717454512
well how would you fix it, or is it just impossible?

>>717454393
Can't really fix 3H either without completely axing Byleth and maybe axing the Mole People (or at least seriously rewriting them).

>>717454743
Yeah everything else about 3H works just fine but the fact that it all revolves around the Moles and Byleth to a lesser extent completely kills it's full potential, it's frustrating because i like all the other aspects to it but those really do bring down the entire package.

>>717454393
>fire emblem games just need MORE writing
not this shit again...

>>717443845
Not enough Lapis

When can we get a protagonist to dress as slutty like Corrin, again?

>>717454829
To my point on Engage, Engage would unironically have better writing if there was less of it and if it was more of a generic, stereotypical FE.
so thanks for agreeing with me.

>>717454743
Byleth is fine, the moles I agree and you can tell that the writers had no fucking clue what to do with them.
I found it hilarious how we had another game set in Fodlan and they still managed to do nothing interesting with them, not even make them playable or have a route.

>>717454952
true

>>717454990
>jaegen0
kino

>>717454602
Thats strange because the translation I was playing in english ages ago worked fine (Stopped on the Hardin fight chapter).
A few supports were in english but other than that good.
I got the spanish ones here.
https://retrogametalk.com/repository/nds-roms/fire-emblem-shin-monshou-english-patched/
You should try the english one first.
Note the spanish TL is divided into female kris and male Kris rom due to gender pronoun issues regarding language.
Anyways also wanted to point how dumb Gharnef is for having the Falchion with him instead of thowing it in the ocean or something.

>>717455142
Femleth was pretty slutty, but she could be sluttier and classier. Her Enlightened design is pretty good.
Hopefully if the art staff learns anything from the last few games, it's that people like it when the female avatar is a hot slut.

>>717454350
Yes, they just said "Fuck it, everyone is playable!" for NM.

>>717455351
Except Jagen....

>>717454730
Commit either to being a goofy spoof of Fire Emblem or a serious story with themes of family both found and born into.

>>717455303
Byleth looks too much like an actual whore, it's not attractive.

>>717455243
Thanks. It might be because the rom TL I'm using is missing the DSi binaries so twilight menu++ is kinda unstable as a result.
Also
>Gordin after a whole war and training with Jeorge is still shit tier
H O W ?

>>717454351
My point is, Kaze is not some shoo-in, no more than the rest. I don't know what magnetic force field Kaze possesses that causes people to overrate him. He has crap bulk and crap strength and uses the weakest weapon type on top of it. He's already borderline in Birthright but now the enemies actually have respectable stats.
Mozu has similar issues but can kind of grow into a player phase unit.
The broader point I'm making is, these units, despite their flaws, are some of the only salvageable ones in the route without a ton of grinding. They can be made into contributing units with some elbow grease, but people sorta just selectively shit on them based on their admittedly terrible join chapter.

>>717454952
she loves alcryst more than you retarded ass

>>717455184
>Byleth is fine
LMAO
Silver Snow being shit tells you everything about how much the game suffers accommodating that black hole of charisma.

>>717454350
Still kinda pisses me off that New Mystery didn't give multiple options to snap the brainwashed clerics on the final map. Having to force you to use Merric, Julian, Sirius, and Minerva on the final map to save everyone is restrictive. Marth easily should be able to save his own sister and that Michalis can't save Maria despite how much she loves both her siblings is crazy. Maybe any of the wolfguard, Nyna's guards, or Camus' old troop to help with Nyna.

>>717455509
It's a matter of perspective, really.

>>717454730
Lumera doesn't die right away, she dies a little later on (around Chapter 10)
Better pacing and presentation for a lot of cutscenes
Treehouse didnt localize the game
Better distribution of supports so a lot of the "samey" ones arent frontloaded.

>>717455509
She's not supposed to be a whore but a retarded autist who can't understand how not to be a whore.

>>717455479
>or a serious story with themes of family
I guess it is impossible to fix then because I'm fucking sick of stories about family, that's all Komuro knows how to fucking write.

blyat shitters they are laughing at your self insert again......

>>717455479
I can agree with that, Engage tried too hard to have it both ways and failed at it, in general Engage has serious committed issues with its entire design which is really funny to word like that, but it's the truth.
>>717455639
That would help out a lot but it also feels like it's asking for too much at this point, either way I approve of both of these replies.

avatars are cancer

>>717455619
You have to use those? Hope the deployment slots are actually expanded.
Many of them are shitters.

>>717455740
I only laugh at female blyat

>>717455639
>Lumera doesn't die right away, she dies a little later on (around Chapter 10)
That's what happens in the manga

>>717455851
I laugh at male byleth's stupid jacket.

>>717455797
Bileshit is the worst of both worlds, shitty no personality like a bad MU and can't be customized like a static lord.

Btw removing the mole retards will make fodshart collapse into itself, no tragedy of duscur, no edelshart dogshit sad past, no crest, all into the abyss like your low intelligence.

>>717455639
You forgot
>no random non-canon flash-forward in the intro
>Somniel doesn't exist, Alear was just at a small fort on the edge of Lythos
>bosses get their backstories before dying, so we don't get ten-minute death scenes
>there is no good Veyle, she just is a three-dimensional character

Sex with Yuri (as Femleth)

>>717455601
Silver Snow sucks because it's rushed and the gameplay without two of the best house characters is fucking miserable. The ending is also retarded, Byleth is the least of the route's issues.

>Take pairings out the game
>Take skills out of the game
>Take story out of the game
People love it over 20 years later

just got to the final chapter of engage. gonna play 3H next. redpill me on Maddening. how bad is it? I'm playing engage on hard

>>717423001
It's good game but a terrible FE game

>>717456032
You posted Roy's game when you should've added Hector and Lyn's game instead anon.

>>717456032
fe6 was the first game with the abc support structure and paired endings

>>717437131
So, 3H?

>>717456032
>Take pairings out the game

>>717456108
I don't play romhacks anon. Is the one you're referring to any good?

>>717456056
you will spam ze curved shot and rush wyvern lord and you will be happy

>>717455963
If you need convenient evil men to scrub all culpability from any other character (EDELGARD ISN'T BAD IT'S ALL THE MOLES) you probably have a shitty story.

>>717423001
its incredibly unique. I'm glad the series didn't keep a ton of what gaiden did but I liked gaiden for trying to experiment. fuck witches though I don't know what the fuck kaga was thinking with magic bitches that can warp in and oneshot your dudes with no res

>>717456023
Silver Snow is just Verdent Wind without a real main character to hold it together.

>>717456226
The funny thing is, the characters have every reason to hate each other, but they decided to add obvious evil to the story anyway.

>>717456032
But enough about Marth's games.

>>717456032
>take pairings out of the game
Huh? Roy literally has a harem of girls to choose to end up with

>>717456048
Cute pairing

bring back dancers technically being able to do combat, it was funny. also the dancer variations of the battle themes where kino, real "Oh shit lene/Laura/lalum is about to fucking die"

>>717456368
If they needed moles they should have at least killed them off Act 1 if they weren't going to do shit in Act 2

>>717456476
Huh? All modern FE games have dancers able to fight too.

>>717456628
I think he means fight but not able to actually attack.

>>717455986
>Veyle
No.
>Somniel
That change is pointless

>>717456032
the final victory of gameplay over fluff

>>717456685
Dancers in 3/4/5 and 12+ can all fight and actively attack if you want them too. Hell the first one had access to rapiers and wasnt completely hopeless in a pinch.

>>717456032
FE6 unironically has one of the better FE stories and is miles ahead of FE7's shart.

FE6 shits are the lowest IQ fags ever.

>>717456896
He used examples from 6 specifically though.

>>717456790
>That change is pointless
The Somniel is made of so many plotholes in and of itself.
>you can only teleport to it, but Lumera didn't teleport to it at the start
>it's not used to escape bad situations like chapter 10, 11, or 21
>it can move, but it's never used to circumvent needing boats, which you have to ride at least thrice, instead of using your floating island
Just get rid of it. Like the time crystal. Don't make it part of the fucking lore!

>>717456851
The gameplay is figuring out how not to miss attacks (using Rutger).

>>717456056
maddening is utterly miserable don't bother.

>>717457102
>Rutger dodges and kills everything that comes in front of him
>Milady flies across the map killing the rest
Good old FE6

>>717456032
Who's "people"? I still think it was a dumbed down overcolorful babby game, coming off the innovative heels of FE5. It's criminal how many cool new ideas they cut or simplified without adding much of substance. It's even worse that it became normative for a generation of FE fans, when FE had always been willing to experiment with interesting mechanics since the beginning.

>>717457224
that sucks, do you know how hard mode in 3h compares to engage? I wish there was an option in between

>>717457096
Its obvious that teleporting to the Somniel requires some sort of actual time/effort involved and so when you're running away from people that are trying to kill you, there's not enough time to pull off the ritual needed to transport an entire army.
Making it into a fort in Lythos creates the Garreg Mach problem.

>>717457096
>it's not used to escape bad situations like chapter 10, 11, or 21
Nah it makes sense in these chapters because of the situation the party is in. Notice that you don't get to look around the battlefield after these chapters as well, you don't have time to access the Somniel.

>>717456056
Not bad at all. People who whine about it, unironically suck at 3H.

We need an FE game in a different setting. The medieval era and dragons is just too played out at this point.

>>717457305
>Who's people
>It became normative for a generation of FE fans
I'd say that explains it. Fe6 wasn't bad, but it has a surprisingly good reputation all things considered.

>>717457415
That's like saying Dragon Quest needs a different setting. It's part of its identity. At most, they can play around with different medieval settings like Fates did or even go for Age of Exploration pirate emblem but changing too much just isn't FE and you might as well just make a new series.

>>717457346
>Its obvious that [headcanon]
You rush back to Firene Castle, but apparently had time to stop for whatever made-up ritual you just thought of.

>>717457403
>you don't have time to access the Somniel.
Again, this is just made up. This would also apply if the "Somniel" was just some base camp like in Hopes, but it's even worse because you just teleport to the Somniel in Engage.
It just shouldn't be part of the narrative. It's that simple. The fact that one of the first plot elements in the game is a sequence justifying the existence of the Somniel makes it worse.

How can Gordin even compare lmao? Lv 2 and out of the box is better than lv 5 Gord

>>717457409
>Not bad at all
Saying this to someone that never played 3H is really funny since you can literally softlock in chapter 13 if you don't know exactly what to expect and do, but yeah man people just suck lol

>>717457415
I'd be on board with a Roman, or Chinese like fe but the medieval setting can't become played out.

>>717457701
Alternatively they could lean harder into the magic fortress side of the somniel and make you a guerrilla type shock force that has to kill the target and flee when reinforcements arrive or something similar.

>>717457814
All you have to do with Chapter 13 is not neglect your in house units.

>>717456180
> meets him after not seeing him for years
> immediately thinks about having crazy child-making sex with him now that he turned into a fine man
What is her problem?

>>717425789
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3b3SvbeFJIg
I always liked to hang out at the castle because of it.

>>717457814
To be fair though that's pretty hard to do, especially on AM where you get a freebie, unless I'm misremembering when you get the deadbeat dad.

>>717458035
>What is her problem?
She crafted a boy to be her perfect man, and only realized it whens he was done.

>all you have to do is train these specific units or you softlock
That's what you're saying, brotha

>>717457415
FE without lords, sentai-colored paladins and wyvern riders is not a fire emblem

>>717457701
Yes, it is established that they teleport to Somniel but we dont know how long it takes or what Alear has to do to get the team to go there. You are the one that's applying the no limits fallacy to it.

>>717457981
Ah so you've never played the game on maddening, by bad

>>717457701
>Again, this is just made up
How so? During 11 you are running away from Sombron's forces. It would make sense that the party doesn't have time to access the Somniel. If you are claiming that the party not instantly teleporting to the Somniel is a plothole I don't get it because it's never shown to be used that way.

>>717457981
>>717458091
for some reason this seems to be an issue i've seen in a lot of people playing 3H of picking a house then going "you know what? I'm just going to recruit everyone and neglect my house units, wtf why am i soft locked?"
>>717458096
Why wouldn't you train the units you start off with? Surely you didn't pick Golden Deer JUST for Claude, right?

>>717450421
How so?
Outside of her being surprisingly useful in her base form for a long time, I dont see how.
She is cure, however.

>>717457415
Shut up IS, make me another game with blue haired lords fighting evil dragons already.

If Somniel was some random fortress on the ground in Lythos, then it either becomes a place that the cast can reasonably travel to or from on foot which makes the world feels smaller than it is (3H) or it becomes a place that you can quickly access via teleportation which changes nothing compared to the existing Somniel.

>>717458389
There's never been a Fire Emblem game where you softlock if you don't train specific units. I don't care that much, not like I'm going to play 3H anyway, I just thought it was a curious thing to say. The appeal of this series is in training whoever you want and making a strategy with your preferred team, so it's kinda dumb if you *actually* need to train specific units in order not to die in a fiery inferno.

>>717455709
I just went with the easiest way to fix the story. There's room for family themes since you have a bunch of siblings, some of whom have parents. Yunaka's backstory actually has a nice parallel to Alear's arc with her rejecting her father figure and forging an independent identity for herself. Problem is no one sees it unless they pursue her support with Citrinne.

>>717458149
>You are the one that's applying the no limits fallacy to it.
There is no stated cost to it. All you have to do is think about it.
To assume there is anything else (especially in a Komuro story) is silly.

>>717458369
Your post relies on assuming Komuro even remembered the Somniel was a thing. It's not ever mentioned again until the finale.

>>717458389
I picked golden deer because I thought I was going to get a unique route since the whole point of the game was 3 warring factions. Instead what I got was the first half of the game is copy pasted between the four routes. Why bother trying to use in house units when I can poach the entire school and use the units I actually want to?

>>717458391
>given right at the start
>solid unit her entire book, never falls off
>already extra good, because of Seidr Shell and her being the only Canto 3 unit at the time
Like the only unit in her book she didn't nuke was the invincible Fafnir. Even FEdel could be killed by her.

>>717434780
>Alm games did better than Marth games.

>>717456032
>>Take pairings out the game
>>Take story out of the game

What? They're in there.
Lewd the Lilina

>Take skills out of the game
This is true though.

>>717458660
Once again, you are applying the no limits fallacy to Alear's ability to access the Somniel via teleportation.

>>717458893
>you are applying the no limits fallacy to Alear's ability to access the Somniel via teleportation.
Ok. Give the stated limits Nami wrote for it.
I'll wait.

>>717458660
>Your post relies on assuming Komuro even remembered the Somniel was a thing
No, it assumes that the gameplay team took away access to the Somniel to make the gameplay match the story (which I find it usually does really well despite the poor main plot).

>>717458389
Anon the biggest issue with chapter 13 is surviving the initial wave of overtuned snipers with poison strike and assassins with pass. The house units (except the lord) are literally worthless in this map since the biggest issue is the inital couple of turns. Please play maddening first before talking about it.

>games
>plural
giga retard as expected from a gayden fag

>>717457342
hard mode is very easy and may give you the occasional difficulty bump, but you can play the game as intended versus on maddening where half the investment options are a trap and the game will spawn in units with the pass skill behind you on enemy phase specifically to kill your backliners and make you burn a turnwheel use. if you know exactly what you're doing maddening isn't hard, the problem is knowing what you're doing means breaking and bending all of the incremental progression mechanics which means hours of your life spent on the stupid fishing minigame and a hundred at least tea parties. it feels like the entire campaign is a miserable grinding session, not a tactics game.

>>717458930
I do agree that removing access improves the game, but as I said before, it would make more sense if you were using a camp that had to be set up, rather than the "magical teleportation floating fortress that the enemy can never access."

>>717458970
and that's without accounting the 41 speed assassin's.

>>717457701
>>717458149

Gameplay-wise at least there are his blue portals to leave the area after the battle is over. I'd assume they exist story-wise too which is why it's not just a matter of thinking about it and leaving.

>>717457415
ive always wanted classic era warfare and maybe a barbarian tribal uprising against more advanced but decaying civilizations.

>>717457737
2-2-6-5-8
Huh Gordin is still better, lets see after some more levels.

>>717458929
That is literally my point. Just because they didnt clearly state any defined limits, it doesnt necessarily mean that Alear can teleport whenever he wants.
If that was the case then Chapters 11/22 would give you access to the Somniel.

>>717458572
Alright but hear me out, why not take full advantage of selecting 8 characters at the start of the game, and then using them? No matter the context it seems really silly to do.
>>717458757
Now that's more understandable, but on a second run you know what's coming up so surely you'll put in the bear minimum effort into those house units.
>>717458970
I'm not saying it's easy, it's not, but to be soft locked in that chapter requires more bad decisions than just not training the house units, but that's typically the biggest excuse i hear and not how retarded maddening is designed with it's Snipers and Assassins.
Fire Emblem honestly doesn't work with this level of difficulty in mind and I haven't seen proof that it does otherwise.

>>717458993
Seethe

>>717459219
And you learn to count retard

>>717458886
Only for Roy, it’s essentially proto-Engage

They should revisit the sci-fi emblem idea again.

>>717459187
>If that was the case then Chapters 11/22 would give you access to the Somniel.
Ask yourself: did Nami make that decision, or did the gameplay team?

>>717459196
because maddening's speed creep encourages you to level up quickly, which means immediately dropping whoever isn't good, pouring all of the exp into who is and leveling up the bench fodder with adjutants later so they can maybe survive a round of combat on ch 13 before getting back on the bench.

>>717459036
If it's a matter of preference or tone, sure, but I'm not seeing the plothole issues. The only thing I could kinda see being an issue is the Somniel being able to move but you could easily fix that with a line about it having poor travel speed and being inefficient or something else.

>>717459380
Bro, your Asgardr?

>>717459326
Right back at you.

>>717459428
10-11 and 21-22 were written in a way such that the cast would have no time to rest. This is represented in gameplay by you not being able to access the Somniel (their primary method of rest).

>>717459468
>but I'm not seeing the plothole issues.
There are back-to-back sequences in Engage where you "arrive too late" to save both Flora Port and the port town in Elusia.
Because you had to travel by boat.
This time is also used to brainwash Veyle using the helmet.

>>717459509
In a real FE game, not a decaying corpse infested with powercreep, featurecreep and yugioh effect text

>>717459591
>10-11 and 21-22 were written in a way such that the cast would have no time to rest.
So were 4-5, 8-9-10, and 13-14 but you get to rest there.
It's not consistent. It's just a plot hole.
Also, let's not forget Chapter 12:
>"We're wandering this desert, dying of heat and thirst. No enemies are pursuing us, but I guess we can't just go back to the Somniel for a drink at the cafe and a swim in the pool!"

>>717459596
Alear can't teleport to places that he hasnt visited physically.
The somniel is too slow compared to other methods of travel
Pick your poison

>>717459720
>and yugioh effect text
You wish. FEH is far far far worse.

>>717459817
>Alear can't teleport to places that he hasnt visited physically.
Literally untrue, because the first place you teleport is a part of Lythos that Alear never went to.

>>717459762
>8/9/10
>No time to rest
That is blatantly incorrect. As are your other "counterexamples"

Are anons actually arguing about the Somniel's absence from the story right now? It's clearly just an adult daycare for dumb idiots who like to collect gilded dog poop. The story doesn't care about it because the writers didn't even care about.

>retards talking about plot contrivances
(lol

>>717422413 (OP)
Cause it's a decent remake if anything I wish Nintendo would have went all out with it and just move production to the switch. We got 3H so I ain't that mad about it but it stings.

>>717459984
Alear when she sees her cock

>>717459984
I'm just saying it doesn't cause any plotholes. Hell, if what you say is true then that makes my point stronger because the main argument is about whether the Somniel led to plot contrivances.

>>717459942
>Lythos
There's a difference between a castle in Lythos spitting you out in a place right below it and one teleporting you halfway across the continent.

>>717459984
>The story doesn't care about it
It was the second piece of lore the game told you, right after "Lumera is your mom and the queen."
It should never have been mentioned at all. It being loredumped just makes plotholes.

>>717459979
>>No time to rest
Bro, there are multiple cutscenes of "Oh no, [x] is happening! We have to hurry!"
Shit like Ivy arriving, Morion deciding to go out to battle alone, and Morion's body being stolen so you have to chase it.
Also lmao at you ignoring the Chapter 12 stuff. When you ACTUALLY had time to rest, and the characters just chose to boil in the desert instead!

>>717459196
>requires more bad decisions than just not training the house units
A single lucky gambit and stray arrow can kill you even if you invested hard into dodgetanking, the assassins can breaze past your Byleth and kill your Lord, the vast majority of your house members are a liability that gets doubled, the chapter just fucking sucks and to argue that you need to make the worst possible desions to soft lock in it (whatever the fuck that means) is retarded.

>>717460174
>There's a difference between a castle in Lythos spitting you out in a place right below it
It's not in Lythos, and your argument was "a place Alear had been before." Alear had never been there, they went straight from Sombron's castle into the bed in the Somniel.
It's a plothole, and you're ignoring it because you know it means you lied before. Take it as a lesson for the next thread your slither out of the abortion bucket into.

>>717460216
To be fair if your house leader is weak that's entirely on you.

>>717460180
>>717460258
You are so fucking retarded.
Chapter 9 and 10 clearly had enough time between the events for the cast to rest considering they needed to traverse through large chunks of Elusia.
Compare this to 21 and 22 which start literally seconds apart from each other.

>>717459596
>There are back-to-back sequences in Engage where you "arrive too late" to save both Flora Port and the port town in Elusia.
I don't see the plothole here.

look at them wailing at their own self hatred

>>717460258
>It's not in Lythos
Somniel is a castle floating above Lythos. You also claimed that the first place they got sent to was a part of Lythos that Alear never went to.

are you guys seriously complaining that they didnt write MORE USELESS FILLER FLUFF ABOUT ALEAR TRAVELING THE CONTINENT BETWEEN CHAPTERS??
DEATH TO ALL STORYFAGS

>>717460409
Yes I'm sure Claude and Dimitri are capable of surviving those assassins, to say nothing of Seteth.

Dumb discussion

>>717460595
...are you being sarcastic? It's honestly hard to tell because you're just correct.

>>717460428
>Chapter 9 and 10 clearly had enough time between the events for the cast to rest considering they needed to traverse through large chunks of Elusia.
No, it was stated that they hurried, to chase the corpse in a fucking blizzard.
You're just lying again.

>>717460473
>take a boat ride that lasts a day
>if you used your magical flying teleporting castle, it'd be near-instant
>opt to NEVER use the latter, except for the final boss

Very retarded fanbase

>>717460706
>if you used your magical flying teleporting castle, it'd be near-instant
How do you know that it would be near-instant?

>>717460578
>Somniel is a castle floating above Lythos.
No, it moves.
>You also claimed that the first place they got sent to was a part of Lythos that Alear never went to.
Which is true. Very good. You can read, or at least are learning to.
Wait until you get to the part of Engage where Sombron's twelve red Emblems from other worlds can all speak, despite being red emblems and thus cannot speak.

>>717460701
Yeah you've never played maddening, enjoy the final (you) and feel free to get the final word in.

>>717460776
>How do you know that it would be near-instant?
Because Engage has time-of-day for its chapters, and the time doesn't change between many chapters. Like, chapters 7 and 8 are both at the same sunset. How long is a sunset? Not even an hour?

>>717460813
>spoiler
Honestly fine with them breaking that rule because it was for fanservice. Would have been perfect if they actually modeled the Dark Emblems though.

>>717460820
I did, I specifically did my Silver Snow run on Maddening. It's not a free map because Seteth is mediocre but he's also weaker that the house leaders should be.

>>717450547
most characters can't damage ashnard

>>717460985
Then you should know Seteth is incapable of surviving, post clear.

Ivy: The ritual will take place at Destinea Cathedral. You must hurry. And do be careful. Since the Fell Dragon's return, Father has not been himself.
Alear: I see...
Ivy: That is the extent of what I know. Come, Zelkov, Kagetsu. Let us leave this place.
Alear: What are you going to do?
Ivy: Whatever I can. Without taking sides. If we meet again, Divine Dragon... I pray it is not as enemies.
Alear: Let's head to Elusia.
Diamant: Yes, we have to hurry!

>>717460896
No, I mean how do you know using the Somniel to travel like you said would be near-instant? We only see the Somniel move at the end of the game with no mention about its travel speed.

>>717461092
Alear: The deeper we venture into Elusia, the worse this blizzard gets. Is this the way to Destinea Cathedral?
Alfred: I don't know. In this snow, it's hard to tell where we're going.
Diamant: Gah... We don't have time to get lost! Hold on. I see someone up ahead.
Veyle: Hm? Is that you, Alear?
Alear: Veyle!
Diamant: You know her?
Alear: She's a friend. Veyle, how did you get here?
Veyle: I... I don't know.
Alear: You don't know how you crossed the border into another country?
Veyle: Well, how about you? You look worried. Is something the matter?
Alear: We're trying to reach Destinea Cathedral, but we got lost in the snow.
Veyle: If it's the cathedral you're looking for, head that way.
Alear: You know where it is?
Veyle: Uh-huh. You're close. See the really tall tree over there? Use that as a landmark.

>Chapters 9 and 10 took place back to back bro

>>717461072
I don't recall, I beat SS and then sold my copy of 3H because it's a bad game.

>>717461092
No, man. They all stood around for two hours to do an incantation to summon a wormhole to the Somniel.
They said "hurry" only metaphorically.

>>717461129
Again: how did I forge my weapons between chapters 7 and 8, and it's still sunset outside, if it wasn't near-instant?
If you wanna say "Oh, it doesn't line up with story, it's just a gameplay thing" that can be fine. The issue though is that you're claiming it's NOT a plothole.

>>717461194
So you didn't bother to beat any other route and just shitposted for the sake of it?
>sold my copy of 3H because it's a bad game
Based, all is forgiven anon

Of all the things to complain about with Engage's writing the logistics of the Spaceship Alear is not what anyone's priority should be. Who fucking cares how the Somniel works when it's already incredibly stupid to begin with.

>>717461313
I beat every route, that's how I knew it was a bad game before selling it.

>>717461387
I don't know why we can't just have a war camp like in Awakening.

>>717461237
Chapters 7/8/9 took place im Brodia. They then took some unspecified amount of time to cross Elusia on foot, got lost, found Veyle and got to the Cathedral. There is more than enough time for them to access the Somniel to rest and prep for battle.
Compare this to Chapter 11 which starts with you running away from Veyle and the Hounds as you try to escape the Cathedral.

>>717461387
It's involved in so many plotholes, it should be derided.

>>717461480
Hopes brought it back, and it was cool for it. It even had different sky boxes based on where the story was at the moment.

>>717461480
No War Camp in 3H and Engage because muh recognizable memorable hub

>>717459016
thanks for the info anon, I definitely am not going to bother with that. I'll stick to hard

>>717459596
To be fair, the only time we see the Somniel moving it's to a portal that opened right above it. There's nothing indicating it's actually fast.

>>717461237
>Again: how did I forge my weapons between chapters 7 and 8, and it's still sunset outside, if it wasn't near-instant?
>If you wanna say "Oh, it doesn't line up with story, it's just a gameplay thing" that can be fine. The issue though is that you're claiming it's NOT a plothole.
How are you claiming using the Somniel to move from place to place would be near instant? For it to be a plothole it would have to be mentioned somewhere that it could be used to move from place to place quickly. That would make it a problem because the party moves on the overview map instead of using the Somniel. If there is no showing of the Somniel being used for this purpose, there is no plothole.

>>717461489
>Chapters 7/8/9 took place im Brodia.
Yep. In one evening.
>They then took some unspecified amount of time to cross Elusia on foot
And there's no indication they ever stopped. They even stated they were hurrying.
Everything you're saying to PRAY that it's not a plothole is just headcanon. You have to actively deny the game's own writing to make your argument. It's pathetic.
Nami sucks at writing. Get over it. We already had this in Fates, too.

>>717461532
You have yet to prove why turning it into some random fortress in Lythos would be better for the writing.

>>717461480
having the post-map exploration be the "hubs" would've been the coolest
just paste some tents on your pre-existing map models, add some merchants that follow your army and you're good