Thread 717426193

When Persona become the definitive JRPG instead of Final Fantasy?

Since 2009 when FF stopped both being a JRPG and releasing quality entries in the series.

>>717426193 (OP)
final fantasy 15 has done irreparable damage to the brand of final fantasy, it will take years of nothing but solid releases before they can recover

>>717426193 (OP)
Not a big Haru fan but damn she looks sexy her

>>717426309
>Thinking 15 was what started the downward spiral
FF hasn't been good since the PS2 era and even then it was iffy at times

>>717426446
13 started the downward spiral.

10 and 12 also rustled jimmies, I remember that, but those peopel were wrong, they were still great games, and time proved me right for liking them even back then.

>>717426193 (OP)
kill yourself ESL negroid
sage

>>717426193 (OP)
Like 10 years ago dude.


Atlus and Square traded places in late 00s, FFX was the beginning of the end for Sqaure and Nocturne was Atlus's advent.

>>717426193 (OP)
>hurrr my animu dating sim shit that sells less than final fantasy is actually final fantasy durrr

anon..

>>717426309
It was 13 that completely wrecked FF's reputation for a decade,15 just ensured the continued downward spiral
Do not listen to any of these roaches crawling out of the woodwork insisting 13 is good

>>717426446
fake fan. FF13 was the last real FF game, and the westoid press butchered it to scare Square away from their design instincts. meanwhile fatlus doubles down an cliche anime bullshit and everyone loves it now

>>717426193 (OP)
Persona 5 was released a decade ago. I don’t get where your confidence is coming from, it’s a dead franchise.

>>717426803
10 was a good game if not great game but you must see the trends that ultimately destroy Final Fantasy start there. The writing on the wall was there, 12 follows that trend and 13 is when train goes off the cliffside.

>>717427120
Yes, I actually agree with this.

>>717427060
It still gets new spinoff games to this day.

>>717426193 (OP)
Imagine if every girl was as ugly and boring as Haru. That's Final Fantasy.

>>717426193 (OP)
When more normies and zoomers started playing JRPGs
ATLUS games are well-designed and easily accessible but not very daring or inventive
They had a chance to do something new with Metaphor and they just made Persona in Fantasy Land
The funny thing is that FF and Square in general used to be exactly like Persona and ATLUS, but since X every game has been some crazy new shit
They’ve mostly been well-designed and still appeal to JRPG spergs, but they’ve ironically become more niche with their weird ass command based ARPG battle systems while still remaining one of the most visible and mainstream JRPG franchises
Maybe with VIIRetrilogy’s combat being so praised they’ll just switch to that as the mainline series standard, but I dunno — Square’s hard to predict these days aside from the ever-reliable VII wank

>>717426981
Fuck off man. Xiii was ass. The first 20 hours were hallway cutscenes til you finally got down on the planet and had an open world to dick around in. Also the sequels were terrible

>>717426193 (OP)
10 years ago.
The "lol we never go back 2 turn-based gameplay! :^)" + literal Unreal engine pajeet wanking were the final nails on Final Fantasy's coffin.

>>717426971
FFXV was the nail in the coffin, the cope after XIII was yeah but Versus XIII will be great. Then the years passed and Versus XIII became XV and oh boy what a piece all around piece of shit

haru my beloved

>>717427402
I get the complaint that Atlus doesn't really stray too far from their formula but Press Turn and it's derivatives are so good I can't really really fault them.

>>717427307
Striker was five years ago, anon.

>>717427307
All of them besides Strikers flopped hard.

>>717426193 (OP)
retarded esl

>>717426193 (OP)
some time in the past 20 years during which a good FF hasn't been released

>>717426803
The actual downward spiral was with 11, even if the game itself was fine. It broke the rules of what a true mainline Final Fantasy game was, opening the door for the repeated failed experiments that followed

>>717426193 (OP)
>When Persona become the definitive JRPG instead of Final Fantasy?
When he finally get Persona 6 though...

>>717426193 (OP)
Nobody mentions persona When a new jrpg comes out
Its always compared to ff

>>717426193 (OP)
Made for BWC

>>717426193 (OP)
Persona has more consistency as far as I know
ff other than having the same name is usually different every iteration
so it doesnt have as clear of a brand in peoples mind as compared to dating simulator turnbased game

>>717426193 (OP)
Literally Who?

>>717426274
2009 was more because Persona 4 was so much better than anything Squeenix had made in the last decade.

>>717429972
11 was a self-contained mess though, I remember being hyped as fuck for 13 since the trailers looked amazing (remember this was early PS3 era and people were wowed by the graphical improvements it offered compared to PS2), and then the game dropped and it was shit.

Looking forward to the Makoto cameo in P6 where she kicks the MC's ass and throws him in jail

>>717426873
>sage
bump

>>717426193 (OP)
But it already is?
Persona 5 was the final fantasy 7 of our generation.
Its the current measuring standard for contemporary RPGs while FF is now some DMC knockoff.

>>717436080
i volunteer

Gonna take advantage of this thread since nobody gives a shit.

I played P3FES but I never bothered with the answer cause I was told it was the exact same gameplay as FES but 20 times worse and I fucking hated P3FES's gameplay so I didn't bother, is the story worth it? Cause I either get told it fucking sucks and ruins the story or it being a good epilogue.

Did P3R butcher it that hard? Read that aswell

>>717436080
Hell yes.

>>717426921
You are smoking crack if you think FF is outselling Persona in 2025

>>717439431
I liked the story of The Answer.
But not sure if it was worth it ro suffer in the game for it.
No idea about the Remake but apparently they let you make choices as Aigis trying to mimick the P3 protag but that sounds lame.
But its way better to play simply because you have a compendium and the new OP super moves.