Wait - why is that you guys like this game? The presentation is good, sure, with nice music and visuals, but that's pretty much where the praise stops.

The story isn't awful but its pretty bog standard jrpg melodramatic fantasy shit. The gameplay is fine, but we had games exactly like this back on the super nintendo with mario rpg - there's 0 innovation whatsoever here. And the combat is inherently flawed - on hard mode you just get 1 shot by everything so strategy in fights becomes completely pointless. You have to dodge everything anyway, so having a good strategy doesn't actually achieve anything beyond making the fights a bit shorter. And the exploration sucks pretty badly.

It's not the worst game in the world but it's a 7/10 at best really. I guess if you really really like the story you would rate it higher, but it's pretty much onions marvel tier desu, so if you do like it that much you just have pretty bad taste really.

sick of autistic identical anti E33 spam to be quite honest

>>717426576
and im sick of autistic nerds like you going around telling everyone that some generic jrpg thats exactly the same as the last 50 jrpgs is a 10/10 masterpiece because you get sucked into the anime melodrama.

>>717426537 (OP)
ok

>>717426537 (OP)
It appeals to casuals who avoid other JRPGs for being weebshit.

>>717426537 (OP)
Lune feet
Sciel tummy

>>717426576
final fantasy schizos will NEVER get over it, so strap in

Why do people complain about stories as if there's anything new under the sun?

>>717427017
>>717427454
so is it a jrpg or not?
you jeets need to settle on a narrative

>>717426537 (OP)
Just with BG3 I loved the combat and making builds. Didn't care that much bout the story or the characters.

>>717427905
Neither of those posts claimed it wasn't

>>717426537 (OP)
>The story isn't awful but its pretty bog standard jrpg melodramatic fantasy shit.

Play the game retard

>>717426537 (OP)
> We had games just like it on SNES
This is why it's good

>>717427791
The "there's no such thing as an original story" thing is the most midwit take that exists.

>>717427905
It's a "rpg" but no "JRPG". No matter how much the baguettes pay the journofucks to have you think it is.

>>717427791
because it's subjective. if you want to make a mosty toasty shitty posty, you can simply state an """opinion""" after a five minute youtube quickie without someone questioning your priors or having to do something like 'play the game'.

Because it is an overall ok jrpg in a genre recently mired in total dogshit

>>717428013
It's not that a story can't be original, it's that no matter what, people will semantically stretch it into being unoriginal no matter what.
>"Ugh, conflict and resolution AGAIN?"

>>717426537 (OP)
> on hard mode you just get 1 shot by everything so strategy in fights becomes completely pointless. You have to dodge everything anyway, so having a good strategy doesn't actually achieve anything beyond making the fights a bit shorter.
You didn’t play the game which is obvious
The only boss that invalidates shield builds is Simon and he’s supposed to be a BS super boss. You do not have to dodge to beat this game.

>>717426537 (OP)
Christ this game was a piece of shit

>>717428192
>Christ
you're fooling no one pajeet

>>717426537 (OP)
It's a JRPG without anime designs and character writing tropes. This is huge because failed normalfags can finally play it without feeling shame towards themselves and mistaking it for low quality.

>>717428192
Don't take the Lord's name in vain, rajesh

>>717427454
>weebshit.
soul*

>>717427454
This it appeals to normies who have never played a real JRPG and don't know real kino
>>717427905
No cause it's french but it steals ideas from greater games that are actually JRPGs

The amount of samefagging in this thread is insane and it’s not even 50 posts yet. There’s probably gonna be an allot OP dead threads come TGA since most of the OP’s will dome themselves when this wins GoTY.

its fun

>>717428310
name some of that "real kino"

White people still seething JRPGs BTFO their garbage while making their feefees uncomfortable, so they'll take any trash, even this netflix-exclusive tier pretentious tripe

>>717428340
>samefagging
I've been stuck on the moon for several months and since I got back, 4chan X has had a "?" where the # of IPs was. What happened? Is 4chan masking it now?

>>717428340
>He thinks goty means anything
Literally who cares what journalists think?

>>717426537 (OP)
Release the epstein files.

>>717428231
>. This is huge because failed normalfags can finally play it without feeling shame towards themselves and mistaking it for low quality.
It's kinda sad that for some people, enjoying a Japanese game feels like something to be ashamed of. Says more about them than the game.

>>717426537 (OP)
cool story bro

>>717428310
You're being overly harsh. E33 is not a bad game. It's a good one even. It's just people acting like it's anything other than a FOTM that are annoying.

>>717428383
FF10
FF9
FF8
FF7
FF6
DQ5
Xenogears
Vagrant Story
Final Fantasy Tactics

>>717428639
>No chrono trigger
>No mother
>FF8 and vagrant story
>FFT isn't even a JRPG
Objectively dogshit list. What the fuck man?

>>717428639
>Nothing released in the last 20 years
grim

>>717426537 (OP)
>why is that you guys like this game?
Because it's a huge, autistic, RPG adventure with an explorable world map, with a full party of characters and hundreds of skills.
>there's 0 innovation whatsoever here
If it's executed well, does it really need innovation to be good?

>>717428769
>No chrono trigger
>No mother
ops i forgot about them, but yeah sure, also Chrono Cross
>>717428775
Persona and Shin Megami Tensei

>cover image OP instead of a screenie
i'm not even reading this, whatevers written in this is dogshit

>>717428795
Personally, I enjoyed the game. I'm just annoyed at retards like >>717428775 who act like it's the only good JRPG that exists.

>E33 isn't the first time **I've** heard a Plato's Cave Allegory story, therefore it's bad
Please make sure your criticisms of the story are substantive enough that they aren't reducible to the above. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER!!!!!!

>>717426537 (OP)
It is all around a good game, that's all you need these days after years of western dogshit

>>717428170
the point is that whether or not you need to do one thing or another, the combat system is inherently flawed. if you dont need to dodge to beat the game, why have a dodge system? if you can beat the game by only dodging and not using strategy, why not just play sekiro?

its been a long time since i played a mario rpg game, but my memory is that the QTE's only reduced damage, they didn't negate it, and that allowed for a balanced experience that demanded a combination of both good timing and strategy. this game fails in marrying the 2 systems, it feels like a strategy game with qte's tacked on that completely throw the balance out of wack. not to mention the aiming system being a completely shit gimmick. and they couldnt be bothered to balance the game around their inherently flawed system so they added 3 difficulties. and when bing bing wahoo bright colours game for children from the 90s has a better combat system than your game 30 years on you know you've fucked up.

>>717428842
>Persona and Shin Megami Tensei
both shit

>>717426537 (OP)
I don't agree with how big it got, I also think it's just a solid game. But it's pretty clearly popular because it's a modern Final Fantasy game done correctly. Not JRPG, specifically Final Fantasy.

>>717429054
>I don't agree with how big it got
This is the most pathetic seethe yet

It's just Xenoblade 3 with Xenoblade 1's twist + a dumb tumblr tier drama stapled on top. How is anyone older than the age of 14 amazed by this game?

>The cope went from how it's not a real JRPG to how it's just yet another JRPG and didn't deserve to get popular
kek

>>717429005
NTA
SMT is the peak turn based RPG. E33 isn't bad but the systems are counter-intuitive to the RPG elements.

>>717428383
Persona 4 5 Royal, FF 7 8 10 12 Intergrade Rebirth Like a Dragon Infinite Wealth are all better than E33
>>717428618
E33 is good but it's fanbase is worse than BG3 atleast BG3 was actually innovative, E33 is just babys first turn based RPG and normies who hate anime like aesthethics praise it like BG3 since they havent actually played real JRPGs

>>717429256
You know there's more than one person posting here right?

>>717429297
Even if they played real JRPGs they wouldn't like them. They're slaves to realism.

>>717429297
All of those games are shit.
Can't believe you're praising the gay bear game like the tranny you are, it's innovative in the same degenerate way as Weimar germany

>>717429329
there's max 3 of you and you all say the same NPC shit

>>717429546
BG3 sold like 4x more than E33 did. Just saying.

>>717429628
As opposed to you who's only response is "that game sucks! E33 is better!"

>>717427017
>exactly the same as the last 50 jrpgs
I've never played a JRPG with Sekiro parry mechanics that allows you to no hit the entire game purely with parries and dodges.
So I feel like you're just a bot or a retard.

>>717429636
And Expedition sold like 10x times as your jap slop.
Do sales determine quality now?

>>717426537 (OP)
The presentation is abysmal, kys. The pre-rendered cutscenes are fine but everything else is shovelware tier.

>>717429712
Yes. Pokemon Red and Blue is still the best JRPG ever made.

>>717429712
No, but that's your only argument for E33 being a great game.

>>717429706
Do you except real answers when you post a laundry list of 20 random games you haven't even played.

>>717429812
Literally never happened, that was your argument when you started shilling the gay bear game which you probably shat on before expedition 33 came out like the contrarian fag you are

>>717429815
That post wasn't me. And all the games he listed were like babies first JRPGs.

>>717429891
Then give an answer dummy. What makes E33 such a great and special JRPG? What about it stands out from the rest of the genre?

>>717429898
>babies first JRPGs.
so.. just like E33?

>>717430027
Yeah. Except most of those ones are classics of the genre and E33 will be forgotten in a year.

>>717430019
Are you a newfaggot?
You had entire 3 months to read the threads, not about to spoonfed you now, use the archive if you want to know so badly retard

>>717429708
refer to >>717428936

if i wanted to play a game that allows me to no hit the entire game, i would play a good action game like sekiro. playing e33 like this isnt a game, its just a series of qtes. i wanted a game that married parries and dodges with stategy. I got a game that tried to do this, but failed.

>>717430156
>if i wanted to play a game that allows me to no hit the entire game, i would play (fromsloppa)
wow a single game

Why are these threads always a fight with Final Fantasy people?
You know the devs of both games like each other right? Why can't you be like them? You're allowed to like both.

>>717430156
So then go play something else and shut the fuck up already

>>717430019
its fun

>>717426537 (OP)

>>717430216
>implying sekiro is the only action game with a dodging system

>>717429708
The way E33 is designed is counter intuitive. It expects you to just parry everything and never take damage. This works in an action game set-up because you're actively balancing offense and defense but turn based games really don't play well with this. The defensive game is almost entirely pointless in E33, it's just a waste of resources. The only notable defensive mechanic is shielding (based Monoco)

>>717430151
Concession accepted

>>717426537 (OP)
>you have to dodge everything
Casual.

>>717426537 (OP)
>The story isn't awful but its pretty bog standard jrpg melodramatic fantasy shit
You didn't play it. Watching a video of the story isn't the same as playing it. A good game is more than the sum of its parts, given to you on as bullet points. Trying to explain it to you when you didn't even play it is a waste of my time. Like trying to explain to you what a pussy feels and tastes like.

>>717426537 (OP)
But more importantly, why does this game make (you) so mad?

>>717430574
And everyone who hates BG3 is the schizo who thinks the game's Chinese.

>>717431039
Accept this rope too so you can hang yourself

>>717426537 (OP)
•Music is fantastic. Like the best I have heard in a game outside of remixes of Zun's FM synth stuff using actual instruments, and early Nobuo Uematsu compositions.

•The art style, use of color and palette, and presentation all create a cohesive unified vision that is beautiful and unique, grounded but not gritty. Genuinely a pleasure to see the game on my screen.

•The story is meh. The twist wasn't as big as everyone acted like it was, but it was still pretty solid with a decent foundation and acceptable followthrough.

•Gameplay is just 4NIAR-1 which is perfectly fine with me since I grew up playing Jar Pigs. The QTE shit is a concession to modern audiences I will accept, since it helps the game appeal to a broader audience.

It is a good game. Probably the best that has come out this year, but that isn't saying much. Is it a 10/10 GOAT? No. Does it deserve the praise and a solid 8.5/10? Absolutely. It is better than almost anything that has come out recently, and the fact it has been so successful despite the game's humble origins is fantastic. Expedition 33 succeeding as a passion project despite being an AA game created outside of the standard corporate system of today is unironically a great thing for the industry as it will encourage those with talent, vision, and drive to step away from the big corpos and bet on themselves. Meanwhile hack shit frauds will continue to squander money, resources, and time on soulless corpo slop that is destined to fail.

I mean when you compare it with the other game that /v/ has been hyping up as GOTY Expedition 33 is so far ahead that it really makes you question the sanity of people that post here.

>>717430986
>The way E33 is designed is counter intuitive.
It's not if they devs say so

>>717429708
Infinite wealth has an item that makes it so you take no damage on perfect guard but ultimately there's a reason for this. It's fucking retarded and makes the turn based pointless.

>>717431069
except i did play it. im just not someone who watches anime like you. i watch real movies, read real books, and enjoy real narratives, rather than marvel, anime, and manga. you probably enjoy it because you're still a 15/16 year old boy, which is this games target audience. yes, the way the game slowly drip feeds you explainations and plot points makes it more compelling than some other stories, but it doesnt stop it from being melodramatic fantasy slop.

>>717431412
>tendieslop that pushes degenerate pedophilic interspecies romance

>>717431393
Cry more. Your tears are delicious.

>>717431575
I won, you are the bitch seething because a game you don't like is popular.

>>717431723
I thought you said being popular doesn't mean it's good?

>>717426537 (OP)
They were just some browntoids who were upset about JRPGs having anime art. Its literally the most bog standard JRPG.
> Muh parry.
> Muh mental illnes plot.
done before in JRPGs and deeper.

>>717431783
Doesn't change the fact you will still bitch and cry until you rope.

>>717431357
BG3 has a ton of flaws, so does E33, but the buzzword filled shitflinging posts are the obvious result of low-effort indian shills.

>>717431931
And you still lost this argument. Lol.

>>717426537 (OP)
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1903340/positivereviews/?

>>717431987
Your whole premise was a failure from the start retard

>>717432068
Your whole life has been one too.

>>717431528
>i watch real movies, read real books, and enjoy real narratives
Post your Top 3 narratives in video games

>>717431960
Nah. Some people legitimately are that retarded.

>>717432084
I'm not the streetshitter that makes 2 cents an hour

>>717432208
Shame. Cause they're probably smarter than you too.

>>717432292
Your kind are stupid as fuck judging from this thread

>>717432323
Then why do you keep losing arguments to them?

>>717432094
Super Mario Bros 1, 2, and 3

>>717432620
Top taste, I kneel.

>>717432397
Refer to the arguments you shitskins won.

>>717426537 (OP)
I tell people I liked this game because I liked the game, hope this helps

E33 is not better than a single Atlus jrpg
Yes even Soul Hackers 2 or Tokyo Mirage Sessions

I'm wondering if all of the seething about this game is coming from the people who can't afford a GPU good enough to run it well. There appears to be a lot of seethers, and yet they're clearly not making a dent in the steam reviews, where you can only review if you own the game.
Hmm, very curious... I wonder who they could be...

>>717426537 (OP)
SMRPGs combat doesnt hold a candle to E33s. SMRPG is fucking dogshit, please dont utter it in the same sentence as E33

>>717427905
It's a niggers in a row, supposedly.

>>717427791
Shills and anti-shills are inherently dishonest. They know that fans of the game enjoyed the story's presentation and that there was never any praise claiming "wow this is so new, never been done before!" regarding the story

>>717426537 (OP)
>E33 story
>bog standard

>>717433229
I want to swim with Sciel.

>>717428769
>No chrono trigger
>No mother
Anon this is an imageboard, not IGN's top 10 JRPG article, you don't have to pretend those are good.

>>717430986
I just had a thought. It would actually be very easy to fix this combat system, the pieces are already there.

Remove the parries/dodges entirely and instead make more skills put up shields. You still have a limit of 9 shields and bosses attack multiple times and instead you have an economy for damage mitigation.

>>717426537 (OP)
>that's pretty much where the praise stops
That's where your praise stops. Others praise combat and story too.

>>717427454
I played at least 5 times as many JRPGs as you have, including Japanese only and some so obscure you've never even seen their titles, and E33 is 10/10 game.

>>717428639
E33 is better than FF8, 9, 10, Vagrant Story and FF Tactics imo.

>>717433792
I'd rank it above 8 and 10 but below 9, Tactics and VS.

>>717433869
When was the last time you played Tactics? The gameplay is fucking terrible.

>>717433765
>replies to a random opinion instead of any of the posts with detail criticisms
My name is Jay Arpig and I invented JRPGs, E33 is the worst gayme ever.

>>717433934
Tactics is a based jobs game which means its more fun than the other 5 games combined even if it's broken as shit.

>>717430257
Poor people have low IQs which causes them to argue often, and loudly. People with the money to enjoy multiple games and even consoles can appreciate what different things have to offer, but people of limited means have to pretend the things out of their reach are actually bad and people who enjoy them are actually dumb. To the fox, grapeslop is sour.

>>717433792
I would be okay with someone rated it higher than FF7 too.
The story just sticks with you longer, which is FF7's biggest weakness.

>>717434201
>rated
rating*

>>717430986
No it doesn't, I played the game mostly with dodges, and took plenty of hits. Putting some points into vitality or using pictos slots that give HP let you tank plenty. But, you did not play the game, so you don't know this.

>>717434201
Are you high? FF7's story runs laps on this shit.

>>717433741
You're a fucking retard dude.
That's like removing rolling from dark souls

>>717434260
Actually I did play the game and it's precisely what you describe that made me depreciate the combat system. The minute you play the game as a more traditional RPG with healing and tanking in mind it becomes much more fun to play. Which is why it's counterintuitive, the primary system of the game works against you.

>>717426537 (OP)
>genuine unbiased critique
>shills go on a meltdown
Is there a more annoying fanbase?

>>717434339
No it's not, because Dark Souls isn't turn based. Your offense and defense are not segregated like in a turn based game you balance your actions based on what's happening in real time.

>>717431960
>>717432161
> Netease UE5 slop to own muh Japan anti-japan china posing with lead writer who's chinese.
yaaawn.

>>717432861
I had more fun on E33 than on SMTV or P5R
And I love atlus games

What're some unique or obscure/unusual Jrpgs? Been craving them after playing E33

>>717434464
Yes it is, Exp33 is designed around real-time mechanics, go play your sub-par jrpg slop if you don't like it.

>>717434096
It's just two extremes with nothing better to do: anti-weebs vs weebs. Meanwhile, anyone with a brain just enjoys what they like

>>717434585
The new Saga, Emerald Isle BYOND Server or something

>>717434564
NTA
SMT V is imo the single best turn based game, still the most fun party building I've ever done.

>>717434464
Except they are because you are forced to wait for your turn or get hit, its literally just turn based but the game tricks you into thinking its real time. Souls like isn't a real action game like something akin to Prototype, Bayonetta or Darksiders.

>>717434585
Fuga melodies of steel.
Don't let the furry skin fool you, it has better combat than any of the shit in this thread

>>717434096
Except it was on gamepass for Exp33. There was no gating from playing it money wise. If you try to argue about price and point of authority you already lost your argument. Not everyone is a broke-ass mentality haver like you.

>The story isn't awful but its pretty bog standard jrpg melodramatic fantasy shit.

Yeah remember when the characters were fighting the big evil dark [insert fantasy moinster here] that comes back to life every millenia?
Remember how all the characters were one-dimensional cut-outs you see in every JRPG in the last 20 years?
Like the "Shy-Girl with a stutter" with a sad background story that goes like :"Im from a noblöe family b...but im just the second daughter and my older sister is better than me in everything ;("
Or the "VRUHZY CHARACTZER" with the wacky haircut that is CRUAHZY?
Or the Tsundere girl?

Yeah me neither
Fuck off OP you dumb faggot

>>717434270
It does not.
FF7's story has high points but it is very thematically weak after Midgar. The largest flaw is Sephiroth. A western writer would have tied Sephiroth to Jenova's deception and made him a tragic hero. But JapanOids are too bug-brained to juggle multiple story threads. In the end, Jenova was marginalized into oblivion and Sephiroth is written as as Kefka clone.

IMO, that's also why the Remake sequel trilogy suffers so much. It expands upon the weak foundations of the OG.

>>717434709
>you are forced to wait for your turn or get hit

Retard

>>717434808
Tendies can't play it, and jeets were excluded from its development or don't have the hardware to run it. Those are two huge groups of shitposters.

>>717426537 (OP)
It's super mario rpg with a French girl and realistic graphics. There, that was the market gap. Just shows that suits are complete morons.

>>717434865
>tied Sephiroth to Jenova's deception and made him a tragic hero

I threw up in my mouth reading this. You're a buffoon

>>717434847
Even The World Ends With You is deeper than this shit and each character teaches something different.

>>717435053
Great insight faggot. Really proved me wrong with that one.

>>717428936
>you dont need to dodge to beat the game, why have a dodge system?
You don’t have to dodge to beat any game. Plus your logic is fucking retarded. >If you have options this means the hame is le heckin flawed
I guess we should nuke DMC because Stinger can carry you without having to use any of the other moves in the game. I guess we should get rid of 99% of JRPG’s because if you have to heal that’s a gay option.

Die in a fire you fucking nigger

>>717434949
Amerimutts really attempt to infiltrate euro devs by sending them mystery meat juniors?
The muttoid vidya industry really needs to go down

>>717426537 (OP)
it’s baby’s first final fantasy knock-off

>>717426537 (OP)
do you apply this same line of thinking to every game that has a derivative nature? is every single FPS that came after Doom inherently flawed and therefore not worth bothering with? if you had to limit yourself to exclusively playing innovative and truly unique games, you would run out of things to try very quickly and be stuck with the same handful of titles for eternity.

>>717426537 (OP)
just play FFX instead

>>717429297
BG3 wasn’t answer to CRPG fatigue. People have been clamoring for a mainline FF to go back to this route and EX33 delivered in spades. Sorry but I’m not gonna play FF16 nigger

E33's biggest accomplishment is exposing the weakness of Japanese storytelling.

>>717428263
>>717428228
You idiots need fuck off and die

>>717429706
Yes unironically now kill yourself

>>717433792
No it isn’t, stop lying
>>717433934
dumbass

>>717435319
Chinese story telling more like, they can only recreate overused tropes, lmao.
> But but, muh SEX!
Twilight tier argument why its better than harry potter.

>>717426537 (OP)
It's a good game. It's not the 2nd coming game of the generation that people are acting like though. Most of the absurdly high praise seems to be coming from former FF fans that are butthurt the series isnt turn based/ATB anymore though.

>>717435445
> UE5 asset slop.
Never forget. The usual shills crying about UE5 Asset Slops are quiet about Nantoka33 in these threads.

>>717435306
>People have been clamoring for a mainline FF to go back to this route and EX33 delivered in spades.
If people simply wanted turn-based combat, Atlus would be a household name by now. But they didn't. Sandfall clearly gave the people something that even Atlus couldn't provide.

>>717426537 (OP)
it's not a bunch of teenagers or childish

>>717426537 (OP)
AI generated ass post

>>717435525
Metaphor sold too much for how shit it is

>>717435534
> Not childish.
McGee's Alice is less childish than this shit.

>>717435728
>What if Alice but fucked up and edgy?
Shit taste

I liked it, but really hated the twist because it completely demystified the world which was pretty cool up until that point.

>>717430019
1. The story is extremely well written
Even if I engage with the meme that it falls off by Act 2 it’s still better written and more sincere than most western RPG’s and JRPG’s of the last decade
2. Overworld design is perfectly executed as it’s a straight up pull from older JRPG’s which many have abandoned for the OW meme or more linear 3rd person world structure (Persona/Metaphor)
3. Being able to have an active defense parry/dodge that can also be used offensively (team counters/gradients)
4. Characters are some of the best written in the genre Maelle/Verso clears your fave and it’s not even close
5. Doesn’t go overboard or gay troupes and the troupes it does do work in service of building the world out like the different Gestral beach’s
6. Exciting plot twists that keep you guessing till the end
7. Having a level up and weapons system that’s similar to ARPG’s like Dark Souls which adds even more agency to how you wanna play the game
8. Music is phenomenal
9. VA work in ENG is phenomenal

I mentioned all these things without bringing up muh sales. Now you can seethe and create some new goal post shift or meta conversation to keep getting epic (YOU’s)

>>717435996
The way the characters act, emote and do those faggy poses during combat is less sincere than even the sloppiest slop JRPG. It insists upon itself.

>>717436124
>Pajeet babble

>>717430986
If they expect you to parry everything why is their dodging? Why is there a non parryable/dodgeable attack called a gradient? Why have shields? Why have pictos that grant you greater defense at the cost of AP? Anon I think you might be a faggot retard!

>>717436124
>less sincere
Well the combat animations were contracted out to Koreans who come from possibly the least sincere society since in history.

>>717436163
Projecting won't make your tumblr game better, ahmed

>>717435525
As an occasional fan of RPGs, the thing that filters me from even trying a lot of the modern stuff is that the MCs are almost always androgynous twinks. Like, apparently Metaphor has a really good story, but it's gatekept behind that I have to be this fairy ass gay twink fag fuck? Fuck you.
(I am aware that this design does cater to the audience on nu-/v/)

I caught a real jeet, feed him to the tigers

>>717432861
You’re trying too hard

>>717435996
when you say extremely well written, do you mean by jrpg standards, in all of video games, or compared to other media including film and television, or even compared to actual novels and world literature?

>>717436462
Everything, only the Bible and Evangelion come even close to Expedition 33

>>717426537 (OP)
"AA" fetishization. It isn't even an AA game the devs are mostly trust fund kiddies and the game got a lot of rich investors to put money into it.

It's a good game, but it's been so heavily astroturfed you'd think it's on par if not better than BG3.

>>717436530
Bald gay 3 is dogshit and gets beaten by subpar indies sooo

>>717428929
>shallow references to classical philosophy means it's good
Midwits like you need throw themselves off a cliff

>>717434464
How would you feel if you did not have breakfast in the morning?

>>717435996
The story is literally plagiarized you low iq retard kek

>>717436650
>>shallow references to classical philosophy means it's good
If that what you got out of that post it was a hallucination on your part.

>>717435996
>The story is extremely well written
You can't be serious

>>717436758
>>717436839
Filtered jeets

>>717435403
Take your meds
>>717435525
Because Purse Owner is a weeb shit that also takes like 200 hours to beat. And I don’t even say this as an anti Atlusfag I fucking loved Metaphor it was my GoTY ahead of Rebirth. But the reality is that EX33 looks “next gen” for a JRPG and that’s what brings in the big bucks. That’s why I mentioned FF not Persona.

>>717435996
Up to 7 no, 8 maybe, 9 lol, no

>>717436631
Just because larian can't finish what they start, doesn't mean e33 is better than bg3. The latter falls off after the ea part, but that very part is 10/10. Same with fort joy.
I believe larian sucks at writing, as they don't finish the story including relevant beats before the development process begins. They rewrite often and it shows.

>>717437154
It is a better game in every way

>>717437154
According to ai:
Dedicated Storytelling Team:
The studio is investing in a storytelling group to develop narratives and worlds before full game development begins, aiming to streamline the process and foster creativity.
Exactly what I thought. I am still sure they won't release two games in a short span. One will be stuck in development hell or cancelled completely.

>>717426537 (OP)
>>>717427017
>>717427905
>>717437018
>>717436462
>>717427454
it's a frpg, the j in jrpg stands for japanese, this is a french game

Daily reminder NOT to engage with posts that criticize but don't provide counterexamples of what they consider to be good storytelling/voice acting/music etc. These people are not posting in good faith.

>>717436227
NTA. The options are there but the most optimal choice is always to go all offense and just parry better. Action games with passive skill systems like MH have the same problem, the best defense is just not getting hit in all circumstances because you can maximize offense and end fights faster.

I unironically believe E33 would've been better if dodging and parrying were limited only to certain types of attacks because of this.

>>717437271
>according to AI
why don’t you go roll a magic 8 ball and ask it you dumbass fucking loser

jeets have started shilling bg3 out of nowhere, it's fucking weird

>>717437312
>/v/
>Good faith
it's more the exception than the norm

>>717436124
>goal post shifted
>>717436462
By JRPG standards and by modern game standards and even modern TV standards. This meme is retarded because there’s always gonna be some faggot pseud that thinks because their favorite book is some 500 page tome by Janriq Le Souffle that a game like EX33 is somehow Hulu tier.
>>717436530
> "AA" fetishization. It isn't even an AA game the devs are mostly trust fund kiddies and the game got a lot of rich investors to put money into it.
meds now
>>717436758
> The story is literally plagiarized you low iq retard kek
meds now
>>717436839
meds now

>>717437506
That's why it was just a reminder

>>717426537 (OP)
I played 10 hrs so far and I think it's overrated. Music is very good, story and cutscenes interesting (gommage and assault on beach was kino) but now somehow lost tempo (right now I'm not weird gnom village and it's boring) but enemies look kinda samey and I hate QTE fest. and a lack of mini map.

>>717437326
A good example is the fight with Clea. You literally have no option but to parry all her attacks or she fully recovers. This is the vision for the game, defensive skills are just a safety net. I would also say that in a game like Monster Hunter you always have the option to attack or heal at inopportune times and eat shit for it, or where your offense can create space for you to heal. This isn't the case in a turn base game where there is a defined player phase vs enemy phase.

>>717437613
You couldn't run it lmaooo

>>717435996
> it’s still better written and more sincere than most western RPG’s and JRPG’s of the last decade
lmao the devs are playing 10D chess with your asscheeks. They don't give a shit about the story, they don't care about what the story means, all they want is for the players to keep bickering amongst themselves like this, endlessly interpreting the plot threads that don't ever reach a conclusion so they can sniff their own farts and bask in their genius that pseudo intellectuals praise them with. Every aspect of the story is crafted in a way to deflect criticism
>I dont like this ending because-
You interpreted it wrong
>I feel this character is-
you interpreted it wrong
>Some things I have an issue with are-
uhh thats the point, its a tragedy, your supposed to not like it, art is about emotions not about happy endings
there is no criticism on earth this game cant deflect. The devs have made an iron wall so airtight to protect themselves its honestly impressive how much pussies they are
>but all art is interpretive
interpreting art and drawing conclusions of various aspects to the world is one thing, interpretation for the sake of interpretation like in E33 is just pointless.

>>717426537 (OP)
good music
good story
good presentation
enjoyable gameplay
pretty simple to figure out, really.

>>717437613
There's no way around the QTE fest aspect unless you can learn to like it.
As for the lack of mini map, the areas generally aren't so complex that you'd miss things without it. Maybe 1 or 2 exceptions.

>>717437031
meds now
>>717437301
JRPG doesn’t stand for the region it came from you dumb ass double nigger
That’s like saying you can’t call it Wing Chun because the person teaching it is Korean
>>717437312
It’s fun to slap them around. >>717437326
Not everyone is good at parrying and the game has difficulty settings

>>717437326
depends on what you define as better or optimal. If the goal is to not die (or die as little as possible, then going glass canon is absolutey not a good strategy and really far from optimal. The only reason you can say glass canon is "optimal" is because you literally can't lose because you can retry infinite times, in which case any start works eventually.

I could just as easily make the argument that the actual thing that matters is how safe is a strat/build at beating the game without ever dying, in which case glass canon is awful.

>>717437739
You literally, figuratively and objectivelly didn't get it

>>717437739
>gets told regularly that he interpreted e33 wrong
You just told on yourself.

>>717435996

It was a fantastic game, undebatably the best JRPG in years/decades. I unironically think japan is dead when it comes to JRPGs. They're too stuck in the mud and too resistant to change/growth.
>what should our story be about?
toppling the established hierarchy!
>who should our MC be?
androgynous twink!
>where should our story take place?
highschool!
not even getting into the fact that they can't write, animate, or present anymore.

>>717437662
Clea is a super boss that’s only meant to be fought once you’ve mastered the system. None of the mainline story bosses or enemies punish you for not being able to parry perfectly. This is like saying shields are invalid because Simon exists.

>>717437738
not everyone is nigger of rashid from the third world anon.

>>717436227
I just parried everything and if i missed a parry and got one shot i had a picto that gave me shields for my partners dying. the game was rewarding me for missing parries and doing badly and i became an unkillable machine. the games combat system is flat out bad

>>717436462
idk, i can see making a distinction when it comes to world literature, since it's often less accessible, but with movies, TV shows, and video games? The definition of "well written" is basically the same across the board

I miss the poster count

>>717437739
> lmao the devs are playing 10D chess with your asscheeks. They don't give a shit about the story, they don't care about what the story means, all they want is for the players to keep bickering amongst themselves like this, endlessly interpreting the plot threads that don't ever reach a conclusion so they can sniff their own farts and bask in their genius that pseudo intellectuals praise them with. Every aspect of the story is crafted in a way to deflect criticism
Anon the plot of EX33 is quite clear. This isn’t a Fromsoft game where a random lore piece about Scrimblo Bimbo throws lore theory’s out the window. I don’t know what game you played but no one is bickering about the story except for the 2 endings.
> interpreting art and drawing conclusions of various aspects to the world is one thing, interpretation for the sake of interpretation like in E33 is just pointless.
You aren’t actually saying anything anon. The devs are leaving some element of the different ending consequences up to interpretation or whenever a sequel gets green lit.

>>717428003
anon... he literally described the game accurately. don't tell me you think that "le story is not what you initially thought! muh subversions!!" is some new and novel concept lmao.

>>717438071
most succinct truth nuke in this thread and it hurts me in my soul; I wish JRPGs were still good.

>>717437362
There was a link to a source that says exactly what ai cited, you sad and pityful thing someone called mistakenly son, you clown, you pathetic one. Why don't you read a book, at least a single one, before you die?

>>717426537 (OP)
Started playing this recently for the first time and the main character keeps saying "yeah". Its a bit distracting.

>>717438461
Obvious samefag, go back to the drawing board.

>>717438221
Why is mimic tear allowed to exist but not shield pictos?

>>717437739
I'm afraid that's the long and short of it. Now 10D story here.

>>717438450
No one said it was you fucking gay nigger

>>717438461
Most retarded reply to a terrible post I've seen, I always knew E33 fags were dishonest retards

>>717435525
P5 sold ~7 million

>>717429005
yes so shit they straight up ripped the battle ui and social link system from persona because they couldn't actually innovate at all

>>717438575
nope
>>717438623
and seethe, weebs

>>717438580
mimic tear isn't allowed to exist and ER is actively a worse game for being designed around it

>>717437326
>the optimal way to play the game is to not get hit while killing everything
welcome to video games

>>717438597
so what makes the story good? only 2 main characters are actually consequential plot and it heavily relies on slow melodramatic scenes with beautiful music to make you emotional and if you don't fall for it the whole story falls flat

>>717435996
>>717436526
So the writing is trash?

>>717437662
>an optional lategame boss
>This is the vision for the game
Can't tell if you're retarded or just indian.

Reminder

for me, it's the Martenon, a stylish weapon that enhances all of Sciel's mechanics! plus it has the earth affinity, an element barely covered by the rest of the cast!

>>717426537 (OP)
>The presentation is good, sure, with nice music and visuals
The game looks bad. Everything on UE5 looks off, I'm not an expert so can't describe it well but the engine is ugly

>>717440297
I played Ver/stave + Maelle + Lune my first playthrough but want to main Sciel and Monoco for my second. Who is the best 3rd to complement these two?

>>717437904
>>717438034
>>717438440
poetry how you are all trapped in a Platos cave of your own while discussing a game with the same allegory. You think you understand clearly what is happening and can talk down on others because this game gave you a false sense that you understand stories, but there is an entire world beyond video games and anime that you cant even comprehend. This game is limiting your interpretive framework because it doesnt challenge you at all, you cant even refute the argument beyond saying "no you didnt get it". You are 100% on the money this games intended audience and cant even see it

>>717440689
Literally doing the same thing as you right now with Gustave/Verso as the third. The idea is having my fully built OP Maelle in the backup squad in case I need her

>>717440297
Best rpg, lol at picrel

>>717439056
>>717441515
I know you’re mass replying like a gay nigger but I want you to know I didn’t read your last post. EX33 is a masterpiece and you can read your gay novels on /lit/ nigger

>>717441995
>EX33 is a masterpiece
jesus christ how have our standards dropped this low

>>717436526
woah there. I'm not ready to have this conversation yet. Let's hold off a little longer on this. It's too early to put it in that company and I'm not even sure it belongs there. That literally holy territory.

>>717442114
>our
brown attempt at groupthink shaming

>>717442315
>heh you're brown!
you still have horrendous taste in games though.

>>717442470
Then please return to your homeland where such games are not prevalent.

>>717441515
>You think blah blah blah
You actually can't mind-read people over the internet. Very convenient for you to argue against imaginary versions of other anon's thoughts, but unfortunately marks you as a midwit.

>>717442561
>return to your homeland
i'm in my homeland right now though. also you think e33 is a masterpiece LMFAO

>>717442770
Sorry, paco ranjeet ombaku, this will never be your home.

>>717442869
Our country now timmy. The fuck you gonna do about it?

>>717426537 (OP)
I hear if you're brown this game is really fun and entertaining as there's tons of representation for blacks and the like. Unfortunately as a white man I just couldn't get into it.

Worst thread on /v/, threads should be insta deleted if the OP posts more than 50 times in them

>>717426537 (OP)
>The presentation is good
it's not, it's visually and technically shit, even the music is mediocre.
pic related was released 10 years ago on the PS4 with no pro support.

>>717428769
>FF8 and vagrant story
>Objectively dogshit list
fucking retard, both are literally the top of the top in their genre

>>717443402
>even the music is mediocre.
kek
>ps4
last console you were able to afford, rajesh?

It would be far more productive than seething if Indians would just make their own game that gets universal acclaim. They could call it Expoopdition Dirtyjeet HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.

>>717426537 (OP)
>muh innovation
Haven’t played it, but I’m tired of this. How do you innovate the RPG genre at this point?

why do retards keep calling it a jrpg?
it's a muttoid game, it will never be considered as a jrpg, it's mediocre trash

>>717444024
>cite a game from the PS4 era
>kek pajeet can only afford PS4
Damn anon, what would have happened if I was comparing it to FF13 on PS3?
>>717444024
>even the music is mediocre
Correct, call me when it sound like that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLTMyYSR-yk

>>717444974
You can be a pedant and insist that it be called a jrpg-like or jrpg-style but that won't fix your problem that you will never be a woman.

>>717444938
>How do you innovate the RPG genre at this point
It's not you or me's job to come up with ways to innovate, it's the devs job. And you shouldn't drop your standards to the point where you aren't looking for innovation anymore because you yourself can't think of ways to innovate

>>717445179
>coe33 defenders can't keep themselves from not mentioning trannies in every reply
peculiar

>>717445179
i'm fine with not being a woman just don't call it a jrpg because it isn't

>>717445271
It's a JRPG. Seethe.

>>717426537 (OP)
>The gameplay is fine, but we had games exactly like this back on the super nintendo with mario rpg - there's 0 innovation whatsoever here
You are confirmed for either not having played Super Mario RPG, E33, or both. The only similarity they have is that there are button prompts for some moves, you might as well claim GTA is the same as Driver because both had cars. You people really should stop seething just because you don't like a game, it's unseemly.

>>717426537 (OP)
its 10/10 kino

my only complaint is act 3 is poorly paced/designed

>>717441995
it isnt a masterpiece, it is an 8/10 and its lucky it has gameplay because if it was pure story then it would be in trouble. Considering this a masterpiece absolutely lowers the standard of what a masterpiece is.

>>717428639
I have played and beaten every single game on this list and E33 appealed to me greatly. I'm sorry, there's really no way you can have liked bombastic JRPGs of the 90s but have an issue with this game. Not memeing or joking around trying to shill here, there's no reasonable argument you can use to support such a viewpoint so either you didn't play all these games or you are simply lying for attention on the internet. Either way it's pretty pathetic.

>>717445197
I’m happy I can still enjoy derivative games as long as the presentation is interesting.

>>717438697
Persona wasn't the first series to have relationships that leveled up, or a battle menu that was unconventional

>>717445345
that'a pretty much the only blemish the game has. They clearly did'n finish the game the way it was supposed to for whatever reason. It' perfectly seviceable but yeah, they could have fleshed act 3 out a little.

>>717445626
doesn't change the fact e33 devs got the idea from persona you fucking nincompoop

>>717445659
>only
jesus christ get some standards

>>717445523
>Not memeing or joking around trying to shill here
sure buddy...
>there's no reasonable argument you can use to support such a viewpoint
I could list so many that it will fill the entire fucking thread alone.

>>717445523
I haven't played E33 yet but i've nothing against it, i just listed some other great experiences that antiweebs will never explore.

>>717445690
>source: I dunno they kinda look alike

>>717445781
No you can't, and no you won't. There is nothing short of nostalgia you can seriously use to argue that this game isn't the spiritual successor of those games.

>>717446817
more like they are identical and only 2 games have it. just so happens e33 came second so i wonder where they got the idea from?

>>717446510
That's fair, and completely true. It's a shame but what can you do, most games these days are pure slop so slop is all they know.

>>717426537 (OP)
it's a great turned based game with obvious influence from classic JRPGs. that's what a good number of people have been asking for years now.

>>717447149
octopath 2 came out in 2023 anon, these games have been releasing e33 just got glazed cause it doesn't have an anime artstyle

>>717446967
>only 2 games have it
sorry but no, this is why you are wrong anon

>>717447383
okay post other turn based rpgs with the same battle ui

>>717447268
I played the first one and just thought it was just okay, so I'm not in any rush to play 2.
unicorn overlord was pretty fucking great though, just not quite a classic JRPG gameplay wise.

>>717446864
It isn't the spiritual successor of those games.
FF8 allow deep customization that matter (junction) coupled with the mini-game/quest/story (triple triad), E33 doesn't, the parry system cannibalize everything, making the entire sub content, aka the RPG part, redundant.
And this is for the gameplay alone, lets not even talk about how those games back in the time were pushing the limit in term of graphics and visual style instead of being a fog simulator wallpaper.

>>717447732
>FF8 allow deep customization that matter (junction) coupled with the mini-game/quest/story (triple triad), E33 doesn't
FFIX allowed you to gain abilities from items, E33 has that as well. Missing triplie triad does not mean that it is not a spiritual successor to the JRPG format.

>the parry system cannibalize everything, making the entire sub content, aka the RPG part, redundant.
No it does not. Your stats matter quite a lot, the fact that a skilled player can avoid damage if they are very skilled doesn't change that fact.

>lets not even talk about how those games back in the time were pushing the limit in term of graphics and visual style instead of being a fog simulator wallpaper.
You are just trolling at this point if you don't think E33 has impressive graphics and visual style lmao

>>717429708
Mario and Luigi series did that.

>>717447430
>the same battle ui
when you say same do you mean the EXACT same? E.g. if i post a turn-based game that has similar mechanics of a button going to a specific action are you going to be a massive faggot and say they don't count?

>>717448416
>when you say same do you mean the EXACT same
well i did say the 2 are identical so yea i think that's what i mean.
>are you going to be a massive faggot and say they don't count
i won't be a massive faggot but I will say your bullshit doesn't count

>>717434395
That is not what depreciate means, are you ESL? The reason you had less fun is because you suck at the game and wanted to play something easier. Just go ahead and do that, you're too old for this game probably.

>>717437662
You heard it here folks, because one of the superbosses requires you to parry to win that's what the game wants you to do in every fight. I guess since Serpenphare can't be hit without making it eat 15 shields and then parrying that this is what the game wants you to do in every fight too. Makes perfect sense lol

>>717448521
>well i did say the 2 are identical so yea i think that's what i mean.
they're not the exact same though

>i won't be a massive faggot but I will say your bullshit doesn't count
translation: you will be a massive faggot, I accept your concession

>>717448195
>Your stats matter quite a lot
Nta but I didn't feel like they did either. The dodge and parry system almost negates entirely the necessity for anything outside of boosting atk and the game doesn't do that much with elements or statuses either. If the system wasn't as forgiving it might be a different story but it takes over a chunk of what otherwise might be more strategic management of stats and resources.

>>717448753
>they're not the exact same though
they definitely are. my question is why does it trigger you so much. e33 is a better game regardless, it shouldn't be surprising that one of the most popular turn based games of the last decade has influenced games doing something similar

>>717433765
your top 10 best jrpgs of all time so¥fag?

>>717448963
>they definitely are
They aren't, sorry anon I'm not saying it wasn't influenced but P5 wasn't built in a vacuum either

>>717449063
>P5 wasn't built in a vacuum either
no game is
>They aren't
what are the differences between the two?

>>717448909
Most people are not going to effectively dodge every attack, so keeping higher vitality and defense can be important for those that don't have better reflexes. This is especially true later in the game when some attacks become very difficult to parry and/or dodge. I think it was just as challenging as it needed to be without making it overly onerous for most gamers, though I do think the earlier areas could use some tuning to make them a bit faster-paced to keep players on their toes.

>>717448195
>FFIX allowed you to gain abilities from items, E33 has that as well. Missing triplie triad does not mean that it is not a spiritual successor to the JRPG format.
spiritual successor =/= have some common feature, do you know how many games have this feature? unless you think TOCA race driver is the spiritual successor of Gran Turismo because they both have multiple racing leagues inside lol.

>Your stats matter quite a lot, the fact that a skilled player can avoid damage if they are very skilled doesn't change that fact.
You are literally contradicting yourself, the stats doesn't matter much if you can dodge/parry everything, many tactical decision can literally be skipped by simply being good at parry, therefore, nobody will really take the time to push those to the limits because they will always lag behind your motor skills.

>You are just trolling at this point if you don't think E33 has impressive graphics and visual style lmao
I literally posted other games released 10 years ago (and more) with WAY better TECHNICAL and VISUAL style.
How can you say it's impressive when everything is put into a massive volumetric fog with shit tons of assets slop. Pic rel, while being a production shot, show at least a beautiful world to explore, back in 2001.

>>717449192
>no game is
then what game is P5 "stealing" its menus from?

>what are the differences between the two?
Depends on the character, potentially a lot. Where in P5 do you find the wheel on the right or turn timer on the left?

>>717426537 (OP)
This isn't a JRPG

>>717449232
yes they are, this game is basically Elden ring + sekiro turn based. Imagine saying not everyone is going to dodge in Elden ring or parry in sekiro so it's worth it to raise VIT and DEF, if they dont they aren't playing the game right. This game is built to dodge and parry. It's technically an option, but I seriously doubt there is a large chunk of the population just not deciding to dodge or parry and eat every attack for no reason.

>>717449337
>spiritual successor =/= have some common feature, do you know how many games have this feature? unless you think TOCA race driver is the spiritual successor of Gran Turismo because they both have multiple racing leagues inside lol.
Do you know how many games have a system where characters junction abilities that raise their stats? Lol you can't sit here and claim that it's not a spiritual successor because it doesn't have a junction system when none of the preceding games in the series or afterwards had that same system.

>You are literally contradicting yourself, the stats doesn't matter much if you can dodge/parry everything, many tactical decision can literally be skipped by simply being good at parry, therefore, nobody will really take the time to push those to the limits because they will always lag behind your motor skills.
Most players cannot dodge/parry everything. Parry has very tight timing and thus it is more common to rely on dodging, but that too can be tricky depending on attack so players sometimes get hit. Stats matter in the game, including HP and defense.

>I literally posted other games released 10 years ago (and more) with WAY better TECHNICAL and VISUAL style.
The argument was whether this game has good technical and visual style, not whether it was better than the games from which it draws its inspiration. You are coping if you think it is not impressive graphically and stylistically

>Pic rel, while being a production shot, show at least a beautiful world to explore, back in 2001.
so why the fuck are you using a production shot? That is not what you see in the game.

>>717449660
You definitely have not played this game if you think anyone that has not played the game before is going to go through most of it parrying everything. You're just coping massively at this point if you seriously suggest that.

>>717426537 (OP)
>but it's a 7/10 at best really
To be fair that's kind of the average for WOW AMAZING BEST GAME OF THE YEAR since like 2008 or so

I'm playin the game now. Surprised /v/ didn't shitpost more about how the male main character dies early on and the party for most of the game is all-female

>>717449446
>then what game is P5 "stealing" its menus from
i don't know if it's stealing it's menus from anything, that doesn't change the fact that the game wasn't built in a vacuum though
>Where in P5 do you find the wheel on the right or turn timer on the left
i guess there are differences. these are the only 2 games i know of which have your face buttons on the screen mapped to combat options though. i don't understand why people say the game is so similar to ffx when the only thing they have in common is the turn order placement

>>717449834
>that has not played the game before is going to go through most of it parrying everything
Oh so you didn't parry everything? Maybe you just aren't as good at the game as you think you are, don't project that onto me though.

>>717449232
From a technical standpoint you're right. Failing to dodge or parry there needs to be a backup where stats can help out. But practically speaking too many attacks are relatively easy at least to dodge and, once you get used to it being based on sound, parry. It really begins to negate the usefulness of stats. Unless you purposely don't engage with it, but I'd say the game is very much build around the idea that you do so.

>>717450303
So yes, you did not play the game. You shouldn't comment on games you haven't played, maybe you just enjoy the attention though

>>717449834
then what the fuck is your source for saying that? It just sounds like your opinion based on what you think makes sense. I have not seen a single video or clip that doesn't have someone attempting to parry or dodge every attack. I have played the game and even finished it with 0 points in vitality because it doesnt matter

>>717450430
There are many attacks that are easy to dodge, but increasingly later in the game more and more attacks become difficult to dodge. At that point, you're inevitably going to be hit a few times, and in those times your defensive stats are necessary. I'm sorry, I acknowledge we all like to say we're really good gamers on this board, but most gamers are simply not going to dodge everything, they're gonna get hit. My cousin straight up almost quit playing it because it was too difficult for him to dodge shit, until I let him know there were pictos to help out for people that suck like he does.

>>717450526
Source is the game. I didn't say it wasn't optimal to dodge and parry, I'm saying most people are going to get hit throughout the game. That's why they have multiple gameplay elements to help people that can't dodge and parry everything...

>>717450198
To be fair, it's kind of foreshadowed by Gustave straight up lacking mechanics compared to the others. He was either going to die or get a cool upgrade, but seeing how bleak the game tries to be, someone was going to die so...
And he immediately gets replaced by another white dude so there isn't really any reason for /pol/ to get upset

>>717450451
Yeah I did play the game, I rushed act 3 though because the side content bored me. I think I only missed around 10 parries in my entire run. Maybe it's really hard to parry if all you're used to are bum ass turn based games but as someone who has mastered sekiro and royal guard in DMC parrying was really fucking easy.

>>717450729
Sure anon, I believe you

>>717450595
but lets say you have a lot of points in vitality, ok great now you can tank 2 more hits instead of 1. the most powerful bosses already do so much damage you need to parry and dodge anyways. It's like putting on a bulletproof vest and deciding to fight a tank, would it make a difference if you weren't wearing one? No because the most effective strategy would be to not get hit at all. It's the same principle in E33.

>>717449760
>Do you know how many games have a system where characters junction abilities that raise their stats?
Do you even know what the junction system is? It goes far beyond "put abilities to raise stats", it actually customize entirely your characters, not only stats, but also your command menu (at a deeper level, with various unique ability), allow to use certain GF for attack or defensive actions (replace your HP) etc... Back then, when it was released, no games where trying to go that deep trying to link everything together (junctioning/crafting/tripe-triad).

>Lol you can't sit here and claim that it's not a spiritual successor because it doesn't have a junction system when none of the preceding games in the series or afterwards had that same system.
I never said that, I said that it's not a spiritual successor because it doesn't share enough with any of those games, that's simple. Crysis is a spiritual successor of Far Cry, Driveclub is a spiritual successor of Project Gotham Racing etc...

>Most players cannot dodge/parry everything
Yes and? It doesn't change the fact that parrying matter more, even more than some bosses really requires it, so you will be forced to be good at it at some point or an another.

>The argument was whether this game has good technical and visual style
And my argument is: it's trash visually, and I compare with other games to show you OBJECTIVELY how bad it is. If so, you could call the drawing of your 4year old niece the next picasso with that same argumentation.

>so why the fuck are you using a production shot?
To show the ART STYLE, unless you want me to compare the TECHNICAL side of a 2001 game from the PS2 vs a 2025 game on the PS5? but sure, here, pic rel.

>>717450860
I'm sorry I'll keep it to myself next time, didn't intend to bruise your gamer ego.

>>717450958
Okay, and that would be true in any JRPG. In an ideal setting, you get hit very little or not at all. So what's your point? Most players are not going to dodge everything so the additional HP lets them make more mistakes before they die. If you're good enough to not need it then you don't dump points into it.

>>717451071
Why would I be annoyed about you lying anonymously?

>>717451147
Did you really get hit so many times that getting through the game parrying most enemies is farfetched to you?

>>717427905
JRPG inspired RPG

>>717450451
Anon, do you like poop? no? why? do you think it will taste bad? how do you know? did you tasted it?

>>717435996
>The story is extremely well written
Yawn...

>>717451464
It's funny how no one actually can explain why it's well written, they just felt the feels and assume you felt them as well

>>717451004
>Do you even know what the junction system is? It goes far beyond "put abilities to raise stats", it actually customize entirely your characters, not only stats, but also your command menu (at a deeper level, with various unique ability), allow to use certain GF for attack or defensive actions (replace your HP) etc... Back then, when it was released, no games where trying to go that deep trying to link everything together (junctioning/crafting/tripe-triad).
It is almost entirely used to increase stats, you are giving out miscellaneous things that don't change most players are just going to junction Triple to STR and then fucking kill everything lol

>I never said that, I said that it's not a spiritual successor because it doesn't share enough with any of those games, that's simple. Crysis is a spiritual successor of Far Cry, Driveclub is a spiritual successor of Project Gotham Racing etc...
Your example for why it's not a spiritual successor is that it doesn't use the junction system. No other FF game before or since used the junction system. But it does use a system exactly like FFIX. Which I guess is not FF enough for you?

>And my argument is: it's trash visually, and I compare with other games to show you OBJECTIVELY how bad it is. If so, you could call the drawing of your 4year old niece the next picasso with that same argumentation.
Nothing you said was objective, you just posted a picture of a render from FFX which didn't show any vast artistic quality beyond what E33 did. It's funny that you follow that up with Macalania like it's some incredible visual spectacle lmao

>>717451232
Anon, I get it. You wanted to get some attention and pretend you beat the whole game parrying everything. Here's your attention, you did good buddy

>>717451110
it doesnt matter in this game because realistically regardless if you have high HP or 0 points no one is beating the big bosses in one or even 2 tries unless you are crazy good, most people are going to keep attempting by trial and error until they can do more damage than they receive, which is done by memorizing attack patterns until they can parry or dodge each one. So it doesnt matter if you die in 2 hits or die in 5 hits, the endgame of the combat still bottlenecks into memorizing attacks, delayed attacks, and the jump attacks. So if memorization is the game then there is no point in putting points into HP at all, might as well put them into stats that will do a millimeter more damage to speed things up

>>717451559
They never experienced a good J-RPG story, so of course anything "above" utter trash is like the second messy of jesus christ for them.
Funnily enough, FFX story alone (and its not the best out of there) is far better, thanks also to good CGI custcene (that still gives more emotions than whatever DAZ 3D assets they are using in E33).

>>717451389
>food analogy
Holy ESL, anti-E33 shills really are just angry thirdies. Astounding.

>>717450595
That's fair. It's not that like I didn't enjoy this game's battle system but in their future games I'd just like to get a stronger feeling that the stats and strategy relating to how you build your characters matter a bit more. The dodges and parry take the central stage of the combat and I'm sure there's ways to build around it but it doesn't feel intuitive to do so. Like the other anon said when you reach late game and the optional bosses it becomes very hard to tank those attacks and you become even more reliant on it.

>>717451826
So the answer is yes, you fumbled your way through the game completely getting your ass whipped left and right and still had the nerve to go online and shill for the devs afterwards. You fuckers are pathetic.

>>717451918
e33 isn't good but ffx isn't really good either. i have no idea why it's the go to for good stories in jrpgs

>>717451915
That is senseless, memorization of boss patters to avoid getting hit as often simply means you won't have to continue dying as much. You could remove all the HP and DEF you want, but you'll probably die more and thus have to retry more times before learning the enemy's moveset. The increased HP and DEF give you more time to master it. That's true of literally any action RPG that has a dodge button though...are we seriously going to pretend that any game that has a dodge button and health has obviated defensive options other than dodging literally everything perfectly every time?

>>717426537 (OP)
Indian shills paid by nepobaby, which is nothing new to be honest.
What's worrying is how many jannies were closing down anti-e33 threads or banned anons pointing out flaws in the game that wasn't just bait but actual criticism.
Maybe it would've been better if 4chan stayed down forever.

>>717452036
>you fuckers are pathetic
>now why don't you believe my complete lie that I parried every single fight in the game perfectly for forty hours straight?

>>717452160
So is this game basically guitar hero but without music?

>>717451389
>did you tasted it?
failed the english test again

>>717452270
Some of you people make me think they really are putting retard juice in the water

>>717452243
>>now why don't you believe my complete lie that I parried every single fight in the game perfectly for forty hours straight?
I couldn't care less what you believed, every gamer worth their salt agrees the game is piss easy on expert. It's just funny to me that you think it's so farfetched that you don't even believe it because it goes to show you got your ass handed to you in your run of the game.

>>717452431
>I couldn't care less what you believed
I don't know, you seem to care a lot with your insistence. It sounds like you really want me to buy your bullshit anon, you should work on selling it better next thread though

>>717452160
E33 is different than other games because it's turn based. Real time combat dodges like in dark souls have stipulations with decreased movement, if you dodge the wrong way you could land in a follow up attack. In those games it makes sense to put points into HP and DEF due to unpredictability. But in E33 there are no downsides. So your argument is disingenuous

>>717452551
>you seem to care a lot with your insistence
I care a lot about keeping the incredible fucking laughs going, every post you further prove how fucking bad you are at this game. After reading your last post I had to pick myself off the floor I thought I was going to die laughing so hard, lmfao

>>717451756
>that don't change most players are just going to junction Triple to STR and then fucking kill everything lol
You didn't played this game, nor did challenge run clearly. Go LV100 1 character only and try to beat the T-REX just after getting Ifrit without doing 400 IQ moves with the gforce summoning, see if you can beat it (good luck, see you next month).

>Your example for why it's not a spiritual successor is that it doesn't use the junction system
I never said that, I don't know how you come to that conclusion. I said it again, a game need to share a lot in commons to be considered a spiritual successor, and not some features there and there, I already listed games that were spiritual successor of others (you can add ABZU that is a spiritual successor of JOURNEY).

>which didn't show any vast artistic quality beyond what E33 did
Now you are trolling hard. Between the water sword, the flying souls, the ruin of zanarkand surround by clouds in the background, aka, a flooded city destroyed by a big event, the color contrast (light at the bottom, darker on the top) to emphasis the dramatic aspect of the story (visible on all the prod renders) etc... it's an incredible shot that was imagined by the art director himself (yusuke naora, cf interviews) that wanted to give a specific tone of despair and hope for each characters (cf yuna, lulu, wakka renders )

> It's funny that you follow that up with Macalania like it's some incredible visual spectacle lmao
eh? because it's not?

>>717451929
>>717452417
I accept your concession

Look at how otaku trash modern Fire Emblem, Persona and Falcom games look and tell me why people are wrong to play something else.

>>717452905
>I care a lot about keeping the incredible fucking laughs going
yes, that is why you keep trying to convince an anonymous person that you played this entire game and never got hit in dozens of hours lol. I bet your dad works at Nintendo too!

>>717452110
>e33 isn't good but ffx isn't really good either
Finally a take I can accept. I do like the visual style of FFX and the story is good enough (when compared to other releases at the time), but the gameplay suck ass compared to previous FF or even Grandia 2 in comparison. Still, I will take this over E33.
>i have no idea why it's the go to for good stories in jrpgs
Vagrant Story, SaGa Frontier 2 (even FF8 to a certain extent) is a good starter really.

>>717452747
1.) That's pedantic as fuck. Dodging and parrying in Dark Souls are still the optimal way to play, all you are saying is that some enemies are set up so that you have to have better dodging timing. So health is still necessary for the vast majority of players
2.) Even if that were a relevant argument, there are enemies in E33 where you have to dodge at specific times because dodging or jumping too late subjects you to a follow up attack while you recover.

>>717453394
>that is why you keep trying to convince an anonymous person
Holy shit you're bad at games and fucking retarded? Nobody is trying to convince you of anything you fucking idiot, my last couple posts have just been laughing at the fact you exposed yourself as a shitter haha

>>717452981
>You didn't played this game, nor did challenge run clearly. Go LV100 1 character only and try to beat the T-REX just after getting Ifrit without doing 400 IQ moves with the gforce summoning, see if you can beat it (good luck, see you next month).
You can beat the entire game from level 1 abusing the junction system after spending an hour or two drawing magic, you absolutely are not going to sit here and pretend that FFVIII is some kind of ultra-deep game when it is widely regarded as the most retardedly easy game to break in the entire fucking series lol

>I never said that, I don't know how you come to that conclusion. I said it again, a game need to share a lot in commons to be considered a spiritual successor, and not some features there and there, I already listed games that were spiritual successor of others (you can add ABZU that is a spiritual successor of JOURNEY).
You did say that. You likened the junction system and triple triad as invalidating E33 as a spiritual successor to JRPGs. There is no game in the FF series either before or after it that has had that system, so why would you liken it to E33 when it is closer to other JRPGs?

The rest of your post is just subjective nonsense where you just don't like how E33 looks when it's widely regarded as a visual spectacle much as its spiritual predecessors. There is no accounting for (your shit) taste, I suppose.

>>717453058
Good morning sar! Which concession are you accepting? *head shake*

>>717453579
>haha this guy is so bad at this game, he didn't play it perfectly like I DEFINITELY did
it's okay anon, I'm just glad you got attention for the day

>>717453776
>that FFVIII is some kind of ultra-deep game when it is widely regarded as the most retardedly easy game to break in the entire fucking series lol
See, you didn't played the game. Here for you, you will never ever start the game for the first time ever and do all those junctions perfectly, I can guarantee you. Unless you spoil everything yourself and follow a meta guide scrupulously, it will take a lot of trials and errors to get a good result, and this is why this junction system is so good, it create a tons of replayability (which is linked with the message of the story btw), and thus, you will need to replay again and again to optimize and test many possible solution. Something that doesn't work with E33 since the emphasis here is on the motor skill of the player more than the build exploration really.
So yes, the junction system is deep, easy to break only when you have a shit tons of experience with the game (which is totally fine), it also allow those challenge runs, where the game difficulty can reach an absolute hell with some specific junction/XP combo.

>>717453776
>You did say that
Proves it, because I never said what you said. You are mixing 2 sentences together:
1) that was saying that E33 "isn't the spiritual successor of those games." (THOSE GAMES)
and
2) I explained what FF8 (only FF8 because I won't talk about all the games in that list obliviously) did have and how E33 doesn't have it, which is not the lack of junctions, but how the gameplay of E33 (parry system) take over the stats and build of your character, aka, the RPG part (that is on every other games of that list).
I could have talked about FF9, FFX or anything here, I only chosen FF8 because the director of E33 supposedly liked a lot this game and wanted to take inspiration from it, that's it.

>you just don't like how E33 looks
You never once showed a picture of E33, you are the one being subjective, I compared and explained why it look bad. The bad UI, the color palette...

Expedition 33 either not explaining or invalidating its lore because "HURR DURR IT WAS ALL A PAINTING" really pisses me off. Those logs for the past expeditions are basically pointless. Gustave is pointless. And if that was the devs' point because they wanted you to focus on the character drama, Alicia was on the way to overcoming her grief and accepting her disability and the Verso shit seems tacked on for drama points. FFX never invalidates any of its lore like that

>>717453812
shhh pajeet, the adults are talking

>>717455027
>See, you didn't played the game
Not only did I play the game, I played the game on the day of release September 9th 1999 and did not play any other game until I completed it. And yes, as a 10-year-old I did not break the junction system my first time playing it. That doesn't change that the junction system is deeply flawed and any person even mildly autistic enough to tinker with it will break the game well before the first disc is finished.

>Proves it, because I never said what you said. You are mixing 2 sentences together:
1.) Spiritual successors aren't going to have the exact same mechanics. No one is saying E33 is the spiritual successor to every JRPG ever release, just that the gameplay is distinctly JRPG-centric.
2.) Now who hasn't played the game? Your stats are distinctly meaningful in the game. Most players are going to get hit tons of times throughout the game, stats are absolutely necessary and if you switch weapons and/or change build you will instantly see a change in battle.

>You never once showed a picture of E33,
Becauise it's subjective and I know that no matter WHAT I post you will say it looks like shit. Because it's just your opinion

>>717455115
Did you tasted the adults sar?

>>717455074

>>717455074
Dude the logs for the game were fucking lame and cool at the same time, they had some cool shit in the creative ways previous expeditions tried to survive. But they were bullshit because they were all shitty short voice logs. I wish they were like those memories from Lost Odyssey, it would have been made the game more impactful to see all these generations of people getting fucked around with by the painters. But yeah the painted world revelation annoyed me as well, I don't tend to like the "it was all a dream" stories

>>717455473
>That doesn't change that the junction system is deeply flawed
It's not, it's made in a way to allow the player to explore, test and being rewarded for it, it's like doing a setup for a racing car, when you find THE setup, you will be the fastest and beat all the other cars, that's fine, that's the purpose of the "power fantasy build", where you can almost become god if you go the extra mile.
>even mildly autistic enough to tinker with it will break the game well before the first disc is finished
Not really, many options and possibility can be skipped and a lot of things are permanent, you will never realize how much those mobs are scaling to your level until you reach a certain levels, and it will already be too late, add to that the quest/triple triad NPC miss etc... Yes, you can be super strong in our first playthrough, but no, you won't break it to the point of no return like those meta builds, and yes, I played it too when it was released.

>Spiritual successors aren't going to have the exact same mechanics
No, but it need to match at least a good amount from the game they are supposed to be a successor. No mainline title FF games have a 100% parry/dodge mechanic type of gameplay nor do they have this art style or these types of minigames. I already told you what is a spiritual successor: FAR CRY -> CRYSIS

>stats are absolutely necessary
That debate again.... we have this type of debate every fucking day with those souls games... Point is, dodge/parry trumps anything, so while yes, stats still exist and still have somewhat an impact (of course), they are not necessary outside of the typical "get the bare minimum to inflict damage", that's it. Any good players that will take this game seriously will focus on the dodge/parry first and foremost, exactly like a Souls invader player will focus on dodge/parry over just perfect meta build (unless a shitter). Stats are just secondary and not the main focus point of the gameplay here.

>>717455473
>Becauise it's subjective and I know that no matter WHAT I post you will say it looks like shit. Because it's just your opinion
We can differentiate subjectivity and objectivity, if not, nobody would be able to compare movies, musics, games etc..

It's artistically poor, the previous picture I shared showed bad UI (bad readability, the white outline make the text and some inventory difficult to read), the desaturated colors, the high exposure, the low amount of variation in the color palette (remember the piss filter from the PS3/X360 era?), the mobs that all share the same "style" and never really surprise you visually (compare this to pic rel), the bad animation/models for the character that look super cheap (which really hurt those dialogue scene), there is a reason why I call them DAZ 3D models, because I was using that software back then in early 2000 when learning how to model and animate lol
All in all, it's very poor/cheap visually (both in style and technically) and most games (even the trashiest AAA slop like ANTHEM) still outperform it visually. Indies game like JOURNEY/ABZU literally wipe the floor here.

>>717456560
>that's the purpose of the "power fantasy build", where you can almost become god if you go the extra mile.
But you don't have go to the extra mile. Anyone that tinkered extensively with the junction system --and especially used Card-- would have broken it very early in the game.

>Not really, many options and possibility can be skipped and a lot of things are permanent...
It doesn't matter if they scale to your level, and in fact that was a major point against FFVIII that continues to be a pain point for newcomers, as it eschews standard JRPG doctrine in which you can simply outlevel your opponent.

>No, but it need to match at least a good amount from the game they are supposed to be a successor. No mainline title FF games have a 100% parry/dodge mechanic type of gameplay nor do they have this art style or these types of minigames
It does have a good amount from the games it is copying. No mainline FF games have elevation mechanics but no one is going to say that FF Tactics is not a JRPG because it does.

>dodge/parry trumps anything, so while yes, stats still exist and still have somewhat an impact (of course), they are not necessary outside of the typical "get the bare minimum to inflict damage", that's it.
In the same sense that HP is only necessary in any standard JRPG to the extent that you don't die before the battle is over, sure. Dodging doesn't invalidate hte need for defense anymore than HP obviates DEF as a stat lol

>We can differentiate subjectivity and objectivity, if not, nobody would be able to compare movies, musics, games etc..
Nothing about your personal evaluation of FFX looking better than E33 means absolutely anything, it's 100% subjective. I think E33 is quite well done in art and graphics and so do most people. It's completely opinion based, I'm not going to bother debating something that is purely a matter of taste. Especially with someone that I think has pretty shitty tastes.

>>717457446
>Anyone that tinkered extensively with the junction system --and especially used Card-- would have broken it very early in the game
No, even if you focus only on that, you will miss a lot, there is too many choices on the GF skill learning list to know which one matter the most right away (some can even have bad outcome, like the turbo), and most people won't understand how big the card system can be tied with the battle system/junction until later on. You could take the most autistic J-RPG fan and make them play this game for the first time and I can guarantee you that they will miss a lot, doesn't mean they will struggle with the game, but for sure, will not be breaking things right away.

>It doesn't matter if they scale to your level
It is, if you level up faster than your junction, you will get a nasty surprise, and like you said, that was what most people did, hence why the complain about how the junction is "broken" by default is false, it's "broken" only in very knowledgeable hands only. All in all, it's a good system.

>FF Tactics is not a JRPG because it does.
I never said that, though, FFTactics is a......Tactic-RPG, like Pokemon is a Summon-RPG.
As for the copying, it copy too many things, so...

>Dodging doesn't invalidate hte need for defense anymore than HP obviates DEF as a stat lol
I don't know about that, many games HP and DEF can work together, dodging/parrying doesn't work with HP, they surpass it, they literally matter only if you fail.

>>717426537 (OP)
I don't it's ugly as shit.

>>717457104
Is that AI generated slop monster supposed to be impressive?

>>717458409
>No, even if you focus only on that, you will miss a lot, there is too many choices on the GF skill learning list to know which one matter the most right away (some can even have bad outcome, like the turbo), and most people won't understand how big the card system can be tied with the battle system/junction until later on. You could take the most autistic J-RPG fan and make them play this game for the first time and I can guarantee you that they will miss a lot, doesn't mean they will struggle with the game, but for sure, will not be breaking things right away.
I was a retarded 10-year-old and even I learned to use the Card system early. A grown adult with triple-digit IQ would break the game if they spent any time working through the mechanics at all, once they notice that certain magics junction well on different stats it would be a matter of time before they're one-shotting everything until halfway through the game.

>it's "broken" only in very knowledgeable hands only. All in all, it's a good system.
It's a frustrating system that is complained about by the community more than any other in the series minus FFII's abortive attempt to eschew levels altogether. It's my second favorite in the series but come the fuck on dude, most people hate the junction system.

>I never said that, though, FFTactics is a......Tactic-RPG, like Pokemon is a Summon-RPG.
But it is still a Tactics *J*RPG. Meaning it has many of the standard JRPG mechanics. Which E33 has as well. Hell the game has a fuckin Blue Mage, you can tell the people that made this game fucking love FF

>I don't know about that, many games HP and DEF can work together, dodging/parrying doesn't work with HP, they surpass it, they literally matter only if you fail.
You are going to fail multiple times. That is just the nature of this game, you are not going to dodge everything.

>>717458747
Compared to E33 mobs list? yes.
>>717458805
>I learned to use the Card system early
learning how to use it is one thing, knowing how strong it could be if you beat a certain amount of NPC at different stage of the game progression before they disapear is another thing, let alone beating them on real hardware with no savestate with some of those stupidly bs rules.

>once they notice that certain magics junction well on different stats
not if they would have out leveled their XP compared to their junctions, something most people would have done at this time.

>but come the fuck on dude, most people hate the junction system.
Most "FF" fan hate it, be more precise. Because actual true J-RPG fans loves it, go ask any SaGa enjoyer what they think about FF8.

>you can tell the people that made this game fucking love FF
I never said they didn't like it (I even said the director of the game is fan of FF8), but then again, it's not a spiritual successor, in fact, it's closer to a Persona/Shadow Hearts more than anything, and even then, it's a reach, the game take too many inspiration everywhere.

>That is just the nature of this game, you are not going to dodge everything.
Of course, like most dodge/parry souls abuser will fail a lot, still, it's the most optimized/meta way to play the game, so they will play like this instead of using anything else.

>>717426537 (OP)
Nobody actually likes this game, they pretend to like it to spite Square Enix. That's literally it.

>>717427454
But E33 is JRPG stereotypes: the game

>>717438071
Stop consuming media made for teenagers

>>717436410
>the MCs are almost always androgynous twinks
In the case of atlus its either that or clown characters like pic related. It just keeps getting worse over time.

>>717459395
>Most "FF" fan hate it, be more precise. Because actual true J-RPG fans loves it, go ask any SaGa enjoyer what they think about FF8.
This is a no true Scotsman though, FF fans are JRPG fans, they just like the more accessible games in most cases. SaGa fans are next level dude, they deal with some of the best and worst in the genre. Unlimited SaGa was fuckin painful for me

>I never said they didn't like it (I even said the director of the game is fan of FF8), but then again, it's not a spiritual successor, in fact, it's closer to a Persona/Shadow Hearts more than anything, and even then, it's a reach, the game take too many inspiration everywhere.
Yeah, but Persona and Shadow Hearts are JRPGs. Also that reminds me I need to play Shadow Hearts again, I haven't played it in like a decade now.

IDK dude, you seem pretty cool so I don't wanna split hairs over all this

>>717436410
>>717459983
You want a based char? Play Grandia 2

>>717459842
>stop playing video games altogether
Way ahead of you.

>>717460329
Speak of the devil I just ordered grandia hd collection.

>>717436410
I got like 15-20 hours into the story and it's still pretty fucking bland. I one hundred percent agree on the protag for this game, I legit could not fucking stand how gay he looks. And even his fucking voice actor in English has a gay lisp lmao. It's unbearable.

>>717459983
Soul Hackers 2 was a mistake.

>>717460265
>FF fans are JRPG fans
I wouldn't say that, knowing that a lot of them only play FF and nothing more, to a certain point, FF is the COD of the J-RPG (unfortunately, I wish they would have continued with the game mechanic exploration like FF8). Unlimited SaGa is an excellent game (one my top 3).

>IDK dude, you seem pretty cool so I don't wanna split hairs over all this
It's all fine, for once on /v/, we did have a meaningful vidya discussion, quite rare nowadays.

>>717459395
A mime beats that shitty monster

>>717460420
ohhh nice! enjoy one of the greatest battle system ever made (too bad it's a bit too easy, I wish a "super hard" version would exist)

>>717426537 (OP)
Its was fun when everything else was not so fun.
Ash shrimple as that.

>>717460681
one of the rare original mob, I will get you that

>>717460490
nu atlas is cancer, we had a good run at least.
>>717460713
>I wish a "super hard" version would exist
I'm gonna play the vanilla games regardless but out of curiosity I googled to see if anyone made a hard mode hack and found this.
>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/157376-grandia-ii-anniversary-edition/78403637
Obviously I know nothing of the game not having played it yet so I have no idea if thats worthwhile or anything about the anniversary version specifically for that matter. Figured I'd share it regardless.

>>717461329
Oh I know some mods like that exist, but the problem is mostly on the AI side/list of attacks they have. Changing the HP/damage is just a bandaid, it require a stronger AI that can try to interrupt you or calculate your move, something nobody other than the devs themselves could change now.

>>717460329
Yeah fine but I mentioned modern stuff specifically.

>>717426537 (OP)
Looks good, reads good, plays good, sounds good. What else do you need?

>>717426537 (OP)
I don't regret playing it all through but I am with you am of the same opinión

Also at the end, it was ironic, like, stop painting please little beautiful child, stop it! I felt relief

>>717426537 (OP)
It is normalfag's first melodramatic jrpg but it doesn't look Japanese so that's why they gave it a shot to begin with

>>717429462
>>717435306
>>717435525
It's literally anti anime artstyle western fags, thats the only reason why E33 is selling more
>>717429546
All of those games are based and BG3 has a lot of woke shit but theres no denying that it actually set a new standard for gameplay freedom and quality, E33 doesnt do anything new it's just overrated by normies who have never played a real JRPG before, E33 isnt a bad game though just overrated

Expedition 33 is to JRPGs what RWBY is to anime; an imitation that doesn't understand the tropes it's copying or what makes them work.

>>717462754
Did you take a picture of your screen explicitly to trigger me Pedro? Because it worked.

>>717464179
I actually liked him doing it, I read it in a latin lover voice with a flamenco guitar. It made me hate Verso even more

>>717464064
holy shit this is actually a perfect comparison

>>717426537 (OP)
>nice music
i must be an outlier because the music i've heard is fucking bog standard boring as all hell

>>717426576
I wouldn't be surprised if it's discordfags. It's their sad life's mission to shit on any acclaimed game as much as possible, especially if it's popular and liked by /v/.
Inb4 boohoo you can't criticize a game? Must be a fanboy. It's always the same shit.

>>717427791
I complain about the story because it undercuts it's own message every few steps of the way and a lot of moments(the ending choices especially) felt really forced and unnatural.
Oh and the dialogue is downright awful crap that gets carried by amazing voice acting talent.
Cool game though, 9/10 for everything that isn't the story.

>>717459842
Japan does not make seinen games anymore. It's literally 100% shonen.

>>717464940
this, the music is meh, any random games clears it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpF7jZ0znKo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEO1kySoz_c

>>717436227
Doge is there to learn the parry timings due to having a more forgiving window. Everything else is flavor to give game depth.

If you're aiming to be autism expert you are going to want to learn to parry everything and have a plan when Simon shits on it.

>>717464940
>>717465730
Filtered by vocals

>>717465890
literally put a vocal song in my post (that is far better than anything in E33)

>>717466173
It's slop and the views confirm that fact

>>717466225
>the views
retard detected

>>717455074
>it was all pointless
I like how this game makes retards out themselves proudly.

>>717426537 (OP)
>Wait - why is that you guys like this game?
"/v/" doesn't like this game, its a few dedicated shitposters that have been shilling this shit for the lolz

>>717466375
>No argument

It's pathetic how much hater are grasping at anything they can to shit on the game.

With such standard, no game released in the last 10 years is even average.

>>717466558
yes, no argument to give when I say that I took random games that are barely known by anybody that still end up having a better OST than E33, if you want I can pick some another OST that will atomize any E33 video in term of viewcount: (enjoy your 14M views)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V9zxXN1rx0
Still a retarded metric to go by, as if higher views = better song kek

>>717466808
They don't play games. They only shit on games they never played all day every day. You can fucking bet your ass that they coordinate this shit to a certain degree and E33 is just the latest target.

>>717466878
>stealth fromslopper reveals his slopeating nature
Thanks for kneeling

>>717450198
Honestly the way everyone jumps on Gustave and Verso's dick is more akin to a harem anime

>>717455074
>>717455751
I agree and I seem to be in the minority that actually likes the "it was just a dream" trope.
My main problem being that they really failed to commit to it and then give us the illusion of choice between a really generic good ending/bad ending set up.
I might have actually enjoyed the "it's just a painting" aspect if they doubled down on the Verso ending and the meaning behind it but they half assed it and the whole experience suffers for it.

>>717465730
>Random ass jrpg ost
We've heard 100 variation of those kind of ost, it's not better, it's not original.
Also ost in game isn't just the musics, but how it match with the gameplay or the cutscene. Something E33 does extremely well too.

>>717464179
Lol yes I did^^

>>717467148
yeah i was thinking e33 would be better if it was just a WEG

>>717466994
>They don't play games.
Which franchise use the term LP? Let's see if you play a lot of games here.
>>717467113
>post a FROM music, get called fromslopper
nice argumentation right there

>>717466994
>they coordinate this shit to a certain degree
kek motherfucker thinks there's some conspiracy fans of this shit are actually delusional haha

>>717467520
The only conspiracy here comes from the E33 hater that made up some retarded china/trust fund shit about the game. They did the same fucking shit for BG3 too.

>>717467520
Yeah, it truly would be outlandish for a group of losers to sit in a discord bumping and replying to each other and it definitely hasn't happened before on /v/ for other games, right? You would really have to be a no life fucking waste of space to do such a retarded thing, right?

>>717467763
It did happen once but Dragon's dogma 2 100% deserved it, it's my biggest purchasing regret

>>717467763
>You would really have to be a no life fucking waste of space to do such a retarded thing
you'd have to be a no life waste of space to even know about that shit lol

>>717467168
>We've heard 100 variation of those kind of ost, it's not better, it's not original.
Because you think E33 is "better" or "original"? holy fuck man, it's absolute shit.
>Also ost in game isn't just the musics, but how it match with the gameplay or the cutscene
And? you think they don't in what I post?
https://youtu.be/GeyHMAj3F70?t=212
https://youtu.be/XyBensMp_MA?t=5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFQRJHh3VNc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYINhRZuaec
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghT3V4eCiGc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzojE4y1iqk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZGbbaojW4o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNvWC_lTP38
get some taste

>>717468168
>holy fuck man, it's absolute shit.
How can you faggots be so disingenuous.
We all know your kind would be salivating and shilling if this track was used for a generic fromsoft boss
https://youtu.be/SuPh-KSoFUU?list=RDSuPh-KSoFUU&t=34

>>717468319
LMAO nah I wouldn't but from's osts aren't anything to write home about either.
e33's soundtrack is alright, only one song i'd listen to outside of gameplay

>>717467865
>once
The DD raids just were the most leaked one.
But if you agree that it happened once, why the fuck wouldn't they do it again and again? They are mentally ill enough to get some sort of pleasure from it, so why the fuck would they
stop?
>>717468014
It becomes very obvious if you followed discussion from the beginning and have some basic shitposting recognition.

>>717466808
From what I've learned they don't play anything other than obscure (heh) japanese titles nobody has ever heard of.

when you task a multimillion dollar company with making a dark souls final fantasy vs when some guy in his basement does it. fucking crazy man.

metaphorical philosophy slop

>>717464940
>>717468168
band anon here, the music is really good.

Any kind of criticism about E33 that is basically
>well huh it's actually not that great
>it's just average
>any jrpg in the last 15 years is pretty much better
>*insert random not super known jrpg, or old classic jrpg* is way better
>people like it because it's casual jrpg

Are basically the most disingenuous faggots on this board.
There's a lot of criticism that I can understand for the game (balancing (act2/3) or the impact of the parry system on the jrpg part of the game for example), but those criticism are fucking pathetic.
The problem isn't that you think that E33 is bad, the problem is that it's good AND popular, and your goal isn't to express criticism, it's to show how elite you are because you don't like the popular thing.

Exhibit A >>717468168
Even a fucking deaf person would admit E33 ost is good. But nooo, can't have the same opinion as everyone else, gotta show how cool and elite I am by shitting on it. Notice how literally all of those are 15 years old at least or more.
How about something released in the last 5 years then faggot ? if it's so fucking shit, you should have hundreds example available. I'm not even saying E33 is the best OST we've got in the last 5 years, but saying it's shit is just wrong.

The game looks quite nice because of the art direction, but it seemed to have a lot of graphical glitches. Weird artifacts around hair and shadows, flickering and shimmering in some spots. I thought it was just me at first, but then I watched a few people stream it and it had all the same graphical glitches.

>>717468590
actual recording artist that has made millions from music anon here, the music is really bad

>>717468658
Hans zimmer here, it's God tier, you're probably some mumble rapper subhuman

>>717468658
>actual recording artist that has made millions
rebecca black?

>>717468640
Anon speaks too much truth.

>>717468640
>I can understand a lot of criticism, like how the combat system for the majority of the game is bad, but those criticisms are fucking pathetic
I kneel

>>717468769
you're gonna get hans zimmer cancelled anon

I cheesed Simon with 1 hit in story mode. easy game :)

>>717426537 (OP)
Turn based with action commands is the peak of video game combat

>>717468970
Cancelled for supporting a racist developer?
>>717434949
That is fucking based

>>717468640
>mfw I can analyze the psychology of others over the internet and deduce exactly what their intentions are based on a few shitposts and instead of just accepting others have differing subjective opinions they are deliberately lying because this game is an objectively 10/10 masterpiece defining moment of human fiction and anyone who disputes that is disconnected from the collective conscious and should be shunned
the French millionaires arent going to let you hit bro, and they aren't putting you on the payroll either

>>717469076
You're trying too hard, faggot

>>717469076
The trannies aren't gonna let you join their discord for dunking on the chud game either >>717434949

>>717468928
>combat system bad
I know its no Fortnite but Zoom Zoom there are other games.

>>717468640
you're fucking lying through your teeth, there is tons of real critical breakdowns of why certain things like the plot and characters have issues, but you people won't accept it. quite literally the only argument against genuine criticism is
>didnt play it
>brown
>that peter griffin skin chart
>racism
>more racism
>uh no actually shutup hahah

>>717469180
dude check twitter, trannies have been raving about e33...

>>717469329
I love how it makes you contrarians seethe so much that Expedition33 Chads do not take you derailers seriously

>>717469360
In a good way or a bad way?
Honestly this game could go either way with that.

>>717468319
I mean cmon, really? you find that good? look how the mixing is so bad and the melody have no story. Hamauzu does way better in that style, as Ito, Kanno and Mizoguchi too.

Here something with a good mixing, with a good melody progression:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fc7evTrULxk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5BDVTKDuyw

https://youtu.be/CdgfEc0gyfY?t=117

https://youtu.be/pb4SYzkY8Kc?t=155

Those are actual good song, not that slop you posted really.

>Even a fucking deaf person would admit E33 ost is good
It's not, and compared to you motherfuckers, I actually posted a shit tons of OST from different games, I actually listen to a lot of various games, and not coming here with my mouth screaming "ITS SO GOOOOOOOD" without any evidence. You guys don't play games, doesn't know most of the games that I post, so gtfo with your "everyone should like it".

>>717468928
I obviously mean the ones above, not the criticism i say that I can understand

>>717469076
No one said anything about the game being 10/10.
>the French millionaires arent going to let you hit bro, and they aren't putting you on the payroll either
Would say the same to you, but at this point I'm just hoping you guys get paid to shit on that particular small game (got better rate than when you did the same for bg3?)

>>717468640
legitimately I think people are just mad they were way too late to tortanic post this game and are SEETHING that people univerally like it.
During the months of Expedition 33 talk literally EVERY DAY you had a shitposter throw a different accusation on the game that went nowhere and they've been trying to repeat the same reused accusations ever since in the hopes that it will stick.
4months later they're literally kicking and stomping their feet like toddlers over people still like the game.

>>717469424
point proven thanks

>>717469450
>orchestra slop and techno jap gibbersh
slop enjoyer over here

>>717469450
Once again, 15+ years old ost.
Also providing good ost from the past does literally nothing to help your argument on how E33 ost is bad.
> You guys don't play games, doesn't know most of the games that I post, so gtfo with your "everyone should like it".
You're the one making an objective statement "the ost is shit". If you said "I don't like the ost", then it would be fine, but that's not what you're doing.

>>717469562
>orchestra slop and techno jap gibbersh
>first song have no orchestra nor techno

>>717469554
Homeless people flinging their shit at you deserve to get ignored, you're not getting the time of day from actual humans

>>717468590
Nobuo Uematsu here, I have just announced the E33 OST is the greatest soundtrack of all time

>>717469546
That's all it is.
First it was chinese funding
Then trust fund nepobaby shit
Then the game is actually woke because there's some black people in the prologue.
Then it's reddit writter
Then it's small studio paid more than any studio in existence for paid shills to spam /v/ (works in tandem with point A and B to explain the funding)
etc...

>>717428170
>The only boss that invalidates shield builds
>shield builds
He's speaking in general terms, and you're bringing up shield builds? Alright, so what if you DON'T use shield builds?

>>717469450
Am i crazy or is the 2nd ost you shared here is plagiarized from castlevania sotn first level?

>>717470214
then build Sciel or Lune or Monoco for healing

>>717426576
>nonono dont bash my visual novel

>>717468168
>>717468640
i mean, people can like what they want, that's not what i'm arguing. i just feel like the music is genuinely boring. seen this track get posted a few times with people saying they love it but to me it sounds like fucking awful royalty free music, like something you'd hear in youtube's shitty creative commons music library or something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjiyzoII06I

>>717470127
Now, the cope is that the game and it's fans are racist kek >>717469329

>>717470368
You have shit taste, it's been declared already.

>>717470368
haven't heard that one before

>>717470406
but you are...

>>717470368
>a few times
>2 hits on the archive
I'm not the biggest fan either, but I think it's supposed to be sound more reminiscent of pop music given the silliness.

>>717469675
>Also providing good ost from the past does literally nothing to help your argument on how E33 ost is bad.
I mean, I can post from recent games if you want, here, released recently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IehoWuH20dg
>You're the one making an objective statement "the ost is shit"
Because the OST is objectively shit, like I compared for many post already, many games (even the most obscure one that nobody heard) have better OST, here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUqiN6y9MaY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN2MAKBPi3w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkxMWIdglQk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVV1S4dQo6w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfRjpercJ6g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOLYjSJSz1U

I could go on and on and on, all of them actually rocks in their genre, while E33 doesn't. It's not hate, if the music was good while the game isn't, I would just say it, like anthem is shit, yet, the soundtrack is good, that's it.

>>717470854
>pulling ost from a random donald duck game
Very good bait, i hope the other posters catch up too

>>717470854
that Wuchang song is so painfully generic, holy fuck they are not sending their best

>>717470225
It doesn't sound the same at all
>>717470368
it's the argument that I use often to describe E33 OST "unprofessional", it's not bad to a point where it kills your ears, but it's clearly amateur hours on a lot of things (mixing, melody path, choice of some instruments etc...) Nitin Sawhney with less budget made a way better harmonious and creative OST with Enslaved Odyssey to West (Ninja Theory with a very low budget, A), and this, while having the recording in low quality (a shame), so there is no excuses to how bad this OST did become.
>>717471025
>random donald duck game
Motherfucker doesn't know MAUI MALLARD, a game with an OST composed by MICHAEL GIACCHINO, holy fuck you guys doesn't play games here.
>>717471262
Actually, the album version of this song is "a bit more generic" with the guitar element added, the song was better in the trailer, it's still far better than the slop from E33, at least, there is a real melody here.

>>717471460
Nigger

>>717471762
welcome to the club my fellow nwah

>>717471460
what the hell is this nonsense that E33 songs don't have a melody, do you have ears? Are they broken somehow?

>>717471863
Every song have a melody, as every constant noise too. It's what you do with that melody (the path) that matter, you have some catchy melody, or sometime, complex one, but in the end, it's the progression of that melody that produce the beauty of the song, a path or story, call it like you want.
Good composer can make a good melody that you recognize and like, bad or inexperienced composer will create a melody that goes into limbo, making it sound like a bunch of noises sticking together instead of an harmonious mix.
It's really not that complicated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbGCq52u1Sg

A song like this, doesn't require much effort to understand or follow what the melody want to convey, it's concise, the composer have an idea, a message, and the melody show it, when a composer doesn't know or lack of inspiration, you get a muddy melody that goes nowhere, either bad instruments, mixing or simply no harmony at all.

>>717472413
>bad or inexperienced composer will create a melody that goes into limbo, making it sound like a bunch of noises sticking together instead of an harmonious mix.
Ok but that doesn't describe E33 music in the slightest

>>717472413
you have never played an instrument or sang into a microphone in your entire life. You do no understand music. I do. I have sung hymns and played guitar in front of an audience of thousands of people. I rang the church bells with my fucking dick. But you? Trying to lecture me about music?

What people like about music is the way it makes them feel. Does your music make people feel anything? Good or bad, it doesn't matter, only that they FEEL it.

For me it's literally just the voice-acting.

I tried to play Persona 5 and the grey-haired girl in the interrogation-room "liTerAlLy TalKEd LiKe tHIs".

I have no idea what the voice directors are thinking thinking during he localization of jrpgs.

>>717472629
https://youtu.be/ci8dIpNcyEY?si=bGY5xW-UMr23Gaz_

>>717472494
It is, that's what I'm trying to show with countless post already, by posting many tracks that literally have a way better melody and harmonious mixing.
>>717472564
Oh! You know me? Hello my friend! Did we go to school together?
Joke aside, yes, I never sang into a microphone, but, I did make some tracks for a game project I was working longggggg time ago (back in 2008) with Storm 3.0. (HDD died, so all things were lost). So yes, I know do know how to make a "music track" for a game.

>What people like about music is the way it makes them feel. Does your music make people feel anything? Good or bad, it doesn't matter, only that they FEEL it.
That's just the most casual way to explain it. The FEEL you are talking about is how you build the melody, go take a look at those working on marketing and how they work to create the next "catchy song" for commercials, and you realize that there is more than just FEELING and SOULS.

>>717472937
you're just posting tracks, you're not actually explaining with anything resembling music theory what makes your tracks "good melodies" and the E33 tracks "bad melodies." You are presenting examples into a void, with no justification other than gish gallop.

>>717473054
Because nobody asked nor anyone seems interested by it?
If you think I will catch the attention of those kids with a 2000 char paragraph about how to make music then I'm sorry but you need to lurk more.
I will have more success by posting multiple tracks from multiple game OST to elevate their taste and thus, make them recognize the slop from the masterpiece more easily than outright deconstructing how some of the track in E33 are shit.
Not only that, an imageboard isn't really practical for this kind of things in the first place.

>>717473336
I can you right now, what you're doing isn't working and is never going to work.

>>717473448
tomorrow then, it's been 7hours already >>717443402

>>717473645
what a sad existence you must lead

>>717473702
it's called summer time, you know, when people take vacation

>>717472629
>play Japanese game in English
>voices are awful
Stop being a retard and learn to read. English dubs of Japanese games are never, ever going to be good, or even acceptable, because the target audience of dubs are either too stupid to care if it sounds like shit, or the most consummate shit-eaters on earth.

>>717473768
>spending your vacation poorly arguing that the soundtrack everyone else likes is bad, actually
as I said

>>717473805
there was one Japanese game where the English dub was good, and they fucked it up beyond all recovery
https://youtu.be/PyHVuxeKu48?si=VnNfpNf_xpxaPEIE

>>717473887
everyone has their hobby, mine is shitposting

>>717474415
see >>717473702

>>717474506
don't act like we are different you and me, we are in the same shithole, for the better or the worst

>>717474640
I actually did some reasonably productive things today and also played a video game. I didn't spend 7 hours being a contrarian.

>>717474702
As if I didn't do shit today, you know that a day last for 24hours, right?

>>717474913
You've been sat here in this one thread for seven hours, and probably other threads for even longer, you didn't do shit today.

>>717426537 (OP)
> "And the combat is inherently flawed - on hard mode you just get 1 shot by everything so strategy in fights becomes completely pointless. You have to dodge everything anyway"

Genuine skill issue, I will never care about anyone's opinion on a game if they aren't better than me