Why did you stop playing XIV?
>>717428148 (OP)because forced tranny generals belong in /vmg/
>>717428148 (OP)can someone explain to me how a patch launch day have less player than a 7.25 launch date? https://steamcharts.com/app/39210
did so many people quit?
Too many goddamn buttons for everything.
>>717428148 (OP)Hiroi slop is that bad. Alliance hahah im an evil mamool jew wizard villian is more refreshing. All of tural was shit.
negative threads don't actually work for interest
quit courting shitposters OP
>>717428148 (OP)they gutted healers to where 75% of your rotation is literally 1 button over and over. game got way too dumbed down.
>>717428148 (OP)Needs a tit mole
Alphi plapp plapp boypregnant YES!
well, at least its out now and we can move on
>>717429430>gutted healers>75% of your rotation*gutted Scholar
>>717429430Healers have been dumbed down for years since they removed accuracy to make the game palatable for most dipshits in like stormblood.
>>717428148 (OP)https://youtube.com/shorts/50tWC6EShXQ?feature=shared
>>717429246Not only that, but word got around that the patch is shit and basically everything we did in the past doesn't really matter anymore the Ascians and primal summonings are back, the reflections are in danger again, the Scions will officially support the introduction of Alexandria to the other nations even though they were adamant about being dismantled, and Sphene, one of the few good things of the expansion, is forever stuck in Alexandria instead of becoming Dagger like it had been hinted at in the previous patch
>speener banished to cuckshed
>wuk now a permanent scion
grim
Patch was good.
Even if Sphene not becoming a Scion was gay.
I didn't
I resubbed last month
Not playing DT though I just made a new character
>>717428148 (OP)game is ass if you know what I mean
>>717429738I don't think Speen leaving Alexandria was ever actually in the cards, as soon as they brought up the digital Speen's regulator crown containing her memories
>>717429738Sarah deciding to be the queen of Alexandria despite thinking she wasn't capable was the point of her character though?
so i am curious. as a white mage i did a super glare to blow up the memory bank. what spell animation do other casters use? do melee do a 'blade of light' like previous things or do they go up and smash it themselves?
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>not even in the top 10
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>>717428148 (OP)>Why did you stop playing XIV?Guild Wars 2 is simply better
I got tired of instant death DDR mechanics in instanced fights and required YouTube strategy video watching was a great deterrent for endgame. Quit in Shadowbinger and never looked back
>>717429993Melees actually go up and smash it from the couple of webms I've seen on /vg/
>>717429738>Sphene, one of the few good things of the expansion, is forever stuck in Alexandria instead of becoming Dagger like it had been hinted at in the previous patchThis means the sub numbers are so low, fujokawa is back, she would never allow new female scions
>>717429993All casters do a big like holy ability, but they cast it differently. Red Mage does their usual focus on blade casty thing.
Melee runs in there and jumps at it. There is some difference in how they attack the core. Dragoon spears the core, Dark Knight slices down, Ninjas stab down into it, etc.
Bard charges and shoots a big glowy arrow, and Machinist does the same but with their gun.
>>717429808>"Let me fight the EIKON SLAYER with an EIKON! Surely I will succeed where my mentor's colleagues failed!">another boss based on despair and the fear of death, with some attacks straight up taken from the Endsinger's fight>the sundered Ascians are still working behind the scenes even after the WoL fried their UNSUNDERED higher-ups and their GOD to a crisp>the Scions will get on the political scene again even though they should be disbanded>1 hour of useless cutscenes centered about Geode, a literal who character, and Shale, who was just a minor tech girl in the previous patches>Sphene doesn't join the group>no Melody of Life>no You're Not Alone>no moans of the dead when Necron appearsThe only thing I liked was the lab with the puzzles, the hint about the researcher Eosphor being our shard of the Ninth, and Calyx's panicked face when he was about to be deleted forever.
>>717428148 (OP)I enjoyed the new patch. I don't give a fuck.
>>717429246Casual content brings more players back. Problem is they failed in even making it casual content.
Also if you look most WoW tourists in general left to go play the next fotm WoW killer.
Numbers are comparable to stormblood nature is healing.
>>717429821Wasn't that EA with Dragon Age
>>717428148 (OP)Stopped playing in 6.2 I believe after getting everything to max level and Dawntrail trailer didn't motivate me to come back.
>>717429246Occult Crescent fallout + No ultimate + no content on patch day is my guess
>>717429993https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEUQhJWTJJE
all of them make sense. whats surprising is that dancer goes up and smashes it manually like a melee
>>717429738>instead of becoming Dagger like it had been hinted at in the previous patchit wasn't hinted
zidane isn't a thing on the ninth and her mom died ages ago
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>>717428148 (OP)I finished the heavensward story content and all that was left was grinding for alexander and I realized I don't really like MMOs. FFXIV was the best one I tried, though.
>>717429993https://youtu.be/dEUQhJWTJJE
>>717430332>No ultimateThis wouldn't do diddly for player numbers, raiders are a vocal minority
Arthars sprays chunks of dog from his mouth whenever he bawls for every patch to have an Ultimate
>>717430415is that your channel
>>717430497he really did lol
>>717430392(You) were supposed to be her Zidane, but Kate hates players and deliberately shits up the story to ensure the WoL is never happy. This will hold true for all future expansions.
I would laugh my ass off if Ishikawa took back over for 7.2 and 7.3 because it basically would be "Okay, I'm here to clean up your mess." And proves that people are generally happy with her writing.
>>717430623There's a non-zero chance it is
Straight up everything on it but the thumbnails is AI generated and the way the channel owner talks on Plebbit it's nearly certain they don't play the game they bitch about
Does anyone else actually kinda hate it when a story has an objectively best girl like Y'Shtola in XIV or Robin in One Piece? You get stuck in this shitty position of either being a basic bitch for liking the indisputably top waifu or being a contrarian retard for pretending to like other girls. Shit sucks.
>>717430392Exactly, there was no Zidane telling her she was actually a capable woman nor Brahe apologizing and telling her the people will be happier with her on the throne. She outright says she feels alone, because everything is so different, and the absence of a Queen actually gave way to a new tentative form of government instead of pure chaos. She saw her people could rise from the ashes even without her, and the WoL never told her "You're wrong, you're still their queen, you know what to do" until the very end.
>>717430697i don't think the writing improved that much. its still needlessly verbose. it feels like an editor finally paid attention in 7.x and chopped off some needless stuff. but hiroi's writing's greatest flaw is that he writes like he's getting paid by the word
>>717430472Ultimates are really popular even if it's niche
>>717430829World firsts are a laughing stock, nearly every WF ends with a team using tools, and the raiding community has a crash-out every single time it happens, ESPECIALLY when it's the vaunted and holy Japanese players using tools
>>717428148 (OP)After my Dawntrail release day subscription ran out
I really can't believe they ended the expansion with a "Somehow, the Ascians returned".
>>717430829>Really popular >Nichenigga learn what niche means.
The amount of people who care about ultimates is probably a drop in the bucket but the people who care about them really care about them.
Most people who do though are kinda retarded because they think the entire point of raiding builds up to an ultimate.
>>717431030I was actually curious about this one because it wasn't AthenaAeria oinking about the game but it turns out it's some other retard who thinks "cost" meant "money" and not "manpower"
Good job Square. My character got to do something twice in a cutscene.
Now keep that up.
Next time I want my Dragoon to charge up his dragon goon energy for a big anime attack first.
>>717429738amazing how they just keep copying and pasting the same thing over and over again, even the story, kek
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>>717431123>it's some other retardboy, don't you know it
The game's biggest problem is the American players. I play on Balmung and you can't go through uldah without seeing trannies shout chat shout "gender dystopia" or whatever the fuck and "breaking eggs" and "girl pills". It's so insanely disgusting that it makes me want to either move server or quit the game, but I don't want to lose my large mansion or try to explain to my fc that the filthy psycho trannies are forcing us to move.
But I feel seriously bad for any new player who ends up on Bal and the first thing they see is a troon grooming in shout chat and talking about his "anal menstruation". These people should be removed from the game, all of them. I don't care if it drops the player base to less than 100 people this cancer has got to be cut out.
>>717431215>sour grapes?Is this just another random buzzword from someone who doesn't know what it means. I've cleared every ultimate it doesn't mean the game lives off of ultimate content.
>>717431165>reddit subscribers>reddit active usersLOL
I know that site was bunk, but I didn't know it was that embarrassingly bad
>>717431347It's more sour grapes from Ultimate pigs that deluded themselves into thinking the game's raiding keeps it alive, similar story to every other MMO the Tigole brain-worms have infested
at least wuk lamat is now gone for good right?
>>717431148>My character got to do something twice in a cutscene.Yes, but we're also so terribly slow at reacting holy shit. When Wuk breaks the barrier, we don't rush in. Nope, first we wait for Alisaie to charge her final attack against Necron, and then we remember we have to destroy the memory core. Even when that kid's mother is attacked in the apartment, it's Krile who tells us to hurry and go check on her after hearing the screams. The WoL is basically a dumbass in this expansion.
>>717431446Seems that way.
We got the whole "visit whenever you want!!!!" thing.
>>717431446no, they made him a permanent scion now
>>717430272>"Let me fight the EIKON SLAYER with an EIKON! Surely I will succeed where my mentor's colleagues failed!"His entire plan revolved around the fact that the primal he created was empowered by the fear of death, so that if it was killed by the guy who kills eikons then it would just come back stronger each time.
The reason it was able to be defeated is because Sphene's announcement removed the source of fear he was using to manifest it from the Alexandrians
Besides that Endwalker showed us that the other Sundered Ascians may have had agendas of their own that they can only carry out now that the Unsundered are gone, Fandaniel didn't give a shit about Zodiark other than a means to an end, planning on him being destroyed in the first place, theres no reason other Sundered might be similar
>>717431462True. They need to change that a bit.
>>717431304>play on world known for being the ERP/Second Life world>constantly exposed to ERP/Second Life behavior
>>717431446doomer crash-out over not getting wuk lamat as a permanent fixture is in full force yeah
I love elezen women so much it's unreal
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logging on to do roulette just got boring. and in general there is just no fun content to do in this game outside of battle content
>>717431114What I mean is that a ton of people watch the race, but very few are interested in the actual gameplay
>>717431674That's like playing on Faerie and complaining that there's gays
>Calyx: "I have no heart nor lungs..."
>and yet he sweats like a sinner in church
HIROIII HE'S A ROBOT
>>717431425Most people don't think outside of their social circles so they think everyone plays the game the same way them and their friends do.
People think other people don't enjoy content that keeps getting released like fucking crafting and fishing patches because they shit on it.
Why would they keep releasing unpopular content that no one does? The dissociation among these groups is usually pretty funny to look at because they don't engage with something.
>>717431123>"cost" meant "money" and not "manpower"It always goes back to money
Square is just very cheap
>>717431674The server wasn't known for any of that when I started playing, retard.
I shouldn't have to move because a bunch of trannies move in and ruin the neighbourhood.
>>717431762He's not a robot. He's data.
And yeah that's the point. You gave a digital ghost PTSD.
>>717431762Calyx actually being a volatile spaz with a cool and detached facade kills me, captured Kuja very well
>>717431804Crafter here. They release it so you can feel pressured to statcap yourself before next patch to be able to statcap yourself on launch day, where all the new mats and resources are worth upwards of 20x the value they'll hit within 24 hours. Just another part of the sub pressure.
>>717431738That's why every streamer loves it because it gets them more views.
The content itself doesn't get people to subscribe or play.
>>717431915Balmung has been the roleplay server since 1.0
>>717431961>There's always next tim-->NEXT TIME? WHEN I PUT SO MUCH WORK INTO THIS!?Sasuga XIV my expectations were subverted.
>>717431915It's been known for it since Shadowbringers if not earlier. I don't know, I started years ago a week before EW came out and well after "Don't pick Balmung" was already established. How long have you been stuck in the past?
I can only play the same expansion so many times and the jobs somehow keep getting worse with every patch
>>717432000>They don't even playNever mind, this makes the most sense as to why someone would complain about commonly held knowledge.
>>717432000"Roleplay" is not the same as two men pretending to be women while jacking off.
>>717431978Also crafter here, budget sets are fine and macros work for whatever. Most people who craft on the moon don't even penta their gear. This only really effects people who care about their gil amount in a game where gil doesn't matter or they're just selling it because they live in a 3rd world country in which case they're perma botting anyway since they don't ban bots.
I'm a neet who engages with most of the games systems besides fishing and I find making my own macros for crafting on day 1 fun. It's like mini-factorio.
I'm so glad I unsubbed from this shit 8 months ago
>>717432157Anon, "RP" to a FF fag means going to their house they pay a rental fee on and jorking it.
>>717432000Since 2.0, when people were planning what servers to go to when 1.0 ended (everyone was given a free transfer to apply for in advance).
Balmung didnโt exist in 1.0, nor did any of the servers now. In 1.0 the worlds were named after towns. For example I was on Kashuan, which merged with Trabia to become Hyperion.
>>717428148 (OP)Because other, better games have fully modeled feet
>>717432157>>717432252>it's not roleplay when i don't like itsettle down mastercard employee
People used to call this game the WoW killer
>>717432265So true, I am so happy I unsubbed from this garbage game with no fully modeled feet like 5 months ago to play WuWa
>>717432256Well Balmung us a legacy server
So 1.0 people decided it was the roleplay server before 2.0 released
>>717432302Water is wet, fire is cold and if someone asks you to RP in FF 95% of the time they mean they want to stick their cat girl's cock in your own. Deal with it. I don't make the rules.
>>717432334wow is and always will be the wow killer
>>717432350Yeah. And the roleplaying started in 2.0. RP wasnโt really a thing in 1.0.
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>>717432334People obsessed with killing WoW are losers
This includes devs
>>717432000isnt it more like Second Life 2.0 now?
>>717431109>theyll panic mode and bring back the ascians...etcby golly they did. just fire the whole dt crew
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>>717432405Imagine crying about something everyone already knew.
>>717432256I'm 99% sure Balmung existed in before 2.0
>They brought back ascians
So glad I unsubbed
wait is there already again a auto saged by a janny active?
>>717432475Why are people mad they're following through on Fandaniel just being one of the remaining Convocation Ascians and the others have their own goals
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>>717432469WoW was the EQkiller. You had to be there to truly understand what a "WoWkiller" promises. A "WoWkiller" will be a good thing for all when it comes out much like the EQkiller ushered in a new era and style of MMOs that persist to this day.
>>717428148 (OP)>7.X story was shit>Already burnt out from ToP then I did FRU anyway>Don't want to devote enough time to not fall behind PF prog at the start of a tier>Don't want to commit to a static schedule anymoreFixed my sleep schedule and started lifting again a few months ago instead of playing MMOs because spamming M+ with third worlders and schizos who want to be esports stars is equally miserable. Fucking garbage genre full of garbage people.
>>717432551It was so obvious an Ascian was involved there somewhere. Like painfully obvious.
>Using Zepla to prove a point
LOOOOL
>>717432664>brags about leaving MMOs>didn't leave 4chan
>>717432542I don't remember the 1.0 server names at all, even though I played it lol.
>>717432740So glad I unsubbed from this shit
>>717432695"For some reason" Dumpy gravitates almost exclusively towards streamers and Youtubers, and of those almost exclusively towards the ones that don't play the fucking game
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>>717432551I just want Ascians to stop being the obvious evil MSQ antagonists, I want something new
guys...what do i do. i don't wanna get sissy hypno'd
well this thread is soon archived
>>717432853Nobody else really thinks about these two.
It is actually insane that threads don't talk about Kate or Hiroi at all when there isn't a rage hog oinking about them and spamming GamesRadar and PC Gamer articles.
https://youtu.be/KsZO9SKZlkE
LUL.
>>717432551I agree that the idea is a good one, the problem is the timing. The Ascian saga concluded with EW, which was just the previous expansion. Yoship promised "a new 10 years saga" and claimed he expected DT to be not as popular as ShB and EW exactly because it was the start of a new story, kind of like ARR was, so he knew it would receive just a "tepid" welcoming. They threw all of this out of the window by making the Ascians the big manipulators behind the scenes again: not only they have been influencing Alexandria for centuries (what the hell were Emet, Laha, and Elidibus doing?), but it seemed there are different factions scattered all over (the "Winterer peers") who have been teaching people how to summon primals through concepts (yet again).
Again, the idea is good, but it's way too soon and it reeks of "Quickly, we're losing players, bring back their favorite bad guys!"
>>717432937yeah dumpy is also spam-reporting the thread across fifty ecker tabs whenever the thread just talks around him
i see folder-kun has exhausted all the new content that came out in 11.2 yesterday
>>717432664You do realize the people who made FFXIV miserable come from WoW.
PF didn't used to be an autistic race to clear as fast as possible to be able to go grief reclear parties.
>Other MMO threads: ZzZz
>FFXIV thread:
>>717432740I've been here since 2005, 4chan usage is terminal, I'm afraid.
>>717433048i dont get it why it only happens for xiv threads on /v/
>>717433050how many feet shots
>>717433045Expansions take place over the course of two years and some change, it's the same thing as people bitching about Haurchefant member berries every expansion, which means once or twice every two years
>>717428148 (OP)Because a friend bought me a starter deal wanting me to play, then didn't play with me. Trying to level solo/with randoms was not fun and I didn't give a shit about the story. Mechanically, the game was also not fun or interesting. On top of all that, they expect a monthly sub, fuck that.
>keeping calyx around
guess he really is the kuja. what a bunch of slop. another patch of that stupid fuck maybe 2. not one cum chalice investigated.
>>717433148Did you unsub? I'm glad I did
>>717433127Your friend is a retard
Should have tried the Free Trial
>>717433113mods are WoW shills + we actually do have some kind of autistic rage cabal colluding to spam threads off /v/
Is it just me or is any post that uses "slop" as criticism to be readily dismissed?
7.3 is done. Hiroislop should be over as a new writer takes the chair.
fire him already
>>717433045Was the end of the Zodiark and Hydaelyn saga. Not the Ascians.
There's still sundered Ascians around and YoshiP said before 7.0 released that one thing he wants people to remember is the different Convocation seats and how many Ascians there were.
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>>7174300816/10 games on this list aren't MMOs.
>>717433045>not only they have been influencing Alexandria for centuries (what the hell were Emet, Laha, and Elidibus doing?)They aren't personally involved in every single shard and its goings on, that's a lot of work for three instigators and the three were primarily obsessed with the Source by their own admission
Igeyorhm was the one in charge of the Thirteenth and fucked it up (through little actual fault of her own, they didn't know that would happen) which is why she's Lahabrea's slave
Primals are too useful as a plot device to fully get rid of, they're still dangerous creatures that can do theoretically anything if enough of a specific idea or enough aether is pumped into them, even if tempering is only a temporary worry now
>>717433113FFXIV attracts the most insane types of schizos for some reason. When the game was unpopular in Heavensward you didn't have doom posting or WoW talk really because the game was kind of already in death throes but you did have the same schizos endlessly spamming any discourse for talking with just insane posting like now.
I think it's just anime themed games in general attract the worst types of schizos not even trannies where they run out everyone who isn't as mentally deranged as they are.
>>717428148 (OP)msq has been dogshit since that theater guy took over and localization having an emergency maintenance every patch. theyre awfully managed or not at all.
>>717433334Because that site is really "Reddit's top games"
>>717432542Yeah. The server merges were during 1.0 to combine the populations. What Iโm saying is the decision for Balmung to be the โRPโ server came in preparation for 2.0 launch.
I was on Hyperion but decided to go to Sarg.
>>717433246it's hardly a secret
Calyx probably survived just to be an excuse for the faction of nerds to be informed about what happened.
I wonder if every remaining shard (sans First and Thirteenth) have their own Calyx.
>>717433121I don't get what you mean, you're saying it's fine to have stuff you dislike repeat, if they happen over a long period of time?
>>717433430it took you 30 seconds to switch folders?
>>717429246>endwalker 6.3 release date had 47k concurrent players...ON FUCKING STEAM>47K CONCURRENT PLAYERS>ZERO CONTENT>2023 JANUARY, SO COVID WAS OVER>1 YEAR AFTER THE EXPANSION>STILL HAD FUCKING 47K holy fuck how much damage did dawntrail do?
>>717433478>>717433478more theater slop writing. got it.
>>717433479No I'm saying "they reused it too soon" is insane when expansions play out over real-world years
I am tired of "slop"-slop.
Done with the doompy now with the lorepy dumpy
My foldy
Glad I unsubby!
>>717429738the scions aren't backing alexandria on the world stage, its just alphinaud
>>717433379Can Sundered Ascians cross the rift like the Unsundered and freely move between shards? If not theres no telling how many of them could be waiting around in shards we haven't seen yet without ant sort of guidance now that the big three are dead
>>717433419Fun fact, Gilgamesh was the original RP server because they merged Besaid with Balmung and Balmung was locked so most people went to Gilgamesh as a secondary.
Kinda like how Sarg was the original raiding server but couldn't get new players because it was locked. Gilgamesh just became the melting pot for having the highest pop when cross server raiding wasn't possible.
>>717433537I'm pretty sure "too soon" means storywise
Can someone explain to me how Calyx's endless will be any different from what solution 9 had before we showed up and pulled the plug? Also why did we turn endless memory back on for 30 seconds? I thought they were gonna turn it back on without the people so the zone won't look like shit for the rest of the game's existence, but no.
>>717433602>Can Sundered Ascians cross the rift like the Unsundered and freely move between shards?Yes, but they need to leave their bodies behind.
There are ones we know to be dead. The unsundered, Fandaniel, Loghrif. But there's also some that are definitely still out there.
>>717433201He really thought I'd like it and $5 was nothing to him. This was before the free trial btw. The main things that drove me away were the unskippable story and I just really wasn't up for another questing grind to hit level cap.
>>717433654dawntrail is just a bad story.
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>>717433654but they did turn it back on
I really shouldโve kept a list of WoWโs release dates always falling in the same week as XIV.
>>717433079Doesn't matter if they came from WoW, India, or a Mossad office, they make the game miserable.
what is the purpose of spamming concept book art?
>>717433654Did you like, not look at the zone?
>>717433776its done on purpose. ff14's original release was rushed out to compete directly with cataclysm
>>717433827Feigning on-topic posting as a low level mod action prevention. Also feigning being a good boy and a concerned citizen.
they need to make the next expansion have a new MSQ start point
otherwise this game is just going to die because no one will slop through 1000 hours of MSQ just to catch up
>>717433772>>717433857No, I did not. The cutscene showed it all fading back to off status and I just left lol.
>>717433680I guess that means that theoretically theres "copies" of each Sundered on every shard, I suppose if they can write a non retarded way for them to be activated we won't be running out of ascians any time soon, but I hope that's not the route we take
>>717433948That's true. But I think the Unsundered only raise one Ascian per set back into office at a time. So they wouldn't have 5 Fandaniel shards running out there afaik.
Only if one dies and they need a replacement.
>>717433926thats dawntrail and what the codex was for. who knows if they change it in the future.
>>717433926Story is a big part of the game. To people who like story games, it's not an obstacle, but a boon.
>>717433875I donโt think the OG 1.0 nip team even knew what WoW was.
>>717433926They're not going to do that. The content in the game is the story and they cut out most of the tedious 2.0 shit to try to help people get into it.
If you really wanna skip it you can pay money meant for alts then wonder why you think the game sucks.
>>717434123if that was true then the free trial would last 14 days instead of go on infinitely until you beat a bunch of MSQs
they know that people would never put up with this shit if they had to pay for it and it'll just keep getting worse
>>717433587>Alphinaud: The fact that Alexandria isโor wasโa nation of the Ninth will be the cause of some consternation... It may smooth introductions were the Scions to provide an explanation for its arrival in the Source.
>>717433936It was just the glowing weather fading to the normal world weather. I realized it because I once played around with the Weatherman settings to get that mixture.
>>717433936>>717434293Get baited retard, that stupid mother fucker didn't even bother exploring before making his flawed assumption
>>717434228Did he actually say โScionsโ? Good job Kate on that.
>>717433680The ultra confirmed to be dead ones are
-Elidibus (Crystal Towered)
-Lahabread (Eye'd)
-Loghrif (became Gaia)
-Mitron (Killed during Eden)
-Emet-Selch (Axe'd)
-Fandaniel (Superhell'd by a simp)
-Nabriales (Auracite'd)
-Igeyorhm (Auracite'd)
Ambigious/We ourselves didn't see their death is Emmerololth; Supposedly he got dissolved in the lifestream when Eureka was dunked into it, but maybe he's still alive somewhere, just really fucked up
Gaius has the masks of the following two, but according to a dev WoG somewhere they're not dead
Altima, Deudalaphon
We have literally no idea where they are; they haven't appeared since ARR
Pashtarot, Halmarut
So yeah, that's up to 4, potentially 5 Ascians that are still running about, possibly with their own plans now that they don't have the Unsundered watching them.