this is literally for the lowest possible common denominator
1 IQ
1 button
WoW is literally a 1 button game
what the fuck happened?

if your game needs more than 1 buttons to play, it's shit

>>717432893 (OP)
It's what MMO players want.

wait so now i can just mash one button and it will do optimized rotation with 0.2 delay between spells? sign me up!

>>717432893 (OP)
Sub rates are falling

Which mmo is this?

Your basic dps rotation is 1 button.
You still have around 20 buttons to press for all your cooldowns, utility, CC etc
You you wouldn't know that because you don't even play it anyway and just want to mindlessly scream into the void.

>people who cant outperform a handicapped person with 1 button that has built in lag
who is the real retard here?

>>717433839
>1% of the effort to achieve +75% of the best possible DPS (it's literally better than most players)

really makes me think

>>717432893 (OP)
Sekiro fans are going to be happy

>>717432893 (OP)
How is this any different from a macro?

>addons playing the game for me good
>official settings playing the game for me bad
wowbucks can't cope with the reality they pay for a virtual retirement home all the same

>>717434610
Every game is a virtual retirement home for people too incapable of facing reality. Are you too not taking part in an online daycare where you can scream and vent at nothing?

>>717432893 (OP)
This has literally ALWAYS been the case for WoW and games like it. Its just you had to set it up with third party software. Shit like Razer's keyboard shit has always been able to automate button presses and thats all anyone has ever needed to do to play low IQ games like WoW. Global cooldown rotation spam is literally the easiest "gameply" in any genre. Even shit like candy crush requires some tiny amount of original thought. MMOs are just copying your meta rotation and not standing in red circles.

>>717434942
nah fromslop is far easier, people think spamming jump attack or roll poke makes them god gamers when not a single from boss is as hard as mythic raids

Oh jesus christ this isnt real is it?

>>717435026
>MMO Raids
>Hard
Lmao.
They're only as hard as your most retarded teammate. Which admittedly, for the MMO playerbase can make things pretty difficult lmao. The sum total of all mechanics amount to "don't stand there" "stand there" and "do enough damage in this timeframe". A quick google search prior to doing the raid, admittedly a tall order for some of you, lets you know exactly what you should do, step by step, before going in. There is no thought going on in MMO gameplay. None.

>>717435236
spoken like a true lfr shitter, imagine talking like you know anything about modern raid difficulty

>>717435283
imagine thinking glorified simon says is hard.
I mean, maybe it is for you, but its not for someone with normal intelligence.

>>717435236
>all bosses are just positioning and damage
Did you describe WoW bosses, Elden Ring bosses or every single boss in the history of games? If google invalidates difficulty then is any game actually hard?

>>717435236
Maybe for Classic and older raids. If you played an MMO past 2020 you'd know they started making them difficult since FFXIV made difficult raids popular.

>>717435032
The average WoW player is getting older and arthritier.

>>717435395
>FFXIV
>Any different
Its all the same boring bullshit.
Isn't your playerbase bleeding exactly because they started making things easy enough the ERP players could do it?

they already pruned all the classes around wod/legion, every class is the same, dks barely have runes anymore

>>717435462
lol you don't play games ROFL too shit for facebook mom genres LMFAO

>>717435032
It's more to give people an approved solution to the removal of combat addons for the retards that can't play without them. It's also worse than the addons on top of adding more delay between skills but the people already using that shit don't even do those.
At this point they might as well make combat automatic outside of M+ and Heroic+ raids.

>>717432893 (OP)
best part is the SBA outparses about 60% of the community

Don't call it a grave. This is the future you chose.

>>717435503
>ERP player triggered
Thats all FF14 is good for. ERP with other troons.

>>717435462
Opposite, they released the hardest raid tier yet so all the ERP faggots are leaving because the story is also the worst it's been.

>>717434557
macros have a longer delay iirc. same with ff14.

>>717435579
any more from the balding /v/irgin too shit at his only hobby playbook? i'm waiting for "shumps are just memory games", "rts is just build orders" and "mobas are really easy actually i can hit chally in a week"

>>717432893 (OP)
Be glad, all the casual shitters who don't know how to play their classes will actually deal decent dps now.

>>717433839

You might be an idiot. This will improve performance for at least half the playerbase. The number of people who ever bother to look up a rotation is fucking miniscule, the number who bother to practice and improve is infinitesimal.

>>717435704
>Decent
Nigga that shit doesn't even keep up your dots on dot classes.
I'd rather them use the old combat addons that worked that they were using.

>>717434557
macros can’t do priorities only set sequences

>>717434942
It's always funny reading action-combat retards' fantasies about tab target because their style of combat is always so shallow they think tab target can't be any deeper.

>>717435642
>triggered raidtranny can't cope with how piss easy his game is
lmao

>>717435642
>Aggressively constructs a strawman to distract from how shit the entire MMO genre is
Hilarious.
I don't care about any of that shit. I just love shitting on MMO players because they're either old nostalgia ridden WoW players who can't get over the last fun they had in 2007 after school raiding with friends, or they're balding trannies trying to groom new players in FFXIV. No one plays MMOs for the gameplay. Its shit. Always has been shit. The format only exists because of technical and bandwidth limitations that don't exist anymore.

Balan Wonderland did it first

>>717435876
>i-it was always shit
you've used up your alloted weekly male attention, gl with your hustle but remember you will always be bad at your only hobby.

>>717432893 (OP)
This has been possible for like a decade who gives a shit wow has always been a game for the handicapped

>>717432893 (OP)
We returned to the best era of the game, TBC
.t warlock main

>>717435828
>He thinks it isn't easy to play both and find out that both are shit
MMOs are all shit. Action combat is ever so slightly less shit because it (sometimes) can't be automated with one button press.

>>717432893 (OP)
This was always in the game through Macros which you could just find online and copy paste to make if you were too retarded to learn to make them, now its for everybody.

>>717433619
A really shitty one. Most of the players are morbidly obese, trans, or homosexual

>>717433305
I miss when mmos were mixed with keyboard turners and min maxing autists and everyone just played the same shit. Even pre SBMM in shit like counter strike and stuff. Everything is so built around catering to some group of people for some specific reason

>>717432893 (OP)
>

>>717435967
>Its shit now
>Hasn't meaninfully changed in 20 years
>Somehow it wasn't shit then
Lmao
The rose tinted glasses are thick on this one

>>717435769
And it still outperforms casual shitters who don't use the button.
If I have to play with these shitters, I prefer them dealing more damage with one button than them struggling to understand which buttons should be pressed in what order and fucking up their rotations, meaning enemies die slower and content taking longer to clear.

I like it. Takes the busywork out of applying debuffs/assigning shittons of buttons to mandatory casts, and also teaches idiots how their class actually should work.
All utility and situationals still require manual use. It's just a tool for learning your class. And once you do, the gcd penalty makes it nonviable.

Where is the XIV thread? I wanna talk about the new patch...

>>717436079
Most people are hard-wired to optimize efficiency in every aspect of their lives.

>>717436141
This. If I still played WoW, I might use the 1-button thing in LFR/easy dungeons/outworld stuff and to check what other specs/classes do
I don't really see what the problem with it existing is. You still need to manually play to clear the hardest content because of the delay

Rotations are the reason quit mmos.
Its not fun

>>717436172
Auto-Sage'd.
Enjoy this thread instead about a feature no one uses existing in WoW along with the 3 other WoW threads up about Khadgar floating in a wheelchair.

>>717436407
Spamming Frostbolt was soooo much better!

>>717432893 (OP)
WoW isn't about actually doing content that would require more then one button, literally 99% of retail players don't play wow for anything other then doing old content to farm transmogs or mounts and flying around to do dailies for transmogs or mounts. They were already one shoting everything with a single button before, now they can just do lfr with one button too.

>>717436443
I preferred healing where rotations weren't really a thing
Also honestly vampire survivors and all the clones do it correct
Just have damaging skills autocast. Let the player control movement and special skills for reaction

>>717436443
Yes it was, also shadow bolt

>>717436430
>3 other WoW threads up about Khadgar floating in a wheelchair.
And we have become exceedingly efficient at making those threads.

>>717436443
Spamming shadowbolt was genuinely way more fun then playing retail which is just spinning plates while not standing in the giant glowing telegraphed attacks on the ground.

>>717436443
Yes?

>>717432893 (OP)
Who gives a fuck. Only furries and trannies play that shitslop

>>717432893 (OP)
bubububut nobody but shitters will use it!

>>717435586
this is wrong

>>717432893 (OP)
In a game where the GCD is 1 second, going to 1.2 seconds seems like a lot, but then you realize that now people who normally play a 3 APM or less are now more than twice as fast
It's a good change. It's like adding Easy Input to a fighting game. Less damage, more accessibility

OSRS won.

>>717436749
I guess it's better than what classic keks get which is whatever fotm private server pops up promising ***NEW*** and ***EXCITING*** vanilla changes that usually equate to classic but random classes are broken overpowered and the ***NEW*** content/server doesn't work but make sure to stay hype for when it does.

meanwhile, the classic rotation

>>717437043
looking forward to the next gay pride event sis

>>717436430
Why is it forbidden to speak about XIV here?

>>717436443
These replies more than anything remind me that /v/ doesn't actually like playing video games

>>717437141
everyone knows that classic was for noobs and scrubs while real gamers tested their mettle in BC

>>717435586
Macros don't have a delay in wow, and they actually don't have a delay in XIV either.
They don't automatically queue in XIV, which can make them not register on press or cause you to have a delay. They do automatically queue in WoW though, so this downside doesn't exist there

wowfags have no copes left

>>717436443
I unironically play fire mages to throw fireballs and the occasional sweet pyroblast proc.

If you're not having fun because your class doesn't require you to play thirty button DDR on your keyboard, that's your problem.

>>717437182
Name 1 thing people actually discuss about it that isn't dooming, ack lmao and limsa erpers.

>>717437209
whoops forgot my rotation

>>717437184
I just played some soulstone survivors before
Its unironically more fun than Wow and XIV

>>717437184
If you look at the ARPG side of things, there isn't a single soul who wants to use more than one skill and if a mob doesn't die in a single dot it's unfun health sponge dogshit.

>>717437278
>Name 1 thing people actually discuss about it that isn't dooming, ack lmao and limsa erpers.
Besides the limsa erpers part you can say the same shit about literally any game on /v/.

>>717437012
>>717437210
ah so no wonder all MMOs are bot fests including /v/

>>717432893 (OP)
>what the fuck happened?
Average age of wow retail player is 50

>>717437182
The threads are usually just extremely low quality because the same schizo spams them with image dumps and doom posting.
Anyone talking about the game is drowned out by them.
Probably gets pruned then bans them which they avoid because 100+ posts in the thread are literally them spamming.
It happens every single time.

>>717432893 (OP)
only wrathbabs see this as bad

Your modern WoW, sir.

>>717437491
>the same schizo spams them with image dumps
Dumpy is protected by mods, if you post a google doc that points out how many times he had posted the same exact images or mock him directly, you will eat a 3 day ban. Try it yourself if you want a free vacation.

>>717437423
What do macros have to do with bots? Actual bots don't use the ingame macro systems, they have macros/automations set up outside of the game.
In-game macros are best used for things that require more than 1 input for 1 output, like writing a predetermined message or targeting a predetermined target with a specific spell

>>717432893 (OP)
WoW was always the MMO for retarded children and normalfags.

>>717437147
In WoW? LOOOOOOOOOL

>>717437628
Why are americans like this? What goes on in the brain to make you this obsessed with niggers?

>>717437636
I doubt they're protected over just ban evading. I see people flaming them all the time you probably get banned for adding to the schizo mess that is the thread by dropping fucking google docs about random people.

>>717437636
Mods basically ban anyone pointing out they can't get rid of specific dedicated schizos who evade better than the mods can ban them. You get the same shit on other boards. /tg/ has a dedicated guy bumping threads for weeks at a time but pointing him out nets you a ban.
I think its less the guy is actively supported and more the mods don't like that you point out their incompetence.
>inb4 ban

>>717432893 (OP)
>0.2 delay
not my problem
>my shitty dungeons will go faster
based

>>717432893 (OP)
>what the fuck happened?
The people playing it now don't actually want to play it, so the devs bend over backwards in trying to keep them shackled in the prison.

>>717432893 (OP)
It's actually amazing how many retards who think the single button assistance is an indication of how players are, and not indicative of how bad WoW is.

Think about it rationally. They had to add a nerf to it, because it would be -too good- without the .2 gcd nerf. The metrics already show that it is better than the average player, despite the nerf.

In a normal videogame you would just press 1 button to do your basic combo. In WoW, that's supposed to be "hardcore".

>WoW is dead
>xiv is dying
>gw2 has never been alive in the first place
What is left?
Where do I go?
Like genuinely.

>>717436443
Priority lists are better.
Builder spenders are acceptable.

>>717440953
Better genres
Arpgs
Whatever genre warframe is
Vrchat

>>717432893 (OP)
>he didn't run his rotation on a macro
1,2,3,4,4,4,4,1,2,3,4,4,4,4,4,SHIFT 1!

>>717440953
Whatever game you would like to play Anon.
It's freeing to relieve yourself of just jumping to what ever is popular at the time.
None of those games are dead or dying.

>>717440953
MMOs aren't a popular genre anymore
So unless something comes along to revitalize or reinvent the genre, its gonna stay this way

>>717440953
OSRS is popping off.

As if wowfatties don't look up skill rotations from online sites anyway, get off your high horse, it's a game for retards.

>>717437828
Chromie the trans gnome who sends you back in time to ensure Alexstraza gets raped, saying "keep it on the down low"

>>717432893 (OP)
As expect from a game that panders to furries, 41 percenters, fags and women. I'll be playing guild wars and never look back at this dogshit ever again.

>>717440953
mmos are dead outside of private servers like epoch, i want ragnarok online 3 to be good but i know better
>>717441445
runescapes not an mmo

>>717441445
OSRS is where old jaded MMO players go to die

>>717435358
im almost positive you think shit like sekiro is a hardcore game for hardcore gamers, yet it is LITERALLY simon says. shut the actual fuck up and read what you say before spewing shit, dumbass. being anonymous doesn't save you from being a retard, you'll always be recognized.

>>717440953
Idleon

>>717441104
Everything I want to play isnt gonna be out until next year or something
I need something to spend time with
And no I will not be playing warframe, even if it has the preg and miku frames

>>717440953
GW2 is the one I play personally.
Its never been super populated, but its at just the right level to be comfy. Big world events always have people showing up to do them. You're almost never in a map alone, even the ones that were just for padding before the expansions came out. And I like the combat significantly more than typical mmo tab target shit.

The story is a bit of a slog, and the writing is definitely wordswordswords at times. But the maps in the first two expansions really sell the fact you're fighting off world ending elemental dragons. Its quite fun during that stage of the game. Later stuff is soso but they keep adding enough to keep me mildly invested. And I never really have to worry that I'm missing out. There's no gear treadmill. I can log out for 2 years and come back to a character thats still viable, which is a huge selling point for me.

>>717438653
His posts don't get deleted, only the ones posting google docs do.

>>717441668
OSRS has more people at one place doing any given activity than any other MMO

>>717441781
I played it, plenty of it
The problem is that there isnt really anything to do, supposedly a new expansion is about to release and it doesnt interest me at all, it just has no real meat to it
Im not going back to nam, and the desert hasnt exactly been very interesting

>>717441683
Back to spew more shit about your tranny genre, sperg? Way to project, xister!

>>717441893
just because your single player point and click adventure game has a month sub and a chatroom doesn't mean its an mmo

>>717433684
>Actually it's ok because there's a second button you might push every other minute

>>717441771
Have you ever played warframe?
Its fun

>>717441915
I can see that complaint.
Personally I like collecting shit. So I set goals like Ascended and Legendary gear or other long term achievement stuff and that satisfies me. I also play Warframe, so there are plenty of similarities in terms of motivation between those games.
But if you want something more than "eventually owning everything" then, yeah, GW2 probably isn't really for you. Neither is Warframe for that matter.

>>717433684
you're lying though, the one button uses big cooldowns as an opener, it actually makes you a shittier player because it blows your c/ds on trash packs

>>717436070
Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down

>blue protocol was axed
Goddamnit, the classes looked cool and I liked the fact the combat was a bit more actiony, with the headshot aiming and the like
I want an mmo with combat like that, the artstyle was very nice too, as much shit as genshin gets, that kind of style is just nice to look at and I want more games to steal that shit.

>>717442294
Isn't it getting a re-release by a new company?

There is nothing wrong with having a one button rotation, pressing a bunch of buttons in sequence for no reason is pointless as fuck. The game was better back when you were spamming backstab/evis, shadowbolt, frostbolt or aimshot/multishot anyway.
The combat shouldn't be about the rotation.

>>717442119
I have, its not fun
Its playing the first doom eternal level over and over
I dont care for the progression, I dont care for the gacha shit, I dont care for the gameplay
Hell I dont even like the way it looks, the frames just look... odd.
Like very generic scifi if that makes sense
If it has fists or claws I will reconsider

>>717432893 (OP)
they want that gacha audience

>>717442379
yeah but did they say anything about uncensoring it? i was glad it died after i knew it was censored.

>>717442379
First time hearing about this, is it?

>>717442403
you pussies love to obfuscate and be facetious in your arguments, they aren't just a "bunch of buttons" they are abilities, that are meant to be pressed dependent on the situation, you are barely playing the game if these choices are being made for you, you may as well be watching a stream of someone else playing your character

>>717442559
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3681810/Blue_Protocol_Star_Resonance/

>>717432893 (OP)
You mean I have to learn to click ONE FUCKING BUTTOM?!?
Bro! I don't have time to learn all that shit. Make it more shrimple!

>>717442428
It does have fists and claw weapons. They are meh. And also frames that are focused on fists (Atlas) and claws (Garuda, Valkyr) that are all good.
But if you don't like the core gameplay, don't play it. Warframe is only fun if you like both just shitting on hundreds of mooks and slowly collecting every frame, weapon and whatever else the game has. If that doesn't make you want to play the game, its not for you.

Also
>Gacha
To what are you referring? Relics? I suppose those are kinda random. But I honestly can't think of anything I'd legitimately consider as shit as an actual gacha system in the game.

>>717436141
>also teaches idiots how their class actually should work.
If someone's too stupid to figure out build resource spend resource on their own, ain't no way they actually pay attention to the order things are cast when they're turretting in lfr

>>717442403
this dogshit board is so worthless nothing but fucktards who think anything beyond a jump button is artificial difficulty and bloat. people used to be shamed and bullied for these dipshit opinions here.

>>717442428
>If it has fists or claws I will reconsider
It has them
Like anon said the claw frames are where its at
You can also play as voruna and she uses her wolf paws?/claws to pounce of shit. Very fun

>>717442590
Reminder the majority of /v/ are anti-gameplay ESL SEAmonkeys who watch vtubers all day.

>>717442607
>tencent
Welp, into the bin it goes

>>717436079
>Everything is so built around catering to some group of people for some specific reason
the minmaxer autists got into the dev team and decided to make the content they would enjoy without caring about the casuals
and in some cases its the opposite (probably modern wow) executives that literally never touched a videogame and consider it "loser shit" got in charge of designing a game

d*dgamers are a scourge upon gaming

>>717442717
I used to say the same thing then I tried vampire survivors. Turns out all you need is movement and positioning

>>717442590
>abilities, that are meant to be pressed dependent on the situation
Rotation abilities are always pressed in the same order though. That's why it's called a rotation, it rotates

>>717442684
Ill look into the claws, thing is, even games id normally not touch can be saved just for having a cool way to fight
When I did play it, a very long time back, im pretty sure it was just guns and katanas

>>717442902
a rotation is an entire kit coming together as a cohesive whole and is still not "random buttons pressed for no reason"

>>717442590
A damage rotation is just for dealing damage, there is nothing situational about it. It's just pointless bloat to make your brain feel like you're doing something even though you could be pressing one button to achieve the same thing. Situational abilities are something else entirely, it's your cc, your movement shit or damage reduction cooldowns. Those aren't part of the one button rotation.

Maybe some of you epic hardcore gamers should try getting some fresh air and realizing your button bloat isn't necessary. Raising a kid is way harder anyways.

>>717433305
>MMO players
*WoW players

>>717442965
Understandable. If you played it near release its effectively unrecognizable to what its like today.
IMO its significantly better, but you still get people parroting old memes about how actually the slow as fuck gameplay was good.

>>717432893 (OP)
is this the swifty one shot macro?
Swifty should sue blizzard

>>717435395
>FFXIV made difficult raids popular
10 mins of
>stand in point A
>move to point B
>move to C
>wait 1 person out of 8 stood in point D at the wrong time
>we all die ok lets try and remember the order better next time

>>717432893 (OP)
but people already use macros in mmos, this doesn't seem like a big deal

>>717443537
If it's that easy to fail I guess it's pretty hard huh

>>717443537
Yes, team DDR is fun

>>717442991
>entire kit coming together as a cohesive whole
A warlock's gateway, soulstone and healthstone and defensive cooldowns are part of their kit, but they are not a part of their rotation.
A rotation is just the optimal order of operations in which you press your damaging abilities. WoW actually does or did, I haven't played in years a pretty good job in making the rotations change from fight-to-fight so I'm not entirely sure how the one-button thing works when you get adds in a boss for example.
>is still not "random buttons pressed for no reason"
Is this how the one-button rotation thing works? I would assume it has some kind of priority list it runs down, like pic rel

>>717443418
Ive looked into garuda, coruna and valkyr and i like what I see, claw wise anyway
I will give this game another look its been 7 years, almost to the day

>>717432893 (OP)
wow has been a 1 button game since legion

>>717443693
Good luck anon!
Remember to ctrl + space + ctrl for fluid movement
if your damage is lacking grab the starter pack in the shop. Its a couple bucks

>>717444080
>if your damage is lacking grab the starter pack in the shop
Don't do this.
Everything in the game except cosmetics, and only certain cosmetics, is available to get in game. Level stuff up as you go. A max rank Serration won't even fit on your starter weapons.
The major complaint with Warframe is that it encourages new players to opt to buy stuff with money. The secret is that you don't have to. If you have the money to spare, the only thing you should be buying is raw plat, and use that to buy weapon and frame slots, as well as catalysts and reactors for those weapons and frames. Later on you can make some plat by selling items to other people.

>>717440953
I got bored of farming Manastorm, so I'm waiting for this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEb42dm0G3k

>>717432893 (OP)
"le rotation" is garbage gameplay and a sign that a class needs fixing (no, the concept of "le specs" is an abomination and also something to be fixed)

>>717436443
Frostbolt was just the better solution for the encounters that were created back then. You still had a large toolkit to solve a variety of encounters. Then the problem is the encounters, not the class design.

>>717436141
>Takes the busywork out of applying debuffs/assigning shittons of buttons to mandatory casts, and also teaches idiots how their class actually should work.
Maybe Blizzard should just take that out after three hundred years of people not liking it.

>>717432893 (OP)
>>717433305
crazy how the only way to go back is an everquest style game with as many hindrances as possible. WoW was theseus' ship for qol features and we're at the point where it isnt the same boat anymore.
By EQ like I mean everything else is solved in mmos, we have to go back to race mattering, like ogres not being welcome in big cities, cute stuff like that where your role in the world is much more impactful.

>>717432893 (OP)
Mmos are dying, the last mmo alive will probably be wow, since they cant attract new players they want to retain their existing ones by giving them everything they ever wanted. Half the playerbase is parents who have the gaming sense of a disabled and demented grandmother so they have to pander to them.

>>717436141
>nonviable
>can do rank 8 delves with it solo

>>717447152
delves are a pure survivability check they don't have mechanics or dps checks

>>717432893 (OP)
Isn't this literally what players did with macros?

>>717432893 (OP)
>what the fuck happened?
What happened was live services like Gamepass caught on. The opportunity for moving a subscription based game onto a subscription based platform when you know it's going to sell, is obviously too lucrative to pass up, from the perspective of a corporate CEO. One-button-rotation is part of the effort in making WoW more console friendly, for people who want to play it via liveservices such as Gamepass. Bro this isn't difficult to figure out, it's pretty fucking obvious frankly.

>>717436443
wotlk had the best class design.

>>717448802
That was Mists

>>717432893 (OP)
does this work for aoe, healing, tanking etc?

>>717432893 (OP)
>Meanwhile ffxivfags have been using this for months and far more effective tools but in order to do this they have to download 3rd party cheat tools
The mmo genre is kill, compfags finally killed it.

>not playing the superior MMO with a built in 0.6 second tickrate

>warframe is 61% owned by china
Into
the bin
it goes

>>717434143
Really makes me think it's completely fine. There's nothing wrong with letting retards and disabled retards enjoy the game without holding everyone else back. They'll barely clear normal raids/dungeons with that, it really doesn't matter at all.

>>717448802
nah wrath is when mana stopped mattering and every class was homogenized into aoe spam

>>717448802
when healing was just spamming all your buttons constantly like a retard because it was impossible to run out of mana?

mana is terrible game design

>>717432893 (OP)
Trying to get the Balan Wonderworld audience (3)

>>717449061
>hurrr everyone has self healing
>hurrr everyone has stealth
>hurr everyone has dots
>hurrr eeryone has shield wall
>hurr everyone has a burst cooldown
>hurrrrrrrr everyone has ranged damage
Mop sucks ass, class identity went to hell in that expansion.

>>717450982
>classes with dots in vanilla
>warlock, rogue, warrior, druid, priest, mage, shaman, hunter
identity keks?

It's a feature for literal disabled people. Being on /v/ you'd think people would appreciate it more.

>>717451573
Mage only had dots when specializing fire

>>717432893 (OP)
It's one of the best thing they ever added
Anyway even with the one button macro retarded niggers like you will never ever be able to actually clear hard content

>>717451839
>mage only has the hardest hitting dot in the game
fireball is also a dot baseline

>>717447438
Hekili has 60 million downloads, yeah people were already doing this shit with macros
>>717449205
aoe, tanking but not healing
you're still going to have to push your cooldowns and defensives

>>717450982
>nobody should be able to do anything that already exists elsewhere
Why even have more than one damage dealer when some of you love class identity so much? Seems redundant on the devs part.

>>717449568
Its owned by Tencent.
Who has, as far as I can tell, been pretty much hands off. The only thing thats been added that was in any way aggressively MTX that wasn't there before was heirloom skins and the community had such a shitfit they were FOMO the devs had to make them permanently available. Oh and I guess Regal Aya packs, which have the same story, bad pricing which started a minor rebellion and had to be fixed.

The nice thing about DE being so community focused is that they get absolutely blasted when their Tencent overlords try and monetize the game harder.

>repeatedly pressing 1 2 3 4 is so complex 2deep4u hardcore meta gameplay bros

>>717452057
I don't know about mop but in retail ever caster feel very different to play
Hell even between hero specs the gameplay and damage profile can change quite drastically

One of the least offensive things about retail WoW. At least you can just not use it. You're still forced into FOMO seasonal patches and M+ slop if you want to do anything fun like raid.

>>717452115
So much so that the devs had to nerf doing so automatically

>>717440953
Mabinogi, unironically has one of the brightest looking futures in the genre
>anime
>nexon
I know, im still not wrong

>>717452168
"class identity" was always a meme by people being butthurt that half the classes in the game were no longer nearly useless memes

>>717433318
Depending on your spec it's a 10-50% damage loss. Nobody uses it in serious content. There are already WAs that name and shame party members who are using it because it's considered griefing lel

my friend tried really hard to get me into WoW. I made an undead rogue or assassin, something like that. I played until about level 7 and I thought it was gay as fuck

>>717452115
It's not, and it's not even engaging.
When I hear people say, 'Whoa, this rotation feels so good to play', I try to remember all the times someone said, 'Man I loved that MMO back in the day, it had the best rotations ever'
That shit doesn't happen, ever

>>717452057
It should be obvious but a class mechanic isn't unique if you give it to everyone, hope you learned something today retard.

Is WoW back?
Is 11.2 a blast?

>>717452380
remove everything but prot warrior holy priest and fire mage then

I tried using it and it felt like it did more harm than good. Kept having throw weapon as the default instead of charge on a warrior.

>>717452310
Did you suck on his penis?

>>717452068
I just inherently dont trust chinese companies anymore after I got one email acount straight up stolen, then another throwaway email i used to try out genshin had 6 login attempts from bejing on the same day I installed it.

>>717452426
Why? All the classes were pretty unique in vanilla, just let it stay that way instead of having all their abilities bleed together into a big homogeneous soup.

>>717437141
it was funny to see that grummz guy go against this feature when the game he helped designed had frostbolt shadowbolt and flash of light spam
1 button

>>717452617
Unique in that most weren't allowed in the raid party.

>>717452617
>multiple classes use pets
>multiple classes can tank
>multiple classes can heal
>multiple classes can stun
>almost all classes apply dots and slows
>most specs aren't seen in raids whatsoever

>>717452823
vanilla had so many unplayable specs it's crazy. it took years until tbc to fix some of them

>>717432893 (OP)
How does it work with healers and classes with pets?

>>717452983
tbc managed to turn rogues from being one of the best classes to being one of the worst in pve

>>717453112
it's only for damage rotations and it comes with a pretty big penalty

>>717452310
I tried it for the first time a year ago and had no idea what was going on after having a bunch of boring cutscenes dumped on me along with popups for character boosts. I lasted about 2 hours and gave up. Classic was fun for a few days but i feel like its trying to recapture the magic thats been gone for a very long time. I can see why people would want to play it instead of retail though. Theres something satisfying about just being dumped into a game and wandering around to discover stuff.

>>717452407
yep another banger from metzen

i used to raid with a bunch of absolutely terrible players, but i later learned they all met in physical therapy and had varying levels of disability
in this case this would actually help them quite a lot

>>717441497
Would be better if "she" transformed the player into a dragon so we could personally do the raping

>>717453153
rogues were shit in pve even before, way under warriors and even mages. it was wrath when they peaked

>>717435026
WoW raids are entirely based on ilvl you stupid nigger

I hope raids and guild leaders will bully people to use it.

>>717453695
You don't play either if you think souls isn't completely trivialized by using gear.

>>717452485
no and I called him a faggot

>>717452823
Only warriors and to some extent druids could tank, how many tanks do you have now? 6?
Some classes had unique traits like for example druids not having slows because they run faster than other classes . They also didn't have a conventional kick nor a silence either but all of them got added in later expansions. The uniqueness of classes is out the window.

>>717452342
I don't know about rotations, but sidewinders on hunter in Legion was probably the most fun ability to press in any MMO I've ever played. They removed it after like 1 patch. The WoW devs wouldn't know fun if it smacked them in the face.

>>717453695
post cutting edge cheevo

>>717453757
They 100% will

>>717454117
Why would someone who doesn't play your casual dogshit post an achievement from said casual dogshit? Why don't you name 5 bosses harder than Midir or pre-nerf Radahn?

How do you improve WoW?

>>717454445
Delete the game from your computer

>>717453858
That's very obviously wrong. Warriors have the least utility because they're meant to take hits best, meanwhile a demon hunter can jump around the map aggroing everything, grouping it all together, then silencing it. If you haven't played in 20 years then you shouldn't pretend to be an authority. Your idea on uniqueness is "doesn't have slows."

>>717454484
You brought up tanks as a metric for uniqueness, In vanilla there were 2 and now there are 6.
I'm talking about the druid because I don't have time to list out every fucking class and their class changes across a dozen expansions. Druids being fast used to be an unique thing to their class, nobody could match them aside from a sprinting rogue. Today in retail every single class can match the speed of a druid, the game is fucked.

>>717454746
That wasn't me, I'm just pointing out your obviously ignorant comments. It's such a retarded thing to say when people have complained about DK mobility since their inception.

>>717432893 (OP)
>>717433017
>>717433305
>>717433318
First off: We used to have 1 button rotation macros for a hundred years in WoW.
second:
>Increases the time between using abilities by 0.2 seconds
This isn't what you think it is. This isn't the "retards can clear mythic raids now" button. This is the "literal cripples who use their feet or blowing into a straw can now play the game easier" button. You're never gonna see anyone topping a DPS chart while using this, you're never gonna see a world first where a majority is using this (I'm sure some no life extreme nerds can manage to carry a world first despite like.. a shadow priest or something using this, but he would be carried by the rest of the group, no different from how they might get a world first with one raid member wearing shit gear).
it's the same shit as raidfinder: Who fucking cares if the lowest of the low skill casuals now can clear a lesser version of the raid? Who honestly gives a shit? You will never ever see a skilled person using this, over doing it on their own. Just as you do not see top guilds going: "We'll only raid raidfinder now".
Hot take: 99% of people who bitch and moan about this, are the same faggots who cry "game 2 easy" when the top 0.001% of wow players gets the world first raid clear. It's always some asshole who has cleared the first 3 mythic bosses at best, declaring the game to be fully for casuals now.

>>717432893 (OP)
This is the level of IQ that has the people who still play to WoW this day. C'mon, is a surpassed game now.

>>717432893 (OP)
What does it do for enh shaman, spriest or arcane mage?

>>717454221
shitter detected

>>717455065
t. filtered by margit

>>717455176
>he thinks soulslop is hard

This is unironically them ramping up for a mobile and console release

>>717455332
Raids are participation trophies for retards who get carried by 24 other retards. You on the other hand, are filtered and bitter!

>>717455409
post cutting edge cheevo

>>717454946
Where do I go for smarter game?

Reminder this exists entirely because classic players literally cannot play retail WoW because it's more than 3 buttons

>>717455048
At least 3-40% less dps than you'd do if you just sat there for an hour and learnt your rotation, no seriously player would ever use this

>>717456679
>classic players playing retaild
lmao keep dreaming retailfag

>>717456779
Explain why retail addons have more downloads than classic server versions, by a significant margin

>>717438007
>white guilt born out of stupidity or being manipulated into it
>white guilt born out of a hero complex
>it is a sexual thing
It tends to be one of the above

>>717456919
Because retail players are retarded and need tons of addons to play the game for them?

>>717436258
it's perceived as giving you happiness

>>717452617
> just cast frostbolt
> just cast shadowbolt
> just cast auto shot
> just cast heroic strike

Pretty unique indeed

>>717457384
PvEfags need not apply

>>717432893 (OP)
>turns 3 button game into 1 button game
>muh IQ
lol

who is still playing this garbage? imagine paying a monthly bill for the privilege of being in a zoo for old retarded paypigs.

>>717440979
Modern wow is 100% priority lists and builder spenders, there's no class with a set rotation

>>717457862
It's the most played MMO by a large margin, lots of people play it

>>717457948
Do Europeans play it any longer?

>>717458024
>Lots of people play it
>That means its good
Fortnite exists.

>>717457862
Trannies, boomers, sweaty tryhards who only come for the endgame content and people who are vulnerable to sunk cost.

>>717458363
>Lots of people play it
>That means its good

Quite literally yes, that is how metrics work - most people who are of sound mind can agree that popularity is an important (not the only) metric to guage the quality of something

Of course some things don't get the popularity they deserve, but the opposite is never the case, since if you are popular, you already deserve to be - no bad game ever got popular for no reason

>>717458612
> trannies trannies trannies everywhere
Had to fit tranny in there somehow didn't we

>>717458698
Feeling called out? I also forgot to mention furfags

>>717458612
don't forget fat lonely women

>>717458873
> the person disagreeing with me is also a tranny
Well done for saying the most obvious thing you could have possibly said, your mind is broken beyond repair and you know it

i really dislike how much casuals ruin video games

>>717458962
Kek, we both know what you are

imagine failing to pass on an anonymous text based web forum

>>717458621
>but the opposite is never the case, since if you are popular, you already deserve to be
Consoomerist drivel
Popularity just means that. Popular. Quality rarely, if ever coincides with popularity. The herd is easily swayed by simplicity and accessibility. Two things that also almost never coincide with quality.

>>717458698
>>717458962
>im not a tranny but can you please stop mentioning trannys? just to emphasize, i am not a tranny fellow 4channers. did i mention that im not a tranny?

>>717459150
I'd almost be sad if I didn't also find it amusing that you are so ideologically mindbroken you will never be truly happy again

>>717459079
How does this ruin anything?

>>717432893 (OP)
People will still stand in the fire.

>>717459293
Even if I was a tranny we both know you're likely to commit suicide sooner

>>717458621
Thank god I'm not a brainrotted oldfag who can only have fun playing shitty decrepit MMOs that had their peak more than two decades ago.

>>717432893 (OP)
lmao sounds like they finally got around to openly treating their playerbase like bots, instead of just doing so behind closed doors.

>>717459473
So people can't enjoy old games?

>>717452292
Didn't it put BM Hunters as low as 3% off of their perfect DPS? And that's also the biggest retard spec even more retard friendly than melee classes.

>>717459313
I really struck a nerve there didn’t I?
You will never have a dick again and neither will your dead game ever be good or popular again.

>>717453821
You cant brute force Souls you stupid nigger, you can with WoW

>>717459642
You're thinking about a stranger online's dick for multiple posts and you have the gall to call anyone else a tranny, faggot

>>717459746
>>717459313
>>717459429
>t.

>>717459639
That's the rotation helper, which simply highlights the next suggested spell, doesn't actually press it for you - these are slightly worse than normal DPS because they don't take into account little environmental factors you as the player can (slightly holding a big damage event for adds etc) - also it encourages bar watching which is not a good practise

The actual one button mode for BM is currently about a 15-20% dps loss, not as steep as certain classes but still totally unacceptable for any kind of serious player

>>717459292
simplicity and accessibility are virtues and usually do coincide with quality

there's a particular kind of idiot who thinks that making things hard on himself is clever

>>717459934
Imagine being this mindbroken, I know with a certainty you're not making it through your current decade

>>717459639
let's be honest here - hunters already had autoshot

>>717459746
And here you still are seething because someone used the word tranny.
Between that and still playing WoW it is difficult to pick which is more gay

>>717459934
absolutely the only actual tranny in this thread I've not seen projection like this in awhile

>>717459729
>what is havel's
you don't even play the games you defend lol

>>717435236
>A quick google search prior to doing the raid, admittedly a tall order for some of you, lets you know exactly what you should do, step by step, before going in
wow players can't even do that, they need their five trillion addons to tell them exactly when something is happening and what to do

>>717452292
you're lying. why are you lying?
There is serious contention about it because the dps loss is compensated by consistency, where manual rotation will mess up or screw up mechanics due to trying to juggle rotation and mechanics

>>717459934
>tranny
nigger can you shut the fuck up we do not care what you jerk off to

>>717432893 (OP)
wow now you can do your classic mage and warlock rotations in retail. who the fuck is still playing retail, jesus christ.

>>717442704
A lot of classes still have more nuance to them than that. Like most melee classes play themselves, but for example, if you wanted to be a good DH in Dragonflight you actually had to put in a lot of effort and it would show, high end DHs were gapping each other. Plus there's stuff the game doesn't outright teach you. Like if you play Feral druid outside of your major cooldown dumping, you're basically entirely proc reliant to stay competitive with other specs IF your tank isn't pulling big (bigger than 8 since bleeds don't have the target cap dogshit). Which is confusing for any player. Why would you perform less than others, wouldn't it make more sense to reward more damage output than other people if your spec is tethered to RNG? Or in the case of Fire Mage where if you're outside of combust you're basically not even a real player so everything is reliant on that one cooldown and yet you get nerfed anyway and Arcane gets to have all the class fantasy Fire used to have without any of the drawbacks.

>>717460423
>who the fuck is still playing retail
wow (both versions) is a gamer dad trophy case
these people don't actually play video games anymore

Why does wow make /v/ in particular so angry? Is it simply contrarianism because it's popular or is it deeper than that

>>717435283
>modern raid difficulty
The only difference between LFR and Heroic is that you can gatekeep lowIQ from Heroic.
This is RARELY done in practice.
I've met many LFR-only players that could curbstomp Heroic raiders mechanically - they rightfully want nothing to do with homoerotic guild drama and wiping 40x more than necessary because the GL isn't ever going to kick retarded Timmy.
Only in Mythic is the line drawn such that there is no room to carry shitters - usually.

>>717460423
gifted gamers

Someone post the .webms

>>717460178
>>717460086
>>717460304

>>717460683
i remember the old meme was that boomers only played wow and call of duty, with maybe an occasional souls game on the side once every couple of years. i think that's more true than ever after classic gave them multiple versions of wow to cycle through now.

>>717437628
One day... I will own this land...

>>717460972
what does the guy who commits suicide because he lost his job have anything to do with trannies? how retarded are you seriously

>>717460937

>>717460972
Based

>>717461127
hi, peter here to explain the joke. i think the insinuation is that trans people kill themselves quite often and the person in the picture is from a well known suicide video, thus implying that trans people will kill themselves just like the man in the video. glad i could help.

>>717433839
>who is the real retard here?
wow players, as has always been the case

"complex" rotations are antisocial measures designed to keep the game's isolating treadmill marching on, they kill group dynamics because everyone's just autistically focused on perfectly pressing the button that lights up instead of strategizing and having fun as a group

>>717462071
skill issue

1 button is based, now us healer chads dont need to bother to learn dps specs just to do delves or world quest

>>717460423
There isnt a single other MMO on the market with Raids or dungeons like WoW.

>>717463406
*stacies

>>717432893 (OP)
a frost mage who plays vanilla pservers, i approve

>>717463530
>Raids or dungeons like WoW.
shit?

>no one on /v/ plays wow yet everyone is an expert on it
curious

>>717463956
you'd almost think the game used to be good, but isn't any longer

>>717432893 (OP)
>>717437184
>>717440953
MMOs largely became games for people who don't want to play games. So something like this, effectively an official macro for the worst skilled players, feels like a natural endpoint.

>>717464096
What's bad about it?

>>717464526
just look at it

You're supposed to play modern WoW like a mindless ARPG. New season is a fresh reset on gear and you blast up the m+ ladder over a month and then quit til the next season

>>717432893 (OP)
It's just a Band-Aid. WoW is a game of bloat, nowadays. The systems are bloated; the classes are bloated; the rotations are bloated; the lore is bloated (and complete shit). They've gone through multiple stages of prune, only for the game to end up right back in the same pickle.

I hopped back in during the War Within and, while I feel that mythic was kind of fun, it's basically just spastic APM pushing bullshit. That's far removed from WoW when it launched, which did not ask much at all in the way of APM--and yet launched one of the most successful games of all time.

WoW needs a WoW2, not a "Single-Button Assistant."

>>717464962
A band-aid to what? It's for players with disabilities

Rotations are action "RPG" cancer.

>>717466058
Yeah that's for WoW players alright, what's your point?

>>717466058
>It's for players with disabilities
Sure. In reality, it's for everyone that doesn't want to put complex rotations to muscle memory so they can focus on mechanics.

It's a Band-Aid to the fact that WoW has been developed by mythic raiders for over a decade now.

>>717464962
>WoW needs a WoW2, not a "Single-Button Assistant."
They aren't going to dump WoW as it still has ~7M subscribers.

>>717435398
This is almost funny because it is true.

I use a copper brace to ease the pain and let me play games. ( i dont play wow tho)

>>717466058
Reminder that WoW players still manage to fuck up Classics 1 button rotations.

>>717466405
>~7M subscribers
bullshit.
They’d be releasing their sub count every month if it were even remotely that high

>>717466539
>They’d be releasing their sub count every month if it were even remotely that high
They did.

>>717466632
No idea why people cant come to terms with the fact that WoW is currently in the best state since Legion, hell I'd say TWW is better than legion thanks to having no RNG legendaries and AP grind systems.

>>717466632
no numbers = bullshit graph
WoW had around 12 million subscribers at the peak of its cultural relevance. You're delusional if you think it's still at 7 million when everyone but a few nostalgic boomers has moved on

>>717466632
>fake graph with no Y axis
why do you retards keep posting this shit, no one is ever going to fall for it

>>717466632
Blizzard hasn't released an official number since 2015. The current number is based on one guy farting out a number and financials.

The problem with financials is the cash shop (including the WoW token) has done nothing but grow in scope and cash flow for a very long time now. It completely warps the math. The more likely reality is WoW is just another online game propped up by whales.

>>717466764
>No idea
it's autism. some have quit the game and moved on like every normal human being
some have quit and expect everyone else to quit or agree with their stance on a game they don't even play anymore

>>717466814
Cope all you want. They did publish enough information for the community to estimate rough numbers. The game as a very healthy player base at the moment.
>fake graph with no Y axis
You don't need it for a rough estimate

>>717466881
make sure you tune in to gamescom

>>717466632
What I find interesting is that TBC classic literally LOST players according to this data

>>717466981
without any numbers for all you know it could be a dozen people

>>717467078
pretty sure you'd find more reliable data if you took your index finger, inserted it into your butthole, and rummaged around

>>717467078
that was around the milking scandals

>>717434143
Not true. It won't save aoe for when add spawns or whatever else a player has to do. It won't take into account any ability interactions or trinkets or cc. It's more like 50%. Adding the extra delay just made it even worse than it would have been.
It's just going to use 1m CD ability then main rotation ability 1 2 3.
It's questionable if this will help the players you get stuck playing with or not.

This makes more sense in Blade and Soul where you have 20 actions per second, not per minute.

>>717467119
>>717467153
This is all sad cope. It's no wonder you people still make daily "WoW is dead" and continue to be surprised that they keep making more content.

>>717466981
>The game as a very healthy player base at the moment.
>Cope all you want
Kek.
I don’t even care about this game, bud. If you’re still playing it and having fun, good for you. But wow is like Destiny 2, no one fucking cares about these games anymore, except for the few diehards who’ll never quit.

>>717467304
>I don’t even care about this game, bud.
I don't believe you.

>>717433839
Sometimes I just want to watch the numbers on the screen.
Or more likely, I'm eating dinner idling.
Not WoW though, lol.

>>717448045
More like to target phones. Better solution than removing all the abilities like they did trying this in WoD.
If they want to bring the female audience back they need come down hard on faggots pretending to be women.

>>717454926
>First off: We used to have 1 button rotation macros for a hundred years in WoW.
and that was unhealthy for the game which is why it was patched out when the devs weren't retarded. pressing one button isn't a fun or interesting gameplay loop and trivializes content. too much complexity is bad but so is too little; "press x to win" used to be universally recognized as bad gameplay. it's not fun and it's unhealthy for the game.

>This is the "literal cripples who use their feet or blowing into a straw can now play the game easier" button.
except that anyone else can and will use it too because it makes the game easier, especially when numbers are a non-issue like in sub-mythic content. that content matters because casual through semi-hardcore is like 90% of the game's audience.

>you're never gonna see a world first where a majority is using this
no but you'll see it used plenty in lfr/normal and potentially even heroic situationally. when numbers are a non-issue for a role (which happens frequently in sub-mythic), having a one-button spam macro simplifies gameplay so players can focus on mechanics. when you're typically held back by the worst 2-3 players of your group, good raid leads will tell those players to use the button in situations where it makes sense. and in normal/lfr people will just use it because they can and it's easy. players will always optimize the fun out of games, they shouldn't be allowed to do so.

>Hot take: 99% of people who bitch and moan about this, are the same faggots who cry "game 2 easy"
ok well i guess i'm in the 1% because i also think mythic encounters are often too hard or overtuned. i think there should be fewer difficulty levels and mythic should be designed for the top 5-10% of players and not the top 0.1%, which if they need to accommodate should be in the form of something like challenge modes but for raids where you get cosmetic-only rewards. anyone can point out these flaws regardless of skill level, though.

>>717466632
where is the sub count

>>717452342
Playing with more than 50% haste and extra haste buffs during Siege of Org made everything since fucking awful to put up with. Night and day difference between being able to move every half second to avoid damage and having to always interrupt a cast.

>>717461104
based Esteban

>>717464526
>infinite gear treadmill as a cookie cutter solution to any innovative gearing processes or even a cursory reflective look on longevity in any system of the game
>reputations are now based around drip feeding you rewards on top of rewards whilst increasing the amount you grind them under the guise that they're more involved or something
>PvP has such a small insignificant population that cheaters and the players that sell carries run pretty much every lobby
>Wait exceedingly long amounts of time in even average MMR just to run into some sort of illegitimate action, to the point that an oversight in solo shuffle has allowed players the ability to streamline win trading and target grief players
>M+ is can no longer be anything more than 'just see how far math will let you go' since crappy (seasonal) affix implementations made Blizzard think all the feedback meant they should rip them out of the game and never make fun high key affixes ever again
>Delves are just an infinitely worse version of Torghast just without the requirement to do them when all they had to do was make Torghast/Island Expeditions with all the options they had and get rid of the requirement to play them to keep up with content
>Delves are supposed to be casual soloable content but doing stuff at your ilvl requires you to press everything unless you're a tank or heal, Brann is fucking useless
>Raid (Mythic all other difficulties are invalid) still requires you to find 19 other individuals that can actually clear the content
>Hours upon hours are spent in your second job schedule to brute force hundreds of pulls if your raid team isn't very good
>If you want it to not be as long, you get into a top 200 guild that also brute forces it just with lower ilvl and longer/more raid days so it takes the same amount of time just not as much on the macro scale
>The only saving grace is outside of RP realms with dedicated RP gatherings, raiding is the last bastion of the social part of WoW

>>717432893 (OP)
What's lower iq, using macros or not knowing what a macro is in the year of our lord 2025?

>>717433017
Yuji Naka posting from jail?

>>717452115
it's actually precisely four times as complex as pressing 1 1 1 1. and what's more complex is also managing cooldowns, potions, mechanics, cc, debuffs, etc. while doing so. and sometimes you need to press different buttons depending on what's happening, resources, buffs, reactive abilities, etc.

it's not usually all that terribly complex (nor should it be) but acting like there's no difference between that and pressing 1 1 1 1 is dishonest.

Reminder Final Fantasy XII solved this 20 years ago but it was too complex for retards to use.

>>717432893 (OP)
All mmos are just glorified chat rooms

>>717466632
Here are the numbers to put on that chart. 1.4m characters 1 month into BfA. 3 characters per player seems a reasonable minimum expectation. Probably closer to 5 or more.

>>717469672
>source: your bussy

>>717468867
stick to other genres other than mmos if you don't want to put in the time, bucko

>>717432893 (OP)
It means now you can raid on a iPad while at work. Kinda based if you ask me

No one plays WoW except for fat middle aged women

>>717469672
it's way worse than that
most players have at least 6 characters and that doesn't include all the multiboxers that have several dozen accounts