Thread 717442056

Why did the assassins waste resources on the hidden blade instead of just using a dagger or a knife?

Faustian spirit

>>717442056 (OP)
Rule of Cool

>>717442056 (OP)
do Altair's you poser

>why use a hidden blade for stealth assassination instead of a non stealth one?
Mmmmmmmm........

>Don't fully retract your hand.
>Jab your fucking hand with a blade.
The answer is "rule of cool" except in the first one, it was just rule of retarded.
>Have to cut your fucking finger off to even use it.
>Not having a ring finger makes you immediately identifiable as an assassin.
>Attacking with it is like some weird shocker neck finger fuck.
>This is smart world building.

>>717442216
I can't... Its just... Maybe they are stupid? Else I'd've already found out by now. Must be them being stupid - OP, probably

>>717442435
>cut off finger
Leonardo da vinci fixed that

>>717442216
>Stealth one.
Nice bait but a dagger or a knife are the same fucking size, and can be hidden in many places, not just strapped to your wrist like an autist. Some knives can even be hidden in your asshole, ask people in prison! That's very stealthy. You've always got a weapon unless you're cavity searched. Therefore, a blade hidden in your fucking rectum is 100% more useful. It's just facts.

>>717442056 (OP)
it's cool

>>717442640
Exactly, that's why I said "first one." In the other games the hidden blade is just kinda a cool trick in your arsenal, whereas in the first game it's the whole religious finger-cutting Hashashin ritual thing, and it's just stupid. It's like Yakuza members missing fingers, you'd immediately be shunned and recognized as an assassin.

>>717442640
never mind, I guess altair fixed the design

>>717442056 (OP)
Tradition

>>717442765
>approach city
>eagle dive into crowd of hay
>random crowd npc activates Eagle vision and instantly sees your finger missing and alerts the Police
You are retarded. He isnt a fucking modern spy.

looks cool
iconography is important

>>717442435
It's not as if they couldn't figure out how to make the hidden blade function without cutting off a finger. It's a ritualized sacrifice you dumb fuck.

>>717442765
>you'd immediately be shunned
by whom? you are just some rando blending into the crowd with your hands down.
No one is scanning hands, dude.
You basically only go out to assassinate people.

>>717442216
even a half-assed body search will scoop out your tacticool wrist blade mechanism, rectum knife clears

>>717442056 (OP)
Way I see it a Hidden Blade would have the advantage of not being something you can drop or be disarmed of and since an Assassin is constantly climbing around it allows for it to always be within reach for a ledge kill (granted it being activated via wrist movement means there's a risk of accidentally triggering the blade while climbing). You could also conceivably hide it under a sleeve for extra sneakiness if you forego the gauntlet (which makes it specially funny when Ezio disguised as a minstrel says he can't wear the hidden blade with it because it'd be too conspicuous when that should be one of the more proper uses for it).
Of course it wouldn't be as convenient as a blade proper for actual fighting, and it's ultimately about giving a video game character a recognisable identity.

>>717442969
>>717443041
>>717443046
Literally any motherfucking guard ever would be told to look out for that as a feature on people by their masters. Several Assassins have already been caught and killed, Templars are not morons and they're already aware of the Ass Brotherhood by the time the first game is out. "There's a religious order with an easy tell: they're all missing their ring fingers and all strap a blade to their fucking arms under their robes."

>>717442187
Kek!

>>717442765
you're vastly underestimating how frequently people lost their fingers back in those times
carpentry, farm accidents, even simple manual labor and shipping incidents with something as simple as a mishandled crate or barrel affording half of your dominant hand

most male laborers from the histories before machinery assistance died with about half their original stock of digits and toes and saw no wrong in it - they were just men made of firmer things than our softer times

>>717443273
If you think you can scan a crowd of people and quickly pick out who is missing a finger, you're retarded.

Doubly retarded if you think that's what they would be looking for instead of fact that they're all wearing a recognizable Assassin outfit.

alright smart guy, let's see YOU design an iconic weapon!!

>>717443374
Kid named finger

>>717443524
OK you take a longish stick and make one end of it pointy. It's called the spear and it's literally the most iconic weapon in human history

>>717442435
The blade was made without thinking about it at first. They never improved it until da vinci.
It was also to show dedication and solidarity with the leader who lost his finger using the blade to save his own life in an unsafe way and to prevent it from happening again.
It's more of a ritual and pre-emptive act than a requirement which has been a thing throughout ages. You do this so it's harder to leave the cause and to show dedication than to just do it for the lulz.
Now that it's explained to you do you understand the world building?

>>717443639
hmm but what if we reduce this cumbersome "spear" of yours to something more portable
something with a short hilt and a manageable blade that could be perhaps concealed in a sheath beneath one's arm or neatly within a coat
i believe we might be on to something

Tbh stabbing someone in passing on the street with a hidden blade would be much subtler than with a regular knive. To an onlooker you'd only be brushing their shoulder or pushing them aside as you pass by. Would be even less apparent with a poisoned blade, since the effect would take much longer to be visible

>>717442056 (OP)
HAHAHAHAHA just seen this on the main page, holy fucking shit thats so gay!

>>717443750
go back to sucking dicks on reddit

>>717443639
sounds FUCKING RETARDED man
who'd be DUMB enough to bring something like that to a battlefield???

>>717443721
>>717442435
also see >>717443374
this entire misconception is that somehow the assassins are the only ones missing any fingers in the era of peak manual carpentry and masonry - nearly every environment visited in these games is heavily featured in societal stone and woodworks that would have nearly half the populace missing a poker or two as a commonplace thing

perhaps that's the real issue with asscreed worldbuilding, is that it *insists* that these men and their missing fingers are some unique extreme given the setting

>>717443483
The "assassin outfit" thing I can handwave because most people wore flowy robes back then and really the only recognizable tell is the hood being a little pointy. It gets a lot more silly in other games where you could be picked out like a sore thumb.

>>717443721
I always understood it; it's dumb world building. But it's a pretty cool iconic weapon, so I get it. If I were designing a game based around a cult of assasins, a signature look and signature weapon would be my first fucking design pillars.

>>717443750
not sure if you're going for that but they literally did that in Odyssey kek

>>717443824
that's the joke

>>717443273
>"hey dude this order we never caught anyone from? that keeps getting away?"
>yeah?
>"so, we all have magic meta knowledge now that all those swift assassinations we barely saw were done with this special blade that went through a space where the finger is missing."
>woah
>"yeah so scan hands like a freak to find them"
>how did we figure this out if we never get a good look at them and live?
>"oh some fat retard made it up in his head and sent the info through time and space to us"

at last, I see

>>717443989
This. It's straight up a plot point.

>>717443918
>is that it *insists* that these men and their missing fingers are some unique extreme given the setting
when and where?

>>717444023
>Scan hands like a freak.
You underestimate the paranoia of people in power back then. This was the era of fucking food tasters because any given meal they were given could have been poisoned. It makes perfect sense that in a party scenario, for example, a templar might simply say something like "pay mind to everyone's hands as they come in." Obviously on the streets you're not going to immediately start chasing a dude missing a finger.

>>717444023
>we never caught anyone from
They did kill Malik's brother, though.

>>717443374
Why the fuck are you lying, you piece of shit?
Do you know why people lose their fingers? Machinery. Rotating parts. Presses.
Do you subhuman even know how shit got transported back then? You don't.
You're a lying cunt.

>>717443919
I don't think it's dumb, many cultures do shit like that.
Hell you get tatted in the Yakuza to show your dedication and so that you can never leave the Yakuza. It's basically a death sentence if you leave because you're always seen as a criminal and they can identify you. and deal with you if they want to

>>717444219
it's okay anon, i can tell from this post that you've never set foot in a woodshop before
you really aren't missing out on much, but you're doing the 'confidently incorrect' machismo over a silly thing

>>717444170
>"I GOT ONE I GOT ONE"
>what?
>"I FOUND EL ASSASSINO!"
>how do you know-
>"look dude his hand"
>thats Jeffino Smithano the blacksmith. he is missing 3 fingers from his idiot apprentice's fuckup
>"bu-but fingers"
>half of our tradesman and soldier are missing random fucking fingers you idiot. YOU are missing YOUR ring finger from that cutpurse that got your sword hand with a lucky jab from his dagger!
>"oh...."

>>717444236
With the Yakuza you're intentionally trying to show that you're outside of society, it's specifically something people show off. It's like biker gangs in the USA getting tattoos on their necks; they're doing it on purpose to say "yeah, fuck you!" The true dishonor is missing fingers, that means you pissed off your superiors, and even other members will be more wary of you.

Meanwhile, the Assassins are literally supposed to be ghosts, the proverbial and literal "blade in the night" so being so directly identifiable, even if it is just a finger, is a little dumb. And I mean the writers agreed with me, they stopped doing the finger-cutting thing in the second game.

>>717444430
>"dude the finger thing is too obvious thats why they cut it"
>be assassin
>wear distinctive white clothing the entire game

no, they did that to show progressing technology.
like the fucking GUN they built into the blade.
and the TANK.

>>717444170
>be food taster
>have an undiagnosed gluten allergy
>massive stomach ache and diarrhea every time there's bread
>boss gets increasingly paranoid and ramps up security to absurd levels because he thinks someone keeps sneaking in and poisoning the food

>>717444428
People lost fingers way more with the advent of the industrial age. Missing fingers wasn't some ridiculously common thing like this one anon with his "trust me bro" historicity thinks it is. Not in the 1100s.

>>717444556
It's both. Not only is it too obvious, it really is just dumb. It makes absolute certain you can't infiltrate high society. Especially after centuries of the Assassins being well-known and hunted by the Templars. Also, what uniform? Ezio can dress however you want, in all sorts of flamboyant renaissance colors. The "uniform" just looks like aristocratic garb to anyone not in the know. How long has it been since you played AC2?

>>717442056 (OP)
In a time before fingerprints, wouldn't the best move for an assassin be to use a normal knife and then drop it at the scene instead of keeping the murder weapon strapped to your wrist?

>>717444430
They didn't agree with you they did it to show they were learning and progressing, the original reason they were cutting it off was for their own safety. It was better to lose it now than later in a fight.
I wouldn't say it's the pinnacle of world building they couldn't figure out how to move the blade further from their arm but it's accurate to how archaic societies work and think where they probably shunned people even thinking to suggest it before everyone decides this actually sucks why are we doing this.

>>717442056 (OP)
Maybe they were just *that* confident that they would never be subject to a search or otherwise need to dispose of their concealed weapon in a hurry.

>>717442765
To be fair, Altair mentions how conspicuous missing fingers and living in a fortress can be.
Still kept the bitchin eagle hoods but that's non negotiable.

>>717444724
>Not in the 1100s.
You are a retarded nigger.
Disease, frostbite, combat, tool accidents.
amputation was the easy answer to fingers getting crushed.
If a body part grew sick you cut it off and prayed you would survive.

>>717444724
>wearing all white and still being unrecognized is only a video game mechanic when it hurts my retarded argument
ok nigger.

>>717445145
>Frostbite.
In the fucking Holy Land? Deserts get cold but come on bitch.

>>717445420
>Wearing all white when almost everyone else is wearing all white.
Yeah that's literally even a mechanic, you fucking ape. Blending in with the crowds and monks. And in the second game, you're just blending in with very exaggerated renaissance-era queers by wearing fancy ornate garments. The eagle point on the hood is the only real tell.

>>717445749
>cant argue about disease, combat, random crushing
>"ur wrong lol frostbite inna desert lmao"
I accept your concession.

>>717445929
Because people did lose fingers? I'm not saying it didn't happen. It just wasn't this insanely common thing where everyone and their uncle lost fingers. Fucking leprosy still exists today. And yes, I stand by that the industrial revolution, like many things, drastically sped up how and when people lost digits and limbs. It's way harder to lose a finger with a handsaw then it is an automatic table saw.

>>717442056 (OP)
Whats wrong with carrying a knife in a pocket?

>>717446083
>"stop noticing how I was completely fucking wrong about amputation"
>"I was right about my irrelevant argument, lets focus on that!"
Yeah no. You were wrong.
Combat and accidents results in damaged fingers.
I don't care about your bitching about shit in the 1800s.
We are talking about the 1100s.

>>717446103
license status?

>>717446403
Yes they do retard. If you smashed your finger with a hammer right now and it crushed the bone to where it couldn't be recovered, you'd lose that finger. It being more common than today doesn't mean it was incredibly common. It would still be something any person in a position of power would tell their guards to be wary of. It doesn't mean it's an immediate five-star wanted level, it's just simply conspicuous. Especially that the Templars know that it's a ritualistic thing. You're being the autist here, buddy.

>>717449497
arming was one of the most hazardous occupations, with injuries from animal assaults, falls from ladders, and accidents with tools like scythes and plows being common. Similarly, craftsmen using saws, hammers, and other hand tools would have been at a constant risk of injury.

You are a soft, over-privileged midwit who has likely never operated any significant form of manual labor around blades or heavy objects

>>717444170
tfw no poison taster GF

>>717451367
I'm a carpenter by trade lmao.

>no Sedgley OSS .38 assassin
0/10

>>717445749
Gotta say, considering the clothing people wore in the Renaissance Ezio's garb isn't even that loud

>>717443242
These were all worn under bracers. They blended in with then and thus were hidden.

>>717442056 (OP)
Rule of cool. You unfun faggots are what ruins fantasy

>>717442765
You know nothing of history or the setting

>>717442056 (OP)
>yes I'd like the assrape in prison for a long time starter package illegal knife

>>717453137
No one wore bracers unless they were looking for trouble. Imagine going to a Walgreens in a plate vest

>>717442687
>Crotch area beeps from the metal detector
>Security searches your waist with a hand detector
>Beep on the butt
>"Sir please come with me to this secluded, closed room so i can "search" the ass that's wasting my time i could spend rolling gacha"
picrel would be your husband or SM partner anon
>t. Private security
>You don't waste my gacha time you dirty slut

>>717442056 (OP)
Literally for the ritual. They used other weapons beyond the wrist dagger.

>>717453297
>History
Nigger, you can blend in in those countries by wearing a white sheet RIGHT NOW.

>>717442056 (OP)
Aura farming.

>>717453459
>Metal detector.
AssCreed is mostly pre-electricity, friend. The anus blade stands undefeated until the advent of the mall cop.

>>717442765
yeah imagine if only yakuza had tattoos for the most part, they'd stick out like a sore thumb

>>717443807
>just seen this on the main page
The what now?

>>717443374
how did they play vidya without all their fingers?

>>717453684
>Implying localizing their tattoos to their backs doesn't make them largely hideable in polite company.
>Implying their tattoos aren't fucking meant to be seen as a means of intimidation, like biker gangs or mobs that wear certain uniforms.
>Implying fucking mafia niggermongering protection rules should apply to assassins, who are basically supposed to be silent invisible proto-ninjas.

>>717442056 (OP)
Required wear for surviving in modern day Great Shitstain.

>>717453742
Same way Tony Iommi played guitar without all of his fangers

>>717444219
you're actually a retard

>>717442056 (OP)
>perfect pose and box to start playing knife game for internet dibs
>just stabs the table a foot in front of his hand
Pussy
Knifes cool though

>>717449497
>If you smashed your finger with a hammer right now
hey retard, we are talking the 1100s
not "now"
stop trying to drag the goalposts around when you already fucked up.
>>717452610
>modern carpenter
congrats you know practically jack shit about how shit was done 900 years ago, thanks for confirming you are a midwit.

>>717442056 (OP)
>hidden blade comes out
>spins several times
>cool flourishes bro
>catches a bullet while playing whirly blades

>>717454232
>Moving the goalposts.
You don't know what that means, because if you did, you'd realize you've been the one doing that.

>>717451367
blue collar is filled with retards from low skill to high skill.
don't take him talking about being a carpenter in his reply to you as anything serious when we are talking about 900 years ago shit.
if he went through classes for L&I licensing requirements he will also at some point have been given a bunch of shit about how dangerous the industry used to be in the unregulated era and that will be dominating his pea-brain.

>>717453632
>Asscreed world building
>Maguffins of eden
Templar mall cop it is then butt knife anon.
Just imagine the primordial shitstorm he would unleash for disturbing his organizations millennia of gacha pulls.
>Finally, this anime girl with a .000000000000000432 can be pulled after 1000 years on the smartphone of eden
>generations of headmasters have entrusted us mall cop templars with this duty
>they can finally complete the coleliction before the not aliens shut down the servers
>Butt knife anon passes the magical templar metal detector
You would be a full on concubine alongside your children and their children and so on.

>>717454307
>no you!
no, you.
We were talking about losing fingers in the 1100's.
You couldn't say shit about it, so you made it about the 1800's
you got laughed at by the other anon and me, so you tried to make it about the 1900's
you tried to make it about being noticed, got thoroughly stomped on that AND laughed at because of the white cloaks, so you moved the goalposts there as well and tried to whine about it being a game mechanic because in AC 2 you could "disguise" which was purely cosmetic.
You moved the goalposts the entire time and clearly barely remember playing the games.

>>717454620
>Cloaks.
Ha ha your skin is the color of shit. >>717453551

replaying ac2 and man ezio is a lot browner than i remembered him being
fucking italians

>>717455339
>fucking italians
it be what it do

>>717453742
They invented jRPGs

>>717442056 (OP)
>that noodle arm
every single time lmao

>be on the look out for a black man
Is enough of a descriptor today for a shoplifter yet somehow
>be on the lookout for for a man with a missing finger
is too generic

>>717453453
You're a retard

>>717455023
please, you are a carpenter.
90% chance you look over your shoulder for ICE

>>717443374
It was only like 60 years ago.