Thread 717469721

Tekken is about to get mogged.

Virtua Fighter is never going to be popular.

It was really funny of them to show this before T8's awful top 8.

What's "mogged" mean?

>>717469721 (OP)
Any game with a block button is retarded

>>717469872
btfo

>>717469721 (OP)
>>717469827
>>717469849
>>717469872
that woman is so flat

>OMG CHARACTER ACCURATE HITBOXES!!

Name a single time this marketing gimmick has actually worked out well

Looks like a looser Yakuza brawler, except worse and with no weapons or heat actions.

Is Virtua Fighter worth getting into if all I've ever played is Shenmue I and II?

>>717469827
>muh popularity
>muh steamcharts
It's sad that this is literally the only thing SF and Tekkenfags have to fall back on. Even they can't pretend like their games are any good.

Isn't not-Samus supposed to be the sexy character of Virtua Fighter? Where's her tits and ass?

>>717470243
good luck finding a match on discord then

>>717470268
VF doesn't have sexy characters

>>717470243
I didn't mention steamcharts even once but I'll concede since I did bring up popularity.
VF is just a minigame in Yakuza games.
5 Revo was 'remastered' with a budget of like three dollars and a huge flop. They couldn't even make a good main menu.
Now they're making a VF6 and it looks like shit.

>>717470380
And that's a issue.
They barely have characters at all.
In a already niche genre, VF is niche.

>>717470557
They just need to put other Sega IP characters. Put some of the Yakuza and Shenmue characters in VF. No reason not to at this point if they want it to do better.

>>717469827
On the contrary
Fighting games are in such a dire state, it very well might finally have its time in the light, especially if Bandai doesn't fix shit soon

>>717470878
Wasn't that what they said about Fatal Fury? "All the other fighting games are shit right now, you can swoop in and steal all of it!"

>>717469721 (OP)
her ass needs to be about twice as big if you want me to be interested

>>717470878
people were hoping for the same thing with cotw

>>717469721 (OP)
completely unremarkable. the grounded martial arts style i do like but, visually, sexually, aesthetically this is shit

>>717469721 (OP)
notSara's flatness is hostile to the player

In my opinion is a bad choice showing that hyped trailer from months ago and now this one in the fucking training stage even if the animations are still looking good.

>>717470878
Brand power trumps all anon.
>SF6 is dogshit and is the most popular fighter right now
>T8 is super dogshit and is the most popular 3D fighter right now
>MK1 was transcended dogshit and it still sold millions

The new Virtua Fighter could be the best 3D fighter ever made and it would still only sell like 5 copies because nobody (and by that, I mean the US and Europe) cares about VF in 2025.
t. SNKfag

>>717469721 (OP)
>implying Michael Jackson would ever lose

>>717470242
not really, it is about analyzing frame data and thinking several steps ahead of your opponent

Will Kiryu being in the game (it's inevitable) help boost its popularity

>>717469721 (OP)
What's the point of developing fighting games in 2025? The game will have triple digit concurrent players after a month if they're lucky.

>>717469721 (OP)
tekken was never good

I want vanessa to become even whiter until she's an albino by VF7

>>717469827
FPBP

>>717469827
True
>>717470243
Nobody brought steam charts up but you. Go and ask CotW how it's doing and tell me VF is going to be any different.

>>717471390
that trailer wasn't actual gameplay, it was just a showcase they made for one of those nvidia events

>>717470243
There's nothing that the FGC enjoys more than shitting on less popular franchises before going back to playing games they don't even like.
Also for some reason they really want to convince everyone that all fighting games are dead except for two.

>>717470243
SF6 is fine. It's not incredible but it's not offensively awful the way you're implying it is.
T8 on the other had sucks nigger dick. I hope Harada chokes the next time he swallows.

>>717471467
kek you've been completely mind broken by your own unrealistic expectations. literally the only thing SNK needs to stop selling like shit is better animations/aesthetics, they would rather die than make a game that doesnt look like shit. lucky for VF it doesnt look cheap or low budget, nice animations, nice environments, somewhat dry but high quality character models.

It may not sell 10+ million but if its genuinely great word of mouth can carry it

>>717472664
nta but you can't call a SNKfag delusional and then act like VF has any kind of chance at success.
Pot calling the kettle black and all that.

>>717469721 (OP)
I cant remember the last time I was this excited about a game.

>>717472664
How is VF5 Revo doing right now anon?

>>717472664
>you've been completely mind broken by your own unrealistic expectations
>(Virtua Fighter) may not sell 10+ million but if its genuinely great word of mouth can carry it

>>717472636
>SF6 is fine.
lol

>>717470072
Dont care. Punching the air or kicking the air a whole 6 inches away from a person's ass yet launching them high up in the air for a long ass juggle combo is the stupidest shit to ever spectate. All while people cheer like chimps saying AY THIS BE SOME GOOD ASS TEKKEN

I fucking kek at the ridiculousness of how serious people take that game

>>717469872
In a side by side between two people or things one of them is so much more attractive that the other is made to look ugly by comparison despite being average in a vacuum.

>>717472664
What? Did KoF XIII not teach you that following your own advice doesn't work?

>>717472636
Being "Not as bad as Tekken 8" is not an accomplishment.

>>717469721 (OP)
>about to

>>717472798
There's only 3 fighting game IP that are fun enough to transform a person from a fighting game agnostic to a fan of the genre without them having some severe form of autism. SF, smash and VF, I dont even say this as an OG VF fan but as someone who came to it after playing every other 3d fighter. It already has the mechanics for mass appeal, it used to be incredibly popular, like all fighting games it has to look good, prior VF doesnt look good, the characters are boring.

>>717469895
sounds like you might be the retarded one, anon. thats like saying "SF doesn't have airblocking therefore airblock is useless to a Sigma Male Twitter FGC Member like myself"

im genuinely surprised, are there people excited for this? With how big sf6 was, I figured grounded non flashy neutral based games were a meme

>>717472664
SNK put so much work into the look of KOFXIII that it ruined KOFXII and nearly killed the company because of how shit it sold compared to all the effort and money that went into the graphics.

>>717469721 (OP)
>Fighting games in 2025
Nobody plays this shit genre anymore, gramps.

>>717473286
Blanka is so retarded

>>717469721 (OP)
Virtua fighter is the epitome of what 'fighting genre enthusiasts' want. Generic/boring style with in depth gameplay. Yet it always fails. Says a lot I think

>>717470878
>>717471107
don't forget this is how tekken became extremely popular. It took sfv being ass at launch to give another game a chance. They've admitted that they need to go all out now since this is the perfect chance. Interesting timeline.

>>717470243
Cope. Everyone knows you NEED popularity to keep a fighting game alive.

>>717473509
lol, you're retarded if you actually think blanka is the problem, the real reason sf6 is shit is because of results based retards like you that don't actually remotely understand the balance of the game and so capcom never feels any pressure to actually do anything meaningful

>>717473580
Tekken gained popularity long before SVF lmao

>>717469721 (OP)
I think it will succeed greatly. No one expected Guilty Gear to be as large as it is now and I think the same will be true of VF6. It's coming out at the right time.

>>717473231
I remember as a 16 year old kid getting into SF4 seeing kof13 and thinking that game looks old as fuck, 720p??? shitty hit effects?? no thanks. It was only when I was in my mid 20s that I looked back and understood it was actually a beautiful relic of an older era. The appeal of HD sprites wasn't mainstream in 2010, it only gained significant value through nostalgia of a lost art.

>>717473231
Those are sprites. There's a hard cap on what they can sell regardless of how good they look.

>>717469721 (OP)
so whats the point of making sarah not sarah when shes still the same bean pole as before?but akira is still akira?and where is gannon wolf?

>>717469827
>Virtua Fighter is never going to be popular.

Legit think you are correct. I don't see Virtua Fighter making a return. The series went real underground as such its one of the more forgotten series. Even Soul Calibur and Darkstalkers are better remembered.

Virtua Fighter has a better standing than Bloody Roar but that's NOT saying much. Think that even Fatal Fury is better remembered if only because of Mai Shiranui while not a single Virtua Fighter skank is well remembered, don't even bother mentioning Not Samus.

>>717473580
>don't forget this is how tekken became extremely popular. It took sfv being ass at launch to give another game a chance.
what retarded headcanon is this

>>717473819
Presumably it's part of the story. Stella here will probably Sarah's daughter or clone and play slightly differently. She doesn't seem to have any of Sarah's flamingo taekwondo shit for example.

>>717473561
fgc faggots want to abuse noobs and act like they have skill, its the real reason no new fighters ever make it.

>>717473418
yeah, and they released it in the wrong era. There was no nostalgia for sprite art at that time, the game just looked outdated. indie games didn't really exist beyond the handful of xbox live arcade picks so there was no ongoing retro art wankfest and AAA had completely moved away from that aesthetic.

It would be like making the most beautiful ps1 game you've ever seen 6 years after the ps2 launched. Nobody cares till 20 years later.

>>717473697
not even close. you weren't there

>>717469827
>>717471467
>>717473628
I mean it might not do a ton to bring in new fightan game players to the genre (assuming they’re not adding a bunch of guest characters) but fwiw I’ve never once had any desire to play VF until Tekken became such shit that I didn’t want to look at it anymore. I think you’re underselling the momentum that it has

VF bros what’s the game all about? It looks pretty methodical from an outsider perspective

>>717473902
Just narrativizing retards that dont actually exist in reality. Just a collection of memetic osmosis, no critical thought remotely to parse the truth substance of a claim

>>717473690
Yeah that too but I think Blanka, specifically, is also retarded.

>>717473936
but she looks exactly the same...its not like akira isnt shun age...

>>717474138
RPS and yomi

>>717474210
Yeah, I imagine Sarah will look slightly different. Like a different haircut or something. Or maybe she'll be dead.

I think Tekken and VF appeal to very different types of customers. People who like movies like IP Man do not necessarily look forward to Olympic karate tournaments or UFC. If VF gets some big UFC guests, it might get customers who haven't already expended effort into Tekken and Street Fighter, and might be bigger than either of them. EA hasn't been able to make anything of UFC possibly because of oversimplified mechanics. If Virtua Fighter can make players feel like they are their favorite UFC fighter, it could be huge.

>>717470380
VF INVENTED sexy characters

>>717474170
All the top tiers blend together somewhat. Blanka isnt broken, hes just the only character in the game that has ACTUAL setplay, and when retards (no offense) are surprised by actual setplay and mixes they freak the fuck out more than Ryu or Bison hitting you for 80% health because, expectations being subverted makes retards go crazy because they have no grounded principles or understanding to refer to to explain what they dont understand.

Blanka is like A tier if theres an S tier. But so are like a dozen characters

>>717469721 (OP)
but I need muh particle effects, no particle effects no buy

Kami
Muh
Fuggin
SIX

>>717474138
You're really overselling how much people are willing to switch fighting games. Tekken 8 had a shit launch, got shit updates, shitty battlepasses were added and was ultimately raped into oblivion by the S2 patch and motherfuckers are STILL playing that game.
If they're willing to stick through that river of piss, do you honestly believe that VF is going to get anything more than a passing glance from Tekken players before they go back to shoveling shit into their mouths?

>>717472947
I dont think its unreasonable at all to believe a genuinely great VF would outsell guilty gear strive which is even more niche than it and possibly reach 5 mil. The older games hovered around 2 mil, tekken is shit, DOA is dead, SC is dead, there's no competition. VF is also completely underrated and converts people on contact.

I do think its delusional for SNK to make a bunch of horrifically ugly games while competing directly with SF and expect to sell any copies. I also remember the collapse of SFV boosting the shit out of tekken 7 and they aren't even in the same subgenre.

>>717474480
Imo VF looks too bland, grey and realistic but no style

>>717473819
they saw SF6 doing this timeskip shit and wouldn't surprises me if sarah doesn't shows up at all.

>>717473936
Because that's what i fucking wanted, story on my VF

>>717474480
>and converts people on contact.
what is this meme? is it really true? 2nd time ive heard this in this thread, what does it mean?

>>717474442
this, the opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference
people rage because they care
everytime there's a billion angry cosumers of a (product), fans of (adjacent product) always think it's gonna result in a massive exodus and subsequent influx into their product, this never happens
see: unity and godot, and soon it will be mario kart and sonic racing

>>717474327
What the fuck are you talking about, there's nothing about VF that invokes UFC or the Olympics, it has always been martial arts, there's a billion east asian martial arts practitioners in the games and they literally said kungfu films are the inspiration, not gay sex ground wrestling.

The problem was tekken was a clone of VF and actually had exactly the same appeal but it with more flavour and so killed VF. tekken has now gone so far into the anime bullshit hole that it no longer has any of the original HK action film appeal.

>>717474590
The game is fun, its fun without grinding for 10000000 hours. There's a reason all the arcade boomers who are terrible at games love the shit out of it and there's a reason every single 3d fighter copied it.

>>717474480
>I dont think its unreasonable at all to believe a genuinely great VF would outsell guilty gear strive which is even more niche than it and possibly reach 5 mil
Don't hurt yourself like this anon.

>>717474823
Comparing even Tekken 5 to what Tekken is now is nuts. I'm not even a decent player but the aesthetic changes alone are striking.

>>717474823
>The problem was tekken was a clone of VF and actually had exactly the same appeal but it with more flavour and so killed VF
tekken never killed VF, sega simply stopped making them. May as well say mortal kombat killed soul calibur.

>>717469721 (OP)
Tekken is the worst major 3D fighting game series, no idea why it's also the largest. Soul Calibur, VF, and I'd argue even DoA are better

>>717474480
>I also remember the collapse of SFV boosting the shit out of tekken 7 and they aren't even in the same subgenre.

No matter how much people say this it isn't true.
Tekken has been selling gangbusters since Tekken 3. Literally all Tekken games inclusive critical failures like Tekken 4 are commercial hits.

>>717474565
well, I would hope the actual game would be less grey than an intentionally boring, black and white training room (it probably has the nicest training room I've ever seen in a fighter). Its a bit early to say what the actual game is going to look like. I think the characters are just as boring as every popular fighting game, they all have the same hyper realistic style, at least the new VF characters aren't tacky as fuck like tekken 8.

>>717471313
You again? Are you going to spam the board with five more threads where you samefag to yourself about how "compromised" Japan supposedly is because Stella isn't fuckable enough for you?

>>717469721 (OP)
This trailer perfectly captured how dull and uninteresting VF is from an aesthetic point of view. Two boring looking characters fighting in a giant, empty grey cube.

post them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVla-9GiKkA

>>717474395
Holy fucking shit. Is her ass really that big?

>>717475058
Tekken killed soul calibur too. You dont stop making games unless the sales figures begin decreasing, they decrease when the genre dies or when interest shifts to a competitor, which it did. There wasn't a single kid on earth who looked at tekken and VF and thought VF looked better.

Tekken now looks stupid as fuck.

>>717473936
not a good reason story is the least important element in games. in fact its not important at all and visual style and fun should always take precedence over the story.

>>717474395
Is there a version of this for the other characters?
Like Cammy or Kimberly?

>>717474395
And how long have you been a woman for, bestie?

>>717469721 (OP)
>VF5REVOWS, or yet another rehash of a 20 year old game, this time a rehash of a rehash of a 20 year old game... but with a Quest Mode knockoff that has you unlock what little amount of custom items they ported over from 5FS that were available at the start
>Switch port delayed, but it will still be a key card
>online still dogshit
>Le hecckin discount for 5US players
>OH MY SCIENCE A NEW CHARAnd it's Dural
>EVO champion is a trans vtuber
>VF6 looks even more sterile
>No bgm, instead there's "new" bad sound
>Slo-mo bullshit that no one likes but every fighting game has
>Stella is a safe version of Sarah with a man jaw and zero curves
>Colored hit sparks for the ultra casual market means this game will pander hard to them
>Everyone has guard breaks
>UE5 instead of Dragon Engine
>BUT LOOK, THERE'S BLOOD!!!!

>>717475346
>looked
everybody knew VF was more technical and the old fag game.

The teaser trailer looked really amazing and I was hoping it was actual gameplay, but this looks pretty different.

I will still be monitoring its progress.

>>717475248
to be fair most people wanted to see how the game plays, and they delivered by giving us literally just a fight, no bullshit, no music no voices no introductions, just gameplay
I'm sure they'll make ebin cinematic trailers when it has a fucking name and is less than two years away from release

>>717469721 (OP)
>All that hype surrounding the first trailer
>Closer game gets to releasing the more it just looks like VF5 Revo
Hate to see it.

>>717475114
it is, you either weren't there or weren't paying attention. I bought T7 too because I was homeless after capcom killed its fighting games and I fucking hate tekken. I also predicted the total collapse that T8 wold go through after playing SF6 because I knew the only reason T7 succeeded was due to a power vacuum.

pass

>>717475058
>sega simply stopped making them
They simply stopped because VF5 sold like shit and was getting raped by Tekken in the arcade and home markets.
The last time VF cracked the milly mark was with VF4 in fucking 2002.

>>717475346
>now
Looked stupid as fuck since T2 and Devil Kazuya

>>717475290
for me it's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsty8hXXYwg

>>717469721 (OP)
>mogged
Not a real word. This is a website for whites.

>>717475353
Reality has proven you wrong many times over by now.

>>717475317
Yes, that's just her swimsuit costume

>>717475461
VF isnt more technical, its actually easier to play and have fun with. Its maybe deeper and better designed but that isn't what is on a kids mind who just became an 09er and was looking for their first 3d fighting game. They want nice graphics, cool characters and nice animations, VF had maybe the most boring characters in the entire genre.

>>717475480
That's cope. VF's problem has always been it's lacklustre aesthetics and overall lack of charm and character, and this trailer did nothing to assuage those doubts.

>>717475514
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/rFthmDxYv6kJAzP4ZvMdsQ/
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/5vDmbtDbXkWOSSpdQOlIbw/
So how much longer will you spam the same images and doom about Japan over and over? Just play an anime game if you don't like the direction a realistic fighting game is going.

>>717475625
why is her face stretched like the bogdanoffs

>>717473819
New gen shit they always do in fighting games is so dumb and never works out except in Tekken but most of the old characters still returned in that.

>>717475480
>people want to see how the game plays
>lets showcase it in the most boring manner possible
What kind of marketing strategy is this?

>>717475485
Nigga I've been "there" since Tekken 3.
You're only a statistic that is ever present in the scene. People buy Tekken
They have bought Tekken since Tekken 3
They bought Tekken 4 while it was known for being dog shit.
They bought Tekken 6 the bob vs bob game.
They bought and still buy Tekken 8.

You just don't know you're just one data point of a completely normal trend of people buying Tekken

>>717475679
it's an evo trailer dude only hardcores are watching they want to see GAMEPLAY
if you want "charm and characters" wait a year

>>717474589
Lack of story and character is the primary reason VF has been unpopular compared to Street Fighter and Tekken and other fighting games.

>>717469721 (OP)
Great... the dude samefagging about Stella not being sexy enough for him is here. Fucking thanks for that.

>>717469827
Everyone said that about Guilty Gear. And tekken before that.

>>717469721 (OP)
I've been playing Virtua Fighter for 20 years at this point, and this just isn't what I want to see from the series. It's the kind of garbage that ruined DoA

>>717475736
>lets showcase it in the most *straightforward and direct* manner possible
makes sense to me
what's wrong, tekkenbab? not enough flashy lasers for you?

>>717475685
>Just play an anime game
not him but he is comparing it to the previous game.

>>717469721 (OP)
Just hoping they dont spam the slomo hit too much

>>717475625
Jesus she's pure sex. Got any more?

>>717474480
>and possibly reach 5 mil
m8 not even the Fatal Furyfags were this delusional

>>717475875
He's comparing it to 4 and vanilla 5. Both are pretty stylized.

>>717475803
Nothing's going to change in a year. You don't work on a game for years and magically produce interesting aesthetics and characters in year.

>>717475606
not true at all. any great game has great gameplay. there is no great game where the story is the best part and the gameplay takes a back seat. doesnt exists. however the inverse is true. Tetris for example. You have nothing but pure cope on your side.

>>717475808
? there is a story and lore, but is never the focus.
>SF
ah yes, the amazing story of ken doing crypto and bison somehow returning.

>>717470243
>favorite series is EarthBound
>became my obsession after Brawl
>from 2008 to 2015 I was smugly superior about muh quirky jrpgs
>Undertale comes out
>mfw

>>717475943
you're right, the only stage is the training stage
they didn't show a gameplay trailer at evo because they know what the evo audience wants to see, it's because there's literally nothing else
and those two characters are all there will be
in fact, why don't they just release it now, since it's already content complete?

>>717475842
>And tekken before that.

Tekken has been the most popular 3d fighting game since Tekken 3 in 1997

>>717476047
Bro I can literally see her asshole.

>>717474138
>what's VF all about

It's like playing chess with split second decision making. It's all about reads, mind games, quick thinking, etc. There's no such thing as being safe. Every move has a counter and momentum can swing in a second from one solid read. You can have your opponents health down to a few pixels and your asshole will still be puckered because of how easily they can flip the match around and demolish you if they get the right read.

I'm of the opinion that if you don't like virtua fighter then you don't really like fighting games because it's the most raw and pure fighting game out there.

>>717475770
im tired of having this same stale argument with the same retards. harada himself remarked on the strange sales trajectory of tekken 7, their EVO numbers went up after SFV shit the bed, no game GAINS popularity multiple years after they launch unless something weird in happening. Tekken 6 was on a downward trend, T7 momentarily reversed it and now were back on the same downward trend with T8.

>>717469721 (OP)
Padded room and trademark stale designs
Ryona shit lifted from Dead or Alive 6
Slowdown and Fatal Blows lifted from other RGG titles
Stella looks like Hunter Schafer
BUT HEY WE GOT BLOOD NOW AREN'T WE CINEMATIC AND MATURE

>>717476089
>hank hill joined the server

>>717475853
The fact that its giving you a boomer autism attack is probably a good sign for sales.

>>717476229
because that went great for DoA6

>>717476167
>Ryona shit lifted from Dead or Alive 6
the "ryona" shit from DoA6 (blood and sweat) was pure kino you fucking secondary
never post again you inbred

>>717476146
>no game GAINS popularity multiple years after they launch unless something weird in happening.

They in fact do. It happened with SFV even. They were just called Super Street Fighter 4 instead of being a dlc season.

>>717476323
doa killed itself when it became a stupid coomer IP, then they tried to remove the coomer shit and lost the only retards who still gave a shit. There are no lessons for anyone to learn beyond dont fall into the coomer hole because you cant get out once you're in it.

>>717474035
Nice try faggot. T3 is one of the most popular Tekken followed by 5. Shut the fuck up

>>717476092
They already showed off Wolf, and he's still boring as shit. Pretending as if casuals don't watch EVO so revealing gameplay in a grey cube is fine, that's pure stupidity.

>>717476323
DoA6 died because the gacha was already out and most 5LR """fans""" had jumped ship to it because they just wanted to coom
and despite that, 6 still has consistently more players

>>717475674
i'm no idea why are you going on a tangent about what kids want. The average faggot is happy just playing CoD, in fact, the less of those around the better

>>717476109
The problem?

>>717476394
Wtf you guys told me this game was censored???

>game apparently isnt even coming out within the year
>niggas talking about it like it has any upcoming relevance
da fuq???

>>717469721 (OP)
At this point I'm waiting for TGS since apparently that's where they'll talk about what's going on. The slow down in the footage appears to be more of a presentation piece than anything because what purpose would SEGA have to slow down Virtua Fighter? To go from being one of the faster games in the genre to try and ape Tekken would be counterproductive.

>>717476581
None. None whatsoever. What you're posting is fucking gold.

>>717476394
And how'd that work out for the series?

VF promo stuff looks cool. but I've no idea about any 3d fighter outside of playing them as a stupid kid.

Fightan game fans are pretty delusional about sales numbers. Fatal fury was gonna be almost as big as sf6. I guess the genre is small enough that theres no critical voice content makers and they're all on the payroll. And the fans are low IQ.

VF only has a chance at being a hit if it's cheap. With recent fighter releases it doesn't look like that will be the case. Prices are ridiculous, sf mk and tekken can get away with it because they're premier titles. Everything else should offer value for money. Fatal fury didnt. Big floppa

>>717475842
>Everyone said that about Guilty Gear
This. The whole Bridget thing has been an absolute dream for their marketing department

>>717476734
>sweat killed the series
hahahaahahahahahaha
this has to be the most deranged, schizophrenic argument I've ever heard lmao

>>717469721 (OP)
Only fucking game that exists right now that I legitimately have faith in and feel will be GOOD in the most meaningful way it can be. They are saying it's make or break and that they are taking a risk. I like to see risks, I want more risk in this God forsaken industry, give me a fucking risky game motherfuckers, I want to see it. So yeah I plan on buying it and I pray that if it is the will of God, if it isn't in the very nature of a videogame that it can't possibly be reasonably permitted to be good, for the good of anyone, therefore almost being cursed by it's nature, that God lets it be blessed. Pardon my abundant French.

>>717476572
were talking about sales and mass market success, not what a tiny group of boomers want. fighting games have waves of fans and they all correspond to a new group of kids getting into the new (not shit) SF then every other fighter benefitting from that wave of interest.

>>717473628
True, but people on the internet also vastly overestimate just how popular a game needs to be to be "alive". People throw the dead or discord fighter label around the second a game drops below 1k players on steamcharts, but anybody who actually plays fightan can tell you that you can still find matches almost instantly in many of those "dead" games.

That thinking is how come you end up with all those posts about how SF6 is the only fighting game you can play, because some people genuinely think that any fighting game that isn't mainstream posting 10k+ players 24/7 is only filled with 1000+ hour sweat warriors that will quadruple perfect you and then make fun of your little dick.

>>717473286
>Lost 40% of HP to throwloops

Capcom seriously needs to do something about this its fucking embarrassing

>>717470137
>Yakuza
Close it's actually Shenmue

>>717476847
VF4 actually looked kinda cool. I wonder what happened to that, Revo looks lame as hell

the director said in an interview that he thinks VF5 is the peak of the traditional gameplay and it's as far as he thinks it can be pushed, so they're going to try to "do something now" and they thought hard about "new ideas to add to the game" for the sake of "innovation"
I'm not hopeful bros

>>717476870
no, you were talking about sales.
I said VF was the boomer franchise of the 6th gen era, and everybody knew it was more technical, that was it's appeal, being more about skill.
Kids on forums were arguing about this shit, i know because i was one of them.

>>717477016
>"do something now"
*new

>>717476996
VF4 was more artistic and cared about imagery and backgrounds. VF5 realised it's players are tasteless fucks that only want to practice combos all day so just did a realistic looking game.

>>717475912
5mil sales over the course of 10 years of support for a hypothetical vf that is actually good which also releases in an era with no competition is not delusional. there is a desire for a good 3d fighter and nobody is filling it

>>717476996
Revo isn't the best looking VF but I think it looks pretty decent for what it is. The orignal version of VF5 was fucking gorgeous, and had a very tasteful flair to it, beautiful menus like VF4 too. VF5FS wasn't terrible in that regard, but it just didn't look quite as good and that's what Revo is based on. Still a great fighting game.

>>717476946
They won't. They only care about the jap feedback and japs are fine with it. The whole game is a joke.

>>717476898
>that isn't mainstream posting 10k+ players 24/7 is only filled with 1000+ hour sweat warriors that will quadruple perfect you and then make fun of your little dick.
this is true thoughever

>>717476996
don't listen to that other fag, it's because RGG can't do appealing humans to save their lives
vanilla 5 was stylized

>>717477173
I like the look of some of the Yakuza games though

>>717477171
The sad part is the game can actually be a lot of fun when you're not getting carried to the corner off of one hit confirm then throwlooped to death. When both players are going back and forth it's really fun.

>>717476828
The post was about ryona. But sure, let's change the topic to sweat or something.

>>717477041
yeah... that's the point, it was a boomer IP because kids weren't into it. kids weren't into it because it looked sterile compared to tekken. you're part of a tiny. irrelevant subgroup of kids who were browsing shit like Srk, the rest were buying tekken and SF.

I think this game looks fun but VF is a dead on arrival. Coincidentally, I think the only franchise that would have a shot at breaking the big 3-4 in fighting right now is DOA if they actually put together a new, flashy game.

>>717477316
what ryona, anon?
post it
where there girls vomiting after getting punched in the stomach and shit like that?
or is it that you're a little pussy secondary who cries about the tiniest amount of over the top violence in a series that had ryu izuna dropping people from 200 feet?
post the ryona

>>717477016
The fighting game genre is so fucking stale I'm desperate for any form of innovation that isn't just re-release the same game but make it retarded. VF is basically the only FG IP that could possibly innovate in an interesting way.

>>717477460
>they weren't doing these other things so it can't be true ryonashit

>>717477554
By... ripping off RGG and DOA6 and still looking bland?

>>717477603
post this supposed ryona and stop being a weaselly little faggot

>>717477671
I'm not the one saying a focus on the faces contorting as a foot or fist meets it isn't ryonashit, lil bro

>>717477642
well in that case it isn't innovating at all and I dont see why you're mad.

>>717477767
>doesn't post shit, just tries to "own" me with zoomer lingo
yeah, what I thought
last reply you'll get you dishonest evasive faggot

>>717477892
>dishonest evasive faggot
But enough about you, lil sis.
I'll let you go back to your totally-not-ryona now, since this is supposedly the last (you) you'll give me.

>>717476685
You aren't seeing shit at tgs either. The game is early and they drip feed like crazy, every time you see it it'll be 30 seconds of gameplay or a 20 second character reveal.

>>717477854
>haha u mad bro
>n-no u
I'm just saying they lied about not aping other fighting game tends

>>717478076
You dont actually know how to read, both my posts or sega's, there is no point carrying on with this exchange.

>>717478191
I accept your concession.

>>717478030
If we're lucky

>>717476946
Okay smartboy, what would you do to fix this?

>>717469721 (OP)
>live long enough every fuck game is catching up all feel saturated
fighting games can't catch a break for shit

>>717478030
they are probably 2 years from release. so 3 years in. production stars after most of the design work is finished. what you are seening is the core of the game. much will not change.

>>717474138
>VF bros what’s the game all about? It looks pretty methodical from an outsider perspective
It's an honest offensive game with its main gimmick being that it has no meter or gimmicks. It's the missionary position of fighting games and goddamn does it never get old

>>717469721 (OP)
I'm deeply bothered by how his hat doesn't fall.

>>717478030
That's not entirely true! There's also the 30 seconds of REVO shit and extra minute where they plug the World Invitational and random merch, followed by a dev interview and a vlog where RGG pretends to work on the game while they give meaningless platitudes about the game's legacy

>>717478521
its fake footage as usual, i dont trust sega with a ten foot pole...these guys are seriously brain damaged

>>717478687
what the fuck would be the point of the hat if it would realistically fall off 0.8 seconds into the fight you tard
it's obviously real gameplay you mongoloid, you can tell by some very shitty little things you would never fake

>>717478848
Like Stella clipping into Akira?

>>717469827
Good!

>>717478887
yes, especially moments like at 0:21 in the OP where akira goes for a grab and his hands go straight through her head because she just barely started punching
that's a very VF interaction that looks very bad when seen like this, you wouldn't put that in a fake video

>>717473467
fighting game boomers in their 50s could beat low test zoomer numales in their 20s to death with their bare hands.

>>717473286
Am I understanding this situation correctly? I don't play SF6.

Blanka gets one opening, forces his opponent to the corner, and then the rest of the round is just his opponent repeatedly guessing wrong on a coin flip?

this might be a fever dream but wasn't their a fighting game in 2000s where you could actually have your bones broken with cool x-ray effects and keep fighting?

>>717480000
You mean Mortal Kombat 9?

>>717479860
more or less, he does get another 2 blocks in. 1 of them he gets his ass grabbed again and another he seems to expect an overhead (beats low block) and gets another low

Im a platinum shitter. I'd tech the throw :)

>>717477327
>doesn't count because hurrr
Kids knew VF was harder to master than tekken, precisely the reason to both avoid and try it. Is like saying hard games don't have a public because they are tiny.
But alright anon, whatever makes you happy.

Sega always wins.

>>717469721 (OP)
Sega has to use Stella becausa Sarah was at her peak in Dead or Alive 5 and Virtua Fighter 4.

>>717473286
forgive me, I have not played 6.
but can you not just tech the throw here?

>>717469721 (OP)
That's tekken isn't it???

>>717478319
nta but make the tech window larger, it's that simple

>>717473286
How am I supposed to make some noise for this crap??

>>717480000
MK is the only gory fighting game. Thats like forgetting MK exist

Tokon will save the fighting game genre.

>>717481256
If you try to tech and guess wrong you eat life ending combo

>>717469721 (OP)
Woke

>>717478319
throw cooldown, older SF had this

>>717469721 (OP)
not with that menjaw females.

anon still samefagging about stella vf situation is dire unless this one guy can masturbate

>>717483613
because she isnt bimbofied goonslop with a fat ass like a nigger? kill yourself, people dont hate you gooners enough

>>717469721 (OP)
Honestly, first time Sarah has been hot in a while.
Usually they doll her up so much that she looks like a bimbo Samus.

Honestly, don't sleep on this one boys. I'm the same guy who predicted Tekken 8 would flop ( and it did) and that SF6 would succeed (and it did ), so I have a pretty good track record. :)

>>717484343
Capping this when VF6 inevitably fails. But hey, at least she doesn't look like a fuckdoll or anything.

legitimately hot as fuck.
They fucking nailed the Sarah Bryant aesthetics (not the bimbo version by DOA like this gooner is gooning to -> >>717481224)

>>717484459
Now post her boobs and butt. Wait, you can't. Because she doesn't have either.

>>717469872
>The word "mogging" is derived from the acronym AMOG, which stands for "alpha male of the group," and stands for "dominating another person." The word originated in the pickup artist community, who advocated mogging other men as a way to attract women.

>>717484501
she's got a tight yoga butt.
Boobs are for bimbos and she always had small tits.

she's tight in all the right places

>>717484632
>>717484705
Now post the side view

>>717484723
you fuck girls from the side?

>>717478476
>main gimmick being that it has no meter or gimmicks.
okay i'm interested, i'm tired of all these $60 arcade games expecting me to read a fucking manual on how the systems work when I just wanna punch someone in the face
SF6 might be the greatest offender because like half my matches i lose because the opponent can abuse slime rush better than i can

>>717484768
I said side view. And you clearly only fuck bitches on their backs with the lights off.

>>717484790
>i'm tired of all these $60 arcade games expecting me to read a fucking manual on how the systems work when I just wanna punch someone in the face
lol you have to learn a shitton to play VF, real fighting requires you to read more than a manual and that's what VF goes for.
https://youtu.be/UcWCzaY0UA4?si=1z4dPa-J2bfrDBIF&t=497

>>717470243
So you only play against bots?

>>717484834
don't change the subject.
This is the perfect evolution of OG Sarah Bryant. If you want to be a sideview gooner, critique another character that actually qualifies.

I tried this game. The characters somehow have more moves than Tekken...
Unless they cut the number of moves by 2/3 and remove the block button this game will flop hard.

>>717469827
Historically this has always been true, at least in the west, but Tekken 8 is such a terrible game that there's now a huge gap in the market for a 3D fighter.

>>717484979
I accept your concession

>>717469721 (OP)
this looks pretty goofy. I don't think this will do very well. If it's very lucky it might break 1M copies, but more likely it'll do way less

I don't think the FGC will particularly care either, it'll be like 6th in evo entrants

>>717475485
>You weren't there argument again
Were you? Seriously. Outside of fighting autism groups, Tekken is the popular fighting game for normies cause it's button mash friendly

>>717484979
Sarah in 5 appears to be even flatter than she seems to be in 6

>>717484947
just skimming but doesn't seem that bad, like yeah it's got depth but it isn't like 2 separate meters that can be used on like 3 things each that might even be context dependent like SF and GG have. seems relatively intuitive. i'm not saying my issue is that fighting games are in depth, my issue is that they're not really intuitive like say racing games or shooters are because they keep on tacking on this extra stuff that's kinda just peripheral to the whole punching and blocking thing that you literally have to open the guide to read what it is and what you're supposed to do with it, and all the ones that don't are like discord indie fighters (which are better but i cant be assed to try that hard to play a videogame)

>>717476828
Don't be disingenuous nigger

>>717476898
1k playerbase only works for places like america

>>717484343
Sure thing shill

>>717469946
Good

>>717475842
Guilty gear actually is a good example of a game finally making it big.
VF will die in a fire because They refuse to give ANY personality to their characters, not even subtitles (not that you need them since literally half their dialogue is let me show you *FIGHTING STYLE*) and they don't what the fuck a netcode is.

>>717478319
>Increase throw base damage but make it so throws push you at the same distance away as Zangiefs SPD
>Or make it so that throwloops are possible but it's like Elana's or Chun Li's where they have to DR back in if they want to threaten their opponent with it meaning they have to use a resource at the very least
>Or make it so that your throw invincible on wake up for 5 frames like almost every other fighting game
>Or keep throwloops but decrease the damage

Idk anon there's a ton of ways to fix it.

>>717471107
rhen fatal fury swooped in with the same retardo modernfightan slop as everything else anyway

>>717485510
And Japan.
And LatAm.
Really, it works for everywhere except for Europe for some reason. Those people do not seem to like fighting games very much since they always die there first.

t. used to live in Europe

>>717480000
There was an XBOX HUEG exclusive helmed by John Tobias after he left Midway called Tao Feng that I think might have had x-rays before MK put them in MK9?

>>717485639
I'll also add that the game will get fucking lambasted in the FGC as people are NOT ready for how fucking degenerate the offence and RPS is in VF

>>717469872
it's a word used by sad losers who are unable to live without thinking in hierarchy and submission.
in other words, it's for cucks and losers

>>717471570
This game literally didn't work on launch and even without that it doesn't fucking have sion
I don't give a shit about this series anymore and started playing uniel,sf6 and granblue

>>717473286
>jp players when they have to play neutral

>>717485884
Melty Blood fits in the genre of shit like DnF and HxH that everyone hype up as the next new game everyone is totes gonna play despite the games going to be evidently unplayable dogshit.

>>717484459
Lol ok you sterile fuck

>>717485858
>it's a word used by sad losers who are unable to live without thinking in hierarchy and submission.
To be fair those are literally the laws that have defined the natural world which long predated man's evolution into what we are now. We "should" be above that, but it's also one of those laws of nature that just exists whether we want it to or not. It may not exist to the same extent as it does in the wild, but hierarchy and submission is everywhere. It is woven into the fabric of society, and you're a fool if you don't see your place in it. Everyone here is in the submissive category naturally, as most losers here don't have an ounce of power they could even exert on a fly. Not that that's a bad thing! Some are desperate to exert that power...which leads us to the jannies and their ilk

>>717469721 (OP)
the proportions, rigging and animations are like 1000x better than SF6 and their botched graphics.
Is this Sega?

>>717471570
>steamchartstard
>thinks player retention in nonF2P titles is the most important metric for their success
based retard

>>717484632
>>717484705
>>717484768
the model is technically good. Modern graphics still suck because of all the grainy, fuzzy artifacts tho, particularly on the hair because these dogshit modern games can't render translucency.

>>717484979
>Ahh gooner gooner gooner!
Kill yourself freak

>>717485684
They just go down to their local football match if they want a fight

>>717485639
Not that I expect VF to be a big hit, but I do think they're trying to give the characters more personality. Akira's outfit has more personality than just guy in a gi does, even if it's a different personality, and the trailer announcing Wolf gives him much more personality than I ever saw in him on a surface level in past games.

>>717469721 (OP)
Lucharas por la libertad
Lucharas por el bienestar

I've seen people raving about this video and I don't get it. It looks just like VF5, with better graphics. Not that there's anything wrong with that or that I expected anything else, but if that was hype-worthy then people would be playing VF5, but they aren't.

>>717469721 (OP)
all they have to do is make feminine females and they win

>>717490357
They already failed on that front

>>717490392
guess I'll continue not to care about fighting games then
I guess I just find it funny how fighting games are so woke
of all the genres

>>717470072
That isn't how vf works at all you retard, that's closer to how Tekken works which it's why it's such a messy shit show, when you dodge in vf it's because you hard countered something and chose the right option

>>717490357
lel

>>717486382
>which leads us to the jannies and their ilk

>>717471570
Fighting games are easy to make. All you have to do is nail the fighting. There's barely any levels to make and people accept low rosters so you can spend a year on 3 characters and pass.
No story
No levels
No bosses
It's just a 1v1 simulator

>>717473769
It was still ugly ass cope shit

>>717470242
10/10 combat system and animations

>>717490867
SF6 changed that. Now people think that fighting games aren't worth the money if you don't invest a big chunk of dev time into some shitty side mode for people that don't want to play the fighting game part of fighting games.

can't wait

>>717490474
is because these gay ass tourneys are streamed everywhere and even shown on TV, so they try to make them as rating friendly as possible. Of course they accomplish nothing, but the dumbass execs are convinced their job matters.

>>717489548
Probably because it represents the evolution of a style of fighting game that no longer exists but everyone wants since it is the origin of all 3d fighters (who increasingly resembled street fighter in VF's absence). People generally aren't hype to play a 20 year old game, let alone a 20 year old fighting game so even if vf5 already looks cool nobody is watching.

>>717473286
What's the issue here?

>>717491384
grabs are super safe to do and turn the match into a guessing game. This happens in all skill levels.

>>717490474
Fighting games were always woke

>>717491132
Was Shiwapo the first transgirl to win EVO?

>>717491789
That's not an issue. Grabs exist as mixup tools because fighting games boil down to making "guesses". Without grabs you could just hold back or down back and wait for an opening. Especially if your opponent doesn't have an overhead.

If your opponent keeps blocking, strike low. If your opponent crouch blocks, you throw him. This rock, paper, scissor principle is what fighting games are built on. Grabs existing is therefore not an issue. There are not even throw loops in that webm. Mena is simply mixing his opponent up.
The grabs are being utilized as intended.

>>717491881
he's not trans, just weeb

>>717469721 (OP)
>playing fighting games post Gen 6
what are you black or trans?

>>717469721 (OP)
Woke Fighter, manfaced bitch

>>717492640
I think you were on your way to a gatcha thread and got lost, it's just down the road next to the weg thread

>>717492372
Why does "he" use a female VTuber avatar if "he's" not a tranny? He's in the closet like grifttubers Rev and HeroHei

>>717492903
ask half of /v/

>>717492308
nta the problems aren't that grabs exist, if that was the case you'd hear people pissing and moaning about that kind of stuff in every fighting game, the issue is that throw loops in SF6 favor the aggressor way too fucking much which turns rock/paper/scissors into rock/paper/gun.
The usual throw mix is in plenty of games and works as you described it, but in SF6 the problem comes when throws come out as fast as the do combined with the facts that the game lacks defensive options or thrown invuln on wakeup against the loop and the punishment that you have to receive for guessing wrong. In some fighting games they would remedy this by having throws cause tons of pushback so the attacker didn't have time to just rush in and throw again, in others you had more options like a fully invincible backdash, maybe you'd be fully throw invincible while waking up or just having more frames to tech. In SF6 once you get in the corner you're going to get throw looped and it's not like you make a wrong guess and take some damage to try again, you guess wrong once with something like a tech attempt that gets shimmied and you fucking die because shit like slime rush enables characters to murder off of pretty much any punish. This results in situations like that webm where the JP player is just going to default to "taking the throw" because every other option is so high risk it's best to just wait for the player to try something else then counter that.

SF6 is a horribly designed fighting game.

>Virtua Fighter

I'm shocked it's getting a new game in this day and age. It was never able to hold up to other fighting games like Tekken, Mortal Kombat, Street Fighter, Blazblue, Guilty Gear, etc.

I'm sure it has a fanbase/following, but not nearly what people think it has.

>>717475112
no sc is alot worse you dumb faggot

Hoping
>yakuzalite beatemup story mode - probably you play as one character and encounter the others
>they come up with more and more unique IK blocking animations for all attacks - this was implied by the concept trailer and there's some of that in the early gameplay
>they find more ways to incorporate gamey stuff without making it silly e.g. the injury mechanic leading to combos, the slowmo leading to punishes
>they polish the animations all over
>my boy goh back

fighting games finally saved

>>717469827
Good. Then it can avoid becoming shit like Tekken and DOA.

>>717470738
>Put some of the Yakuza and Shenmue characters in VF

Shenmue and VF share the same main character.

>>717476946
>>717473286
>>717477171
>>717478319
I don't play SF5/6/7 whatever number it is up to now, but didn't SF games allow you to tech out of throws for at last 26 years? Does that game simply not have throw escapes?

>>717478521
yeah, especially considering that even VF1 in 1993 allowed you to knock the hats off of characters.

>>717498156
>try to tech throw
>opponent shimmies
>punish
>your character explodes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8sHScwKaV4

>>717470243
>>717476082
I hate this so fucking much. My condolences Earthbound anon, I know how it feels.
t. old touhoufag who actually plays the games

>>717498156
You can tech. But it's a 50/50 on taking a bit of throw damage 5 times in a row or 2/3rds of your health in one combo.

>>717473286
does SF6 not have throw OS?

>>717473286
>throw loop that's preceded by slime rush low into a half screen corner carry
I still can't believe that this is the most popular fighting game right now.

>>717498782
so what, teching means the opponent is at a frame advantage and you get comboed anyway? what? or do you only have 1 frame for teching so you must do it in advance? I remember in SF4 or so you could tech out even after seeing the animation start as long as you had good reflexes, so you didn't need to just blind tech every time.

>>717499051
Well, you don't get comboed, but they are at frame advantage, so they can just continue their offence. You can delay tech, but many of these throw loops also have auto shimmy's that will again blow you the fuck up.
I say this as a shitter, but the pros all take the throws to the point of absurdity so delay teching must just not be very good in this game.

>>717498156
tech throws in SF is by read, not by reaction

new VF is great but I'd rather have a new Toshinden (original cast, music, designs, imagine it with the guilty gear like anime shading), or better, a new Power Instinct.

I mean that game has everything, it has young cute girl, monk, magical girl, native american, FOUR grandmas... who can turn into hot babes mid-game, a ninja, a muscular wrestler girl, Grandpa Hulk Hogan, a man in a furry suit, a cute princess, etc.
Whoever owns the rights (it's an Atlus game so probably sega) does not realize what an incredible hit they have if they just re-introduced it to western audiences.

>>717475485
>>717476146
you know both can be true, SFV boosting T7 sales and that Tekken was popular before SFV, even outselling SF in the home console market. I know NA is Capcvck central and refuse to play anything that isn't Capcom but there is no reason to downplay Tekken global popularity.

>>717499414
also:
all the cast is related, either by blood or marriage.

sure to be a huge hit now that the woke propaganda is pushing incest.

>>717475248
>>717475679
>>717475736
all the casual normies in the youtube comments seem to like it

>>717492620
where's the power bars
where's the slime??
BOOOORING!!!

>>717475842
can someone explain why amerifats think that Tekken was this super niche series nobody knew, eventho it is the most popular 3D fighter and even outsold Street Fighter on the home console market?

>>717476550
more news at TGS

>>717490357
She literally has no neck in Kekken 8.

>>717477016
The only thing they should add back is the instant replay from Virtua Fighter Kids, where certain moves, if they hit, got replayed from different angles (some moves just got repeated twice from different angles, longer moves only once etc). It was insanely fucking cool and combined with the sound effects it put the game as close to the oldschool hong kong fighting movies that they ever got.
But I'm probably the only person on the planet to still remember VF Kids.

That and I hope the game won't have retarded long ass juggle combos. Even VF5 had those. Game should be back and forth non stop, not oops made a mistake lose 50% health to a juggle.

>>717490357
>The power of Unreal engine.
They should unironically go back to the T6 engine

>>717498703
If you don't have at least 3 LNBs under your belt, you're as much of a clown as the secondaries.
t. new touhoufag who actually loves the games, not just play for some silly street gamer cred

>>717475625
>jobber still isnt as hot as Mai or Juri in her standard costume
lol

>>717469721 (OP)
>>717469827
I get that VF is probably not going to be popular, but if my choices are between
>High population but has shit like >>717473286
or
>Low population but the gameplay is actually good

I'm gonna pick the latter every time. I haven't played it yet, but I'd rather wait a bit longer for matches in Fatal Fury before I'd ever touch SF6 again. Same goes for the new VF and T8.

>>717469872
why is so much of 4chan filled with newfriends these days?

>>717485684
>Really, it works for everywhere except for Europe for some reason.
Disagree, Rollback in these few years made lot of games far more playable in EU compared to a a few years back.
Offline scene is still nonexistent tough, thanks SmashFags and Kekken

>>717485684
SF6, Tekken 8, Granblue Rising, Strive seem pretty alive to me in Europe

>>717485684
sports slop is the go to party game here in europe. fightan had some presence 2 decades ago because tekken 3 sold well and playstation was the go to console but I don't think there was any kind of cultural change.

>>717500416
>Unreal determines your character's proportions
you niggers get more retarded every day

>>717492620
low poly costumes need to come back in vf6

>>717469721 (OP)
>no release date
>not even an official game title yet either
This isn't coming out until at least 2027. Looks cool but hard to get excited for it right now.
Tekken fans should be happy that it's coming instead of being perpetually asshurt for once because now Bamco can go back to copying it instead of copying SF which was partly why you ended up with Tekken 8 in it's current state

>>717469721 (OP)
Why did they make r34 Samus uglier?

>>717469721 (OP)
>characters still change stances
thank goodness. That probably means they're not gonna casualize the game too much

>>717485639
I feel like since VF4, most of the newcomers aren't even lacking in personality. Vanessa, Brad, Jean, El Blaze, Goh, Eileen, and Jean definitely stand out more than the earlier characters. It'd benefit from having some sort of in-game story not just confined to the instruction manual, and Sega's acknowledged that for this game

>>717504407
That's her & Ridley's daughter, Stella.

>>717470072
They were also in VF5

>>717476047
i never understood if /v/tards actually consider this game to be ugly or if it's just /v/ being contrarian. I think it's incredibly animated and has a cool style, and by cool style i mean the characters designs. I'm not even talking about the coomer stuff, the game itself looks incredible. It's a shame i don't like 2d fighters

>>717505080
It's detailed, colorful and well animated, the faces are just freaky and uncanny valley-esque. Also for some reason all of Capcom's games have this artstyle now.

>>717491132
man, Jacky looks so stupid regardless of the costume.

>>717469827
Tekken 8 is such a piece of shit that it actually might make it
I'm praying for VF to be good

For it's Kage.

>>717479860
He should have teched the third throw after the walk up. But besides that yeah he guessed wrong.

>>717469721 (OP)
>Implying

>>717500416
The whole setting feel changed, the soundtrack, the sound effects, the writing, etc, of course the characters suffered changes.

>>717506629
>Says this whilst posting a pic of T4 Jin
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!

>>717506084
tekken players only play tekken. Most tekken players who praise vf are usually posers who dislike the current state of tekken, but won't try another game

>>717471467
SF6 is good. Cope.

>>717469721 (OP)
If Virtua fighter can have these hitboxes then why can't Tekken?

>>717506727
you are describing me, t8 was so bad that I'm abandoning the franchise and am willing to play something else

>>717469721 (OP)
Virtua Fighter is probably the most boring out of the "big" fighting game franchises.

>>717474035
>t. Fetus

remember when dead or alive was a fighting game?

>>717505080
The way the characters are lit and rendered is pretty disgusting. It's not only that realism is boring, especially for an ip with a stylistic history like SF, it's that the lighting is objectively shitty and blown out which makes them all look oily.

>>717476581
The problem is that my tongue isn't in it.

>>717492620
is Jean a FTM or something?

>>717483350
Are those her pubes sticking out?

>>717469721 (OP)
Are VF characters all boring? I like Tekken because the cast is full of weirdos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NCp1BdWJG0

Virtua Fighter is powered by Nvidia technology

>>717484459
damn she's gorgeous. It's weird to have her and Akira at the same place because Akira's design still looks a little bit cartoonish while Stella looks like a real woman

>>717469827
Whoever delivers the most compelling fantasy wins. Racing sims are dry as fuck but beat arcade racers because the fantasy of driving a real car was more powerful than a toy rocketship with wheels. Hong Kong Kung Fu action is the ultimate fighting fantasy and nobody is delivering it.

>>717469872
It means "Ignore me, I have nothing of value to say"

>>717478357
well they already have at least 2 stages and 3 characters done, wouldn't be surprised if we had a beta in february-march

>>717507961
Visually? Yes, they all pretty plain looking in comparison to other fightan characters.
Gameplay? Hell no, some of the most fun you'll ever have is when you get a good grasp on someone and learn how to style all over someone with their shit. Even Akira has a ton of shit going on with his moveset even though he looks (or at least he did look) like the most generic karate man ever made.

>>717470878
This

>>717473286
>be capcom
>have chokehole on the FGC because "muh street fighter"
>people DESPISED throw loops in SF5, they managed to stand out amongst its other problems which in itself is an impressive feat
>bring them back in SF6 despite clearly listening to what people hated about SF5
>don't even let people have a crouch tech type OS to soften the blow or make the aggressor guess a little more on what the opponent will end up doing if they back off

Its so asinine of them, reminder to everyone ITT that EVERY game praised for having depth and nuance also has at least some minor defensive OS used at high level play. Doesn't need to be SGGK "do everything" level but being able to mitigate the risk of throw just opens the door up to so many cool character design options and mixup/pressure designs that just don't exist anymore because...there's no defensive OS to make any of them worth even creating.

>>717471896
With all these groids in the Sega ads I highly doubt it
I'm pretty sure these guys had to take banking Jew Money to stay afloat

>>717473286
This whole Evo was as filler as it gets

>>717474442
You are smoking dog dick if you think that social media is reality

>>717507332
I still play it sometimes. 5 LR is the most fun 3D fighter ever made.

Tekken was always mogged by VF except by the fact that it looks bland initially, and I'm sad to see they're doing the same mistakes again. Having cinematic close up and hurt also isn't VF to me.
I loved the series for a long time but this reveal is disappointing.

>>717509896
I'll just wait for DOA7 tbf

Modern fighting games are all absolute dogshit, what makes people think a new modern VF will be any different?

>>717471570
Lumina is a party game and shield is/was one of the single most aggressively anti-fun mechanics ever made holy fuck
>ANY successful shield instantly stops the game and turns it into a guessing RPS minigame
>You can do it constantly, recovery was a lot lower on launch and it shielded mids while crouching

Combine that with the hyper aggressive auto combos that made you do standing auto combos on crouching normals if you pressed them more than once and its easy to see why it is bombing despite only making free DLC fate/go characters.
Everyone winds up playing pretty bland because the system is just too strong.

>>717509812
nta but how is he wrong at all? Numbers don't lie and tekken 8 has a high number of concurrent players even though the game is trash right now

>>717509970
It's mostly about just having anything other than Tekken 8. Notice Sega announced the game super early, all they had to show was a pre-rendered in engine video. They did that because they saw the market is wide open with how absolutely dogshit Tekken 8 is, and it was a good move. They don't have to make the best Virtua Fighter, they just have to make a game that isn't as insufferably fucking trash as Tekken 8 which is a very easy thing.

Yep, and City of the Wolves completely destroyed and annihilated Street Fighter 6. It's totally happening this time. Tekken is dead for good

>another fighting game with such a high skill ceiling that there will only be at most 10 autists that play at a super high level and enter tournaments
>99.9% of normal players drop it
>game dies

>>717510194
>they just have to make a game that isn't as insufferably fucking trash as Tekken 8 which is a very easy thing.
Is it though? the entire industry is headed in the same direction as namco and T8, hell T8 is really just following the current trend.

>>717510194
soul calibur 6 exists and it's dead, and it's much better than tekken 8, so i don't think that helps your case. The truth is, there's no way to understand the public's preference. It's a gamble.

>>717502220
That's because PC was the actual go to gaming platform. Even if the people had consoles at home, PC gaming was always still present. That's why you have so many people nostalgic about Strategy games, Point & Click Adventures, Simulations, old school CRPGs etc. which the rest of the world couldn't care less.
Fighting games notably ignored PC as a platform, Tekken, arguably the most popular fighter in Europe, only came to PC with Tekken 7. Eventho Harada himself said that over 50% of Tekken sales still come from europe. They basically ignored a whole continent + arcade culture wasn't even a thing in a lot of eu countries, sometimes because of the government making them 18+.
It's no suprise that fighting games are not popular in EU, the actual funny part is why they have more main line Street Fighter Evo titles than the US.

>>717469721 (OP)
Man fighting games really aren't ever going to evolve are they?

>>717479101
>akira goes for a grab and his hands go straight through
she ducked

>>717510498
SC6 was a fine game but it released right before the pandemic and had awful netcode (worse than Tekken 7), so people tried to play it online and realised that shit just didn't work. Which led to namco quickly abandonning it and cannibalizing the staff to the Tekken team.

>>717510228
>such a high skill ceiling
Nowadays that just means having a fighting game that requires an IQ level above 5.
You've got modern fighting game players getting filtered by fucking breaks in CotW, there's no hope for them which is why you're going to see way more stuff like Tokon and Granblue which aren't even going to pretend like they have any degree of difficulty.

>>717510569
They've been evolving into shit anon, we need to go back.

>>717510662
she's kicking
go frame by frame and his hands are fully inside her head
in VF you are immune to throws on the first frame of an attack

>>717469827
it doesn't need to be popular, it just needs to be good, something that nu-tekken and nu-SF are not.

the problem is that when the game has no meter or comeback mechanics, or explosions, etc, it's really hard for it to look good if both players aren't playing at very high level. Even the most skilled american vf players fights are a snoozefest. I can remember like, 3 or 4 fights this last evo that were actually entertaining, and they were all top 8

>>717508091
well the VF producer thinks VF feels more like Kung Fu fights than UFC.
https://youtu.be/8cc9t0fP3YQ?t=204

>>717510498
>>717510664
SC6 is trash just like Tekken 7, 8, SFV and 6

>>717511197
This is exactly why Virtua Fighter will always struggle with broader appeal - it's a game that demands you meet it on its terms. No cinematic rage arts or brain-dead comeback mechanics to bail you out when you're getting smoked. Just rock-solid fundamentals and tight decision-making. But yeah, that also means if you're watching two mid players play neutral for 30 seconds straight only to land 10 damage off jab punishers, it's like watching paint dry. It's pure, but purity ain’t always fun to spectate unless both players are basically gods.

>>717511245
That's the point, VF is now the only game trying to deliver the most compelling hand to hand combat fantasy. People saying it's too sterile and needs more magic wizard bullshit aren't getting that they are aiming for the sweet spot.

The best fight scenes are Jackie Chan films, even the best anime fight scenes, the shit in cowboy bebop or the taijitsu shit in Naruto are all directly referencing Hong Kong action cinema, when it devolves into superhero shit everyone falls asleep.

>>717511832
ohh ok my bad, understood it wrong

>>717511812
To be more specific, it's only boring if you're a casual viewer that's just checking in to see what this VF thing is. It reminds me of when I watch boxing with anybody that doesn't know the sport.
>"Why is the fighter jabbing instead of throwing heavier punches?"
>"Is someone going to get knocked out?"
>"How did that guy win the round? The other guy threw way more punches!"

Fun if you know the technicalities of what's happening, but to an unknowing viewer it's just going to look like 2 people walking in a circle for a while will occasionally slapping each other.

>>717469721 (OP)
>hyper casuals in yt comments and social media praise it that it looks clean
>/v/ says it looks too boring and needs more special effects
maybe /v/ was the zoomer tiktok brain attention span shitter all along

>>717512778
Hyper casuals are not the ones watching a minute long gameplay clip on Virtua Fighter anon.

>>717511245
>realism
yikes....

>>717512934
I'm sure all of the people on the SEGA and ign channel are hard core fgc shitters
https://youtu.be/KkGmeofGSw0
https://youtu.be/XK-7WQpkpec
https://youtu.be/dfG8XdOwPK8

>>717476323
DOA killed itself by focusing too much on the coom factor while ignoring the gameplay and batshit crazy lore fighting games have

>>717469721 (OP)
I feel like literally nobody cares. Its somehow even more irrelevant than a new SC would be.

>>717476946
Just tech the throw holy shit it's pretty obvious when your opponent is going to do one.

>>717511245
>innovation
>taking evade and rising attack from Bloody Roar and adding a slowdown effect from Tekken to them
Doubt

>>717513335
>all of the videos are in the 100ks
Not saying that the only viewers are top 8 EVO players, but if VF was actually catching the attention of the uber casual normalfags, the trailers would be pulling in Marvel Tokon numbers. It's still very clearly mostly people that play fighting games.

>>717473286
I still can't believe mena baited ever single amnesia and parry LMAO. made look like kakeru just spam that shit and it only work because everyone but mena forgot about neutral and shimmy

>>717473286
i like the part where he did walk up throw

>>717469721 (OP)
It won't sell more,but it definitely looks better,I'm still buying it over tekken

>>717493653
Shills like to pull the "it's still big in Japan" card with zero evidence

>>717513746
They have a total of a million.
The announcement trailer of Tokon has 2.8Mio on the official Marvel yt channel.
The reveal trailer of VF has 1.7Mio and the gameplay concept has 1.2
https://youtu.be/IKSopFc-DaE
https://youtu.be/pmeGL2JP9N0
https://youtu.be/6fbfrV5qqnU
I don't know, seems really disingenous to say casuals are not watching this and comparing a dead series for 20 years with Marvel.

>>717469721 (OP)
This lacks oomph and energy. Tekken remains unbeatable i'm afraid.

>>717507823
No, just a visual kei ambush

>>717493653
lmao lil nigga tried to sneak arcsys kuso in there LMAO

>>717469721 (OP)
this looks nothing like the teaser trailer in fact it looks just like VF5

>>717472121
/v/ can't read please understand

>>717514451
it does look like the game awards teaser trailer tho

>>717469827
With this game it will be, but that's besides the point as far as quality goes. I beleive this game is going to be as pupular as it needs to be.

>>717469895
Why do people say this retarded shit?

>>717473153
pressing a button and not hitting because you werent precise enought in thisimprecise game with that imprecise controller will always feel like shit
but I guess it's the difference between playing and watching someone play

>>717469895
Do you even know why people dislike block button or are you just parroting shit you don’t understand?

>>717490571
Both Tekken and VF use the same hitbox/hurbox bubbles

>>717504857
No they weren't

>>717514956
It doesnt matter what they use, tekken relies heavily on them and VF doesnt because the RPS counters in VF are clean. You guess right in VF you dodge, you guess right in tekken and you pray you dont get hit by stray bullshit.

>>717515273
>and VF doesnt
it does

>>717469721 (OP)
>zero sidesteps
So it's all just constant strings with baked 50/50s in them? Woah............

>>717509970
>they’re not obsessed with the idea of trying to appeal to everyone, unlike any other modern fighting game rn
>they’re promising something new and innovative
>Sega has been letting them experiment for the last 5 years with VF5 US and Revo
>VF as a system throughout the series’ history has been very pure and fundamental, something that’s really missing currently

>>717510498
>>717510664
SC6 was absolutely garbage and deserved to flop

>>717501575
it's summer bro, all the kids outta school

>>717515632
>they’re promising something new and innovative
I've seen enough modern fighting game "innovations" to be worried about this bit.

>>717469895
block button is better than holding backwards

>>717515331
No, it doesnt. The importance of hitboxes in VF is about the same as a 2d fighter, I just have to know what type of move it is, the general ranges then counter with the correct type of move. Tekken isn't like that because every character has a billion edge cases and the overall system is muddy, when the character moves are a bunch of bullshit thrown into a blender you're forced to highlight accurate hitboxes as if that's exciting and not random hyper complex probabilities that happen beyond a players comprehension

>>717469895
nigger

I wonder what kind of voice acting there will be for english speaking characters: bad (a.k.a. good) or good (a.k.a. bad) voice acting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjxXcibVTew

>>717469721 (OP)
What's with the hitsparks?

>>717469827
Fpbp

Game just looks like faggot shit. Faggot franchise for faggots who like faggot shit

>>717516068
you are an idiot and not only are you clueless about VF but fighting games in general

>>717516158
I've noticed you've said absolutely nothing of substance in the multiple replies you've made to me.

>>717516158
>no you are actually wrong but I won't explain why, I'm right and you have no idea
>repeat the whole thread
wow nice argument

>>717516158
nta, stop embarrassing yourself faggot

>VF threads
>Lots of anons talking about VF
>No VF lobbies

makes you think

>>717516465
VF was never good

>>717516298
>>717516383
>>717516413
stop samefagging retard its embarrasing

>>717516068
nigger have you ever played a 2d fightan?

>>717516465
Nobody plays Virtua Fighter
Nobody plays Fatal Fury
Nobody plays Blazblue
Nobody plays Killer Instinct
Nobody plays whatever other literal who dead fighting game franchise you can think of

You're either playing Street Fighter, Tekken or you don't exist. Simple as.

>>717516647
He clearly has never played a fighting game in his life, don’t waste your time.

>>717476471
Have you played DoA1? It started as a coomer IP. But later titles in the series also had interesting stages and a satisfying hold system. And the fights are nice to look at, even DoA2 and 3 hold up pretty well.

>>717516709
>Virtua Fighter
i do

>You're either playing Street Fighter, Tekken
no im not

>>717469721 (OP)
Would it kill them to add some sex appeal though

>>717517053
> i play video games to jerk off
go watch porn

>>717516647
lets analyse why 2d is different in this specific scenario so you dont get hung up on autistic semantics, expecting an autist to think like a human is a mad mans game. There's slowdown in both tekken and SF but the tension is completely different, when 2 SF6 Splatoon moves are closing in on one another it isn't really a question of if the move will hit because the range is massive and the hit boxes are huge, its purely a question of timing and who pressed it first. When a slowdown moment happens in tekken its also question of if the move will even connect based on exact positioning. If you introduce slowdown to VF its not like tekken because if a person guessed correctly they will always win, it then becomes a question of timing the same way it is in SF.

>>717517317
Holy shit you are retarded, stop talking

Is there any chance this game is good? I always wanted to play tekken because it looks cool but i don't enjoy the gameplay loop of
>someone gets hit by a launcher
>gets juggled for 45-55% of their healthbar
over and over until someone wins multiple maps
combos aren't fun

>>717516814
Cool, I'm sure you and the 5 guys you play with have a blast with VF, but you're still largely irrelevant to the fighting game landscape.

>>717517497
>but you're still largely irrelevant to the fighting game landscape.
Who cares

>>717517317
again, have you ever played a 2d fightan?

>>717517552
>Who cares
The people that make fighting games. They're not going to make games for an audience that doesn't exist.

>>717517632
Tell that to SNK

not with that goofy as bound animation

seriously i dont understand the aim here. they do no fx, no screenshake, no anime stuff, which is all cool

but then when characters actually get hit and launched they turn into looney tunes characters

>>717517632
*gasp* Oh noe! they aren't going to take a series I love and turn it into modern fighting game slop!

>>717516753
>doa 1 roster: 7 males, 4 women
>coomer IP
nope, it was just a fighting game with fan service elements, at some point the main and only appeal became the girls.

>>717517428
5 billion posts, still no argument. nobody respects idiots who pretend to have access to knowledge they cannot express. It is the go to argument of a moron who wants to disagree emotionally but cannot form any thoughts beyond that.

>>717518019
>Say something retarded and asinine
>Expects some deep response to his shitpost
STFU retard

>>717517615
why the fuck are you showing me hitboxes as if I dont know what they are, use your words retard.

>>717517858
You can either have it be modernized or you can end up like SNK as >>717517698 mentioned and release your game to an adoring crowd of tumbleweeds because nobody actually wants an old era fighter nowadays, no matter how many hardcore fgcfags cry about it.

>>717515632
>>they’re not obsessed with the idea of trying to appeal to everyone, unlike any other modern fighting game rn
Yamada said the exact opposite of that. They're making the game look so good that it catches the eye of everyone around the globe. Watch his ign interview. They want to make vf a big hit

>>717518104
>youre so stupid I could argue with you if i had the time and energy but i dont, also i have the time and energy to read every single post you made and track the argument for 30 minutes while replying 20 times
yeah yeah fuck off moron.

VF revo was fun as heck even though I am the biggest noob ever at it. I just hope they reduce the movesets CONSIDERABLY so not every char has 500 moves each. It's very intimidating for my noob heart.

>>717518206
COTW was modernized slop and played nothing like an old era fighter or even like MOTW.

Either way I'll take a small player base of modern shit any day of the week.

>>717469872
I really don't get questions like this.
Do you just completely lack context clues?

>>717474138
>ve never once had any desire to play VF until Tekken became such shit that I didn’t want to look at it anymore
Thats where I'm at now. If this is even halfway decent, which would be a significant upgrade over T8, I'll gladly play it.

>>717518376
CotW didn't modernize shit. It looks and plays like a fucking PS3 game.

>>717518328
They dont need to reduce them, they just have to highlight which are important. Having to look up a guide or a YouTube video to determine which ones to ignore initially is retarded. if you like the game enough and stick with it past the basics you will then appreciate the extra moves.

>>717518486
it looks like a PS3 game but plays like any other modern shit, hell it literally stole half its mechanics from SF6 wholesale

>>717518156
because hitbox interactions are important in 2d fightan, you fucking retard.

>>717518704
I never said they weren't you fucking moron. This is why I said expecting an autist to actually comprehend the point of the argument and not get caught up on meaningless semantics is a mad mans game.

look at how fuck huge the hurt and hitboxes are, the point of the fucking argument is the accuracy of those boxes is not the selling point, why are they huge and disjointed in the first place? because accuracy doesnt matter, they are tuned for simplified, comprehensible interactions.

>Enter thread expecting VF vs. Tekken shitflinging
>My main fighter is getting shit on a bunch instead

stop being mean to cotw guys it's fun

>people claiming that doa failed because of too much coomer appeal
>*looks at sf6*

>>717519961
>he's jerking off to blanka
weird gay furry.

>>717469827
This, but that doesn't mean it won't be good.
>>717470243
SF6 is decent for what it is. Reminds me a lot of 3 in the way that it barely resembles SF but it's a good game nonetheless.

>>717506702
T4 was the peak of the aesthetics, writing, sound, etc. Gameplay not so much but still not as bad as Tekken 8

>>717516068
>I never said they weren't
>The importance of hitboxes in VF is about the same as a 2d fighter, I just have to know what type of move it is, the general ranges then counter with the correct type of move.
notice how the hitbox on the following button drastically differs from the VFX
>they are tuned for simplified, comprehensible interactions
refer to this button again. the AA interactions vary wildly depending on positioning.

Call me a nigger tranny faggot indian newfag but given Tekken 8 is ass I'm just going to stick to Strive now. I was never particularly interested in 3d fighting games, merely SFV was painfully bad so I picked up Tekken 7 and then Strive. I've zero interest in trying out old or new 3d fighting games.

>>717501305
Good chance it ends up being low population and the gameplay is dogshit, but I want to believe they'll do a decent job.

>>717520250
That's like going from shit to shitter, but as long as you have fun it's alright. Just don't be an obnoxious faggot about it.

>>717520019
>By said logic, was gooning to male Tengu and Raidou.

>>717520241
Refer back to the point of this argument
>OMG CHARACTER ACCURATE HITBOXES!!
>OMG CHARACTER ACCURATE HITBOXES!!
>Name a single time this marketing gimmick has actually worked out well
I'm not interested in this retarded, autistic sematic argument you have started because you're an idiot with no reading comprehension.

>>717520250
>I hate Tekken 8 and SFV
>Go to the game that kills a lot of utility in moveset and mechanical difficulty for insanely oppressive snowballs

????????????????

>>717476946
Throw loops are core to Street Fighter you know.

>>717520335
Strive is fun man. I've been playing fighting games since 09 and I find it fun

>>717469872
Its something gay guys say to describe the nearest cock they want to suck the most

>>717469721 (OP)
Who the fuck is Stella

>>717510765
>>717511832
Sifu

>>717520567
God i hate modern fighting games

>>717477554
>The fighting game genre is so fucking stale I'm desperate for any form of innovation that isn't just re-release
How in the fuck can you say this when there are brand new fighting game IPs coming out these days. Go and play them if you want something completely new. We have seen what damage can happen to IPs when they are changed for the sake of change.

>>717520531
nta but Strive is better than both of those games even if Strive itself still isn't great.

>>717520567
>there's just no way he's gonna do it ag--

>>717520359
now think about your initial argument because you're using the same retarded logic
>omg bikini dlc for 5 characters means the entire game is coomer!

>>717520580
The only thing that is doesn't also have with SFV :
>vastly incomplete story
>rolllback is one of the worst executions of it
>Online rooms are pretty janky
>Characters are so reworked, they might as well be skinwalkers of their old versions
>Mechanics are built to be a mindless snowball off one interaction
>Completely random DLC characters
>Absolutely forgettable side material that ends up not mattering
is that it's pretty and easier.

>>717520781
>when there are brand new fighting game IPs coming out these days
kek, you mean MvC clone #493 or SF clone #40984 or smash clone # 32089. man so much innovation i dont know where to start.

>>717520845
>Initial argument
Weird you didn't quote it like a pussy.

>>717520845
that anon is not me. SF6 is a coomer game by design even if it was not intended to be like that, there are way too many hot characters and the jiggle physics in this game are more arousing than any other fighting game ever

>>717520953
You don't know what fighting game innovation is anon. It appears you think new genres are innovations. Fighting games aren't for you, so fuck off and play stuff that aren't fighting games.

>>717473286
Drive system is so fucked. Why can't they make drive rush activation on on hit or counter hit only? Why do they insist on making you so negative when you're burnt out to the point where you can't get out of anything?

>>717521089
kek, what difference does it make? was shrek integral to your argument?
>>717519961
>>717519961
>>717519961
>>717519961
>people claiming that doa failed because of too much coomer appeal
>too much coomer appeal
>too much
sorry youre so retarded i have to break down your own argument for you, this implies it is a matter of proportion, there is proportionally more coomer shit in DOA vs non coomer shit when compared to SF therefore one is "TOO MUCH" coomer and the other is not.

>>717521325
I dont think you understand the English language if you think innovation means exact clones and unambitious imitation. maybe you should stop using words you think mean one thing when they mean something completely different.

>>717521443
looooooooooooooooool
Schizo baited and broken from assuming only one person dislikes him

>>717520481
you literally said
>I just have to know what type of move it is, the general ranges then counter with the correct type of move
yeah man, if you ignore high/low profiling, degree of disjoint and angling, then sure range is the only thing that matters.
3d fightan more like 1d rps

>>717506084
>I'm praying for VF to be good

VF is always great, people just don't like it because they want a game where they can mash to win.

>>717469827
this
t. Fatal Fury series fan who saw it coming

>>717521179
everybody in SF6 is a weird mutant besides cammy, juri and then the dlc for mai.

>>717520567
The people playing that shit are the same that complained about "button mashing" in 3d fightan games.

>>717521565
>I dont think you understand the English language if you think innovation means exact clones and unambitious imitation
What I'm doing is reading between the lines of what you said. You do not want innovation, you want new genres. You're in denial about what innovation is. They are increments to fighting game mechanics. You laughed at the new Mavel fighting game, calling it a clone. The subtext of that is you don't know what innovation is, and it appears you're confusing that with different genres. You're a waste of fucking time and you should fuck of to different games because fighting games aren't for you.

>>717470072
especially when online latency is involved

>>717475842
GG admittedly pulled it off but largely due to a bizarre dark horse of Smash player influx, being a fighting game-proximate group that still didn't know the lay of the land and so didn't typecast GG as "that series I don't play" like the FGC has done with historically niche fighters.
Tekken has always been popular.

>>717479598
shame they are dying off and fighting games too will die off as well REST IN PISS

>>717521743
you're so fucking boring and autistic, I told you so many times I'm not interested in these meaningless pedantic arguments about nothing. yes, broadly speaking 2d fighting games are tuned for simplified comprehensible interactions, as is VF, tekken is not. If you're so bored you want to start sub, sub ,sub arguments about specific word choices and emphasis about points nobody is even arguing about then do it on your own.

>>717521443
too much does not imply that the amount of something is more than the absense of it, it just means that it has more than the appropriate amount, you stupid schizoid

>>717521987
a clone is not innovative. VF was innovative, smash was innovative, SF was innovative. The context of this discussion is the VF devs said VF doesnt need another iterative sequel, it should only exist if it innovates, the insinuation here is that innovation was core to VF DNA because they invented 3d fighters and they consider that level of leap to be innovative.

>>717521781
VF is 100% a mashfest

>>717522141
It is self evidently proportion you retard, you play 500 hour game with 1 sex scene, it doesnt make it a coomer game. you play a 5 minute game with a 4 minute sex scene then its a porn game. if the majority of your playerbase is coming for non coomer shit then its not a coomer game, if the majority of your playerbase is buying bikini dlc and jerking of to the millions of blow up doll female characters then yes, its coomer.

>>717522095
>broadly speaking 2d fighting games are tuned for simplified comprehensible interactions
again, this is how I can tell you don't play fightan. wacky hitbox interactions are a staple
considering that VFs sidesteps are hard counters, I'm willing to assume they are instead handled with attribute invul

>>717522262
>VF was innovative, smash was innovative, SF was innovative
And all three of those are completely different sub genres. Your idea of innovation is a different genre just by you example alone.

>>717522608
yes lets start an entire autistic argument about how ackshually you're a bathroom meltyblood, GG player and what I was saying strongly applies to traditional 2d so checkmate atheist you just invalidated your entire argument, see me in the toilet for evo grand finals.

fuck off.