Thread 717477480

>Save Zelda! Save Hyrule!
>zero urgency because nothing happens until you decide it does
Open world was a mistake

>>717477480 (OP)
Time limits in RPGs are counterproductive
You want players to explore and find things and a time limit stops them form doing and enjoying the game.
Fallout had a generous time limit and it wasn't much of a bother but the original ones that were tied to specific communities endings that got cut were so harsh that most players would never get the happy endings for those places.
I'm not opposed to time limits in any form, I think they could implemented after some triggers happen to properly convey urgency, but pacing is never something devs worry about.

>>717477480 (OP)
How is that different from any other Zelda game?

>>717477692
Dandori issue.

>>717477718
There's even more time to waste, most of your time is spent walking from place to place, and you can just pad your stats without engaging with enemies at all, because the open world can't really force you to fight

>>717477718
majora's mask had a time limit

>>717478379
and brainlets hated it so they never tried it again.

>>717478379
Yeah exactly, that's the only game that has any urgency. Where's the urgency is saving Zelda in Twilight Princess?

>>717478283
Silence, homosexual.

>>717477480 (OP)
Urgency is fucking awful. Why the FUCK would anyone even PRETEND to like shit like Majora's Mask, where there's an artificial urgency, you just have the TEDIUM of rewinding time, of rolling through Termina field for items everytime, when you could have actual genuine time control in when to waltz up to the quest giver/location and do the objective. Urgency fucking sucks.

>>717478445
>>717478475
kek

>>717477480 (OP)
That is every Zelda game, you fucking idiot.

I can run right over to Lake Hylia to do some fishing when Zelda gets captured in OoT.

>>717478520
*shoves your anus down your throat*

One thing I liked about that terrible Outer Worlds game is that there was a sidequest to go rescue a scientist, and if you fucked around and completed other quests first he'd die before you reached him

>>717478475
>why would you want to be immersed in the narrative bro

>>717478586
I lieks chocolate milk.

*puts glass on the table*

>>717478475
>urgency is awful because the one game that does it well didn't do it in a way that makes it really easy to undo mistakes

>>717478379
And that's why the Majora's Mask is objectively shitty!

>>717478445
>likes objectively shitty video games that have time limits
>calls other people brainlets
You're dense and you're butt hurt!

https://www.nintendoforums.com/threads/majoras-mask-sucks-heres-why.630/

>>717478673
>immersion
That shit isn't immersive. I've seen your type. The ones who claim Kafei Anju sidequest is so touching, but faced with the prospect of doing that shit a second time to get every mask and bottle, you decide to just hack it into your inventory. I'll do you one better, I don't decide to replay that game, and I rate it appropriately against the rest of the franchise.
>>717478698
I might have been too mean to you and I apologize.
>>717478847
Urgency is awful because your feeble fucking imagination jumps to time limits, in an mature adult world that disrespects your agency. Go fuck yourself.

>>717477480 (OP)
she was holding ganon back for 100 years. its fair to assume she could hold a bit longer.

Zelda has been keeping Ganon tied up for 100 years. She can do it for a few more days.

>>717477692
Gaming stopped being good when they killed time limits.

>>717479141
what a disingenuous image

>>717479505
Not enough ubishit towers?

>>717479274
>>717479350
The game also tells you she won't last much longer, but you have a billion blood moons to pad your stats and trivialize the rest of the game

>>717477480 (OP)
The only Zelda game with a sense of urgency from the plot is SS because you spend the first half of the game chasing Zelda. Mind you that doesn't mean there's a sense of urgency in the gameplay, none of the Zelda games have urgency. Even in MM you can rewind time so the end result is that you have to reset the cycle if you fuck up a side quest.

>>717477480 (OP)
>alttp
>zelda "help!"
haha im taking my time lmao xd *grabs random bushes*
>ganon is summoned
hehe time to do sidequests *gets all skulltulas*

>>717479042
>That shit isn't immersive.
It is. It makes it so your actions actually matter and the narrative remains relevant, rather than playing second fiddle to your need to wander around empty fields.

>>717479442
No.

>>717478871
Cope, shitter

>>717478565
>That is every Zelda game, you fucking idiot.
It's worse in open world

>>717482401
>It's worse
lmao, holy cope.

>>717482801
yes

>>717477480 (OP)
When I was a young lad of 3 playing Zelda 1, I though that I had to kill all the monsters because they keep coming back when you leave for a bit, so otherwise the world would get flooded in monsters if I didn't kill them all as I went.
I'm normal, poromise

>>717480480
doesn't do any of that shit, it just means you can't do some sidequest unless you squeeze it in a schedule, kys

>>717477480 (OP)
It's a meta narrative about Link looking at obese fairies and gay construction workers and contemplating whether the world is worth saving anymore, until he finally decides to do it for his white waifu.

>>717482801
Yes, adding walking simulator elements makes it way worse

>>717484448
you outed yourself, because >>717477480 (OP) happens on every game.
you're like a midwit who didn't even play zelda games. since every zelda game has the same thing. the quest happens when you walk into it. you can't even formulate an argument in response, and still try to damage control. its just sad...I'm out.

>>717485416
>muh yummy walking simulator

In Breath of the Wild the entire thing is fairly honest, you're immediately told you've gotta kill Ganon and that you can go there and kill him right away but you need to get stronger to reliably do it, both in-narrative and as a player, so fucking about for a while is justified.
In TotK they copied the formula but fucked up the context in that the player AND Link both know what happened and where to go but we have to play along with the retardation so content can happen

>>717477480 (OP)
I haven't played 3D Zelda since OOT. I barely even played BOTW but I can absolutely see why it got so much praise even just after a couple hours with the game. Going full open world was a great idea for this franchise.

Now I think they need to try to make one but with a darker tone to it like what Twilight Princess was allegedly going for during one of its scrapped builds. Doesn't have to go fully M rated levels of edge but if they can border that line while making a great game I'd love to play a Zelda like that.

>>717477480 (OP)
It works for botw because you don't even know what the fuck is going on and where she's supposed to be

>>717477480 (OP)
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TakeYourTime

>>717478379
>majora's mask had a time limit

And it was shit.

>>717478871
Based.

Majora's Mask was such a sour disappointment after OoT. Only mentally ill contrarians would argue other wise.

>>717487524
What are some plot-centered games with real time limits? Alicesoft games come to mind (Dai- series and some of Rance games).

>>717479442
This, Atelier declining while Persona + now Metaphor surged is an indication of this (and those time limits aren't even especially tight anymore)

>>717487362
You get told exactly what's going on and where she's supposed to be in a forced cutscene after you clear the boxed in tutorial. One of the reasons why BOTW fails completely at making an interesting mystery box out of the world and why TOTK does a much better job of it by having a way better story (that still bungles the ending) that doesn't hand you everything before you touch the ground

Maybe if Link started parting his hair down the middle again we could have a good Zelda game.

>>717490685
nintendo has to figure out how to release games again first before we can worry about them actually being good

>>717478379
And there was no urgency because you could reset the clock anytime it got too uncomfortably close to doomsday once you retrieved the Ocarina of Time and exited the tutorial cycle.