Thread 717483141

*casually mogs 2016 and eternal in your path*

bait used to be believable

>>717483141 (OP)
Sure Hugo, but your parryslop with PS2-tier vehicle gimmicks fucking flopped

>>717484750
>eternal was so bad it killed hype for future doom games
oof

>>717484750
everyone's playing on game pass (only $10 a month) lil bro

>>717484974
>Look mom, I posted it again!

>>717485017
Day one Goypass release btw
Also your bland parryslop flopped worse than Dragon Age DEI

>>717485603
>Game so bad and so unappealing, it sold worse than fucking DOOM 2016 on launch month, despite the number of Steam players being far higher in 2025 than in 2016
Grim
I'm not going to sugarcoat it, by every metrics this game underperformed, not to mention the subpar quality of the game itself
That's what happens when you try to make a game that pleases everyone, typical AAA by committee slop, they had the perfect formula with both 2016 and Eternal

>>717484750
>>717485603
>>717485669
Those faggots really went and managed to kill DOOM, for the SECOND time.
After they drop the DLC for Dark Ages, don't expect a new DOOM game before at least 8-10 years
>W-we don't make le same game twice!
Well done retards, all you had to do was DOOM Eternal 2, and not touching a single thing about the engine (it was already perfect visually and optimized to perfection too)

2016 and eternal were slop but it's impressive they manaaged to dark ages so shit that the slop guzzlers weren't even interested in it

>>717486318
When you try to please everyone (especially the casual shitters), you end up pleasing no one
Tale old as time

The only decent nu Doom game

>>717483317
Shut the fuck up NPC

>>717486231
It's funny how it's always the third game too lmao

>>717483141 (OP)
>*causally is forgotten within a week of release*

As soon as they talked about the difficulty sliders, I knew it would be garbage
There's no bigger cop out than devs straight up telling you to balance the game yourself with those shitty ass sliders
Fuck you, this isn't my job, you are the game balancing experts, and so I expect a well tuned challenge straight out of the box, it's not that complicated
Not to mention the lame ass vehicle shit that has no place whatsoever in a DOOM game, and on top of that has the depth of a puddle
The vehicle and mech sections in the Ratchet & Clank PS2 games were literally better than this tacked on shit that is there only to artificially extend play time

>>717486801
>There's no bigger cop out than devs straight up telling you to balance the game yourself with those shitty ass sliders
I find it crazy how people don't understand this
It's like id expected you to know everything in the game in advance, so that you could balance it accordingly
Also allows to negate any design or difficulty criticism, with shit like "lol bro you ain't even playing at 150% engine speed"
That's fucking cheap, almost as cheap as being lazy with the engine and leaving it all to RT in place of carefully baked lightning

>>717484750
>>717485603
JUST

>>717486801
most people found it too easy in general and turned it up to 120% so why not just design that to be the default? it's clear hugo has no idea what he's doing

>>717487508
The game speed slider is the most artificial shit of them all
It doesn't accelerate the combat, what it does is accelerating the WHOLE ASS fucking engine, dialogues and sounds included
Corniest and most awkward shit ever, feels like a Looney Tunes cartoon
You didn't need any of this shit to feel fast in both 2016 and Eternal

>>717487637
yeah literally the worst way to go about it

>>717487637
>mfw they literally tied that slider to the Time Scale value

Nu-doom did more damage to the doom name than the christian mom outrage after columbine

It’s become clear to me almost a decade out that the things that made 2016 appealing, especially in presentation, were absolute flukes.

Eternal is mechanically deep but looks and sounds like shit. Eternal looks good but plays weird and the forced MCU ass narrative is annoying. 2016 is a comparatively simple game but it’s a total package. Fun gameplay, looks aesthetically cohesive, and the story is silly, but simple and earnest.

>>717489164
*TDA looks good

>>717483317
It's definitely better than 2016. That game is boring as fuck.

D44M >>>>>>>>>> Eternal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dark Ages

imagine thinking this dogshit is better than even doom 3

>>717487734
STAND

AND

FIGHT

>>717489164
At the very least, the story in Eternal still revolved around Doomguy solely
The story always moved forward because of Doomguy's actions, just like 2016, and you always got context about why you needed to go to this place and this place, just like in 2016
In Dark Ages, Doomguy feels like an errand boy and like a side character to the story, it feels awful and you can't connect with any of this nonsense
Not to mention the story in Dark Ages is disjointed, you'll often be dropped in a map with no prior information leading up to this, like when you first pull up in Hell for instance, it comes out of nowhere

>>717486801
why even have difficulty selection when they give you all these fucking sliders

>>717490152
>you always got context about why you needed to go to this place and this place, just like in 2016
Hahahahahahahahaha.

>>717486801
Yea, difficulty slider means the dev has no confidence in their game design.

>>717490170
it helps to see what the different difficulty modes actually do and lets you create your own indivdual difficulty for you and also you can make insanely fun meme runs that would otherwise not fly in the usualy difficult selection

hope that helps

>>717490170
Because they wanted to please both FPS hardcore fans, and casual shitters alike
Turns out the game is piss fucking easy no matter what you do so hardcore fans will play it one time and go back to Eternal/2016, and the casual shitters will play it one time and move on to the latest AAA slop
They successfully alienated their whole fanbase

>>717490291
>lets you create your own indivdual difficulty for you
Just fucking design a game dude.

>>717490296
undeniable fact is
putting all difficulty on max and projectile speed on max makes this doom harder than eternal, waaaay harder i guess they leaned more into the hardcore than casual eternal.

>>717483141 (OP)
>mog
word used by incels and cucks. you're not an alpha, you're just a fag

>>717490328
already is thats why you have difficult selection, the sliders are just a bonus so you can individualize after you run through the standard difficults. Its a option you dont have to use but can make fun runs.

>>717484750
Removing 2016's deathmatch was the death knell to the nu-Doom franchise. Fucking fat retarded spic cocksucker Hugo listening to crybaby redditors who just couldn't handle getting dabbed on by me and my railgun. Sad!

casually gets forgotten one month in and heavily discounted

>>717490291
What fucking "insanely fun meme runs" are you talking about exactly?
It doesn't even have a classic mode like Eternal where you start out with just the shotgun and get everything else inside the levels
Hell it doesn't even have extra life mode, and it doesn't even have actual fun cheatcodes like Eternal
The sliders shit is abandonment of game design and balance, so that soigaping redditors can play the game on "Nightmare" difficulty, while lowering game speed, damage and basically everything, so that they can feel good about themselves and brag about it on the tranny subreddit

>>717486801
>Fuck you, this isn't my job, you are the game balancing experts, and so I expect a well tuned challenge straight out of the box
ADDING SLIDERS DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE BASE GAME ISN'T BALANCED, YOU FUCKING RETARDED FAGOOOOOOOOT NORMIE BASTARD! FUCK YOU!

>>717489838
Putting D44M over Eternal is already a questionable take, but putting either of those over Dark Ages-lol. Say what you want, but Eternal at least had identity. Dark Ages feels like a medieval knockoff of Destiny filtered through a Doom lens, then mashed together with leftover ideas from some canceled Quake reboot. If gameplay's king, Eternal still sits on the throne.

>>717490561
>ADDING SLIDERS DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE BASE GAME ISN'T BALANCED
considering pretty much everyone ive seen complains the games too slow, i think youre wrong

>>717490364
>Broooo the game is so hard if you play it with one hand tied behind your back, and with your eyes closed
The sliders are artificial as fuck, I'm pretty you can mod 2016 or Eternal to be as stupidly "hard", but that doesn't really make the games better now does it?
Nothing will ever replace careful and deliberate balance by devs, they perfected that in Eternal and threw it all out of the windows to pander to casuals

>>717483141 (OP)
>casually fall off from the radar 2025 in a month

>>717490561
The game balance is all over the place
And no matter what you do, the game remains piss fucking easy

>>717490659
>y..yeah b..but mods could maybe do that to that dark ages does out of the box..s..so it doesnt count!

i accept your concession

>>717490745
I assure you, none wants that shit in 2016 and Eternal, because the difficulties there are already masterfully crafted

>>717490659
Eternal wasn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination.

>>717490830
Still a whole lot better than the Parryslop Ages.

>>717483141 (OP)
from the trash can?

>>717490296
>Turns out the game is piss fucking easy no matter what you do so hardcore fans will play it one time and go back to Eternal/2016
Fucking kek, that's exactly what I did after going through this absolute slogfest

>>717490830
True, but it was very good despite not being perfect. It was an evolution from doom 2016. That's why people want evolution of it instead of a devolution into dark age.

PRIVATE DOOMGUY QUICK MAN THAT TURRENT SGT RAMIREZ NEEDS BACKUP OHH RAH!

After Eternal debacle with Mick Gordon, for some reason I lost hyped for the sequel. Then saw the TDA trailer and completely lost it.

>>717490284
It's true and you can't deny it
Vega and Sammy Hayden were always there to give you basic exposition, even the ARC Intern in the DLCs.
They don't even do that in Dark Ages, you get dropped in levels without even knowing why

>>717490947
Riveting gameplay

>>717490942
>It was an evolution from doom 2016
It was worse in every single way.

>>717490973
I really wanted to play it but then it released and was like "you know what... nah"

They can't just do a game where you just pick up a gun, shoot tons of enemies while running 40mph and look for secrets everywhere while picking all type of stuff.
I want a game with intermission screens and nothing slowing down the gameplay. Something you can just pick up anytime and play a while.
It'll be more interesting to watch others play too when people beat maps in 15 seconds whereas you needed 20 minutes.
A true return to form, graphics that look like reality like how shit used to look like reality back then to the naive.

>>717490947
>>717491019
R2 R2 R2 R2 R2 R2 R2 R2 R2 R2...
>5 minutes later
R2 R2 R2 R2 R2 R2 R2 R2 R2 R2
Peak gameplay, I heckin' love DOOM, so metal fuck yeah! xD

>>717491035
>t. filtered by eternal's hurt me plenty

>>717490947
Holy FUCK they actually have no idea how to make games do they?

>>717491035
But enough about the Mid Ages

>>717491051
They did that, it's called DOOM 2016 and Eternal
No I'm not going to answer your schizzo babble coming up next

>>717491118
woah woah woah look at that epic cinematic slowdown with each and every single LEGENDARY dodge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111!1one

STAND

>>717484750
>>717485603
The Eternal TORtanic failed so fucking hard
Eternalchads stay winning, and gacha /v/ermin will eternally seethe and cope about getting their shit pushed in by the game

>The Eternal TORtanic failed so fucking hard
>Eternalchads stay winning, and gacha /v/ermin will eternally seethe and cope about getting their shit pushed in by the game

>>717491341
AND

>>717491452
That would be funny if the guy in the webm played like shit, but he's not missing any of his shots and is taking full advantage of the verticality

LOOK AT MY WEBM
THIS IS WHAT REAL GAMEPLAY LOOKS LIKE
YOU PLEBS COULD NEVER FIDGET AS FAST AS I CAN

>>717491461
NIGGER

>>717491452
>>717491565
Like fucking clockwork
Eternally assraped by one game

>>717491563
he's also not spazzing out at all
but then these webms never looked like doom eternal gameplay, they were a reaction to some guy having the audacity to say that cyberpunk was fun if you bunnyhop around and getting memed on for it

>thread derails into liquid shit once eternal zoomers start posting
kek

>>717491662
>have you tried eating shit?
no thanks
>FILTERED!!!!!!

>>717491691
That's accurate
2016 and Eternal have literally the same core gameplay, Eternal just iterated on 2016, added things, rebalanced other shit, made it harder and more complex, just a straight up improvement on the same formula
Meanwhile, Dark Ages is this weird sidegrade (and to be honest it's more of a complete downgrade) that also wants to reinvent the wheel and that literally nobody asked

>>717491803
I'm pretty sure I saw the usual shitflinging towards Eternal first

>>717490654
>>717490705
THE COMMENT DIDN'T COMPLAIN ABOUT BAD BALANCING! HE JUST SAID THAT ADDING SLIDERS MEANS THAT THE DEVS EXPECT YOU TO BALANCE IT YOURSELF! IT IS OBVIOUSLY WRONG FAGGOT RETARDS!!!!!

>>717491905
Based reality ignorer

>>717491859
>just a straight up improvement on the same formula
keep telling yourself that

>>717492129
Calm down Rajeesh
No one bought your shit game, and the game is console FPS shite of the worst kind for shitters like you
It's gonna be okay

>>717492191
You must be so assmad that Dark Ages flopped and failed lmao

>>717483141 (OP)
>destroys your reboot franchise
ftfy

>>717491859
>Eternal just iterated on 2016, added things
true, added a bunch of dumb gimmicks that made the design less flexible and I already hate the gimmicks in 2016
>rebalanced
this is one thing i'll give eternal over 2016 at least

I don't get it. Classic doom also has difficulty modifiers and nobody's mad about it?

>>717492540
OH MY SCIENCE
JUST LIKE MY HECKIN' CLASSIC DOOM

>>717490973
baffling that marty would treat one of the devs so well associated with the new games like absolute trash and then expect him to keep quiet. marty's a fucking retard

>>717492606
Literally refused to take down his reddit post as part of the settlement agreement

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-71-i1akB0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R17jGipMOE
Dark Ages OST is so fucking bland, absolute dogshit
Compare that to any 2016 or Eternal music and the difference is clear as day
All thanks to Marty

>>717492729
One of the most baffling things I've seen any game dev do, not gonna lie. He could've just pulled it and said "sorry guys, I was angry about work and did something unprofessional and shitty, me and Mick talked it out" but no, he just had to be an asshole about it. Mick ended up winning the court of public opinion, GG Marty.

>>717490947
it's called doomslayer, and the demons fear him he is that powerful

the only way 2016 and dark ages are similar are that you don't really have to engage the game beyond the surface level mechanics. weapon swapping is already irrelevant so just shoot and use parry/punch mechanics when you can. it's so fucking boring unless you LOVE parrying with every fiber of your being

2016 and Eternal are basically the same damn game only Eternal is "but what if we built the game around the fun unique shit we do and actually balance it"

>>717492771
Even the Hulshult DLC songs were top tier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cddkuOgedhY

>>717492363
DIdnt even play it, retard.
I just vastly prefer Doom 2016

what i really hate was how easy it was to call that this was an attempt to win over everyone that was going to win over basically nobody.
Eternal fans don't like it because it doesn't have what drew them in with Eternal. Eternal haters still don't like it because it's still like Eternal in other ways. the only group I've seen just froth over this game in a really passionate way are nerdy redditors who can't express why they like it in that special interest way that screams "this might fuck actually"

>>717492943
And I love both
You are a goddamn nigger

>>717492771
even the eternal OST is edited together from Mick's demos he sent them
dark ages soundtrack isn't even bad or anything it's just background vidya music and the main thing is how it's mixed compared to 2016 which is very front and center

>>717492881
>2016 and Eternal are basically the same damn game only Eternal is "but what if we built the game around the fun unique shit we do and actually balance it"
They especially doubled down on the annoying gimmicks and glory kills, neither of which are fun nor unique.

i know what will fix the next doom game, give it denuvo+vanguard+windows games live+always online and make it a live service auto combat gacha with nft trading

>>717493182
There are a few songs in the official soundtrack that *were* put together by Mick, it's pretty easy to figure out which ones just by the fact his work is actually edited well and isn't full of amateurish mistakes, specifically Cultist Base, A Cultist Prayer, The Icon of Sin, The Only Thing They Fear Is You, Welcome Home Great Slayer, Prayer Of The Diminished, Sinister, Command and Control, Meat Hook, The Betrayer, and DOOM Eternal. I think he also did a DOOM 2 remix that was cut from the game but still on the soundtrack.

>>717493792
>Cultist Base
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24W_dmJIqfA

>>717493551
Still more unique than basic bitch parryslop.

>>717493880
For me, it's the Super Gore Nest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfoj7t7NZkI

Wouldn't it have just made more sense to make it a melee-based game? Rather, not a DOOM game. Just use the same concept/ideas/etc and make it have different melee weapons/etc instead of guns.

>>717491207
It had those small cutscenes for glory kills and platforming that interrupt the gameplay every now and then.
I want strafejumping and more enemies, but only the indie pixel shit does that kind of.

>>717493940
>parry without loss of mobility bad
>glory kill and stand in place for too long good

>>717494235
>optional quick melee takedown that gives you a brief moment to catch your breath during the chaos bad
>mandatory slow ass parry and melee with mandatory slowmo good

>>717485603
>proves his point
shitneral fags are really just braindead zoomers on adderal

>>717494235
Glory kills work well with the gameplay loop of nu-DOOM (and yes I know using that term makes me a faggot but it's the best I got). They're quick and encourage playing aggressively. Parryslop encourages standing in place and waiting for
attacks and they got that whole slowmo shit going on which is fucking boring.

I remember when Saints Row ripped off the Glory Kills in the shitty reboot but all the animations take way too fucking long, negating the whole point. TDA is basically that, it missed the point of what made the new games fun in the first place.

>>717494489
>i-it's the last game fault if the current game flopped
You realize how retarded that sounds right?
Fucking mouthbreather

>>717494235
in eternal's basic gameplay the only thing you "have to do" is manage ammo well which means vary your weapons and either scavenge pickups or chainsaw if you start getting low

cutscene glory kills are repetitive but eternal rarely makes you do them, parrying can be repetitive and they make you do it 24/7

>>717494672
The worst is when you have to fight a super heavy demon in Dark Ages
You just know from the get go that fighting it is just getting in its face, and parry/melee/shoot/parry melee/shoot and so on and so on
Gets old so fast, there is no variety or strategy here

>>717483141 (OP)
Subtle.

>>717494769
on the one hand restriction in the name of challenge and pressure isn't inherently a bad thing, it does occasionally make it feel intense when you have to close distance on a cybie or whatever
on the other hand I would argue that letting you riff with combos however you like is a key part of nudoom's feel and fun and in dark ages it literally feels exactly the same every single time once you've closed distance

>>717483141 (OP)
Overall I liked it a lot, but some of the design decisions baffled me.
>Graphics are a blurry mess
>HDR is broken
>Unable to disable slow-mo
>Game speed speeds up EVERYTHING, not just core gameplay
>Atlan and dragon gameplay seemed so out of place it was jarring
>The whole Mick Gordon clusterfuck
>Campaign and... that's it. No master levels, horde mode, or anything.

2016 and Eternal were arguably the most polished games I've ever played. The Dark Ages was like... did they accidentally sell the alpha instead of the final release? lol

>>717494671
>shit game for adh zoomies
>people dont want to buy more of the franchise
even 7th graders understand the concept of getting burned and refusing to buy. Yet third world street shitters like you don't

>>717494672
the forced to chainsaw for ammo every 5 second game is not repetitive

>>717495851
Good.
DOOM Eternal is the best singleplayer FPS ever made, and it was also the perfect send off for this franchise.
Keep on coping about your dead after one week game.

>>717495923
yeah, the lightning fast melee takedown is in fact not repetitive

>Doom game with not multiplayer
should be criminal

>>717483141 (OP)
It's over.

>>717496436
>lower peak than doom 2016 9 fucking years ago when steam wasn't as populated
how do you fuck up so bad

>>717490561
Subhuman shitskin.

>>717490467
what the fuck people actually played the tacked on multiplayer garbage?

>>717491662
>You have to hit a specific weapoint with a specific gun
>This is so intuitive they had to use tutorial popups midgame
I liked Eternal but this was pretty bullshit. How the fuck are you supposed to figure out that the optional sniper upgrade destroys the mancubus' arms on your own?

>>717499289
damn, maybe by playing the game and experimenting, fucking casual shitter

>>717499289
Noone say it is intuitive. It's simply a game design. The game design can be good even if it is not intuitive because it's a video game. There is nothing wrong with the game setting rule and structure for the player. If every game design has to be intuitive, they have to be realistic, which limits the game.

>>717499686
Also, just because the game explain a mechanic, that doesn't mean the player is prohibited from exploring it and using intuition further.
For example, the game tutorial tells you that you can destroy certain enemy weakspot to limit their offense and stagger. The game doesn't tell the player all of the ways the weakspot can be destroyed and players can experiment and find out themselves. The game doesn't tell what the player should do after destroying the weakspot, but the players' intuition lead them to swap to a different weapon to maximize damage on the staggered enemy after its weakspot get broken.