Thread 717485905

How did those british blokes manage to make one of the best 2d platformers ever and show up even Mario in his prime?

>>717485905 (OP)
1. They had experience.
2. They had Nintendo backing and guidance. Miyamoto and others were literally checking their work constantly and giving feedback. Daily faxes back and forth, tons of calls, tons of in-person meetings. Functionally the games were partially made by Nitnendo.
3. The game is designed on Japanese platformer standards and rules, rahter than Euro ones. Euro platformers were slower, and focused on fancy sprite work (think Rayman).
4. nintendo invested a lot into the game, including buying a bunch of SDI computers to make the fancy graphics.

>>717485986
>The game is designed on Japanese platformer standards and rules,
Was it? Weren't Japanese platformers still more focused on generalized tilesets more akin to Mario World than what DKC2 did?

The crass shitposting of Britain + Miyamoto's blessings. Western devs make kino games when they want to impress Miyamoto san

>>717485986
Not gonna downplay Nintendo's hand in its success because they do have extremely high standards and significant input, but Rare's games were always very high quality, even going back to the home conputer days.

Also Miyamoto has always been disparaging about DKC so I do wonder how much influence Nintendo had directly.

>>717485986
Lies. Here are some facts:
Fact 1: Nintendo HATED Rare and would do anything to stop them
Fact 2: Nintendo felt Rare was impinging on their turf with Killer Instinct (KI). Ki = ancient chinese energy.
Fact 3: Rare was initially given the DK ip as a joke, "hahaha what are you going to do with silly monkey" was the sentiment at Nintendo HQ at the time.

>>717486308
Is that part about Miyamoto hating DKC even true or just an urban legend from that one fake Yoshi's Island quote? DKC was a blockbuster at the time, both in the West and Japan.

>>717486423
Zero tolerance policy on Kremlings proves it

>>717486308
>Also Miyamoto has always been disparaging about DKC so I do wonder how much influence Nintendo had directly.

That's a strange myth promoted by literally a SINGLE journalist in a book. The short version is that he interviewed Miyamoto and the Rare guy and then published the interview. Accordign to the journalist, as an aside, miyamoto made a disparaging remark about the game which he then published in his book about the history of video games. This is then quoted endlessly.

But is it true? He's never released the audio recording so we can double check what exactly was said. it's not sure he has a complete grasp of Japanese. He could very well have misunderstood some aside comment, and being a European himself, turned it into some kind of grand narrative. So the short version is that it appears to be nonsense.

So we have a guy YEARS LATER saying "oh yeah, Miyamoto totally trashed DKC". I think he was just trying to hype up something he half-heard and remembered as being this big dig, when Miyamoto didn't meant i liek that.

Miyamoto himself has commented on it when asked by IGN years ago, and he was deeply confused by the whole matter.

>>717486423
No it was made up by a game urinalist for a magazine.

>>717486737
> Miyamoto: The first point that I want to make is that I actually worked very closely with Rare on the original Donkey Kong Country. And apparently recently some rumor got out that I didn't really like that game? I just want to clarify that that's not the case, because I was very involved in that. And even emailing almost daily with Tim Stamper right up until the end.

>>717486749
They're notoriously shitty.

>>717486376
Fact 4: Miyamoto despises all gaijin with a burning passion and wants them all dead.

>>717486308
>Also Miyamoto has always been disparaging about DKC so I do wonder how much influence Nintendo had directly.
This has been debunked a hundred times.
Nintendo, including Miyamoto, very much liked and enjoyed what Rare put out on the SNES and N64.
We have ACTUAL interviews and testamony from both companies on this
>why no buy rare
1. talent bleed. they were losing their best staff, something would know handily
2. loss of confidence in their products. They completely shifted Conker because ONE (1) urinalist mocked it for being too cartoony.
Also jumped off ZDino Planet at the first chance given (no they were NOT forced to use the starfox IP, it was merely offered to them, with the stipulation the new game had to be on GC if so. rare CHOSE to switch over)

>replay it in 2025
>still great

>>717486901
This even reads like pure bullshit how did this catch on so hard?

>>717487015
Saying no would be like turning down a king's order. You'd be beheaded

>>717487108
>how did anti-nintendo propaganda catch on in an industry that hates nintendo
>where '''gamers''' froth at the mouth over them not kneeling to sony/xbox/steam/antiwhiteism
HMMMM
idk anon.
hard to say.

>>717487000
Guess we proved him right

>>717487161
Why do you fucking lie?
Same time frame the dev's behind Eternal Darkness were suggested by miyamoto himself to make the game less dark.
Both physically...as in brighten up levels, and tone down some plot things. Plus lessen the horror.
They ignored this sugestion. Launched the game as wanted. And had no consequences.
Stop putting Miyamoto has some gaming god head that smites everyone that questions him.
It's never been true.
End of the day its on the developers for taking on or ignoring said advice.

>>717487161
When you're dealing with Caligumoto, you might be beheaded anyway for saying yes, or because you're wearing a red shirt, or because it's Tuesday. The best-kept secret of the video game industry is that he isn't just eccentric, he is literally insane.

I actually can't fucking stand a lot of DKC's levels. 1 had some pretty tough/annoying levels, but 2 really went balls deep with the gimmicky levels and it just felt agonizing to experience. Both games had so many levels that just felt like they were full "HAHA GOTCHA FAGGOT" moments. I'm assuming DKC3 probably went even farther with dumb as shit level gimmicks.

I should replay the games to see if I was just really fucking awful when I first played them and they'll actually be great this time, or if it sucks as much as I remember. I like the music though, I can't talk shit about that.

>>717486646
Kremlings are just boring and unimaginative, they're like a placeholder enemy faction.

>>717486901
based on interviews with rare employees at the time nintendo had more involvement with donkey kong but it seemed to be more on occasion. they also seemed to not give a fuck about anything else they did besides donkey kong.

>>717487573
When was the last time you played them

>>717488008
I think it was like 5 years ago. I remember getting my shit stomped by the minecart level so badly I started laughing because of how hard it was. Same with snowbarrel blast or whatever that level was called. I hated every level involving the animals.

>>717487573
I don't really remember DKC2 doing that. Some levels were unique to a certain world (like the rollercoaster ones) but most of them had normal platforming. Then again it's been multiple decades since I last played a DKC. DKC3 had way more jankshit as I recall. Also the bossfights in DKC3 were ass.

>>717488158
Kinda sounds like you're just not great at platformers, snowbarrel is understandable though. You should give it another go and if you can't handle those two levels in particular just know there's secrets that will blast you through them.

>>717486068
NTA but it's about the way the levels are designed. They're easy-to-read obstacle courses with some detours for bonus rooms and items. On the other hand, the typical Western platformer of the era consists of aimless trial-and-error mazes with cheap hits you can't react to.

>>717487573
>I'm assuming DKC3 probably went even farther with dumb as shit level gimmicks
DKC3 actually felt like it was built entirely around that premise

I love dkc2