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Anonymous No.717494128 [Report] >>717494320 >>717494581 >>717494702 >>717494751 >>717495398 >>717495745 >>717495756 >>717495825 >>717495856 >>717495937 >>717495994 >>717496101 >>717496179 >>717496443 >>717496509 >>717496549 >>717496573 >>717496857 >>717500227
Why don’t video games have meaningful choices anymore?
Anonymous No.717494320 [Report] >>717494441 >>717495283 >>717495376 >>717495430
>>717494128 (OP)
What even was this choice? I chose the bird because it represents freedom. At least that is what 8 think it meant anyway.
Anonymous No.717494441 [Report] >>717499973
>>717494320
>bioshock infinite came out 12 years ago
Grim
But that is obviously what the meaning was here, do you want her to be free or stay caged.
Anonymous No.717494581 [Report]
>>717494128 (OP)
Casuals have replaced gamers as the main audience of video games for 2 decades now. Everything has to be brain dead.
Anonymous No.717494605 [Report] >>717495034
>I’ve made it very clear I don’t believe in the exercise.
>The rowing?
>No. I imagine that’s wonderful exercise.
>Then what?
>The entire. Thought. Experiment.
>One undertakes an experiment knowing one might fail.
>One does not undertake an experiment knowing one *has* failed.

This exchange really sits differently with me after Erin Valenti’s death.
Anonymous No.717494702 [Report] >>717495447
>>717494128 (OP)
sex with elizabeth is the only good choice
Anonymous No.717494751 [Report] >>717495447
>>717494128 (OP)
Explain? Elizabeth is my cocksleeve, but never played any of the games.
Anonymous No.717494779 [Report] >>717495140
Multiverse nonsense ruins another IP.
Anonymous No.717495034 [Report] >>717495671
>>717494605
>he doesn't row
Anonymous No.717495140 [Report] >>717495436 >>717496179
>>717494779
The multiverse was good it's just that all new Bioshock games are just set in one of the many multiverse.
Anonymous No.717495283 [Report]
>>717494320
The bird is dead the cage is empty.
Anonymous No.717495376 [Report]
>>717494320
the cage represents a chastity cage for your micropenis.
the dead bird is the result of "choking the chicken".

so basically it's an analogy for enlightenment versus degeneracy.
Anonymous No.717495386 [Report] >>717495827 >>717496065 >>717496294 >>717496383 >>717498149 >>717500057 >>717501434
Did Infinite ever get shit on because of the racism in the game? Played it recently and it has quite a bit of racism in it with people calling the black people pics, negros and other racial slurs. Also the Chinese being called slant eyes and the gooks.
Anonymous No.717495398 [Report]
>>717494128 (OP)
I miss games like Bioshock Infinite. Back when games were DEEP and MEANINGFUL and filled with MIND TANTILIZING PUZZLES

this game was the original holy grail for reddit pseudointellectuals and i hate it for that alone
Anonymous No.717495430 [Report]
>>717494320
The cage represents her chastity
The bird represents her going full-roastie
Anonymous No.717495436 [Report] >>717495540
>>717495140
>all new Bioshock games
Such as?
Anonymous No.717495447 [Report]
>>717494702
>>717494751
Yeah yeah. Kys. Get off my timeline. Yada yada. You're real scary
Anonymous No.717495487 [Report] >>717495645 >>717502987
Literally the hardest puzzle in vidya history
Anonymous No.717495540 [Report]
>>717495436
There is one in development now
Anonymous No.717495645 [Report] >>717496416 >>717498297 >>717499873
>>717495487
I'm still mad that you guys let me believe this was a real puzzle in the game for years. Only to then find out it's literally just an intro sequence interactable.
Anonymous No.717495671 [Report]
>>717495034
>He doesn’t row?!
Anonymous No.717495729 [Report] >>717495785
Psy ops nig nogs of this board can read your mind and jump into the threads as you're typing your post. They bait the thread with inflammatory bullshit then sit around and talk in your little frequency.
Anonymous No.717495745 [Report] >>717495827
>>717494128 (OP)
That game is pozzed.
Anonymous No.717495756 [Report] >>717496957 >>717505126
>>717494128 (OP)
BG3 actually has meaningful choices. They can drastically alter how you do the quests, which companions follow you, even end the game early on some occasions.
But having meaningful choices takes a lot of work. So most games default to just having them be flavour text.
Anonymous No.717495785 [Report] >>717495908
>>717495729
Yes, the glowies do this to me all the time. They literally have no life other than obsessing over me 24/7. You are probably one of them.
Anonymous No.717495825 [Report]
>>717494128 (OP)
i dont understand, is this supposed to be a metaphor for something?
Anonymous No.717495827 [Report]
>>717495745
Nope
>>717495386
Anonymous No.717495856 [Report]
>>717494128 (OP)
They do
Anonymous No.717495908 [Report]
>>717495785
Me? I'm cursed timeline maxxing
Anonymous No.717495937 [Report] >>717496042
>>717494128 (OP)
>child-tier metaphor
>meaningful choice
Not only is Bioshock Infinite - as with all Bioshock games - awful, they mock your intelligence (unless of course your stupidity challenged and engaged by this slop)
Anonymous No.717495994 [Report]
>>717494128 (OP)
They never did before so why start now?
Anonymous No.717496042 [Report] >>717496115 >>717496134
>>717495937
>as with all Bioshock games - awful
Infinite is bar far the best.

I'm playing Bioshock 1 at the moment and it is pretty shit. You either have no ammo and health or health but no ammo. Or even worse you have no ammo or health. Plasmoids are pretty shit once you get to mid to late game. I've not played Bioshock 2 but I'll play it next, hopefully it is an improvement over 1.
Anonymous No.717496065 [Report]
>>717495386
Kind of? But it's mostly because the vox populi aren't depicted as heroes, Personally it was pretty gay that they revealed in the dlc that the twins forced their leader to be crazy. Destroyed what I thought was the point of what levine was trying to say with them.
Anonymous No.717496101 [Report]
>>717494128 (OP)
Nude mods yet?
Anonymous No.717496115 [Report] >>717496147
>>717496042
>bar far
Oogabooga. Why tier turds in a toilet. Flush it
Anonymous No.717496134 [Report]
>>717496042
You could try not playing the game on hard if you want to actually play a fun game that lets you use the tools given to you. You won't though as you're a souls brain.
Anonymous No.717496147 [Report] >>717496337
>>717496115
Obvious typeo idiot.
Anonymous No.717496179 [Report] >>717496319
>>717494128 (OP)
Development is completely incoherent.
>need to add or cut thing in too little time due to spontaneous additions
>manager leaving dozens or hundreds of employees with no coordinated direction
>devs all sleep deprived due to shit management thinking crunch is good
>studio/publisher lays off hundreds of devs randomly so they appear forward thinking
Modern management and AGILE in particular is a massive flop.
Games developed by more than 60 people over more than 3 years just don't work or are at least indicative of needing to throw everything out so that they can start over.
>>717495140
Multiverse slop is just indicative of every stage of management failing the marshmallow test.
Anonymous No.717496294 [Report]
>>717495386
It has a very jewish take on white serparatism, that's the problem.
Anonymous No.717496319 [Report]
>>717496179
It was a game mechanic. Noe one complained about "multiverse slop" when rift apart came out.
Anonymous No.717496337 [Report]
>>717496147
Dumb enough not to correct it before posting
Anonymous No.717496383 [Report] >>717496574
>>717495386
It's an antiwhite game and one of the most antiwhite of its time. The only backlash it got along that theme was that it didn't glorify antiwhitism enough
Anonymous No.717496416 [Report] >>717496474
>>717495645
>let me believe
you being a gullible retard is your fault
Anonymous No.717496443 [Report]
>>717494128 (OP)
Who the fuck wears a cage brooch
Anonymous No.717496474 [Report]
>>717496416
>How could you not tell our lie was a lie?
I don't know, maybe because you lied?
Anonymous No.717496509 [Report]
>>717494128 (OP)
Only shmups ever had meaningful choices eg
>mushihimesama shot select
>gradius upgrade path and options routing
>th character select
Etc

Movie games can't have meaningful choices because they're damn movies.
Anonymous No.717496549 [Report] >>717497502
>>717494128 (OP)
The Hundred Line has loads of meaningful choices that actually splits the game off into a hundred different endings.
Anonymous No.717496573 [Report]
>>717494128 (OP)
people don't feel like replaying a game from scratch, especially if it's an 80-hour rpg. unless the paths are completely different (see sonic adventure as an example)
Anonymous No.717496574 [Report] >>717497945 >>717498072
>>717496383
>it's antiwhite
How? where does it glorify what the vox populi is doing?
Anonymous No.717496857 [Report] >>717497781 >>717499267
>>717494128 (OP)
Bioshock infinite revolutionized the entire 3d animation industry.
Anonymous No.717496957 [Report] >>717497098 >>717497572 >>717498506
I think mainly because it was a fad. There are still games with meaningful choices in them like >>717495756 said, but most devs are chasing other fads rn.

Also because a design challenge of meaningful choices: It is less efficient for content/dev time. If you mak a game with a choice that has two strongy diverging outcomes, you now need to design the rest of the game twice, one for each variation. It's also locking off content from the player as they might not replay the game to discover that other content from the other choice.

>Bad Example
The Walking Dead telltale game (first season). Even though they lauded that their game was all about meaningful choices, most of the same shit happens. IME it felt like my choices were not very meaningful because they didn't change the structure of the story only the flavor of it. So the experience rang a bit hollow.

>Good Example
Witcher 2. The choices you make in that game produce VERY different outcomes and quests to the point that a choice you make at the end of act 1 gives you a completely different version of act 2 in a different location with entirely new quests and characters that share almost no crossover. This is sick af and feels meaningful but is a tremendous amount of work.
Anonymous No.717497098 [Report] >>717497418
>>717496957
>Witcher 2.
Pretty much the only game I can think off that has two completely different paths based on the choices you make. There a lot of games that change the story or certain things depending on choices but none as good as TW3. Usually it's just an npc that has different dialogue or something changes in the level depending on your choice.
Anonymous No.717497418 [Report] >>717497462
>>717497098
TW2 is a big fucking mess but I love how ambitious it was. I really liked TW3 but found myself very disappointed in how it handled the choices you made in TW2 and also how its choices weren't has impactful to the game and only really the ending.
Anonymous No.717497462 [Report]
>>717497418
>as good as TW3.
Sorry meant TW2
Anonymous No.717497502 [Report]
>>717496549
one of the most ambitious visual novel/jrpgs ever made storywise but the whole thing's a complete mess and only like 3 of endings actually explain the real story and everything else feels like a side story, a bad ending, or some insane butterfly effect where you stub your toe and now your best friend's starting a revolution
Anonymous No.717497572 [Report] >>717498582
>>717496957
i really love TW1's story, but i can't make it past a few hours because the gameplay is fucking ass
Anonymous No.717497781 [Report]
>>717496857
>that one ellowas animation
Anonymous No.717497945 [Report] >>717498252 >>717499554
>>717496574
nta but,
The protagonist, Booker DeWitt's last name means "The White", he has a brand of AD on his hand(labelling him as the "false shepherd"). Another version of Booker is also Comstock, the antagonist. There's a lot of historical revisionism and strange decisions. Blacks did not need to be imported to Columbia at all. The people would realistically rather be segregated from races like that, right? They're in the setting because Ken Levine wanted the setting to have racial discrimination so the player wouldn't see it as good and feel no remorse killing in brutal ways. Columbia is a caricature of religious zealotry, misconstrued old world racial discrimination, and idolatry of the founding fathers. There's a lot of stuff in the game designed to evoke white guilt. At the end you're drowned in a river by your daughter(s). There's a theme there that I'm not able to articulate, but there's other people online who've talked about it. I guess there's a 5-part video series on the topic, each video being like 1-2 hours long; though it talks a lot about history while discussing the game. If that's your thing.
Anonymous No.717498072 [Report] >>717499721
>>717496574
Vox Populi are just an excuse for Levine to claim that he's "nonbiased", but even they get put as good in the Burial at Sea DLC when the black chick is revealed to have actually been working with the Luteces and being good the whole time.

Bioshock Infinite is overall Levine being a massive whiny jewish cunt, bitching about both Christianity and America being evil and le RACISSST. And the original script was even more anti-Christian and even directly insulted Christ Himself until some writer told Levine to fuck off which is when he decided to rewrite things to be a bit less blatant. The whole story is also hidden beneath a Redditard plotline with multiverses that makes zero fucking sense and was done because Levine is a Rick and Morty loving Redditard who likes feeling dumb (his words, not mine)

Also also note that the only reason Infinite even exists is Levine got pissed a studio not built around him made the best Bioshock (Bioshock 2) which dared criticize his beloved commie ideology instead of some Conservative one. What a tool
Anonymous No.717498093 [Report]
Levine is based and all of his haters are literally nobodies
Anonymous No.717498149 [Report]
>>717495386
Reviewers back then weren't smart enough to understand the game.
They assumed the game had deep & intelligent themes about racism to justify the racist visuals, but it really is superficial, literal set-dressing.
Anonymous No.717498252 [Report]
>>717497945
Yeah, American Krogan. A bit of a wignat but ngl very great videos overall, too bad you have to be on Odysee to watch them
Anonymous No.717498297 [Report] >>717499617
>>717495645
>I'm still mad that you guys let me believe this was a real puzzle in the game for years.
What was it, though? Clearly not a puzzle, but it was presented as one. It really doesn't work as a story element, it's mind boggling as to what the intention was.
Anonymous No.717498506 [Report]
>>717496957
this, impactful choices with wide ranging consequences usually require more dev time to implement the different outcomes
they don't actually improve the game beyond "wow they accounted for that, cool"
it's not good value for dev time, consequences can be contained to individual quests, like they mostly were in witcher 3 and it's fine
Anonymous No.717498562 [Report] >>717498647
You can choose, anon

>be born as a free bird, getting to live 5 years if you're lucky and strong, or a few months if predators catch you or you starve (stronger birds wont let you eat before them)
or
>be born as a captive bird and live up to 23 years as a slave to some human, never knowing love or freedom
Anonymous No.717498582 [Report]
>>717497572
how can you love the story if you've played only a few hours?
Anonymous No.717498647 [Report] >>717498815
>>717498562
>always fed and safe
>let out of the cage
>can wander around
>those people who let their birds outside with them and even fly free
Anonymous No.717498815 [Report] >>717498923
>>717498647
>at the mercy of your god
>they may overfeed you or not feed you at all
>if they croak, forget you or otherwise become unavailable, you're doomed to a slow death
>they will pet your erogenous zones without realizing it and you'll become extremely horny for them, but you'll never get sex
>even more susceptible to predators (like the owners new cat) since you never learned to be afraid
Anonymous No.717498923 [Report]
>>717498815
>heh, making this other choice as a bird is bad
its a bird, not a human and not a human mind
Anonymous No.717499267 [Report] >>717499709
>>717496857
source on that picture?
Anonymous No.717499554 [Report]
>>717497945
>The people would realistically rather be segregated from races like that
Did you miss all the white man's burden posters and the whole purpose of columbia? It's meant to be a shining example of what society should be. The people in columbia want to show off their greatness. It's not rapture where andrew ryan was contempt to just slice off his own part of the world.
Anonymous No.717499617 [Report] >>717499873
>>717498297
It was just an activation code. A security code. If you have the code. That's all. It was more dramatic than say turning a dial for example.
Anonymous No.717499709 [Report]
>>717499267
click the little drop down arrow on his post and click image search
jfc anon
Anonymous No.717499721 [Report] >>717499908
>>717498072
Is your picture meant to be an example of a whiny jew? and even if the leader of the vox populi is a puppet that doesn't change the fact her followers never stopped to question what they were doing. They all still rampaged to threw columbia killing innocent people and who knows what else.
Anonymous No.717499873 [Report] >>717500039
>>717499617
>>717495645
>security code so bad, it can be hacked by random gusts of wind
>this is not a big deal tho because it's just the intro
literally what
Anonymous No.717499908 [Report] >>717500376
>>717499721
No, the picture is meant to show how retarded he is. You can just play Infinite to see his whininess, the entire game is just "America bad, Christianity bad, white man bad"
Anonymous No.717499973 [Report]
>>717494441
spbp by default due to kot image
Anonymous No.717500039 [Report] >>717500190 >>717500302
>>717499873
A random gust of wind will ring bells in that exact sequence?
Anonymous No.717500057 [Report]
>>717495386
idk but shooting guys in the funny museum of racism was the only part of the game I enjoyed
Anonymous No.717500190 [Report] >>717500462
>>717500039
>is that... is that even possible... if 3 bells get randomly pushed over and over again, that this could achieve a retardedly short sequence?
Anonymous No.717500227 [Report] >>717500293
>>717494128 (OP)
Bioshock Infinite was the closest I was to feeling like having a GF
Anonymous No.717500293 [Report]
>>717500227
>an undying, endlessly complaining force that will haunt you forever unless you jump out of the game
grim
Anonymous No.717500302 [Report] >>717500364
>>717500039
Don't bother. He wants to overthink a throwaway plot device.
Anonymous No.717500364 [Report]
>>717500302
>throwaway plot device
if your plot device is a throwaway, you are not writing good stories. you are producing meaningless slop for retards.
Anonymous No.717500376 [Report] >>717500495 >>717502840
>>717499908
You're retarded. Columbia effectively seceded from america. Elizabeth even shows you a future where the city invades new york. Pretty retarded for your take away to be america bad.
>white bad
The vox populi are not portrayed as good if they were you wouldn't say retarded shit like
>the dlc made them good
It revealed their leader was a puppet.That doesn't redeem her followers
>christianity bad
Booker just turns into a preachy holier than though asshole. Which is pretty common for born again christians which is what comstock is.
Anonymous No.717500462 [Report] >>717500625
>>717500190
If you ring any of the bells more or less then you are supposed to it doesn't work. Presumably it also doesn't work if you ring more then one bell simultaneously. You can't test that in the game however.
Anonymous No.717500495 [Report] >>717500971
>>717500376
I wonder if anyone would ever make a game like this, but about jews sucking the cut dicks of baby boys, or about muslims raping little kids to death on their wedding night.
or a game about a bunch of evil africans fucks enslaving their own brothers and selling them to jews for glass pearls.
just wondering.
Anonymous No.717500625 [Report] >>717501293
>>717500462
if you randomly ring all the bells over and over again, you can achieve the sequence in a handful of minutes. probably less.
>You can't test that in the game however.
of course you can't, because it's dogshit, but that is not up for debate. your inability to comprehend probability does not make this intro sequence any better.
Anonymous No.717500704 [Report]
Because it's exponentially more effort for basically no real gain.
Anonymous No.717500707 [Report]
>Front Mission 3
>one decision literally changes course of the game
>chosing one or the other is like a completely different story

Blew my mind as a kid
Anonymous No.717500971 [Report] >>717501037
>>717500495
Would you enjoy playing any of the things you just described? Comstock isn't evil because he's christian. He's evil because he's guilty man that won't face his own shit and instead focuses on the sins of other people. The game also explores Booker's own failures as an atheist. Namely selling off his own daughter after neglecting her to chase booze and gambling. Not a single point in the game talks about the catholic church or alter boys. The only christian thing that happens to you is you almost get drowned at the beginning of the game. Other then that the american theming is much more prevalent. Booker is an asshole regardless of what he believes is the take away.
Anonymous No.717501037 [Report] >>717501338
>>717500971
>Would you enjoy playing any of the things you just described?
You mean playing a normal human being hunting down evil jews and muslims, killing them in the most gruesome ways while listening to their cowardly screams?
Hell yeah. I would revel in it.
Anonymous No.717501293 [Report] >>717501626
>>717500625
Okay so the wind activates the bells. So a random lighthouse in the middle of nowhere has a pod prepared to be launched. Okay so mathematics whiz what are the chances that someone happens to stumble upon this particular lighthouse in the vast ocean after the winds blow in the perfect pattern to unlock the lighthouse. Now he has to understand what's inside and what function it has.
Rapture doesn't even have a security code.
It's security feature is it's in the middle of the ocean.
Anonymous No.717501338 [Report] >>717501459
>>717501037
You'd enjoy watching those sequences you described?
Anonymous No.717501434 [Report]
>>717495386
People understand nuances and didn't look for excuses to be angry about on internet those days. In other words, they're more sane.
Anonymous No.717501459 [Report]
>>717501338
I don't know, do you enjoy watching your comrades die in Battlefield?
Anonymous No.717501626 [Report] >>717502690
>>717501293
That's a whole lot of words to say
>yes, the security code is so dogshit, it could as well not be there in the first place. but it is there, just to demonstrate how retarded it is
brilliant design. well done. the very definition of "padding for retards", and you got baited by these absolute fools of designers into believing this is acceptable. you absolute clown.
Anonymous No.717502690 [Report]
>>717501626
I think the bell sequence is a strong security feature when you combine it with the thing it's guarding is in the middle of the ocean.
>the wind
Just make it automatically close after a period of time. The wind will almost never start and stop in that pattern anyway.
Anonymous No.717502840 [Report]
>>717500376
>Columbia effectively seceded from america
Columbia represents America as it was before Lincoln. You see them comically worship the founding fathers and depict Lincoln as some sort of devil figure. It's quite literally meant to be "classical America bad until it got enriched by the multiracial movement"
>It revealed their leader was a puppet.That doesn't redeem her followers
Her followers are constantly shown as oppressed and abused. Meanwhile there is zero justification given to Columbia's actual residents, the game portrays them are naturally evil and ignorant (there's a moment where a woman treats french as if it were some weird anti-American language when in reality french has always been a lingua franca).
>Booker just turns into a preachy holier than though asshole
Precisely. The game mocks the idea of baptism and Christian redemption, it says that Christians are hypocrites and evil. Note that there is an ACTUAL baptism meaning this isn't protestant pseudo-Christianity. Levine just wanted to make Christians look like arrogant fools.
>The game also explores Booker's own failures as an atheist. Namely selling off his own daughter after neglecting her to chase booze and gambling
And Christianity is treated like a meaningless bandaid done when Booker doesn't want to actually repent. It's extremely insulting to the faith on purpose
Anonymous No.717502987 [Report]
>>717495487
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_u18_BKczg
Anonymous No.717505126 [Report]
>>717495756
>no option to lick her feet
Trash.