Do you think there’s any hope for a decent Vampire game in the future? Likes of Baldur's Gate 3 devs would work Vampire Bloodlines game?

Also i miss her

Bloodlines 2 is going to be the Cyberpunk 2077 of vampire games and basically sabotage the genre for anyone else going forward.

>>717495667 (OP)
>Do you think there’s any hope for a decent Vampire game in the future?
lol no
vampires were already ruined by twilight in the 10s

Should I play masquerade?

You weren't supposed to start shilling until 13th.

>>717495891
>vampires were already ruined by twilight in the 10s
Funnily enough, early in Bloodlines 2, you get a pep talk on things like Twilight.

>>717495914
No, it'll make you depressed knowing that a janky buggy mess of a game from the early 2000s has more soul and heart put into it than 99% of games today, and that we'll never go back to that time.

>>717495667 (OP)
This doesnt say much other than that dialogue options uses short hands. The actual lines might be as good when she actually says them.

>>717496026
>This doesnt say much other than that dialogue options uses short hands
It's also untrue because they rewrote how the dialogue system works back in 2024.

>>717495667 (OP)
>Likes of Baldur's Gate 3 devs would work Vampire Bloodlines game?
>esltard wants even more faggot vampire shit
Not surprised.
>>717495891
Only thing ruined is your brain. Letting some shitty 2000s series live rent free in your head and permanently color your perception of a genre is extra pathetic.

>>717496091
>Letting some shitty 2000s series live rent free in your head
He said twilight, not vtmb unc

>>717495891
>vampires were already ruined by twilight in the 10s
Vampires were ruined long before then with gay shit like Anne Rice's faggot vampires, Dracula being turned into a mega-simp for Harker's cheating whore of a wife Mina, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, etc., etc.

>>717496000
If I did should I pick schizos?

>>717496091
OP here. Reason why i mentioned Baldur Gate 3 devs is because they did somewhat decent job with it. Devs of similar or higher quality might recreate what Bloodlines feel properly...maybe

>>717496000
i'm both blessed and cursed with the experience of living through 1995-2008 as a gamer, until i exit this flesh prison. VTMB even influenced my music taste for a while.

it is very depressing knowing how much regression has occurred, but it is still worth playing. even in its day, it still stood out for having a lot of soul

>>717496284
malkavians are amazing. i frequently wonder about, and wish i had played one in my first playthrough. i honestly don't know if they're better for a first or second playthrough.

>>717495667 (OP)
Sure just give me all of your money and I will make a Vampire game in a better setting.

>>717496831
kek

>>717496284
They literally will spoil you every ending

>>717495667 (OP)

Why are modern game devs allergic to giving you dialogue prompts that have the words you say? Is that illegal now? Is it a crime? To enjoy a succulent captioned dialogue option??

>>717496281
I was going to call bullshit because of the castlevania show and total war warhammer but then I remembered Alucard got fucked in the ass, one of the main vampires is a butch lesbian and no modern writer gives a damn about warhammer

>>717499252
It would take ages to read through all the options otherwise

>>717495667 (OP)
HATE vampires

>>717496284
>>717496691
I did my first run as a Malk because I love unconventional schizo babble and it was 100% worth it made my second run as a tremere feel enlightening when I realized what the dialogue options where really saying and I wasn't that far off from my initial guess

>>717499252
>Why are modern game devs allergic to giving you dialogue prompts that have the words you say?
They're not. OP is posting (at this point) very old footage of Bloodlines 2 when it had a different dialogue label system.

>>717495914
yes

>>717502281
What clan

>>717503307
Watch Sseth's video about it. He talks about clans too https://youtu.be/ZAIR9faz9pM?si=GvT0Jdjnjscf8nxR

Also lol

>>717503459
I did but he's a faggot and I don't trust his opinions

>>717503307
Malk if you aren't a pussy, anything else is fine the only clan I would never recommend on a first playthrough is the nosferatu

>>717503924
He sometimes recommends really decent games like SYNTHETIK

>>717504094
I like it when he reviews semi-unknown or obscure but fun games, reviewing shit like Elden ring or Elin or anything else that's well-known and that everyone is already playing feels like a waste

I want to believe so bad in this, but i know it will be utter shit from all the rewrites, drama and bullshit we have seen.
It is going to be the Dick Sukum of vampire games.

>>717503459
>blatant lie about god giving cain superpowers
i guess this is how Kenshifags felt

>>717504348
Vampire kinda in same limbo as Deus Ex, but worse

>>717503307
Toreador or Brujah if you want the best discipline in the game (Celerity). Malkavian or Nosferatu if you want the most clan-specific dialogue. Tremere if you "want to play a vampire game", but always play the nearest equivalent to a D&D Wizard in every RPG you play.

>>717504431
Who the fuck even owns the rights to Deus Ex atm?
Mankind Divided basically buried the franchise.
As for VTMB, i think it will go one of 2 ways.
Either its shit for VTMB cult fans, by making it too much like Mass Effect,Fallout 4. Or they push normiefags away and do a cult game for 500 sales.

>>717505023
>Deus Ex atm
Embracer Group, they cancelled a Deus Ex game recently

>>717495667 (OP)
>The WoD setting is squandered and fucked harder by its creators than WotC ever did D&D
>The only people still heavily invested lack the spark to make anything great

It's over forever.

>>717495667 (OP)
>words words words
leftist game

Why won't they ditch Bloodlines 2 and start over from 0? With another studio or give it japanese studio maybe

>>717508716
>Why won't they ditch Bloodlines 2 and start over from 0?
They did. What exactly do you think is releasing in 2 months?

>>717495891
lol people are still seething about twilight?

>>717508716
They did that. The new version looks somehow worse than the previous one.

>>717504649
Is clan specific dialogue fun for first playthrough?

>>717511089
no it doesn't lol

>>717505762
>Embracer Group, they cancelled a Deus Ex game recently

ufff, dodged that one

>>717495891
>vampires were already ruined by twilight in the 10s
you know twilight didn't invent faggy vampires right
twilight didn't do anything in the 2010s that interview with a vampire wasn't doing in the 1980s

>>717512334
kind of insulting to Dishonored desu

'Bloodlines 3 [Will be] Done by Someone Else:' Paradox Responds to Future of Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines After Sequel Debacle [Update] https://www.ign.com/articles/paradox-chinese-room-vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-2-sequel-someone-else

>>717511192
it is better for subsequent playthroughs
Malkavian dialogue options are full of spoilers
Nosferatu have to jump through some extra hoops but they turn the game into a comedy

>>717496394
>larianslop
>somewhat decent
BG3 is like all other larian games, decent to good opening act followed by absolute garbage.

What triggers this dialogue?

>>717512701
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYovbdepJ68
Give me just 2% of memorable shit Bloodlines had.

>>717495667 (OP)
vampires are fundamentally a gay creature
you'll never get anything good out of that

>>717512865
Probably threatening her (think that option is in the conversation after the spooky hotel), then doubling down on it.

Call me retarded but I somehow doubt Bloodlines 2 is going to be that bad. The original game is total shit in most aspects. It has memorable characters, great armosphere and soul but everything else is shit or mediocre. Writing and story is ok at best. Combat is extremely bad and the second half of the game is basically just the awful combat. The game gives you zero reason to side with the Camarilla. Exploration sucks ass because you have to trigger quest flags to make content appear in the various locations and there is basically nothing interesting in the world to find except for quest givers.

The characters are great but they have only very little dialog and content each.

>>717496091
>pretending that shitty 2000 series had no effect on the genre
your mind is an unrentable garbage dump

>>717512938
Netflix Castlevania can eat shit I'm glad people are finally moving past it, Alucard getting assfucked was so goddamn stupid

VtMB Total Bastard Playthrough (Ventrue) . https://youtu.be/gQ07vxSXkqE?si=j-srrZQBS28yRuG-

>>717495667 (OP)
Vampire series by Whitewolf? Fuck no.
Vampiore game in general? Sure.
I'm looking forward to Vampire Syndicates: Gangs of Moonfall personally.

>>717513548
>Combat is extremely bad and the second half of the game is basically just the awful combat.
ture but activision only let them playtest it for three weeks.

>>717495667 (OP)
That Dhampir game by the ex CDPR devs looks promising.

>>717513548
>AI slop-tier dialogue
>combat somehow worse than the original
>entire cast looks like extras from a drag show

>>717515259
wrong

>>717515123
>Dhampir game
?

>>717515775
The Blood Of Dawnwalker

>>717515441
Do you "guerrilla marketers" get paid hourly or by post?

How did V-Rising turn out? Seemed pretty cool back when I tried it.

>>717516215
It's good but the Vampire stuff feels more sprinkled on top of the generic fantasy ARPG.

>>717516082
shut up nigger
>>717516215
its ok, more fun coop but the castle building part of the gameplay was cool

>>717495667 (OP)
I think it's going to suck because it's going to take place in modern times and also be a product of modern times. It won't be charming at all and the music is going to suck.

>>717496284
Do NOT pick Malkavian or Nosferatu as your clan for the first playthrough.
>Malk (shizos)
They are fantastic for a second playthrough. Their dialogues pretty much spoil everything in hindsight, but it's really fun when you already know the general gist of the whole story and the main characters.
>Nosferatu
They are forced to traverse underground. A fun gameplay but only for those who played the game for like 3-4 times already and know the map by heart. I genuinely can't imagine what someone would think of the game if they'd play them for the first time.

>>717495667 (OP)
TCR actually captured the essence of the original Bloodlines, which leaned heavily into Action-RPG and combat sequences

Larian would make it another gay CRPG where you use dialogue options to molest a werewolf

>>717516504
>They are fantastic for a second playthrough. Their dialogues pretty much spoil everything in hindsight, but it's really fun when you already know the general gist of the whole story and the main characters.
I never understood this opinion, its not like the whispers tell you openly what will happen, and the cryptic riddle vibe to them only makes it better when you have no idea whats happening

>>717516436
Cybperunk and modern vampire setting are one of the few settings that can make a little bit woke work.

>>717516508
No one thought the action parts were good in Bloodlines and literally everyone just wanted more dialog and non combat options.

>>717495667 (OP)
It's ridiculous how much I miss the HSL version now that I've seen how TCR handles the role playing aspects.

>>717495667 (OP)
no. culture is too gay.

>>717516508
The original VTM had shit combat, but this really doesn't look good either.

>>717495667 (OP)
If it's done with the same grit and soul as Bloodlines and the old ttg

>>717517059
>but this really doesn't look good either.
It does actually. TCR nailed it
Hardsuit build does suck
>>717516853
>No one thought the action parts were good in Bloodlines
It doesn't matter, most of the questlines were about combat or combat with the option of stealth. The dialogue system was already barebones with minimal skill check that wouldn't allow to make it your playstyle. You could not make a non combat build and work through the game in the original, it had several sections outright ignoring that option.

voiced protag limitations strike again

>it doesn't matter
People want a Bloodlines game that plays to its strengths and not to its weaknesses.

God I wish I were a Nosferatu.

>>717517616
No, people are posers that didn't understand or even play the original. None of that shit >>717516954 was in VTMB

>>717517580
>ex-Bioware narrative quality designer

Crazy that paradox is spending more to shill this dogshit here than actually market it to normies.

>>717517720
The original is a shit game, mate. It's just all vampire media is awful so it still somehow managed to become the best vampire work.

>>717517898
I'm not your mate, nigger

Beware. The game informer samefag is posting here. He’s trying to be subtler now that he’s been BTFO so many times

>>717495667 (OP)
no

>>717517864
>>717518037
schizoid

>>717517898
I liked it when patched and TCR bloodlines 2 looks like it will improve it

>>717518553
I hope they make mid combat blood sucking smoother or make you less depended on it because it was always such a flow breaker.

>>717518686
You'll be pleased to know they've positively compared it to Doom's "glory kills", and it's basically mandatory for using powers in their system.
>>717518553
>frenzy
>unironically
ggnore

my wife

>>717518686
I liked it. You had to be smart about it but it was basically a way to reset the fight if you nailed it
Feeding will be much faster in 2 so I think the rewards will be much lower

>>717518783
>>frenzy
>>unironically
What kind of c*ck plays with high humanity?

>>717495667 (OP)
Vampires in 2025: We literally kill people and drink their blood, but we would never, ever, EVER say or do anything bad to LGHDTV's and minorities.

>>717518910
Cute ones!

the SJW era permanently handicapped the entire game industry, holy shit. You still have abominations like this being stillbirthed out all these years later. The game is going to be vanilla dogshit.

>>717518830
The enemy AI was stupid as fuck so not really. It was always extremely easy to replenish blood pools mid combat. I looked forward to fighting the Sabbat because I expected far less humans but then the Sabbat had tons of humans among their ranks, seemingly just so you could replenish your blood pool.

>>717519381
Wasn't it said that the Sabbat turn everyone into a vampire to create an army that is low quality but high quantity? They seemingly only had humans and experienced vampires among their ranks that could use high level vampire skills so they were exactly the opposite of their description.

I don't like when they give you the cheeky response but all it does is cause a loop back and you have to answer it with the "real" answer.

>>717495667 (OP)

>>717521719
You could have at least posted a screenshot for your faggy bump.

>>717521867
dont tell me what to do

I fell for the meme game, started as Brujah and it wasn't very good

>>717496284
Yes, the retards who told people "do not pick the most interesting class" have always been wrong.

>>717522578
It's not wrong, Malkavian is way better if you have the contrast to how it normally is. But the game is just not good enough to replay multiple times.

>>717523398
im gay btw if that matters

>>717523718
Yeah it makes your opinion even more valuable for a vampire game, especially on malkavians. Only thing that could raise the bar even further is if you were trans.

>>717515915
oh

>>717495667 (OP)
only hope is that it's moddable and some autist makes it playable in about a decade

>>717496284
Yes malk as first playthrough is incredible if you like weird shit and being confused. You can't really get that kind of experience in any other rpg

>>717526313
indeed

>>717512829
lol

>>717500145
...for a mutt with barely functional Common Core (il)literacy.

>>717503459
Buy an ad.

>>717495667 (OP)
You forget that there is only two outcomes to any dialogue in Bloodlines.

>>717532280
its not about the illusion of choice, its more how about you would character would response in the dialogue
its like being able to say "uh, thanks, DAD" to Strauss even though its the same meaning as "hmm, i see, thank you"

>>717495667 (OP)
I'm optimistic about blood of the dawnwalker

Vampire the maquerada redemption 2 by Larian would be GOTY

>>717532782
Ching chong ping pong

>>717532532
holy shit i had a stroke typing this apparently, but you get the idea

>>717495667 (OP)
Paradox owns the IP so no.

>>717532782
>by Larian
They would turn the grit into cringe.

>>717532782
Larian makes everything it touches gay

>>717532782
>larian
dude sex!

>>717518830
>You had to be smart about it
How? You just chugged

>>717517898
there's tons of good vampire media, the problem is most people just never look outside of what's thrown in front of their faces in modern pop culture.

>>717533547
wod is both cringe and grit

>>717535849
>>717536005
very fitting for wod, I know you have an alergic contrarian reaction when you hear the name of a popular thing, but they are the best existing game company for this kind of project

>>717533547
I'm sure the Chinese Troon will do a better job

>>717495667 (OP)
>Do you think there’s any hope for a decent Vampire game in the future?

>>717536826

>>717536180
>very fitting for wod
Can't wait for the Garou fucking
>alergic contrarian reaction when you hear the name of a popular thing
You are right, Vampire should be altered to reach a mainstream audience. We have to have the line on the graph go up, maybe a short animated series to accompany the new game so those funkopops really sell. A Sabbat dating sim should be the end goal.
>best existing game company for this kind of project
If that is true then a new game company needs to be formed, it's not that difficult if you hire actual workers for the game and not hr, marketing and customer research cunts.

>>717537306
wod was the secondmost popular tabletop series at one point, world of darkness did reach "mainstream audience"

>>717537306
numbers going up is a good thing actually, you'd understand if you weren't an uneducated moron

>>717537608
>secondmost popular tabletop
>mainstream
In that genre it is mainstream, video games are a completely separate situation. Warhammer is undisputed in wargaming circles but with video games it only started to appeal to the mainstream with Space Marine 2, both Dawn of War and Bloodlines really took off in fame years after their release. Bloodlines now being popular with what I would call the video game mainstream audience does not being I want to see remake because it would altered to fit it's new fans rather then being true to the original for example.
>>717538586
So true, I love what Disney has done to Star Wars. More live action Superhero movies really make the genre wonderful, especially with Superman discussions moving from Christopher Reeve to what actor and director combo the hordes of Indian moviegoers prefer.

>>717539054
you already made your own interpretation of what mainstream is, its useless arguing with you

>>717539181

>>717539332
holy reddit

>>717539054
but Disney made SW numbers go down, when numbers were going up the anime industry produced the most high quality OVAs, Hollywood produced timeless classic after timeless classic.

>>717539537
What exactly do the Salubri have? Is it something between the Tremere and the Old Clan Tzimisce?

>>717536154
Like? In my experience when people say there is cool vampire media then they always mean something that barely has anything to do with vampires like Blade or some anime.

>>717539876
>What exactly do the Salubri have?
Guilt

>>717539876
the indomitable human spirit

>>717496284
>>717500257
>>717516658
>>717522578
>>717526313
Malk as a first playthrough suck ass because youre replacing well-written dialogue with Pickle Rick humour. You're losing half of what makes the game interesting (The dialogue, the immersion and the atmosphere).
Theyre decent as a second playthrough or if you dont care about any of what ive written above and youre the kind of guy who really liked playing High on Life.

Nosferatus on the other hand, are kino asf if you want an unconventional weird playthrough.

so they removed the healer/support discipline from Salubri in V5? So they have literally nothing, only downsides?

>>717495667 (OP)
>likes of Baldur's Gate 3 devs would work Vampire Bloodlines
why the fuck would I want turn-based ass-vomit gamedevs to touch my imsim rpg you worthless tranny?

>>717541392
They wouldn't. They made it very clear they are not going to again work for some jew IP to give up a huge percentage for basically nothing. World of Darkness is not even a popular tabletop.

>>717541392
Do you think Larian only made turn based games?

>>717496284
yes because you probably won't replay the game and they are the most fun to play

>>717499158
>>717516504
no they don't spoil anything if you don't already know the ending. and who the fuck cares about the ending anyway

>>717540743
this is objectively wrong, malk dialogue is no just wacky it's filled with metaphores and obscure historical/mythological references which you will have fun reading if you are at all cultured.

>>717541392
Bg3 is a better imsim than most

>>717540743
>Pickle Rick humour.
you're insecure.

>>717541695
Yes
Divinity: Dragon Commander was half turn-based so ignoring that they haven't made a game with real gameplay since 2010 (which was 15 years ago btw)

>>717505842
This is what I really liked about the Malkavian playthrough. You're just spitting schizo shit that NPCs are like "What the fuck?", but then it dawns on them that you're actually spitting some hard truths. You're both a Reddit quirky chungus and some demented seer who knows secret truths.

Too bad the retards involved with the IP ignore all that and only see the stop signs being talked to and how "problematic" it is for people with mental illness.

>>717541995
>Yes
>then acknowledging ego draconis which was real time
no they didn't make only turn based games?

>>717541881
>controlling a board of tiny figurines
>immersive
oh yeah, just like irl when I grab my own neck and drag myself around to do shit
not to mention the handholding bullshit of having a radiobuddy implanted in your head. can't have you take two steps without giving you some social stimulation. wouldn't want to you be forced to think for yourself to half a fucking millisecond

>>717542185
>You're both a Reddit quirky chungus and some demented seer who knows secret truths.
that's still what they are in V5

>>717542261
Minus any entertaining writing, yeah

>played Night Road
>played Parliament of Knives
>started then dropped Coteries of New York
>haven't yet played polish lesbo game
Night Road was my personal favourite, I want an experience like that but from a Sabbat perspective - Tzimisce would play and read very well in my view. Parliament was good though I wasn't overly fond of the overarching story, it definitely had it's moments though with those like Bouchard.

>>717542204
There are actual choices and simulation aspects though.

Vampire Bloodlines has literally zero simulation. Hell, it's fucking cringe as fuck how 95% of sound effects in the game are just lazily inserted into the game as generic background noise that is supposed to fool you that the world is alive. Shit is anti simulation.

>>717542204
you are a mental midget, nigger

>>717542372
>haven't yet played polish lesbo game
play her game now, then play the third game to finish the story
PoK was better than NR imo, I hate the malysian obvioud author self insert

>>717542372
I'll check out Night Road. Thanks.

>>717542372
>>717542747
What is polish lesbo game?

>>717542849
Shadows of New York

>>717512865
Low Humanity actually have exclusive dialog. Some are pretty brutal.

>>717542372
Old time DM here... from where I stand the trouble with Sabbat games in general is that you need to completely ignore huge chunks of the setting for it to be manageable (if only, the paths and the factions informed by them), or you need players that are very much aware of those things, and on the same page.
Sabbat vampires are supposed to barely think like humans anymore, having suffered very heavy indoctrination.
In interactive fiction form, this would lead to a lot of "tell, don't show", which would very much make the player feel deprived of role-playing ownership.

>>717540743
Malk as a first playthrough works very well if coming from the tabletop. I don't think it should be so hard if you're not, most of the hints about the main plot aren't hard to decypher (I mean, to pick one "daughter of janus" isn't exactly subtle), so it's mainly an issue of how much attention one is willing to give. Your mileage may vaey, I guess.

>>717542979
Is it actually any good or it another bit of horrendous dogshit that people only like because girls are gay in it?

>>717542372
>I want an experience like that but from a Sabbat perspective
Why are they so afraid of giving us this? It would be so kino.

Like you don't have to have babies roasting over a fire on spits. You can just have one of the more humane vampires learning the ins and outs of their weird semi-religious micro culture and deciding to stay or run. Shovelhead really leans in to the newbie experience these game seem to love to portray.

>>717540743
it's mostly cryptic and occult stuff, sure there's some pickle rick type stuff but those kind of dialogue options are kind of rare

>>717543053
it was ok, didn't really finish it
it's worth it just to start the game and listen to that first track at the main menu
seriously

Are there mages in the game? It crazy how there seems not a single work out there that has WoD mages, I literally don't even know what they are just that they exist.

>>717543028
I'm just sad for the "intimidation" skill checks that seem to be impossible to pass.

>>717543028
https://youtu.be/0_vY7lQwjpc?si=quPy501je2VXHOkX yeah

>>717543053
its a cool whodunit detective story visual novel imo
>because girls are gay in it?
that also helps

>>717540036
read the classics? dracula of course but also carmilla and my fav the family of the vourdalak. how about hammer and other euro films? all the christopher lee draculas, black sunday (close enough) the night of the devils, herzog's nosferatu. habit (1997), low budget but has that urban decay feeling & look that really fits wod

>hey I like this game and setting, what else is there
>only absolute dog shit or you can read rule books like some autist
Is there a more mismanaged franchise?

>>717543053
Depends on how much you love WoD vampire and VNs. I mostly liked it, but I'm highly amenable to both. Main character is actually an interesting persona for once.

Though I didn't like the first VN all that much and haven't finished the 3rd, yet. So that might tell you I don't LOVE VNs. It's to short and linear though.

>>717543210
there is ONE mage interactive fiction that was utter shit, and ONE mage side character in Night Road

>>717543053
I didn't much like it myself, but then I don't get VN as a genre. Too little interactions to be worthwhile as far as I'm concerned.
That said, my friends that are into the genre found it decent enough.

>>717543383
You can make your own Vampire game right now, just use V5 :)

>>717543182
OST is so fucking good

>>717543318
Are those all vampires as the villain? Not saying these are bad, just not what I am looking for as I'm more interested in vampire society kind of things.

>>717540743
It's almost all literature and mythological references, they did an excellent job at doing the POV of a mad prophet and there's nothing quite like it in vidya.

>>717543318
hey do you have a link to family of the vourdalak in original french?

>>717543739
then say that up front

Don't vampires get bodied by pretty much everything else in the setting if it's not antediluvians or Cain? How do they even survive?

>>717543862
https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/La_Famille_du_Vourdalak

>>717543889
they integrated themselves into society like a true 1% parasite

>>717543989
thanks
tried 2 different wiki pages and didn't see this

>>717542747
I honestly forget about the homo hipster asian muslim and it's like a flashbang when he turns up, I have never once gone down either his personal route or his political one.
>>717543034
It might just be my desire to see Tzimisce as playable in a video game but I would accept a linear vn at this point. Do you have any further comments on Sabbat stuff (either as enemies or player characters)? I find that sort of stuff very interesting.
>>717542774
Don't trust the Mexicans
>>717543161
Honestly I think it is simply a case of them not being able to comprehend the Sabbat as anything other then "they seem like murderhobos so they must be npc hostiles". That character sheet of a Ventrue knight fighting for the Sabbat is always a good read. I like the dichotomy of Tzimisce politeness and protocol, I think that would a really cool experience to start as a shovelhead and try to adapt to those ancient customs which were frankly never meant to include you as you were not meant to enter into them.

>>717544108
To me it felt like everyone and their mother knows they exist + the tons of infighting with anarchs, sabbat and kuei-jin. Hunters being on their dicks constantly and being highly successful. But maybe that's just Los Angeles and other provinces are far more successful in the masquerade.

>>717543889
desu cross-splat isn't really 'in the setting' in the same sense as other properties, shouldn't take it too seriously or try to make everything they each says all make sense as a unified setting.

>>717542372
I'm thinking the people hoping from its title ("Shadow & Silk) that one of the two Bloodlines 2 DLC clan is going to be Lasombra are way too hopeful (I mean, Nosferatu works too), but wouldn't that be intresting to wake up a Sabbat Elder at a time where the sect basically imploded?

>>717544239
*as you were not meant to enter into them as you were expected to be dust within the month.

>>717543383
You just now that it is in fact an amazing setting just by the fact that anything made it immediately sparks interest even when it's not very good, but it is really cursed.

>>717544343
I think they said something about one of the DLC clans massively changing the gameplay (you need to search this one i might be asspulling), so it very well might be Nos

>>717544343
Personally I have written off Bloodlines 2 but that would reawaken a level of interest (though not faith in it being done well) within me. I think that would only really be worth it to me if you had the option of actively trying to get the band back together though the concept itself is cool.

>>717544239
I don't know that I hae anything to add on the Sabbat - or any part of the game really - in a vacuum.
That said, I'm thinking making Tzimisce playable in video game form is always going to to come with the heavy damocles sword of adapting Vicissitude. The tabletop version is barely manageable with heavy DM intervention. A video game version would probably need to throw any ghoul making/heavy body modification on the wayside. Making it more flourish than anything (twisted bodie of dead enemies, for example).
Whatever any dev does, I'm thinking people are going to fall on them like birds of prey.

>>717544343
>>717544503
Theres zero chance its Nos. The target audience for this game is unfuckable fat women who read fanfics, 0 of whom play nosferatu. Its gonna be Lasombra.
Not to mention that a Nosferatu clan would require major rewrites (unless they just go the Nightroad route and have the nossie use Mask-of-a-thousand-face to look like a normal human 99% of the time but then whats the point of having nosferatu)

>>717543210
old wod Mage is so fucking weird, I can barely conceptualize in my mind what a game is supposed to be like let alone a video-game adaptation, nWod mage is more structurally sound, but most people find it more boring, I could see it being adapted.

>>717544991
>unfuckable fat women who read fanfics
usually we simply call those vampire fans

>>717544991
>unfuckable fat women who read fanfics
boy you should have seen the average vampire table during 90s, prime way to score prime fat goth pussy

>>717543210
Theres a mage character in Bloodlines. He owns a shop in chinatown. Its subtle but heavily implied and if you use auspex on him or play malkavian you pretty much confirm it

>>717545251
I can only imagine...

>>717544612
One very big probelm this game has so far is how close to their chest they've kept the plot/writing. What very little they've shown so far I personally found lackluster, but that's the thing, there's so very little it's hard to forge a decent opinion.
For example, seeing mentions of Constantinople in the game makes me feel, on top of some the interviews, that someone on the writing team did the homework... but's there's not enough to confirm anything.

>>717495667 (OP)
There is always hope. Bloodlines 2 isn't it though.
I would recommend the choose your own adventure games, at the very least Night Road, but Out for Blood and Parliament of Knives are also enjoyable. I've heard some people here say they actually prefer Parliament of Knives, even.

>>717545273
I don't think it's very clear what Mr. Ox is. He might be a asian nephandi or something. But it's also possibly more likely he's a literal asian demon/akuma.

The fact his name is a reference to a real historical chinese mythological being associated with the underworld suggest something less conventional.

>>717545663
>Out for Blood
the thinblood in that game is a cutie, a shame that the writing is kinda teen drama tier

>>717545251
>prime
>fat

>>717545567
>One very big probelm this game has so far is how close to their chest they've kept the plot/writing.
And who knows how many rewrites they had?

>>717545921

>>717542185
they trully believe people with mental illness make up a considerable percentage of their target audience.
>>717503913
yes thats what the "cast button" does. you select magic and cast it with the "cast button". is he retarded?
>>717504290
elin became popular cause he reviewed elona+ back in 2017
I liked his videos when spent half the video talking about how he had fun with the game and the other half explaining inside jokes, now he just reads off mechanics from a list and it sounds so boring.

>>717545937
That too, with the Fabien rewrite somewhat worrying.
The PI idea is sound enough. There's /very/ little margin for error in the execution though (and I mean writing and acting both).

>>717546018
imagine a tzimisce architect

>>717495667 (OP)
CDPR should've developed this

First time playing, I obviously agree with Camarilla but I'm just gonna go Anarch for the slim chance of Damsel pussy

>>717546292
>There's /very/ little margin for error in the execution though (and I mean writing and acting both).
They need to avoid sassy quips and make him talk as little as possible

>>717546431
that's how they get ya

>>717495667 (OP)
>Likes of Baldur's Gate 3 devs would work Vampire Bloodlines game?
I'm only here to tell you to go fuck yourself

>>717546431
Rawdogging damsel and whispering "One Prince. One Camarilla. One Purpose. Heil Lacroix" in her ear just as you bust

>>717546562
>Heil Lacroix
gay

>Here's your badass g-man leader of an elite glowie organisation that hunts vampires, bro

>>717546561
why?

>>717546431
>agree with Camarilla
enjoy the boot, drone

>>717546431
Anon, I...

>>717546562
At least pick... I don't know, Hardestadt the Elder, or something.

>>717546562
>This is what Lacroix simps actually believe

>>717546760
You could say any giganigga ventrue and it wouldnt elicit a stronger reaction in Damsel than the name of Lacroix would, simply because he's the direct and immediate figure of authority in her life that represents everything she hates. its not that complicated

>>717546562
He's a frog, anon. Some things undeath do not overcome.

>>717546671
Can't say I'm a fan, but again, matter of execution. True Faith can make it work.

>>717495914
yes but wait until summer is over, it's extremely autumncore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_F4YewmOR0

>>717546671
Whenever I see some abbo looking black character in a vidya game these days that Blue Swede song Hooked on a Feeling starts playing but instead of OOGA CHAKA OOGA OOGA the track goes OOGA BOOGA OOGA OOGA OOGA BOOGA OOGA OOGA OOGA BOOGA OOGA OOGA AH CANT STOP DIS THIEVIN

>>717546949
yeah, but it's gay af so it cancels out the value of making her seethe

>Black vampires outside the filthy rabble of Brujah and Gangrel

>>717546953
But anon...I am a frog aswell

>>717496281
Sounds like even Carmilla is too woke for your taste, what kinda vampire media does a puritan like you recommend then? ancient slavic folktales told by gippsies in romania?

Also, I really don't get why everyone calls immortality a curse. Like woe is me I have to suck off some homeless qq, like bitch you're in your fucking 20s forever, you can suck off guys till the day you die which is never.

>>717547258
Even that is too much. Brujah and gangrel are two aspects of White european romanticism. The only black vampires I can tolerate are Tremere (because that are usurpers anyway) and the african breeds like Naglopers

>>717547453
go play the thousand year old vampire solo rpg, then come back to me
>>717547471
shut up nigga lmao

>>717547608
*rapes you violently with my 16 inch purple Garou cock*

Anyone played Prelude I and II, the mods for VTMB where you play as a Hunter? I played Prelude 1 so far im about to start 2. Its very obvious that its a fan mod but I think its decently done and im having fun

>>717547821
Only Prelude 1, its definitely interesting, locations are good, really good actually

>>717546712
The game's meta voice tries so hard to make the Camarilla seme like a bad organization but honestly they're pretty reasonable. Like even in bloodlines objectively, if you survive, you get a nice apartment, powerful contacts, and a hot ghoul being a toady for the Camarilla. Only because the game demands an end does it force a storyline where it can go sour with a dangerous prince. Most in his position would be planning conservatively to the level of decades ahead. Also realistically, you could just jet to another city, pay some ez homage, and set up shop with your hot redhead servant/gf and a boatload of experience.

Fun fucking times. Being a low to mid vampire is just real life but better, with slightly more lethal rules you can navigate if you take them seriously.

>>717495667 (OP)
this didn't work in Fallout 4, why would anyone do this now?

>>717548208
The Cam seems a little empty as a conclusion unless you're Tremere or to a much lesser extent Ventrue. You're putting Max in charge which seems like a pretty massive swing in the favor of Tremere with both Lacroix and Groust dead.

Going Anarch or flipping off Nines does feel more like you tipped a small scale in Jihad

>>717548208
Meta is kinda weird because the game calls you neonate/fledgling but since you're filling all five dots so quick and you can use multiple Disciplines at once, gameplay wise you do operate like an 8th gen.

>>717548661
it worked in cyberpunk

>>717495667 (OP)
No. It's a world wonder that BG3 is as good as it is.

>>717548740
>You're putting Max in charge which seems like a pretty massive swing in the favor of Tremere with both Lacroix and Groust dead.
My favorite exchange in the entire game is with Strauss, when he tells you that he serves the clan, Camarilla and Prince, and you ask him "in that order?"

>>717547196
Still worth it, anon. Making her seethe is worth a couple minutes of walking through rainbow hell. Besides, gay af is the meta now-just lean into it ironically until it loops back to being based.

The game should have been made by Larian.

>>717549023
Mostly because your choices hardly ever mattered.
So far the only game I can think that justified the conversation-wheel in its overall game/narrative design and managed to make it work is Alpha Protocol.

>>717549316
Couldn't be an action game but it would be pretty great to play a crew of shmucks, turned to various clans and dealing with the fallout of their second life.

>>717548208
Lacroix just sucks as a prince

Bloodlines was lightning in a bottle, even with a competent and passionate developer team it's never going to happen again

>>717549023
It works in Cyberpunk and Witcher 3 because youre not creating a character, you are playing an already established character with a name and personality.
For example, you cant play a V who is a cold, calculating corpo. V will ALWAYS speak with street slang and be like "holy shit! that was fucking crazy like dayum!". Same for the Witcher, you play Geralt, not a character you created.

>>717549750
Well in the new Bloodlines you're not playing a character you create. You're playing Phyre.

>>717549316
I know youre baiting but a tabletop-inspired VtM game made by Larian would actually rock. I can imagine the various disciplines being applied to their style of turn-based combat

>>717549835
Yep, and thats why I'm mailing anthrax spores to the Paradox HQ

>>717549868
Actually I want The Mage game. I don't like vampires.

>>717549973
Can you give me a QRD on Mage, I actually know nothing about them except they are crazy powerful and serve the technocracy.

>>717549938
Personally I prefer an established character over a blank slate if the writing is halfway decent. I just think it's totally retarded you start as a "young" Elder instead of someone freshly turned to a High Generation.

>>717550075
They don't serve the technocracy, they fight them.

>>717550075
It's urban fantasy setting. You can do anything with it, high fantasy, low fantasy, sci-fi, cyberpunk etc. because high level mages are basically omnipotent.

>>717516508
>>717517498
>guy moves crosshair over enemy
>shoots
>still misses
>absolute jank movement and melee
uhh...do you actually think this looks good? Or by nailed it do you mean in the sense it looks just as awful as the original? Combat in Bloodlines 2 looks god awful

>>717549973
Personally the appeal of mage escapes me compared to the roleplay in Vampire, Changeling, or Demon.

>>717549750
>For example, you cant play a V who is a cold, calculating corpo. V will ALWAYS speak with street slang and be like "holy shit! that was fucking crazy like dayum!"
Uhh...Did you forget in Cyberpunk you literally create your character with options that determine their dialogue? Cyberpunk's /v/ is a literal player surrogate and you do in fact make choices throughout the game. You create his entire background/life, nothing like Geralt, retarded comparison

>>717516508
guns are temporary pick ups, their combat system is worse than in the first one

>>717516508
What's the point of that... Idk, flip?

>>717496394
>did somewhat decent job with it
its good RPG but make no mistake its a horrible BG game. They would do the same with VTMB.

>>717550734

Just like Geralt, V has a pre-established name, a pre-established personality and pre-established friends and acquaintances. Sure you can make a few choices, but its just like how in Witcher 3 you can choose what you want Geralt to say or how you want him to react to a certain situations. Theres a degree of choice but it stays within the limits of Geralt/V's predetermined personality.

Your V has a pre-established canon first name (Vincent or Valerie) much like Geralt. Oh you wanted to roleplay that your V is a japanese girl who interned at Arasaka and eventually was assigned to the Night City division? Too bad, your name is Valerie fuck you.

Your V will always talk like a hoodrat street kid and will always have an impulsive and excited voice. Wanted to roleplay a cold, calculating corpo who speaks softly and with disdain? Too bad, fuck you! You will say "aw fuck this piss is shit fuck fuck gonk ass" and you will like it!

Your V will always be a moralfag. Want to be a "the end justifies the means" sociopath who doesnt care about the suffering of others? Too bad, fuck you! V will whine and cry about every prostitute who gets slapped by her boyfriend.

Want to play a V in control of his emotions? Too bad, fuck you! V will freak out and go "Woah! holy shit!" at anything that happens to him (e.g Delamain ramming his car, etc).

V is not your character. You only think that because they named him/her with a single letter. Replace the letter V with "Bob" for every dialogue in the game and suddenly you realize its not a blank slate its a very defined and very specific character.

>>717516508
gun telekinesis is the cringiest shit ever, what discipline is that suppose to be?

>>717550734
>options that determine their dialogue?
Which ones? The life paths have some minor changes in conversations and basically one intro and one quest each to differentiate them.
Everything else? The character is the same. A Corpo V suddenly forgets things about the standards of living that used to be his/hers and misses points in conversations; often, decisions are taken from your hands and imposed on you. For some reasons, you can't but have that very aggressive reaction to Kurt Hansen (someone not worse than most of the big players you meet in game), or if you're playing female V you can't but gush at River Ward in some of the conversations about him, to give a couple examples.

>>717551573
Thaumaturgy, actually.

>>717495667 (OP)
check VtM Reawakened

>>717550915
Guns as a pick up would be great if it was 3rd person beat em up but the fact it's 1st person, constantly switching to 3rd, is pretty stupid.

>the chinese troon is too incompetent to code an inventory system
lmao

>>717551998
What do you mean? There is no switching to third.

>>717551998
yeah guns as temporary pickups was a lot of fun in bloodrayne

>>717552151
>>717551998
My bad, just realised, you meant the old HSL version.

>>717495667 (OP)
there are so many series i would rather Larian work on before Vampire.

>>717495846
but Cyberpunk 2077 is a critically acclaimed mega hit comeback sensation that's sold like 15 million units?

>>717552151
Theres gameplay vids in this thread, bro. Many powers in the game switch you to 3rd person when you use them

>>717516508
hardsuit looks like janky kino, tcr looks soulless

>>717552768
stop bending backwards for a piece of shit that makes starfield look good

>>717495667 (OP)
>first person only
What's the point of a vtmb game if I can't look at my sexy malk?

>>717552982
The good news is that you don't have a sexy malk to look at anyway.
The bad news is that you don't have a sexy malk to look at anyway.

>>717552982
>Here's your sexy malk, bro

>>717495667 (OP)
larian is doing a scifi game next so no

>>717495667 (OP)
This is clearly not bloodlines 2
Why are they calling it bloodlines 2
Just call it vampire the masquerade: something else
'bloodlines' isn't even particularly marketable, everyone just calls it vampire or vtm anyway

>>717541016
Yes
despite the whole Anarch wank in 5th Edition, Salubri, the most persecuted clan ever, was made to be even more persecuted, as their blood is now Vampire cocaine, they can't use Disciplines without breaching the masquerade and have a compulsive need to help everyone around them.

>>717495846
The difference between this and CP2077 is that the latter was built around years of hype and had massive interest from normalfag while the former is a sequel to a cult classic which takes place in setting that barely anyone knows about.
>inb4 no barely anyone knew about Cyber Punk, true but it made up for that by being both by the CD Projekt Red, having Keanu Reeves, and a massive amount of other bullshit behind it. This has nothing, a few text games maybe and some live plays, nothing close to critical roll and anything else that normalfags eat up.

>>717495667 (OP)
Evil West wasn't half bad for a budget AA game. Though you're killing the vampires there.

>>717541016
As with most specialty discplines, exist in form of amalgams now.

>>717516508
This looks like shit, somehow worse than VtMB.

>>717553570
because they're using the clans(even if in a pretty limited way) and it's (loosely) based on the original.

the Hardsuit version would've been more of a real sequel, but from all that we saw it was genuinely cringier and shittier than the NotDishonored game that TCR is making.

>>717553926
almost nobody knew cyberpunk was a pre-existing thing, the hype was entirely bc it was cdpr and it was a giant change of direction from the fantasy stuff

i sincerely hope nobody actually has tried to cope saying it was because of the fucking board game

>>717554180
>almost nobody knew cyberpunk was a pre-existing thing, the hype was entirely bc it was cdpr
I literally said that, I put it in the inb4 and everything.

>>717499252
Because modern audiances have add.

>>717554240
i just dont even know why you included that whole part of your post bc i don't think a single soul on earth has ever even implied it

>>717550075
>>717543210
There is a really great mage actual play, no gay stuff, not a single pronoun in sight just a cool urban fantasy story, now that I think about it, it's weird to think about how much has changed in this culture.

https://forum.rpg.net/threads/actual-play-mage-the-awakening-the-broken-diamond-contains-reign-of-the-exarchs.279847/

>>717555024
Aside from the fact that you said the exact thing that I pointed out right after it?

>>717555320
Is there audio?

>>717555781
No, but there's a pdf version that is easier to read, it's worth it if you are interested in the setting.

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/48vmtv7bkgbln9m71efhq/AJ8_u9mbanjzrIO9BUqJIyE?rlkey=f3cav8h5i4r70vqvf6cvo6h8m&e=2&dl=0