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Anonymous No.717499702 >>717499764 >>717499875 >>717500325 >>717500816 >>717501057 >>717501158 >>717501164 >>717501223 >>717501334 >>717501527 >>717501967 >>717501991 >>717502003 >>717502350 >>717502498 >>717502551 >>717503075 >>717503798 >>717505679 >>717506316 >>717506781 >>717507249 >>717507690 >>717508157 >>717508474 >>717508527 >>717508647 >>717508662
Name a flaw
Anonymous No.717499758
Last Surprise is a shit song.
Anonymous No.717499764 >>717503961 >>717508283
>>717499702 (OP)
Makoto's *too* cool.
Anonymous No.717499875
>>717499702 (OP)
>flaw
>Haru
>the fucking sci-fi castle
Anonymous No.717499892 >>717499945 >>717500238
Saw this on sale from humble, thinking of picking it up.

What's the difference between the original and Royal?
Anonymous No.717499945
>>717499892
Royal has more content and qol. Just buy Royal.
Anonymous No.717500238
>>717499892
on the many occasions where the game turns into a visual novel for half an hour or more, with royal you can just put the controller down and watch it, whereas in the original, after every line you have press the button to move to the next line in the dialog
Anonymous No.717500325 >>717500719
>>717499702 (OP)
you can't marry Caroline/Justine/Lavenza.
Anonymous No.717500609
punishment event for being a haremGOD
Anonymous No.717500717
I'm still an incel and I spent 120 hours (I just started Shido's palace) staring at joker doing cool shit going on dates going outside saving the world
Anonymous No.717500719
>>717500325
You can't marry anyone.
Anonymous No.717500816 >>717502257
>>717499702 (OP)
the writing is really bad. I can't imagine giving a single shit about any of the targets and their deal, and the execution of the entire second half is botched. The main plotline is legitimately somehow significantly worse than 3 and 4 despite how flawed both of those were, it's insane they weren't able to iterate and improve on previous entries and instead fucked up even harder.

if you play in English you're reading a translation by people who clearly weren't good enough at Japanese to understand the original script at many different points and were just guessing, and somehow hundreds of instances of this were not caught in QC and some of them made it all the way to dub recording, immortalizing these mistakes since they haven't bothered to re-record these wrong lines as far as I know

the rpg gameplay is pretty braindead, you have very few opportunities to make interesting decisions because of how centralising hitting weaknesses is to worthwhile strategies, and the meta-gameplay of resource management is dragged out over monotonous, homogenous dungeons with very little in the way of mechanical interest

The social links are written pretty badly too, there are some real headshakers and unsatisfying stories being told there.

Also, morgana exists
Anonymous No.717501057
>>717499702 (OP)
too repetitive
Anonymous No.717501158
>>717499702 (OP)
nigga has been doing this for TWO YEARS
Anonymous No.717501164
>>717499702 (OP)
makoto
futaba
everything after the madarame palace
Anonymous No.717501223 >>717507446
>>717499702 (OP)
I hate the tired ass trope of plucky group of teenagers rebelling against the mean stinky adults who don’t understand them and save the world all by themselves.
Every developer who worked on Persona hates themselves and wish they were kids again, but they need to stop forcing their misery on everyone else.
Anonymous No.717501231
Makoto
Anonymous No.717501334 >>717501441 >>717501651 >>717501942
>>717499702 (OP)
How it goes from local hs teacher to mega billionaire that rules Japan. I think all games kind of suffer this trope. I wish more games were grounded in the scope of the villain.
Anonymous No.717501441
>>717501334
persona in particular would probably benefit from it, considering how shit atlus's writers are with dealing with scope.

then again, they're shit at doing smaller, personal stories as in social links too. maybe they're just bad writers in general over there
Anonymous No.717501443 >>717508397
Haru joins so late that she's barely used, and then Sumire joins even later than that.
Anonymous No.717501527
>>717499702 (OP)
Bloated cast. Haru was a mistake.
Anonymous No.717501651 >>717501892
>>717501334
The whole point of every Persona game is going from beating up a small time villain to murdering God himself. Persona 6 will be the same
Anonymous No.717501892
>>717501651
yes, but will the heroes this time being teenagers again? Because I fucking hope not.
Anonymous No.717501942
>>717501334
By JRPG standards, Persona's villain progression is actually really tame.
Until the final boss where you're fighting some god, but otherwise it's not that bad.
Anonymous No.717501967
>>717499702 (OP)
Can't romance the loli twins
Anonymous No.717501991 >>717502079
>>717499702 (OP)
no gacha
Anonymous No.717502003 >>717502559
>>717499702 (OP)
Dragged out ending that lost its own message for the sake of pointless gnostic symbolism.
The entire story worked perfectly when the Treasure of humanity was the Holy Grail, and Sloth was the supreme sin of man.
Having the Holy Grail unfold into Yaldabaoth is nonsense. Man did not make the Demiurge. Man does not long for the Demiurge. The Demiurge making a world of bone towers and blood rain does not gratify the great hunger for Sloth. "And here's Satan with the fucking six shooter" just muddles the message. Why is there a seven sins bullet when we are trying to combat the avatara of Sloth Itself? Sin is not our friend. God is not our enemy.
The Holy Grail was the perfect symbolism. It is the concept of an easy solution, of a miracle, of letting someone else solve all your problems. Yaldabaoth does not fit this mold. It's ugly how far they went to hammer in the idea of "rebellion means LUCIFER" imagery at the last moment. Inelegant. Disgraceful.
All in all Persona 5 went on for about 20 hours too long. The last delve into Mementos to face the Holy Grail should've been the way the story wrapped up, just add a bit more flair to it and cut the final sequence completely.
Anonymous No.717502079
>>717501991
P5X
Don't play it, it sucks.
Anonymous No.717502257
>>717500816
>I can't imagine giving a single shit
Kamoshida was setup extremely and had good stakes. Pretty much every target after his palace lacks that much urgency and mellows out
Anonymous No.717502350
>>717499702 (OP)
The dungeons, I keep going trough the loop of wanting to replay p5 and then remembering the boring as fuck endless same enemy over and over corridor runs and the metro that take all the life out of the game.
Anonymous No.717502498
>>717499702 (OP)
Almost all the adult women you can date don’t have even one third of the romance content that the others do.
Anonymous No.717502551
>>717499702 (OP)
Everything.
Anonymous No.717502559 >>717503318
>>717502003
Wasn't Yaldabaoth's whole deal that he was just claiming to know what humanity wanted, but he was just like all those other SHITTY ADULTS and just wanted to abuse the power for his own gain? Like he was just pretending to be the Holy Grail, but he just wanted humanity to kneel to him since they're all retards that want to be told what to do instead of rebelling.
P4 and P3 did the same thing with their final bosses.
>Izanami hears that humanity wants to live in a fog of lies instead of seeing the truth, so obviously the solution is to douse this random town in death fog that turns everyone into shadows
>Nyx hears about humanities desire for death so obviously the answer is to kill everybody now
Anonymous No.717503075 >>717505631
>>717499702 (OP)
Can't make Makoto sit on my face
Anonymous No.717503318
>>717502559
He wasn't "pretending" to be anything, he was the Holy Grail and humanity's Treasure. Otherwise Mementos wouldn't have vanished after his dissolution.
Though it does raise a weird notion in that you can resolve a distortion just by flatly destroying a Treasure instead of stealing it. Kind of makes the Phantom Thieves gimmick a little unnecessary. May as well be Phantom Saboteurs and bring some cognitive C4.
Anonymous No.717503798 >>717503903
>>717499702 (OP)
It's not 4
Anonymous No.717503903 >>717503963 >>717506283
>>717503798
4 is the shittiest one.
Anonymous No.717503961 >>717504961 >>717505214 >>717505290 >>717505435
>>717499764
Why do people vote for the MC? He's just a selfinsert.
Anonymous No.717503963
>>717503903
4 is pretty shitty but it looks really good compared to 5
Anonymous No.717504852
too easy to become overlevelled
Anonymous No.717504961
>>717503961
Most Purse owners are narcists
Anonymous No.717505214 >>717507573 >>717507684
>>717503961
Japs always vote for the MC because he's "literally me".
But also the anime did make Ren a more enjoyable character, same happened with Yu where they just had the MC pick all the stupid joke dialogue choices for the game and built their personalities around that.
Anonymous No.717505290
>>717503961
Weebs are egotistical narcissists.
>"I *am* the coolest! My harem *is* deserved!"
Anonymous No.717505427
The script is so bloated and filled with exposition that it would make Kojima blush.
Anyone who got actual enjoyment out of 5 probably just skipped all the dialog.
Anonymous No.717505435
>>717503961
He's still a pretty cool self insert.
Anonymous No.717505631
>>717503075
You'd never survive...
Anonymous No.717505679 >>717506224
>>717499702 (OP)
>first few hours done
>game finally gives some degree of freedom
>borrow a book
>game goes back to railroading your activities
>book already few days due
>"hey joker lets go sleep early today!"
>uninstall
Anonymous No.717505972 >>717506079
Metaphor no diffs
Anonymous No.717506079
>>717505972
Faggot
Anonymous No.717506224
>>717505679
>book already few days due
There's no due dates on borrowed books.
Anonymous No.717506283
>>717503903
you mean 3
Anonymous No.717506316 >>717506443 >>717507047
>>717499702 (OP)
>peaks at the first dungeon
>characters get progressively worse, the gang's treatment of ryuji was so awful
>sci-fi castle
>battle ends so fast before last surprise hits hard
>dogshit story
>motherfucking pancakes
Anonymous No.717506443
>>717506316
The plan to trap Akechi made no sense.
Anonymous No.717506781
>>717499702 (OP)
ryuji too loud
makoto too dumb
haru shoehorned in
Anonymous No.717507047 >>717507771
>>717506316
>peaks at the first dungeon
Anybody who says this is just regurgitating shit that they heard online and hasn't actually beaten the game or hasn't even played P5.
Yes, Kamoshida is one of the more engaging villains in the game.
Fuck no, the game does not peak in the first castle, the thing is pracitcally just one big tutorial level that's easy as piss and has no interesting puzzles or boss fights.
Anonymous No.717507249 >>717507661
>>717499702 (OP)
you can't fuck akechi
Anonymous No.717507446 >>717508879
>>717501223
it's aimed at teenagers
Anonymous No.717507573
>>717505214
Literally every single person who plays purse owner picks the joke choices when it's not one that matters
Anonymous No.717507661
>>717507249
trvke
Anonymous No.717507684
>>717505214
how did the p5 anime make joker better? it didn't do anything fun or interesting with him imo.
Anonymous No.717507690
>>717499702 (OP)
story never hits the highs of either 3 or 4
half the party receives little character development
you can't date akechi
Anonymous No.717507771 >>717508019 >>717508591
>>717507047
They mean narratively, ya git. None of the other palace rulers have anywhere near the personal relationship we got with Kamoshida, we don't get anything close to the same catharsis of purging them of their villainy because they're just random assorted scumbags to us. Shido comes the closest, being related to the protagonist's initial troubles and the ultimate culprit in the goings on of Shibuya, but even he is a rather shallow cackling madman.
Anonymous No.717508019
>>717507771
NTA but Sae is by far the best palace both mechanically and from a story perspective.
Anonymous No.717508051 >>717508793
Gameplay is still shit
Story sucks except Maruki and Kamoshida
Every non-companion SL has the same fucking reused "twist"
Massive OST but you listen to the same 3-4 songs
Makoto's entire SL
Twins turn into 1 girl
Anonymous No.717508143
you can't keep akechi as your navigator
Anonymous No.717508157
>>717499702 (OP)
It's an 80 hour visual novel with a 20 hour RPG lazily stappled on too.
Anonymous No.717508283 >>717508405
>>717499764
It's quite telling that the fans of this "game" put the "characters" with the least personality on top.
Anonymous No.717508397
>>717501443
Haru gets some much needed focus on Strikers.
Anonymous No.717508405 >>717508526
>>717508283
but haru always ranks low?
Anonymous No.717508474
>>717499702 (OP)
its unironically not long enough
Anonymous No.717508526
>>717508405
And Litterally Me and Brown Class President rank the highest, what's your point?
Anonymous No.717508527
>>717499702 (OP)
We all know the story falls off after Kamoshida, its too easy and some characters are severely underdeveloped but we can all agree the biggest flaw is that Tae isn't real and I can't marry her
Anonymous No.717508551
sumire only joins for 1 palace.
bm akechi only joins for 1 palace.
if atlus wasn't so lazy and was willing to get new animated cutscenes for them, we could've gotten them for shido's palace, which is what we should've gotten at the very least.
Anonymous No.717508591 >>717508938
>>717507771
Even in vanilla P5 I'd say that Futaba and Sae has way more interesting stories going on than what happened with Kamoshida. Like you said, I think people get extra attached to that story because he's one of the villains that's personally being a dick to Joker. But just looking at the story as a whole I don't think it does anything that great narratively, the other palaces that I mentioned tell way better stories imo and they have more interesting puzzles/set pieces going on.
Plus Futaba's palace has the best theme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjnuRcc_RBo&list=RDEjnuRcc_RBo&start_radio=1

Maruki's palace btfos all the previous palaces though, both narratively and in gameplay.
Anonymous No.717508647
>>717499702 (OP)
It inspired some asshole to keep making β€œname a flaw” threads about it.
Anonymous No.717508662
>>717499702 (OP)
no pegging scene
Anonymous No.717508793
>>717508051
Maruki sucks dick. The entire game has a perfect thematic arc until Maruki ruins everything to retread a bunch of plot threads that were already resolved. Also his boss fight sucks dick and his ending is worse.
Anonymous No.717508815
>The best Palace is the first one with Kamoshida and it never gets better.
>The other villains barely get any screentime except for Maruki who was added in Royal
>They added new elements with Psy and Nuke but all they really do is require you to have two more Persona types on Joker to exploit weaknesses
>Royal benefits greatly from Maruki's inclusion to the point where I think Yaldaboath or whatever his name is could've been straight up removed and the game would be improved, so sick of Zeromus-style reveals in JRPGs.
>Party members either fizzle into the background real fast (Ryuji, Ann, Haru) or take up all the screentime (Makoto). Yusuke and Futaba are cool.
>English dub on replay is very poorly done, many weird translations (also the English actors are good but given really bad direction, P5 Strikers surprisingly fixed a lot of this)
>That Morgana running away section still fucking sucks

There were several problems fixed with Royal but Royal also makes the game way too fucking easy like P4G. I still like all the Persona games but there's a version of each that's just way better.
Anonymous No.717508879
>>717507446
1. it’s made by self hating devs who miss their youth because japanese work culture is that awful
2. all the teenagers that played this game are now adults
3. all the teenagers now only give a shit about roblox and gacha slop and FOTM hero shooters, even Fortnite is being left in the dust
Anonymous No.717508938
>>717508591
nta but i always disagreed with kanoshida's palace being the best. is suffers too much from the being the tutorial dungeon.
he is a good villain but that's all it has going for it.
the casino is the best dungeon both gameplay wise and narratively. it also ties into the game's own themes the most with life pretty much being a rigged casino as well with how easy it is to get fucked over. plus it ties into the rigged bet between igor and yaldy.
the exposition dump after the casino can eat a dick though.
Anonymous No.717509040
You can't be more than bros with Ryuji
Anonymous No.717511091
Persona 6 when