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Anonymous No.717500253 >>717500430 >>717500661 >>717501285 >>717509856 >>717512040 >>717518825 >>717523073 >>717523248 >>717523886
Umineko
I want your honest thoughts on the man known as Ushiromiya Kinzo.
Anonymous No.717500430 >>717501161 >>717523073 >>717524097
>>717500253 (OP)
He raped and impregnated his daughter, even if he felt remorseful about it and felt bad about finding her attractive he could have still just not. He also kept her trapped in a world of his own creation where she could never leave or learn what was outside.
Basically he is scum who deserves to suffer far more than he does.
Anonymous No.717500505 >>717523248
I wouldn't put it past grandfather
Anonymous No.717500661
>>717500253 (OP)
I thought he was pretty cool
Anonymous No.717501161 >>717503127 >>717509510 >>717509972 >>717510012
>>717500430
People who condemn Kinzo but forgive Beatrice are fucking hypocrites though.
Anonymous No.717501227
Too based for this world
Anonymous No.717501285
>>717500253 (OP)
Reprehensible human being, incredible meme
Anonymous No.717503127 >>717503416
>>717501161
Beatrice didn't rape anyone tho
Anonymous No.717503416 >>717505503
>>717503127
She raped Battler for 1000 years (but he enjoyed it deep down.)
Anonymous No.717505503 >>717506812 >>717518969
>>717503416
That versions of Beatrice and Battler literally are not real.
Anonymous No.717506812
>>717505503
I was memeing. Beatrice's killings are unforgivable though.
Anonymous No.717507078 >>717523248
Pitiful, weak japanese man who couldn't tank italian pussy and lost his mind, many such cases
Tangentially this is why all japanese women belong to italian BVLLS, he's a superlative meme though
Anonymous No.717509510 >>717509815
>>717501161
What if I understand and condemn both of them?
Anonymous No.717509725
Very problematic to westerners
Anonymous No.717509815 >>717510190
>>717509510
Then I respect you.
Anonymous No.717509856
>>717500253 (OP)
That nigga crazy.
Anonymous No.717509972 >>717510398
>>717501161
>forgive Beatrice
For what? She didn't kill anyone.
Anonymous No.717510012
>>717501161
Beatrice is a catalyst and is certainly responsible but her causing it by granting the means to do it once puts her on a level of less responsibility than Kinzo's direct and repeated horrible actions.
Anonymous No.717510190
>>717509815
Thanks. It's truly difficult to understand Kinzo but I truly felt pity for his circumstances and severe loss of sanity.
Anonymous No.717510323 >>717510390
YAMI WO KIRISAKU
Anonymous No.717510390
>>717510323
UOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH DESIRE
Anonymous No.717510398
>>717509972
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Anonymous No.717512040
>>717500253 (OP)
Too based to live
Anonymous No.717512725 >>717512927
By the amount of dicks OP has sucked, we can conclude that OP is a faggot. This level of reasoning is possible for Furudo Erika. What do you think, everyone?
Anonymous No.717512927 >>717523979
>>717512725
That's some weak logic. The amount of dicks you've sucked is probably related to your sexual orientation, but not always. I posit that OP just does it for the money.
Anonymous No.717513374 >>717514096 >>717514807 >>717515575 >>717516216 >>717519306 >>717521081 >>717523576
Battler fucked his aunt?
Anonymous No.717514096
>>717513374
No, he fucked his uncle
Anonymous No.717514340
He did nothing wrong
Anonymous No.717514807
>>717513374
No but he should've
Anonymous No.717515575
>>717513374
Everyone fucked his aunt
Anonymous No.717516216 >>717523576
>>717513374
Wouldn't you?
Anonymous No.717517676 >>717517917 >>717517939 >>717518234 >>717518286 >>717521573 >>717522828 >>717523426 >>717524425
this is gonna make me sound like a huge faggot but i actually dropped umineko after ep 7. the whole reveal about the teen rape was pretty awful, but then all the characters going "ah yes beatrice's soul is surely at peace now" when she got absolutely no justice at all narratively pissed me off to the point that i didn't want to keep reading. a little girl who lived her whole life abused by her own father and died so young not long after giving birth. if you're gonna write something that dark at least have the balls to delve into how awful the reality of that is and have the characters actually acknowledge and atone for it instead of glossing over it.
Anonymous No.717517917 >>717524314 >>717524816
>>717517676
It didn't get gloss over at all.
Anonymous No.717517939
>>717517676
I think it's a valid criticism. Gen 2 Beatrice doesn't get much screentime.
Anonymous No.717518234
>>717517676
I love Umineko, but ep8 does not need to exist.
Anonymous No.717518286 >>717518530
>>717517676
I don't like episode 7, I think its the only bad episode of Umineko. You should really give 8 a chance though. I know I'm in the minority here, but I like 8, even if like the rest of Umineko and Higurashi the pacing is dreadful.
Anonymous No.717518407 >>717518593
I never cared for Battler's sister. Her arc was boring beyond belief.
Anonymous No.717518530 >>717518637 >>717518675 >>717519194
>>717518286
Episode 8 fucking sucked. It was R07 jerking off on his own face and then calling you a goat if you didn't like it
Anonymous No.717518593
>>717518407
Ange's story was ok in ep4, but it should have ended with that. Nothing more really needed to be said about her.
Anonymous No.717518637
>>717518530
What's wrong with that?
Anonymous No.717518647
Umineko is too long
Anonymous No.717518675
>>717518530
Still better then Matsuribayashi
Anonymous No.717518825 >>717518942 >>717519002
>>717500253 (OP)
Do you think he would rape Lion even if Lion were a boy?
Anonymous No.717518942
>>717518825
Yes
Anonymous No.717518969
>>717505503
>literally are not real.
Imagine having no love
Anonymous No.717519002
>>717518825
Knowing how fucking smart Genji is, Genji would tell Lion to dress up like a girl to make Kinzo feel better during one of his insane ravings and get Lion raped.
Anonymous No.717519054 >>717520885 >>717521478
what's the best translation?
Witch hunt or mangagamer?
Anonymous No.717519194 >>717519601
>>717518530
based desu
EP8 of Umineko and Higurashi are the peak of their respective series
We like fun here
Anonymous No.717519306 >>717521619 >>717523576
>>717513374
Yes
Anonymous No.717519601 >>717520042
>>717519194
Miotsukushi (PS2) is better then Matsuribayashi.
Anonymous No.717520042 >>717520389 >>717520463
>>717519601
It really isn't.
I appreciate it for some aspects like Shion confronting Irie directly or Keiichi resolving Rena's problems by himself, but holy fuck it jumps the shark near the end.
The moment Keiichi starts magically dodging bullets is when it went downhill, and Hanyuu dying stupidly is fucking ass.
Anonymous No.717520389 >>717520463 >>717521117
>>717520042
>spoiler
Hanyuu literally stops a bullet in Matsuribayashi. Is it that much of a stretch for her to grant that power to others?
Anonymous No.717520426 >>717520541 >>717520694
I thought the whole trans things in the story was weird ngl
Anonymous No.717520463
>>717520042
>>717520389
I'm going to samefag to say that cutting Takano's backstory in favor of resolving all of the club members individual issues makes it better by default.
Anonymous No.717520541
>>717520426
One interpretation of one line of dialog in a 400 hour VN. You all are obsessed with trannies.
Anonymous No.717520694
>>717520426
Sayu's a woman who is no longer able to give birth or have sex as a result of damage to her sexual organs. That has nothing to do with trannies.
Anonymous No.717520885 >>717520921
>>717519054
Witch Hunt
Anonymous No.717520921 >>717521001 >>717521117 >>717521426
>>717520885
holy shit youre dumb
Anonymous No.717521001
>>717520921
You don't know Japanese.
Anonymous No.717521081
>>717513374
just one?
Anonymous No.717521117 >>717521319
>>717520389
There's a difference between stopping ONE bullet and the meaningfulness behind that scene over turning the whole encounter with Takano into a fucking circus.
Trap Mountain was fun and good in the original, but dodging bullets Jojo style just took me out completely.
The Miotsukushi changes to fit the story differently are also just awkward all around, Takano offing Rina and Satoko's uncle, the dynamics playing out differently during the escape, all feels flat.
And again, Hanyuu dying was retarded.

The premise of Rika actually remembering Takano and having to save herself without Hanyuu's help and teaming with Keiichi instead was great, but it all falls apart, simple as.

>>717520921
Negro, Witch Hunt's translation is the only one around. Mangagamer picked theirs up and changed a few lines themselves, but the script is 99% Witch Hunt either way. I'd go with Witch Hunt's og script regardless since the translation is excellent, and Mangagamer's few line differences seemed unnecessary.
Anonymous No.717521319
>>717521117
I'll acquiesce because you aren't wrong about
>spoiler
It was really fucking stupid. I prefer Miotsukushi, but I really hate Takano and having to sit through her sad backstory makes me biased against Matsuribayashi.
Anonymous No.717521380
As far as I can see there are three forks of the same base script.
Anonymous No.717521426
>>717520921
The translation is great. You are a fucktarded troglodyte.
Anonymous No.717521478
>>717519054
They're both by the same (french) guy. Mangagamer is a revised version, nothing notable was changed.
Anonymous No.717521545
Akasaka saving Rika still one of my favorite moments in a game, but the tension was deflated afterwards when they had the group comedically dispatch all the mountain dogs after they’ve been a serious threat in everything beforehand
Anonymous No.717521573
>>717517676
yeah i agree with you, i also hated genji and nanjo by the end, the way they're so retardedly loyal to kinzo makes no sense IMO, if i found out my best friend not only raped but impregnated his daughter i'd probably bash his brains in
Anonymous No.717521619 >>717522430
>>717519306
Monster.
Anonymous No.717522310
Do you think COVID is what killed Umineko Gold Edition, the full english dub?
Anonymous No.717522365 >>717522828
fatamorgana is better
Anonymous No.717522405
Kara no Shoujo is better.
Anonymous No.717522430
>>717521619
>Marry Rosa
>get Maria daughterwife as a bonus
nice
Anonymous No.717522828 >>717523279
>>717522365
same anon as >>717517676 and i actually completely agree, i thought fatamoru had a much more mature tone to it all and handled the heavy subjects with respect, which is something i greatly appreciate in writing
Anonymous No.717523073
>>717500253 (OP)
>>717500430
In short, he gets to be living the dream - and gets away with it - while leaving a big fuck you to everyone behind as a bonus.

Damn I'm jelly.
Anonymous No.717523248
>>717500253 (OP)
>>717500505
>>717507078
How many Japanese men do you know irl actually marry westoid women let alone germans? The whole premise sounds very farfetched.
Anonymous No.717523279 >>717523946
>>717522828
people who take themselves and media too seriously should be mocked which is exactly what ryukishi did
Anonymous No.717523426 >>717523528 >>717523946
>>717517676
>WAH WAH I CAN'T STOMACH RAPE HOW DARE THEY PUT RAPE IN MY FAVORITE MEDIUM WAHHHHHHHH I CAN'T READ THIS NOWWWWWW WAHHHHHHHH
zoomoids are mistake of humanity.
Anonymous No.717523528
>>717523426
That's not what they said at all. They said they wanted graphic depictions of the rape, actually.
Anonymous No.717523576 >>717523994
>>717519306
>>717516216
>>717513374
Anonymous No.717523886
>>717500253 (OP)
Guy got fucked over by his shitty family, got on his grind and with a miracle and a bit of murder he became the master of his own destiny. Except his shitty family made him shitty so now he's just a really powerful guy who sucks instead of a victim who won over his abusers. That's the Ryukishi special I suppose, every character gets an unbelievably raw deal and the "good guys" are the ones who don't turn into monsters because of it.
Anonymous No.717523946 >>717524141
>>717523279
oh no, i don't take myself seriously at all. but i DO care about the quality of media i read and watch.
>>717523426
you misunderstand. rape as a fetish is hot but i'm a weirdo who is also very interested in the psychological aspect of it and it was frankly very annoying to be told "dude umineko is so good trust" and then find out that the most engaging yet horrible aspect of the story felt completely handwaved. plus i am actually a 30+ boomer, believe it or not.
Anonymous No.717523979 >>717524142 >>717526197
>>717512927
It is impossible for OP to not be a faggot. Did I forget to mention this? I stole the wallets of all the men OP could have sucked off beforehand. No one would be able to pay him for a blowjob.
Anonymous No.717523994
>>717523576
Rosa this is why you're a single mom. Fucking slut.
Anonymous No.717524097
>>717500430
But without love it cannot be seen, or something
Anonymous No.717524141 >>717525981
>>717523946
i don't know, murdering 18 people is kinda worse than rape but that's just my opinion
Anonymous No.717524142 >>717524234
>>717523979
This is what we call intellectual rape.
Anonymous No.717524234
>>717524142
It's not rape if I enjoy it.
Anonymous No.717524314
>>717517917
Yes it did? No one gives a shit that it happened and the brutality of it gets played dowm
Anonymous No.717524425
>>717517676
I really thought Wyll was being a psycho on purpose to placate each and every member of the family for their testimonies. And then after he'd lay into what a fucking horrid wretch Kinzo was when he had everything together. Then he just didn't. I respect letting the reader think about it instead, but not one character being a reader stand-in to openly hate kinzo is pretty disatisfying. I get it. It's not something that needa to be explained how horrible it is, so I didn't mind it as much.
Anonymous No.717524816
>>717517917
Kumasawa gave a stern look to Kinzo when alluding to the rape, and Genji said they had committed a sin but kept his mouth shut for more than fifteen or twenty years.
Anonymous No.717525981
>>717524141
well, yeah. but also the murders were all very graphic and talked about in detail, and the characters grieving their loved ones felt very organic and enjoyable to read. the murders are front and center in the writing. the rape? handwaved, but that is also my opinion.
Anonymous No.717526197
>>717523979
T-that can't be right! Then, there must be some other explanation. What if OP is taking semen as payment instead? He was probably outside a sperm bank!